“Down With China & The DPJ” Protest Videos Surface

Yeah I think it's something like that. The people from both countries are making a fuss, but the Chinese and Japanese oldmen are selling goods to each other and laughing at all this mess.

"online political campaigning effectively banned by a series of election campaign regulations slanted in favour of traditional media"

Coming to America.

So the Chinese media is less censored when it comes this than the Japanese media, and while both are trying to stop this to prevent a loss of possible profits the Japanese "old men" with an interest are succeeding in maintaining the status que.

It is not weird that Japan and China are censoring the media because demonstrations on both sides stress the need to take up arms and settle the territorial dispute once and for all.

Now the main question is why should nations go to war over a boat collision especially when no one knows who is at fault yet?

>especially when no one knows who is at fault yet?
You haven't been paying attention.

You haven't been paying attention. Japan claims that the arrests are justified because Senkaku Islands are part of their territory and that they have proof to show that the Chinese rammed their coast guard.

However, China, Taiwan, and Japan have disputed over the ownership of the territory for years without any resolution nor progress and Japan is withholding the evidence that can prove their innocence or guilt in the arrest.

Both sides are just enraged that one of their people was abducted under bizarre circumstances and are out for revenge.

I'm sure they're withholding it only from the public. The Chinese must have seen it first.

Assuming the Chinese have seen the evidence and found themselves at fault, why did they only release three hostages? What is the significance in keeping the last one to this point? Why would they keep the controversy in the spotlight when loss is inevitable?

On the other hand, if the Chinese have seen the evidence and found themselves innocent, what makes you think they will conceal such savory propaganda material for long?

@anonymous 9:15
The answer to that question is easy. The Chinese government is using that method to force the Japanese government to continue withholding the evidence from public view, so they're keeping that hostage as insurance until they have a binding contract to hide that tape forever.

Furthermore, they released the three other hostages in order to show some form of "good faith" in order to appease the negative publicity. If you've paid attention to the Western media outlets, they've made it sound like the negotiations between the two countries have begun to progress during the release. In fact it's just another ploy to control public relations for China.

Uh you need alot of empty space in your head to believe fishing boats growing a big enough balls to ram into coastal guard ships.

Do you seriously think the japanese are afraid of their citizen getting killed by the chinese if they release their so called "truth"(that is assuming the fishing boat actually ram into patrol)

Wake the fuk up, killing japanese citizen when the evidence is clearly againest you is the dumbest thing a government can do and china is not THAT stupid. The so called "truth" isn't released because its not there in the first place.

Disgusting chinese potato pigs, should have eradicated them all during WWII.

they should both just fricking grow up

and @20.28

china was with the allies you retard

once.. again.. this is all america's fault in the first place!!!

we all saw what good the philipino police are...

Spratly Islands? It is a whole of mess claimed by so many countries.

Filipino police, best in Asia.

In fairness majority believe the guy became the government's unwilling scapegoat of sorts for something.... what a way to force a retire.

Great idea.

Organisations doing something similar were always called terrorists, which is quite wrong. If the general populace has to resort to violence usually the elite are the real terrorists.

you are right but they are called anarchists and they can be just as bad you may call it cencorship but i think they are doing the proper thing , if not controled this could turn into a war when it still can be settled with words

They must be mainland Chinese. Many people who produce the shoddy goods China makes do high style living. In an interview with one of them on TV, his house had gold furniture, chandeliers, too many tables, impractical ornaments and useless chairs, like the stuff you see in a palace.

Many people don't like them. They're swimming in money while majority of the population live 150 USD per month or less wages.

It's not propaganda. I was born and educated in Hong Kong and the UK, not subjected to any propaganda. I love Japanese culture but I feel chilled spine whenever I read the history around 1900 - 1950. Propaganda is defined to be forced imprint or assimilation of exaggerated or inaccurate information into the populace. I can tell you the hate directed to Japanese was not inaccurate, it was based on historic facts.
You get people in Japan saying things like Nanjing Massacre did not exist and was fabrication, it's dire insult to the people who died and suffered and it's hard to not get worked up.

Regarding the islands, the pathetic Qing government was partly to blame. Qing was not even ruled by ethnic Han Chinese, but Manchurians.

Anyway, after losing the First Sino-Japanese War, Qing China signed the Treaty of Shimonoseki on 17 April 1895, in which the treaty ceded Taiwan and its surrounding islands to Japan. The war was far from 'fair'. The cause of the war, involving Korea, was full of coup d'état. China acted according to Convention of Tientsin, to send troops to Korea after requested by the emperor of Korea, and notified Japan in accordance to the Convention. But Japan didn't play fair, condemned the legal act, and send troops to Korea, sparkling the war. If it wasn't for this unfair war, this Diaoyu island problem wouldn't have existed.

Yes, it's theoretically Japanese territory, but the Japan acquired it in questionable treaties. Aftermath of the second world war should have seen these territories returned to China, but the islands in question were not written down concretely.

So what about Okinawa, and the rape claims following American occupation, I guess all those women were lying?

chineses rape themselves for hundreds of years in the past, you don't see them killing off each other.

@Kamiru They very well did kill off each other in the past. Sometimes entire states would be ravaged to the ground.

@Dummy00001 It's no propaganda. The mainlanders really hate Japan. From what I've seen though (which is limited actually haha), I've found that its more of a general "dislike" for Japanese people, except during times like these where the media can spur the populace into an anti-Japanese frenzy.

There is no selective history lessons in China. What we learn is part of Chinese history spanning 4000 years in the textbooks. The time spent on learning about Nanjing Masacree is the same as the amount we spend on learning about Battle of Red Cliff in 3 kingdoms era. There is no prejudice.

In fact, if you look at Japanese textbooks, there are few mention of war crimes committed, in fact you see victories after victories. Now how's that not brainwashing.

And what do they Chinese schools teach students about Tiananmen Square? Think they mention the massacre in their textbooks?

All governments white wash and hide things from their citizens to some extent.

The current Japanese government is trying to reform some of this, but China just made it even harder to show any openness to China with their recent actions.

Change doesn't happen overnight, but those who cannot let go of the hatred of the past are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.

Yes, the Japanese have done some horrible things in the past.

But so have the Chinese, the Americans, etc... etc...

in that case, indonesia still wins. In 1965, a coup d'etat massacred millions (yes, millions) of the biggest political party followers, mostly farmers. My dad lived thru that period, and he said bodies littered the street and fields, and gutters ran red with blood.
And by the way, for 40 years since, all school children were forced to watch movie about that 'incident', making it seem like the people being slain were little more than godless devils.
Beat THAT if you can.

See that skull field on Cambodia ? Who ever did that is already brand Criminal of War and Human extermination. But from whom had Pon Pot learn from ? Obviously from Maoist Communist ! I had my relatives whom were captured and they never returned. Until now their remains are still unknown.

Proud Nation, born from Mao should not be trusted.

You can't even spell Pol Pot correctly.... To blame Mao for what Pol Pot did is just like to blame a swimming trunk for making a person drown.

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that does not only apply to china, but almost everywhere on earth

Chinese people believe in 18 levels of hell, 9th isn't so bad.