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A Chinese article condemning the current state of Chinese martial arts as being “extremely low level” in the wake of a major tournament has sparked a great deal of controversy, with many Japanese of course only too happy to agree with the assessment.

The article, published on a popular Chinese site, soon found its way overseas to Japan. It can be read in abridged format below:

The SportAccord Combat Games 2010 recently concluded in Beijing. Chinese competitors took 7 gold medals in fights [overall Chinese results were 10 gold, 6 bronze – the event saw 13 “martial arts” tournaments ranging from kickboxing and judo to sumo].

However, real Chinese martial arts prowess is, far from being best in the world, actually exceedingly poor. The image of invincibility Chinese martial arts have is just a myth cultivated by movies and fiction.

Take a world renowned martial artist such as Bruce Lee. He is widely believed to be a first rate combatant, but in reality he was extremely myopic and hardly competed at all. People think he’s an American national karate champion, but in fact his real level is just a Hong Kong high school amateur boxing champion.

So what’s the real ability of our athletes now? In recent Sino-Japanese competition, and in competition between China and the rest of the world, China has indeed secured many impressive victories. However, these were just the result of bouts arranged with weaker opponents, and where the rules were biased in favour of our own fighters.

The Japanese fighters, supposedly Japan’s strongest, appearing in recent tournaments had fabricated career histories.

The China-Thai kickboxing bouts were even more cynically arranged. China fielded a pro-level police competitor, but he was fighting an amateur Thai policeman. And the rules banned the Thai competitor from using his knees and elbows [Muay Thai makes extensive use of knees and elbows – Thailand won no gold medals in kickboxing].

Fortunately, a host of martial arts experts spring forth from 2ch – who would have suspected?

Because they are gymnastic exercises.

With real rules:

I get the impression kung fu has no chance at all…

What’s the point of a martial art just based on learning the forms?

Basically, Chinese martial arts are just for showing off.

Kung fu is just for show, with no real practical use. Like taekwondo.

Fist of the North Star is a Chinese martial art too!

There are aren’t any serious karateka or aikido practicioners competing. Even so, joke styles like “praying mantis kung fu” are even worse than the ones competing.

Jackie Chan’s flashy stuff is no real use. In movies they never take any real damage anyway.

Kung fu is more showy acrobatics for moral discipline. Jackie is the former.

Muay Thai is the strongest, the rest are shit.

What about Shaolin?

A friend learnt Shaolin – since it has kicks and throws he said it was, if you spent years training, better than either karate alone or judo alone.

So why not learn karate and judo?

Shaolin is the real deal – I am going to keep believing this.

The Shaolin temples were all ruined in the Cultural Revolution.

Thai:

A bout between a Tai Chi Chuan practitioner and a White Crane Fist practicioner from 50 years ago – true Chinese martial arts at their best:

It’s just an ordinary brawl!?

That’s just tacky.

So this is what happens when expert fighters do battle.

Even in Japan the practicioners make up excuses like “the real killing techniques are not things we can just lightly show to outsiders” – I bet the kung fu guys are the same.

Mao feared rebellion and turned Chinese martial arts into circus tricks. With tournaments banned for so long, its decline was inevitable.

If you’re saying martial arts with no real use are rubbish, what about useless Japanese kendo, iaijutsu and so on?

Tai Chi Chuan is just dancing.

Karate is the strongest. You can’t win with a dance like kung fu:

Kung fu is like Japanese ninja – just people who have been imaginatively turned into supermen.

Rather than calling it a martial art, we should be calling kung fu a traditional folk dance of the Chinese.

Drunken fist is a total lie though, no way can you gain strength by drinking.

I asked a Chinese exchange student about that – he was seriously annoyed and said “Are you an idiot? They are just pretending to be drunk, isn’t it obvious?”

Let’s all just keep believing all Chinese are kung fu masters, all Japanese are samurai ninja, all Americans are former marines, and all Russians subsist entirely on three meals a day of vodka.


