One of the execution chambers where Japanese death row inmates are hanged has been revealed to the public for the first time.
The pictures are a result of the current justice minister’s decision to grant journalists access – she is a staunch opponent of the death penalty, although she has nonetheless authorised and witnessed executions as part of her official duties. She intends to review the practice.
The Tokyo execution facility made public is one of 7 nationwide.
Prisoners are executed by hanging, with a carefully calculated drop through a trapdoor designed to break the neck of the prisoner, giving something approaching an instant death.
The execution chamber is decorated much as a conference room might be, but directly below is the drop room, a much more utilitarian area. Both areas are visible from a viewing gallery. The metal rings visible in the pictures are for securing the rope.
The trapdoor is dropped by one of 3 switches, which are pressed simultaneously by 3 guards so that no one knows who directly triggered the execution.
This is a method similar to that used in some firing squad executions (only one firer will be given a rifle with a live round) so that nobody knows who fires the fatal shot, although experienced shooters can generally distinguish between live rounds and blank rounds, so this perhaps owes more to a sense of plausible deniability than anything else.
Prisoners can say their prayers before a golden Buddha.
Executions in Japan are now solely of suspects convicted of multiple murder charges, or those who murder under particularly aggravating circumstances, and public support for the practice remains high.
Japan has almost a hundred death row inmates, many of whom have been awaiting execution for years, and they are generally executed at a rate of less than half a dozen each year. Conditions for death row inmates are said to be particularly harsh.
The circumstances surrounding the executions themselves are particularly noteworthy – each execution must be personally authorised by the minister of justice, and the approval of the executions is shrouded in secrecy, with executions often timed to ensure minimal public attention.
Prisoners themselves hear that their execution has been scheduled a few hours in advance. Families, legal counsel and the media only hear about the execution after it has occurred.
The number of executions carried out based on false convictions is not known, but a number of those sentenced to death but not actually executed have been declared innocent after a retrial, and sufficient doubts have remained about others on death row to dissuade ministers and courts from actually scheduling their execution – some in fact have died of old age waiting to be executed as a result of these doubts.
Nothing is known about the rate of botched executions in Japan, but in the unusual event that a prisoner’s neck is not broken by such a fall they can usually be relied upon to be strangled to death by the noose. A drop which is miscalculated can also cause decapitation – again there are no recent public records of this.
In other countries it is common for executioners to informally finish off prisoners who survive the initial drop by some means.
Secrecy about the practice ensures no records of botched Japanese executions exist, but there is the famous case of a 31-year-old farmer sentenced to death for committing the crime of arson during a rice riot in 1872, near the beginning of the Meiji Restoration and just after Japan had begun introducing western style hanging and criminal justice.
He was hanged, but after the corpse was claimed by his relatives moaning was heard from the coffin – he had revived, despite being declared dead in an autopsy. He was taken back to his village, and soon reported to the authorities.
Reasoning that as the execution had already been carried out, and referring to practices where sovereigns would grant clemency to those who survived executions, the court’s verdict was that “as the condemned has already been hanged once, he shall not be hanged again – he is to be restored to the family register at once.”
He is said to have lived either to 1898 or to 4 years after the execution, though perhaps as a result of injuries sustained in the hanging he was a changed man and lived his life out in solitude in a hut. Nobody was punished for botching the execution, but three officials resigned out of shame at their failure.
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"Executions in Japan are now solely of suspects convicted of multiple murder charges, or those who murder under particularly aggravating circumstances, and public support for the practice remains high."
This is a good practice. I'm all for it.
Those chairs look comfy too.
It's not. The moralist "burn-the-witch" types make mistakes all the time, and the legal system is stuffed to bursting with them.
It's not uncommon to sentence people to death only to prove them innocent later on in the US, and it's not a stretch to consider Japan may be in a similar situation.
Executions are pointless barbaric acts. There are many better ways to punish criminals that does not involve destroying them in the process. Society paid for and raised these people. We should at least give them something useful to do for the rest of their life, rather than killing them off or keeping them locked up for ridiculously long periods of time.
The problem how society view death penalty is, they only see death penalty as a punishment. Death penalty's main use is to scare citizen from committing crime. Death sentence should be use in the beginning then every now and then to show that the government is not just bluffing. Those who were executed were not disposed but used as an example to the rest of the citizen.
@ Anon 01:20:
I'd say, "studies indicate..." (if I had sources handy, but I don't) ... that most people obey the law because they think it's "the right thing to do".
Laws that are perceived as arbitrary, unjust, or stupid are typically ignored.
Some examples would be speeding and alcohol/drug restrictions,
Sociopaths (no consciences) and anger-impulse killers make up the bulk of murderers, and they don't care about/don't think about the death penalty; or they think "I'm special, and won't get caught."
To victims' families, the death penalty might be about revenge.
