Thousands Protests Against China in Shibuya

you're not the only bro

*only one

So, 2012 is the end of the world right?
That's a start.

This is the beginning of the end.

No, it's just the end to the beginning.

no, beginning of beginning.

No! It's the end of beginning end.

If europe and the us have its shield up and running then they will gun for a nuclear war, since they have nothing to fear.

And so the west will dominate the world once more.. or more like secure its domination. its not like china or india ever had a lot to say.

Dude! It's because China's going to be selling the US the parts to make those Star Wars satellites!

yet u can't trust products made from China

This is NOT the way the world ends, it should be a whimper, not with a bang

Nuke Chinese Government

Let World War 3 Begin People SO whos the Japanese Hitler?

You are all idiots, aren't you. Just let the Chinese scream and run around and mess with other countries like third-rate delinquents, soon enough the economic boom will die off and the Chinese society will collapse due to its own impossibility.

You shouldn't be calling people idiots because if Chinese society collapses any time soon, it will take down most of Asia, North America, some parts of Europe along with it.

you dont seem to realize it but thats what is going to hapen as soon as we run out of gas

You do not seem to realize that gas is not the only energy source in this whole world.

Anyways, even if we run out of gas it will affect more than just those places.

ur al saying lets fk up the chinese gov or whut ever and lets kill all the chinese well as soon as armys atack and there in Chinese territory the gov is gonna fkin nuke the armys they dont give a shit about there own ppl :P

So you're in FAVOR of Genocide?

Japan has enough Racism already.
And too many Japanese Holocost deniers.

Toshio Tamogami promoting nuclear armament? Someone learned the wrong lesson from WW2.

Japan? Nukes? Now?

With Japan's size, China can strike first if it thinks it's threatened. Maybe 4 nuclear IRBMs and Japan as a sovereign country will collapse.

BUT the US will have a reason to feel threatened, and war breaks out between the two. Then Russia barges in to settle old scores, and the whole world goes to hell.

It is a dangerous time for Japan to acquire nukes now. If they still wanna go ahead, they can keep it a secret, and they better pray to their Shinto God that they won't get caught.

But you'll never know them intelligence agencies. Them Asians all look alike anyway.

There is only one thing you need to learn from any war/fight. If your enemy has a stick, you find a bigger stick.

And then, once you've acquired this bigger stick, the enemy pulls out a gun and shoots you.

If I recall correctly, Japan has enough nuclear material (mostly for medical and research use) that can be refined into weapons grade within a 2 week time span.

I say, let China use military aggression on this matter. First to resort to violence is always the idiot.

That will prove their arrogance and attitude they have to their own neighbors.

It'll be social suicide among the international community.

@Domo-Kun Genocide is the last thing anyone should want. Talk to rebellion aka General Jack D. Ripper, he seems to be a fan of genocide.

Fact is the japanese politicians failed spectacularly - and this tends to bring extremist forces to power. That guy doesn't have to win the votes, I doubt he would. Just 10% will get the higher ups thinking, though. 20% will get them thinking really hard.

except japan government is not retarded enough to get nukes, if they ever chose to do so both china and usa would jump right in and invade in order to eliminate WMDs.
Anyone dumb enough to think US is gonna let japan run around with nukes shouldn't be talking.

Unless they have a VERY effective counter-measure against nukes they won't gamble into a war which could decimate or destabilize the region and maybe even the entire world.

In the 1st place,the reasons why the US "made" Japan into it's ally is to have a close foothold in Asia to keep an eye on the communist states and basically to keep it in check because they're afraid of another aggression-oriented Japan becoming their enemy again in future wars.Japan may have lost WWII but it gave the Allies a SEVERE beating during that period and any person who REALLY knows history can't deny that...

"It is well that war is so terrible - lest we should grow too fond of it."

I really enjoy all the comments from the people who have never done military service calling out for countries to threaten each other with nukes.

"The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything except our ways of thinking."

Wars are now not without consequence, the world is interconnected as a whole, if China ever goes to war, the every single person who lives in a country that uses goods that are made from China is going to feel its effects.

while it might seem like a great way to vent our anger at other issues or even take the public attention away from them, you have to remember that NOTHING GOOD comes from war. The war on Afghanistan and Iraq are ample proof.

Well, only idiots do the military service. Intelligent people send the idiots to war. Thats a thing that never changed troughout history.

>>You have to remember that NOTHING GOOD comes from war.

Internet is a shit for you?
(Did you understand? Internet,or consept of it, has born in the war.)

You guys do understand that as a first-world nation with higher GDPpc and quality of life than China, Japan will look like the bad guy if they have nukes. It will be another point for Chinese to act aggressive about. You all conveniently forget the shit going down with Iran wanting nukes?

Not to mention what North Korea might do if Japan had nukes.

Take a step back from the screen and sniffing Japanese schoolgirl panties and look at the shit you guys are writing.