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    Comment by TC-man
    18:29 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Has no-one mentioned that "Karate" actually means "Chinese hand / martial art from China". Even the Japanese borrow Chinese martial arts to develop their own Karate style. I am not saying Karate is weak or so, but if you say Chinese Kung Fu sucks, then you are saying the source you used to develop Karate sucks.

    As for the Drunken Fist & Praying mantis youtube videos, they are obvious Japanese guys mimicking these styles (the ones in movies not the genuine style); a big mistakes they make are making turns/roundhouse kicks and loosing your opponent's position, loosing sight of your opponent is a no go; another is constantly retreating and being afraid that your opponent's gonna hit you. In a real fight you have to be in a better position than your opponent, just like in a war, if you retreat you loose. Real Kung Fu have solid stances (basic stance: horse/bow; Wing Chun: Goat etc.). Without a good stance you will be on the floor in no time. A poor kung fu practioner made often this mistake by having a poor/weak stance. Almost every beginners of kung fu (whether it's Shoalin, Wing Chun etc.) are forgetting the basics and are just willing to learn the fancy or the socalled killer moves (i.e. skipping the basics and just learn the advance level techniques; obvious they are not ready to fight).

    And for Kung Fu you really need to go to/watch in Hong Kong where Bruce Lee/Jacky Chan comes from (especially if you want to practise Wing Chun or Hung Gar etc.). And in mainland China, many claimed (even in China) that wushu has no spirit and is only for show. Even the Shoalin Temple in mainland China is for tourists only (with their acorbatic shows). So the Japanese actually means Wushu and not Kung Fu.

    And my impression is that a large part of the Japanese people think Kung Fu is Bruce Lee style (Jet Kune Do), while it's a collective noun for all sorts of styles of Chinese Martial Arts.

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    Comment by snakechimera
    08:53 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    here's a correction for ya, Karate means Empty Hand. It was FORMERLY known as Chinese Hand

    Comment by Anonymous

    You're wrong with implication.

    Japan took your shitty style and improved on it a lot, creating Okonawa Karate. Then Oyama came, took shitty Okinawa Karate and made new,this time awesome style from basis of generally shitty Okinawa KArate.

    Then come few dudes in Europe, who took Oyama Karate,realized that it's shitty and stared improving.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    There are way too many staged and arranged "tournaments". Money buys the winner. Real martial artists, as in those that Live for the sport, would probably be all too happy to challenge some of those statements.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:47 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    MMA is the closest thing to a full-out fight that's legal and publicly available. There are no well ranked pros out there who do kung fu in MMA. Everyone uses kickboxing, jujitsu, boxing, wrestling, and sambo. Kung fu is art, but it's not a serious MARTIAL art.

    Also, it's surprising that there are no top ranked Chinese in MMA, even though they're so numerous. Maybe better nutrition and such is a factor, but there are many top rated fighters and champs from only moderately richer countries, like Brazil. This suggests that the martial art of choice is the problem.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:02 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol to this bud, as mma stands for mixed martial arts and coming from that back ground, wing chung was used. You heard of the rolling punches? hello!?!?

    do your reasearch before you talk!

    also kung fu is a martial art and a serius one, i can intro u to some guys that think the same and will be more then happy to show you some!

    all you guys are talking about here is wo shu and yes thats for show!

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:17 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The last comment wins lol.

    Honestly though, the comment about cultural revolution and the government cracking down on its arts is the reason why so many od its people are out of touch with their history and arts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:01 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you want to watch Martial Art at its best. Heres a video I found in youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJhXbpPa1Uo

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:31 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Elizabeth Bennet will not be the least bit pleased to read this post.

