Anime Figure Exhibition “Sexist” & “An Insult to France”

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"All according to keikaku"?

Kiekaku means plan

did anon just explain it's self

How is that sexist, there's two statues depicting BOTH MAN AND WOMAN excreting their milky fluids from appropriate places in a gracious and artistic way!?

Its a foreign issues France always keep quit about it.They are being attack by groups that tend to go off on them all they can do is take it up the ass.

Religion was not mentioned at all.

who cares about women being explotated? they have no soul.... distasteless shit in versailles is another thing, of course.

i think the statues are more of supposed to give a "WTF? haha... weird..." feeling when you are looking at them instead of "I hate women" thought. its hard to get anything through in france since people will riot at the slightest provocation...
when will people be able to distinguish the difference between fiction and reality? when will people stop thinking that fiction is reality? this kind of action against artists is like the whole "hentai vs unicef" where there are ignorant people who think works of fiction are real people, and if you go by their logic, everyone thats written a fiction book/drawn a picture/sang a song that has a criminal act in it should be charged with the act in actual court... proves how stupid humans can be... the gene pool has too much stupid mixed in it...

@‘gracious and artistic’?
Although I've got little sympathy for the French overreaction, I must say that I've seen *eroge figures* with more artistic merit.

Hell, AnonAnon, here,
It's DANMED well better than half of the shit I've seen at Versailes.

Guys depicting sex is sexist, woman and men should look identical. Ban the breast and penis, it is not art since it is sexist. Also ban black people since we can tell they have different skin tone so it is racist.

Only uncultured savages will be aroused by this nonsense.

There might be good ones in the middle, too. Besides, Lonesome Cowboy IS EPIC. Period.

I must agree, despite Lonesome Cowboy being a bit "shocking" I love the damn thing none the less. It's an increadibly ballsy piece of work (pun... intended?) and I have to respect it because of that. I do apreciate that Murakami is willing to do things like this. And the same goes for Hiropon.

Oh, and for anyone wondering, Murakami has plenty of pieces that are not like these.

How is it "incredibly ballsy"? If anything it's boring and forced. Oh look it tries to be edgy and offensive, how cute. Yawn. Hentai is full of stuff like that.

The only reason anyone considers that art is that westerners think anime is weird sexual shit and making a life-sized statue of it is oooh so controversial. Murakami has some good works but he's a sellout who is in it for the money.

I have to agree with them tough, every museum is free to choose the kind of image they want to project.

Is the Cowboy really a work of art? Yes it is, undeniably, but that doesn't mean they can't reject it.

The way things work is that these kinds of artwork get displayed in avant-guard museums first, then once they become cultural icons do they earn the right to be displayed along other cultural icons.

To put it simple, you wouldn't display this next to the Mona_Lisa even though objectively, there is no difference between them.

could not agree with anon any more. well put.

Sorry but you got the wrong country dude...
In case you didn't know France is the second country in the world in terms of sales of Manga and Anime. The first one is obviously Japan. The third one is America. Saying that French don't like or don't understand Japanese Manga and Anime is utterly irrelevant.
This is just a matter of taste in Art. It's not because something is labeled Japanese that it is automatically good.

Fine. You don't like him and think he's a sellout. I love him and think he has a lot to say. But whatever. It's a moot point. All I can say is "agree to disagree".

However, I wonder how many people here have actually seen one of his exibitions in full, or do they think that all his work is like this? I will admit, it's easy to laugh at Modern Art, but just like any other form of art (like the Lolicon so many sancom users hold so dearly) it should be able to be presented to the whole of the public without censorship. I did admit and explain in another post that the location is a slight bit insensitive, but that is besides the point. Freedom of Artistic Expression comes before any "proper etiquette" or "proper manners" in my book.

Also, I don't remember this many negative comments about Murakami when he was defending Lolicon (which I was happy about). So people here are willing to have Murakami defend them, but you're not willing to do the same in return? How fickle is that?

Anon 02:12

geez why does it log me out >_<

"The only reason anyone considers that art is that westerners think anime is weird sexual shit and making a life-sized statue of it is oooh so controversial. Murakami has some good works but he's a sellout who is in it for the money."

Wrong. It was considered art in Japan first. And titillating art and HENTAI? NO WAYYYYYY

But yeah, you're missing the point if you think Super Flat = fine anime art. They're not the same thing. Nor do they aim for the same reaction. That is the whole damn point of Superflat.

If anything, Superflat is supposed to be a post-modern, parody of the hentai/moe anime subculture. So if you think Superflat Murakami art is supposed to be a serious representation of anime/manga art culture, YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT.

I came in your mouth

"In case you didn't know France is the second country in the world in terms of sales of Manga and Anime."

Isn't that just because graphic novels are considered a mainstream literary medium over there?

I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream literary medium". But I wouldn't say that in France, manga are widely compared to graphic novels.
Manga & japanese culture is very popular in the younger generations and at the same time very much hated by many of the older generations.
It's specifically people who probably think of themselves as "true art admirers" that think so low of the japanese culture. But are actually just pretentious narrow minded trash.

I actually agree. It's the governments that are making a mockery of the people. In fact, that's how it is in America as well, with idiot government whipping people into a frenzy (namely the redneck/racist movement of the Tea Party)

To me, France and America and Japan all have some VERY xenophobic and selfrighteousness about them as I see it. But yeah, it's usually the overzealous groups and governments that are at fault for magnifying the issues and whippings its own people into a frenzy, even for such non-issues as a modern art gallery.