Take a moment and realize how stupid nukes will be for Japan. Japan has the whole fucking US Pacific fleet backing it in addition to their own JSDF. If they did get nukes it would weaken their position on the international stage as a first-world and developed nation because they lose the moral higher ground on armament.

You guys conveniently forget all the shit Iran is getting for wanting nukes?

Also don't forget North Korea, that country with the fourth largest army in the world. With a nutcase leading that country, what do you think they would do if they felt that their sworn enemy could wipe them out with a few nuclear missiles?

@Aug
So what japan should do?

DARPA started the basic ground works for the internet in order to backup RESEARCH AND DATA and avoid redundancy in data storage, so... it wasn't really born from war, it was a reaction to war.

And whoever says "only stupid people are sent to war" is obviously an American faggot who is going to run off to Canada the second a new draft comes around.

Straight to the point, Artefact.

Artefact is right, unfortunately. If you're in for a humorous take on the subject, watch the YPM episode about the Salami-tactics.
As for those people above this post who suggest Japan should get some kind of shield tech, know that anti-ICBM shield is at the moment the holy grail of defence tech. Everyone is hoping for it, some pretend to have it already, but none of it currently works.

every1s saying japans stage in community and shit and china feeling scared and north Korea lets think for a moment just 1 small moment china =war 2 japan=usa comes in= Russia comes in nukes euro might as well watch boom boom boom no more Korea most likely no more japan Russia size reduced even more america economy falls even more china falls country near it will sweep in and take land oh and note most products made in china so basically everys gonna go poor with out chinas large amount of work forceand the 1st 2 fire a missle aint gonna be china its gonna be russia old war hatred never goes away >> and remeber japan became really strong when it revolutionized it fkin beat russia and china it even had the courage and sum might call stupidity 2 fk up the usa navy give it a reason 2 fight and those gudams and evo they builtfor show r gonan start walking and carrying missiles and guns

Do you guys really thing the "international" community will step in to prevent or curtail any Chinese aggression? They have alot of money in China and they wont do anything to hurt their investments, so I guess that argument is basically fucking moot
Nuclear deterrence is the lowest cost that Japan can incur to even hold on to whatever thats left of their shreds of sovereignty. Suggesting that Japan raise a comparable army out of that population of theirs is a joke.

Oh just to clarify with everyone, I am chinese and I hope to see China burn so its technically wrong to see me as a racist, and oh I am not really a nationalist either since I hate the concept of nationS(note the s).

And what exactly are you hoping for them to achieve?

They can barely get out of their rooms......

Perhaps a war is the motivation they need to leave.

we need the Air King and his 20,000 NEET's

Otakus would make unstoppable soldiers. They're obsessive, fanatical and due to extremely low self standards have absolutely no regard for personal safety or hygiene. A thick layer of grease and fat enveloping their bodies protects them from most bullets, shrapnel and the environment.

Otakus also have the perfect camouflage. They're so repulsive that no one wants to look their way.

Send the otakus to China and they'll make a Nanking out of every city there.

Otakus can make excellent suicide squadrons with bombs attached to their bellies,hypnotize lolicons into thinking that the enemy soldiers are cute lolis and you get a wave of berserkers.

The fact that you refer Nanking as if it was actually funny requires you to talk about the Jewish Holocaust in the same way.

Go on, I'm waiting for your youtube video.

@Yoshii-kun
That's the point. They can't do anything so this protest is meaningless. They're only protesting because of their stupid country pride. Sometimes people need to learn to not care so much.

No, current China is more like crossbreed of Cold War US and current Russia. Freakin's Nosey parker

hey hey hey it aint chinas fault they got there ass fked when japan went 2 war with them in WW2 so they copied and Russia there like ohhh look how good there doing in cold war lets copy them :D thats how china got here -.-and remember even though 1 chinese soldier is poorly armed and most racial ppl gonna think they skinny and nerdy there trained 2 obey orders with out thought there fed steroids 1 maybe easy buy 1million descending thats horror beyond words

doesn't makes much sense there. Starting a war makes your economy go booming. I mean, what state was germany in before 2 WW? They where a poor shit country where people barely could buy breed and water! And seconds later they where the most advanced warmachine in all the world!
The only thing what you need to get strong, japan already has. Its called technical knowledge. Everything else can be organized somehow and very fast.

Japan currently have the second BIGGEST navy in the world, surpassing the former empire on which the sun never sets, France, and Russia.

So I think Japan is fine.

not funny >.> chinas army is fkin huge remeber the article about it uping its army? only 17 percent im 100% sure it aint that little >>

Sadly, if you are not making that much money, your home economy will perish long before China does.

The other thing you have to be aware of is that
many nations took lending from Chinese banks to recover from the global recession. You bet all of that aid will have to be paid back with interest.

I regret to say that just avoiding products that are made in China is not enough to sink them.

Yes. The one that can turn its head, light up its eyes and vent exhaust and nothing else.