    Comment by Tenno Seremel
    21:04 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not expert in real fighting matters but I thought Drunken fist (or whatever it is) does not mean you must be literally drunk (O.o)

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    Comment by TC-man
    01:51 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, it certainly helps a bit if you are really drinking some alcohol, since you won't probably feel any pain due to the alcohol while fighting, but you need to be a good drinker otherwise you will become dizzy and can't hit your opponent.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:48 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Take a world renowned martial artist such as Bruce Lee. He is widely believed to be a first rate combatant, but in reality he was extremely myopic and hardly competed at all. People think he’s an American national karate champion, but in fact his real level is just a Hong Kong high school amateur boxing champion."

    all of this are bullshit!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:45 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    after watch those videos...karate just shit!

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    Comment by YotaruVegeta
    23:42 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    On a podcast called Anime Pulse, the host, Ichigo, occasionally mentions the hate between china and Japan. Sankaku jus5t serves to illustrate this hatred even more

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:55 09/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, that's why I love SanCom sooo much.

    It's like tabloid DONE RIGHT - tabloid-like subjects (30% meta news, 30% galleries, 30% freak/sex), but done with journalistic integrity of The Times.

    I love how 'serious' news sources will never touch on self-appointed tabu subject like Japanese-Chinese relations and other genuinely interesting stuff issues in Japan (it's all roses and geishas down there) and their anime coverage is limited to providing worthless facts about release dates of new show and such (I could substitute half of month of ANN news with quick glance to Fall 2010 anime chart). SC on the other side will not just show you that XXX was released, they will give you blueray vs fansub comparsion to show if it's worth getting, or what reaction to it was.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:33 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    russian hand to hand combat is one of the strongest martial arts,don't show us your japanese karate, only kudo is usable

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:29 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    two words:

    Ip Man.

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    Comment by TC-man
    01:53 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Three words:

    Wong Fei Hong

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:45 07/08/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Four words:

    Ng Mui Si Tai

    : P

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol akkido can kick any asses if he combines any other striking sport

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:17 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    who the fk said chinese were the best martial artist?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:26 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's called Ulimate Fighting Champsionship.

    All styles should put up or shut up.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:12 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Quote: Karate is the strongst.

    But isn't Karate a Chinese martial arts, considering that is was originally named "tang fist" (a dynasty in China during the time Karate was developed) and only named to "empty fist" (same pronounciation, different kanji) very later out of political reasons before the breakout of the 2nd world war?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:07 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    sounds like some shit head talking out of his ass.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    17:47 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Take a world renowned martial artist such as Bruce Lee. He is widely believed to be a first rate combatant, but in reality he was extremely myopic and hardly competed at all. People think he’s an American national karate champion, but in fact his real level is just a Hong Kong high school amateur boxing champion."

    This phrase is so full of shit I can feel the page turning brown.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:44 09/07/2016 # ! Neutral (0)

    That logic flawed in so many level. Even if that really was the last competition he openly participating in, it doesn't mean he's only at that level; it's like saying someone who graduated from high school his knowledge is only up to high school level, because the high school exam was the last open official assessment he's taken part in (because knowledge cannot be acquired outside the realm of school and exams *sacarsim*).

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    Comment by Dia
    17:52 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't follow Martial Arts, because they look boring and silly. When it comes to fantasy I prefer guns there too, because I got bored with melee while watching hercules on saturday mornings.

    Here's my imagine of MA, correct me if I'm wrong. MMA is the closest to a real fight (just missing hitting the tender parts), but it ends up like this: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/7/15/

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:44 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    that comic is so true

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:54 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Im going to have to disagree about Bruce Lee.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:18 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Here's a much better video than all those boring old man fights.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgFFivfkfgE&feature=related [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgFFivfkfgE&feature=related]

    Well, this fight is a little unfair for the Japanese fighter because his opponent is much taller than he is, but they're both the best of their weight and age bracket in their respective countries.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:20 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    chinese can copy everything even trash

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:40 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Chinese should just follow Bruce Lee's Jeet Khun Doo.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:38 06/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I dont know if it's practical or not but I do know if they are not put into real practice, it's not going to work the way you dream it. Try practicing driving a car in a video game, then take it onto the street. I can assure you, you are going for a crash course. If I have to say which is the best "kungfu", I opt ultimate fighter. Cause one tackle like that, there ain't no chance in hell, your fancy crane praying mantis monkey fist of fury going to help.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:30 10/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Real masters dont show off their years of training in front of people to declare fame.There are many styles in chinese Kungfu (now called wushu),each has their own weaknesses,so its up to a practioner to train to perfect his/her arts.Hence the name Kung-Fu means "results of the exercise/training".