That said, it seems people are too touchy either way when it comes down to sexualized modern art. This honestly does not surprise me. There's too much kneejerk reactions by almost everyone in the world if something is sexualized.

Being a fan of art, I'd rather see that people have the right to complain, but not so much as to take a planned exhibit out.

If you DO NOT like it, then DO NOT watch. It is that simple. And stop using some 'cultural' reasons as if that holds any meaning. Most people only start to 'care' when they want to throw their opinions around. Why the heck were other exhibits fine I wonder? Probably because they're less titillating. Which to me is the finer point of art, but I digress. To me, the exhibit is already a success for causing such a ruckus. That's the whole damn point of Murakami's Super Flat style. It's to raise a controversy.

its called the "FOX NEWS effect"... where stupid zealots decide to make themselves look like fools...
every society has people that are xenophobic and immensely ignorant people, its just the intelligent and open minded people are almost always being drowned out by the loud unintelligent baseless screaming and whining of the haters who dont even know what they are talking about... so its really hard to get a gauge as to exactly how people feel about many subjects.

^ +1000 Elc :) ^
For what is happening in Versailles's castle, even without considering murakami's exposition :
There have been modern art stuff exposed in there for some time now and it doesn't feel right. I think it's ruining the whole renaissance ambiance of the castle for the tourists.

If by that you mean building mosques and being able to wear traditional head garbs, I don't see that as being too excessive. Then again, I fiercely disagree with other Japanese and American nationals in that they actually think such acts are imposing of values. I can understand if head garbs and other covering clothing in the traditional sense can clash with that of work uniforms and dress codes. I can understand the dicey situation. Just not when it degrades into a dialog about how the Muslims may not belong in France or any other part of the Western world. That goes dangerously close to outright racism to me.

Honestly, I'm no fan of religion, but with Muslims it gets a bit dicey since it's not only a religion with them, but a cultural way of life.

The fact is that France is a secular state so it is forbidden to wear head garbs or show any religious symbols at public places such as schools. Many Muslims are still trying to impose their values by forcing their daughters to wear head garbs at school. Also, many Muslims are whining because they can't have their Friday off for the Friday prayer.

There are also a lot of bad examples of some Muslims being polygamous, beating other people because they don't keep the ramadan or being racist again the French themselves.

So I guess some people are just tired of that.

Why can't the muslim have Friday off? Just come in Sunday instead. I mean they could have a case; what with the average work week set up so that a nominally christian prayer day can be held without conflict, secular or non secular.

Oh yeah, pretty much every negative point you make about thier religion (sans the friday issue) can apply to any other group. Parents impose thier values on thier children ALL...THE...BLOODY...TIME it kinda comes with the territory. Some christians (mormons, biblical figures) are polygamous, and honestly polygamy is not WRONG per se (polyandry, is of course an utterly loathsome abomination). The beating thing sounds kinda word-o-mouthy but give me 20 min in a blue coller bar and I'll find you a father who swears by the ol' leather belt. Finally, being stereotyped and in some ways demonized rarely makes one wish to be the soul of understanding towards those who are doing this to you

Good point. What if you're a Christian and with a western mindset and you're forced to work on Sundays? Wouldn't they be incensed as well? But yeah, most religions do allow for at least one solid day of rest/worship and these things can be worked with.

The absolute WORST thing to do is make different days off for different groups of people. How the heck are you going to integrate the muslims if it's being constantly hammered into their heads that they're a somehow different and separate group from all the rest of society (With their own rules, their own days off etc.)?

NO special privileges to religions, everyone goes by the same system. All attempts to undermine that undermine the very thing they're there in school for, integration into society.

fukken THIS

Ain't French or artistic but I know a bad one when I see it. And I'm looking at two..... =_="

Seems those protesters have a very narrow definition of art.

i bet they are the kind of people that think random splatters of paint on a canvas make art...
to think there are people who can live by selling pictures painted by randomly farting paint on canvas is just depressing...

Il y a beaucoup d'autres musées d'art contemporain (comme le centre de pompidou) où cette exposition pourrait avoir lieu;

Le palais de Versailles est un monument distinct de l'art classique et le prestige de l'âge il représente, donc je suppose que dans ce cas, ils font rage à propos du lieu où on a choisi de tenir cette exposition, pas l'exposition en général.

I agree completely that those figures are ugly and very far from art. I agree too that those two pieces of junk would get a better reception at the Pompidou Center for Modern Art.
Anyway, those figures are a shame to figure collectors and Versailles was meant for better than that (lets say, at the least, a Saber Lilly or some Rozen Maiden dolls)

Rapelay but this time from France!

@Darkrockslizer
Wow, j'aurai jamais pensé te voir parler français un jour.

Le fait est que la plupart des post sur Sankaku parlent plus de la forme que du fond : il est dit que ca proteste pour 2 statues ou de l'art assez provocateur, gardons que ça. Ne parlons pas du patrimoine historique/artistique que représente Versailles, ça au fond on s'en fout.
Et ça suffit a nous catégoriser (français) dans la case des anti-tout et racistes parce que des gens opposent une protestation (tout à fait personnelle d'ailleurs) :x

Autant les statues me gênent pas plus que ça, mais les exposer a Versailles me titille un peu la moustache.