To me, the death penalty is about removing a threat to society. I'd be fine with replacing the death penalty with "life in prison with no possibility of parole", even though I have to pay taxes to fund the prisons. It's worth it to me, because governments clearly _do_ make mistakes, and _do_ abuse their power.
Too bad there's no proof that supports that view. (Actually states / countries with death penalty tend to have higher rate of [ both serious and lesser ] crime, though it is unclear which is the cause ).
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty
The death penalty does not succeed as a deterrence. This is a well known fact to criminologists and law enforcement (though apparently not to the general public at large, unless they've done research).
The death penalty is used for vengeance, plain and simple, not deterrence.
"I'd be fine with replacing the death penalty with "life in prison with no possibility of parole", even though I have to pay taxes to fund the prisons"
You don't have to worry about that. In America at least, the trial, investigation and subsequent execution of a death row prisoner is on average much more expensive than life imprisonment. There is literally no point in capital punishment, aside from revenge.
02:08
I heard there was a study in the US where the conclusion was people obey the law simply because it's the law and not about how practical or right it is. If the study is true then it reinforces 01:20; breaking the law brings the hassles associated (jail times, fines) so it's just easier to follow.
"The death penalty is used for vengeance"
Executing criminals can be argued to save resources that would otherwise be spent incarcerating them (at $50,000 per annum over a lifespan this could be a huge social burden), and to preserve public safety in a very definite way (although public safety is greatly harmed by the occasional execution of innocents).
Clearly it fails to reform, but with no-parole life sentences this is redundant.
Since modern penal policy is to reform the criminal, deter other criminals and protect the public, and lastly and least modernly to appease the public demand for vengeance, clearly it is an oversimplification to say execution merely serves as revenge.
Although imprisonment for life would scare me more than being sentenced to death.
Artefact - indeed. Why live a life not worth living anyway?
Even our lives has glimmers of happiness. An inmates for life do not have those.
Better to have them do some good, if not in labour...then at least not a social burden for the rest of society.
And remember, this is not dead-man wonderland.
putting someone in prison for life, lets assume that is 40 years. it costs about 30-40k to have just 1 prisoner, lets say there are 100 life prisoners per 1000000 people. now there are 250 million americans for the last time i checked.
it causts anualy 100million to keep those fuckers alive, and over 40 years over 4billon
this is how i believe people should live. get rid of criminalization of possession of drugs, get the users out.
now anyone who would qualify for life or death row, if you are 100$ guilts, there is enough evidence that they are damn sure its you and not someone else, they publicly execute you on a pay per view event. some people may not draw a crowd, but a guy kills his faimaly and tortures them over a few days, that would draw a national crowd and rake in millions, this would be used to fun prisons, and people can call in on cellphones to vote on how to kill them, naturally this will be 10$ a call.
like i said, this is what happens when there is no doubt these fuckers did it.
and lets be 100% honest, in america, you go on death row for a reason, even sense dna has been used, some have gotten off of death ro because of it, but the people who go on it now only get off it by appealing and trying for life in prison, they arent innocent, they just want to live.
Alidan, you are truly demented and a fine example of what is wrong with Americans.
Pay-per-view executions? Are you serious?
keeping criminals alive costs allot of money.
we only excicute, at least now, people who have been proven guilty with more evidence than ever before.
and the public would love to see many of these fuckers die.
you charge people to witness it, offset most of the cost of prisons with killing the worst of the worst, and there you go.
think of some of the people who commit horrific crimes, you cant tell me you never thought of killing them, and you cant tell me that you wouldn't kill them yourself if you could get away with it with no court time.
there are allot of people who would pay to see these miserable fucks die.
and if you actually want to keep them alive, you foot the annual bill to do it, because i guarantee you that having the life in person live on and having the victims family pay for keeping the fuck alive is just pissing in there face.
Pay-per-view executions - what could possibly go wrong? And you thought the prison industrial complex was keen to get inmates into its cells now...
like i said, we don't put people who are innocent on death ro anymore, anyone there has done it beyond any reasonable shadow of a doubt, they appeal there cases as much as they can to avid excitation.
i'm not saying innocent people don't go to prison, but they don't get accused of multiple killings and rapes, are tied by dna to every one, and are still innocent. most innocent people now that go to prison are things that are low profile crimes, not death ro worthy things.
They were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt 20-30 years ago when they sent people to death row.
There would still be innocents going to jail for murder now and by the same evidence that can be used to convict death row, technology just make the rate smaller.
technology made the difference.
when was the last death row conviction without dna evidence, or at least good video or even a great picture that places them there doing it?
you have life in prison for people who there is still some doubt (but not enough to let them go)
but you have a guy, on camera, getting hit and bleeding by a store clerk, he kills store clerk, and is found 3 days later with the injury from the clerk clearly viable, dna matches, and you have video of it happening.
when he is found guilty, you hold him for 1 month, to gather knowledge of the execution, and set everything up, than kill the motherfucker and get some money for funding the lives of the rest of the shit in prison.
when was the last person falsely put on death row who didn't do it sense dna took off?
and i don't mean people who are in prison for life falsely or admit doing it when they didn't to cover.
if they ever manage too get ol sparky running again id gladly pay a 100 bucks too watch some fucker fry
Honestly, that kind of criminals should pay back for the society by doing some kind of "slave labor", much more useful and to be honest I find the idea of killing someone, even a serial murder abhorrent.