    The deadliest martial arts in the modern times belong Israel--->its called Krav Maga.Its so deadly its devided into 2 types,the one for the public teaching and the one for military and intelligence community.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:53 12/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The many styles itself had been kung fu's own terrible weakness. There shouldn't be too many styles having their own way/mannerism/movement to throw one simple punch, when a punch that a boxer does 10x better anyway. Too much unnecessary crap that you won't use in a fight anyway, that's why kung fu had been getting a bad rep from world class pro fighters.

    Kung fu guys are getting defeated left and right in the early Mixed Martial Arts scene, and the only successful Kung Fu fighter in mixed martial arts, Jason De Lucia, switched over to submission wrestling and found better success using submission wrestling techniques.

    Krav Maga, on the other hand, is indeed a better choice for typical self-defense situations, but the military Krav Maga is WAY better than the commercialized civilian version. Alternatively, military combatives and combat sambo are good for purely self-defense. Keep in mind that even if you know these "deadly techniques", it'll always be harder to pull them off against pros who actually fight for a living.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:33 02/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The niche of ancient martial arts systems is not motivated by the need to survive, but rather by the need to keep memberships. Sports Martial arts serving the purpose of gambling entertainment and fitness were bound to extract the lethal techniques from fear of court persecution.

    In the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF), a superior Hand to Hand Combat Training System was developed and named Krav Maga. Its advantage was providing training methods with optimal self defense capabilities while maintaining strict safety during training. The key to this system is the correct hierarchy of prioritization!

    However, Krav Maga known to civilians around the world is not the IDF Krav Maga, but rather another form of Martial Arts marketed to civilians.

    Krav Maga – Use of the Human Body as a Weapon offers a complete Philosophy and Application of Hand to Hand Fighting Training System.

    It is the most efficient form of Self Defense and Hand to Hand Combat training method ever developed.

    Over one hundred and fifty techniques are presented with over one thousand film strip formatted photos with over sixty thousand words of advice.

    Boaz Aviram, Krav Maga Top Expert and Former IDF Fighting Fitness Academy Hand to Hand Combat Chief Instructor.
    http://www.amazon.com/Krav-Maga-Philosophy-Application-Fighting/dp/0557248469

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:34 08/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The best kung fu practioner I've seen is an Afghani master:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0CIy9ZZEQE

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:50 09/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ahahaha, that first Kyokushin vs. Chinese_wtf fight was golden.

    LEG GRABS NOT ALLOWED. Sure that chinese whatever isn't even considered to be martial art (not to mention serious martial art) anywhere outside of Asia, but not letting the guy to grab Karate guy's legs? that's like BEATING OUR KARATE CHAMPION NOT ALLOWED RULE.

    No surprise Japanese Karate is so fucking worthless nowadays, when they have to resolve to such tricks to 'win' a match.

    Truth to be told, European Koykushin school matched their japanese skills in 70ties and since 80'es till now Japan faggots are too afraid to invite anyone of renown from France, Holland or Ukraine to their tournaments.

    Real full-contact Karate match involves throwing straight punches at mindboggling speeds and lots and lots of lowkicks (the lowkick, lowkick, lowkick meme is actually very true in real life). It isn't Hollywood level of flashy, but when you consider speed and strength at which they throw their punches and that they take it on basically 'naked chests' it's really impressive.

    High kicks are very, very rarely used, since it's so easy to block, evade or deflect one.