That's why I hope them Japanese politicians would put aside their personal interests for a while(some of them must have some business deal related with China) and work a peaceful way around, while looking neither too arrogant(like China, if the extremists get their way), nor too kind(they should've conducted more investigation on the captain who rammed over the Japanese boat).

They were diplomatically sound enough when they released all the crewmembers before the captain. You won't see something so generous with Israel.

I wish all world politicians would put aside their personal interests for a while. Too unlikely?

On the other hand, Anon 02:49, sadly yeah...

DAMN YOU FOR KILLING MY OPTIMISM, ANON! DAMN YOU!

Still, getting someone like that to rile up and protest like China did....

Why are you lowering your mindset to their level, Japan, WHY?

The people in Japan seem to be fed up with their government. That is a very dangerous thing. Reminds me of what happens in Germany right now.

Right now? You mean the Netherlands, right?

Germany is getting its own version of the PVV unfortunately.

"Germany is getting its own version of the PVV unfortunately."

Oh no, how terrible, Germany is protecting itself from Islamofascism, how dare she! Heaven forbid Germany protects itself from people who do everything they can not to participate in democracy and spit on it and disrespect it every turn, while demanding we respect them. How dare Germany protect itself from the biggots in the mosques who teach Muslim children to despise anything unislamic.

You do realise that Geert Wilders has Jewish ancestry don't you? Good, now don't you feel stupid for comparing his "extremism" to Nazi Germany?

Yeah, heaven forbid Germany tries to protect itself from Islamofascism. The ideology that seperate itself from all things German and despises anything unislamic, how dare they.

You do realise that Geert Wilders has Jewish ancestry and sees Israel as a second home, so equating him with Nazism is beyond retarded.

a) Actually, his kinfolk hail from Indonesia.
Not that he's willing to admit to that, what with the lousy dye job.

b) Was raised a Roman-Catholic as well, currently considers himself agnostic.

c) I didn't compare him to Nazism, I said and I quote: "Germany is getting its own version of the PVV unfortunately." Nothing more and nothing less.

d) But if you want to go that road. Look at some of his speeches, and replace the word Islam with Judaism, and Muslim with Jew.

Look familiar?

The situation in the Netherlands isn't that dissimilar to the Weimar Republic in its latter years. Barring the whole war debt issue. Splintered political landscape, unhappy populace looking for a scapegoat, and then some Nut appearing on the stage claiming to have all the answers.

e) He and his followers lay claim to freedom of speech, but woe to those who wish to say anything against them, because they'll be cussed out and vilified. The Sturm Abteilung had a knack for that too, course they also used violence, which is something that the PVV goons dare not do at this point.

(Well, barring certain party members that is. Assaulting a barkeeper, because he didn't want to pour any more alcohol. Assaulting another bar patron, due to a verbal disagreement. Posing with firearms, without having a license for said weapon.)

f) There's the small matter that they demand that certain dissident members of the CDA resign their seats, if they can't agree with the party decision to go along with this farce. Thereby ignoring that the Great Beloved Leader pulled the exact same stunt in 2004 with the VVD.

Then again, it's been my observation that most of his followers aren't that apt, when it comes to history, not even relatively close history, let alone anything going centuries back.

g) And to finish off this rebuttal.
His entire stance with regards to Islam is complete BS. The Islam how he portrays it, exists about as much as Christianity does. There is no unity, there is no common voice that decides things. It all comes down to individual preachers and how they interpret things, and to which school of thought they belong.

No different from Christianity in that sense. Catholics and Protestants also don't get along in everything, and before you say BS.
Two words for ya: Northern Ireland

And that's recent history, I'm not even going to get into the various wars fought over the Reformation, and how this effected the perception of Catholicism in most of the Western World, including the US.

Oh and if you want to start with, but the Qu'Ran preaches violence vs non-believers.
Up to a point, but that would be kafirs, meaning those who do not follow one of the Monotheistic faiths aka Judaism and Christianity.

In addition, you can counter that with Papal Infallibility and the declaration of a Crusade vs this group or that one, whether it be the Pagans in the Baltic or Serbia, the Cathars in the South of France, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Muslims and political/religious enemies of the Roman Catholic Church from the Hussite Crusade(s), to the Stedinger Crusade and the Aragonese Crusade.

Or in short, Nutcases, whether religious or not always pose a problem to society in general, and tend to drag everyone down with them into the muck.

Oh almost forgot, don't have any problem with admitting that there are indeed issues with regards to integration. But his way won't resolve them, quite the contrary, it'll enhance feelings of alienation. Making Western Muslims even more tempting targets by radicals with regards to conversion to their particular interpretation of the faith.

(Similar issues occurred with Italian immigrants and their kids in the US, which lead to the glamorization of the Maffia, but that's a tale for another time.)

Sorry he has speculated he has Jewish ancestry, but he has great admiration for Israel.

Muslims alienate themselves, its no ones fault and if thats the way they want to be then good riddance.