    And if you're looking for self defence and general combat, instead of martial ART, you should simply train multiple martial arts, though boxing alone is awesomely useful in street fights.
    For example, boxing (for proper garde, no japanese crap even comes close), Karate for general punches/kicks and Judo for fighting on the ground and throws is extremly effective combination. you can add/remove Mulay Thai or some kickboxing to the mix, as long as you're training multiple fighting styles that complement themselves you're fine.

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    Comment by Zeick
    13:33 22/12/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Drunken fist is a total lie though, no way can you gain strength by drinking"
    What idiot thinks they actually get drunk

    "Kung fu is like Japanese ninja – just people who have been imaginatively turned into supermen."
    Ninjitsu is just displayed as such the actual thing uses proper techniques and is a good part focused on concealing various weapons on the body

    "Kung fu is just for show, with no real practical use. Like taekwondo."
    this persons clearly never seen taekwondo its one of the least flashy martial arts out he proabably mistook it for hapkido which is usually taught along side tae kwon do is actually usefull

    Theses "experts" on 2ch are idiots

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    Comment by Sandalphon
    08:20 20/12/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hard Martial arts> Soft Martial arts> Grappling arts> Hard Martial arts

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:54 31/03/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    kung fu is like style, dancing, and fighting like capoeira so i would assume already that it would lose to the competition of other fighting technique which would contain actual street brawl than showing stances and moves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:08 31/03/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The thing with martial arts is: they only teach you the form, but not necessary how to use it.. why? The ones who teach like to keep the goods to themselves so others can't learn. This way the masters / teachers can milk more money out of people. Unfortunately, this makes it even harder to pass on to later generations, and in the end all you get is this BS that you see on TV.

    One other thing: That Tai Chi Chuan and White Crane Fist match? Neither one want to actually fight, they were more like pushed onto the ring by other people, and with all the politics and gangsters and thugs behind the scenes, neither one wants to deal with the shit after in the event that they do win.... At least, that's what I heard from my grandfather.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 09/07/2016 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Let’s all just keep believing all Chinese are kung fu masters, all Japanese are samurai ninja, all Americans are former marines, and all Russians subsist entirely on three meals a day of vodka."

    Sums up this article pretty well!

    Comment by Pyrus
    07:39 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'll admit my "official" MA training is limited to a few weeks of karate-like training, and any fighting skills I had before that was aquired somewhat like Terry Bogard's was (getting into fights on the streets as a kid and getting beat on 'till you catch on to how not to get beat on).

    Taking both into account:
    > Fighting is a graceless, ugly business: That smooth flowing of one move into another that you see in the movies and the training hall practice forms doesn't exist. What I've often experienced in fights was 2 or more people simultaneously trying to punch, block, dodge, kick & wrestle each other.
    > Those forms you practice serve at least 2 main purposes: To get you into the habit of properly executing punches, blocks & kicks; To ingrain at least some basic attack/defensive routines into your instinctive reflexes.
    > There's really only so much you can do strategy-wise: Overwhelm your opponent(s) with an attack/counter attack combining speed, strength & power all at once; Neutralize your opponent(s)'s ability to attack or defend by constraining & restraining the movement of his arms and legs; Employ some combination of the aforementioned strategies. All MAs should have basic moves & techniques for employing those strategies.

    The point of weapons, I'm told, is to attack from a safe distance or attack in a way that can't be countered easily. The way to have a chance at fighting an armed opponent unarmed is to get real close to negate the distance advantage.

    If martial artists are unskilled, they haven't been practicing their basics enough or showing bad judgement in how they use them.

    There's probably more that could be said, but I'll limit my underinformed 2 cents to this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:09 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Taekwondo is the best. Muay Thai is great too. Karate is only for weaboos.

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    Comment by Manji88
    08:02 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Of course there are no really "real world" effective fighting techniques left any more. People don't go out and regularly get into life and death fights these days. And you can't practice real disabling or killing blows. A veteran foot soldier in the Sengoku Jidai would take out the best Japanese swordfighter today, because he's survived battles with people who wanted to kill him and had a three foot long razor blade to do it with.
    The problem is you can't practice maiming and killing people, because you, y'know, go to jail for it.
    That said, I've seen a few videos showing street punks getting snotty with people who are trained in ACS or MMA fighters getting taken out pretty fast.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:44 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's not the martial art; it's the martial artist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:01 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kung Fu is bull anyway. More of a dance than a real martial art.
    The Chinese themselves arent believing this shit. Instead, the Chinese Army practizes Sanda, a non-spiritual form of Kung-Fu, that concentrates on disarment techniques and deadly attacks on weakpoints.

    If you want to find real Martial Art in China today, you must look for it in the PLA and not in sports events.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Coming from a past mma back ground, I gotta say that I feel insulted about this post!

    I feel that no one here understand what martial arts are and are making a mockery out of the sport and using it as a weapon to stereo type a race!

    Being from a MMA environment most of my friends are Japanese, Korean and Chinese, Tai. Etc and all of which are not closed minded such the comments you guys made here!

    These videos show individuals with no skill in the martial arts. I mean come on the guys missed a shed load of openings to tackle the dude’s leg to the floor when raised for high kicks which is one of the weaknesses in karate, judo, aikido and jug jitsu but that does not make the art bad, it just means that the practitioner must wait for opening, while avoiding attacks and capitalise. The guys in this get hit and do nothing, if i was well and was still practicing as soon as the dude hit me i would hold the let drop and twist, dislocating it as that would stop the attack!

    You know some masters don’t even fight like in the moves, They can stare each other down rather than fight. It’s this generation of media that is spoiling people presumptions of the art. True practitioners and masters don’t show off as if they did then allot more people would be killed by the art. Most old school masters i know are even doctors as the art is supposed to show you how to defend and heal.

    NOTE: to all that martial arts was not only for health and longevity but infect protection like the accent monks of old and generally a way of life!

    Do your research if you are even interested, and if not then don’t have an opinion about something you know nothing about. Just become the current media such as movies and tv shows stereotype it.

    The Chinese kung fu guy in this 1st vid has no skill and it would not surprise me if this was a ruse to make the art look bad, for one all are speaking Japanese, where other judges from different countries? Europe for example. You can’t take a stereo type like this and then try and rationalise it!

    I mean come on, these comments bastardising Chinese people have no place here in the world, yes Chinese (the country) has been doing allot recently which can be looked down upon, but these choices that the country is making is because of capitalism part of which is control of information via their government so to control their people, just like religion does in western society (note: faith is good, mans interpretation and changing of faith is bad aka “religion”!) Chinese people are not to blame and should not be ladled as you can’t generalise on a race, how would you like it?

    If so and i thought like some of the people here, then I’d be talking about how the Japanese raped pillaged and plundered Korea, china, and most of Asia in the past and recently say they have struck it from the history books, not quite learning from there past sins huh! Infect looking at past thence, Japan has a lot to answered for. but you know what, fook it as government pushed the people to do these things and the new generation and western Asians should not be put under the same scrutiny because of their ancestors actions in the same way that all Chinese should not be ladled as loud and interrupting, Does anyone here even know any Chinese people? I mean from my experience there curios much like Japanese are and other Asian, as they tend to treat people like they want to be treated, which if I’m not mistake as the whole world does!

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:29 07/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That Shotokan fight at the end was pure. I've seen what fighters are trained to do at higher levels - at first it's about learning the techniques, then it pushes focus strikes. I'm just kind of surprised nobody posted a Kyokushinkai fight in response, it's revered in Japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:58 09/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You would say that with heavy Yakuza involvement, split into 5 organizations (no one of them having actual rights for Kyokushin trademark:P) Kyokushin in Japan would be a bit of hushed up subject.










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