I find it abhorrent that you guys think that we are a "Greater Being" in any respect. Death Penalty is pretty pointless when there is nothing to lose in the first place.
Death Penalty will cause some ruptures in society and killing them "will" increase the rate since they have nothing to lose or feel so much despair. Living in solitary confinement will be much more punishing in their acts rather than killing them off.
Even if they die they see this as a atonement/repent of what they have done and could. if not will increase a number of these cases. There are countless situations which will use this tactic, instead of finding a good solution they will find this a quick answer. Look at examples in other countries to see that killing themselves is a quick option.
Artefact, regarding your point of costs:
Executing someone actually incurs higher costs than keeping them in prison for life, due to lengthy appeals, court costs, death row detention, etc. Plus, if they are lifers in prison, they can at least make chairs or sweep the roads to help defray their detainment costs, even if only a little. (Yes, that last was a little tongue in cheek :))
@Kitsune9Tails
I doubt that is universal, but it suggests that there is a threshold beyond which it is less expensive to keep the condemned alive (and hopefully miserable), and maybe also that these matters are needlessly complicated.
Seems that the Constitution guarantees that serving justice will be *expensive*.
they should go back to senpuku style of death sentence... that way you can ensure the death of the prisoners... after all no man can survive without head...
From Wiki;
Seppuku (切腹?, "stomach-cutting") is a form of Japanese ritual suicide by disembowelment.
I think you had Marie Antoinette's execution in mind
in seppuku it is required that someone stands behind the guy with a sword to cut off his head after he had cut open his stomach
That (both seppuku and the second to behead the victim) might be seen as "too honorable" for many of these criminals.
@1:56
It's not required, but it's often granted to those who choose seppuku to preserve their honour as opposed to restoring it.
The whole point of seppuku is that it is supposed to be voluntary, at least in appearance.
Just in case anybody wants to try, here is the method:
http://througheyesfromafar.blogspot.com/2009/10/step-by-step-guide-to-seppuku.html
Now it's a good time to be feeling proud of being Canadian I suppose.
anon @00:57
I wrote more to this post, exactly about what you commented. Dunno why the one above appeared later. Oh well, just ignore it and look below.
@Anon00:57 seriously? Tell that to the family(ies) of the person said murderer killed. I'm not for jumping to the death penalty in every case, but to say it shouldn't exist seems like naivety to me. Plainly, some need to be "put down".
I will gladly, to their face preferably.
I know that years back that finding out people were actually innocent was the case (and is why such sentances are given time before execution btw) but with advents in crime investigation, such as better DNA testing (IE CSI crap) its far, far, far less likely now.
The question is of course, is it better to kill 100 guilty men, and accidentally kill 1 innocent one, or better to let them live in a prison until they die.
Nobody who does a crime thinks about the consequences, so deterrence doesn't work.
Life in prison is 10x cheaper than a death sentence (because all of the procedures).
Vengeance never works -- you can't un-do what's been done.
Finally -- if the practice is morally right and just -- why the uncertainty about the buttons? If it were the right thing to do, then it should be clear and open who did it.
There still some rich assholes who gets paid out of their sentences... *sigh*
Wow, what a shit load of worthless and OBVIOUS information..
Waist of time, and pointless..
It seems people these days like to defend and care more about the criminals than the victims.
I'm not for mass executions, but just the ones that are too heinous, too irredeemable and too dangerous to society. If we had the Health Ledger Joker in real life, HANG HIM. Don't let Batman get all soft and let him free in jail until he comes out and kills 10,000 more people.
"Executions in Japan are now solely of suspects convicted of multiple murder charges, or those who murder under particularly aggravating circumstances, and public support for the practice remains high."
This is a good practice. I'm all for it. Generally I'm against death sentence they way the USA handle it, but it certainly is punishment fit for the vilest scum. For those a life sentence just isn't enough.
The modern way of execution is way better than those of past times..., no town square to display the convict and put him/her to shame before they do him in, no mob jeering at the convict which can further intensify his probable humiliation and today's method don't involve bloody spectacles that were introduced way back that were meant to deter would-be criminals.
Even if it's a justified killing of an individual, at the very least today's methods allow the death-row inmate to live with his dignity and privacy intact...
Oh god, There is a ghost in the first picture!
It's one of the executed haunting the place. ^_^
It's a death sentence- whether they die by firing squad, hanging, or torture, whether they die with family members gathered around their bed or with crowds jeering at them, the end result is exactly the same- they're dead. Dignity and privacy are for the living, the dead don't care.
Taking that further, there's really no difference between a life sentence and execution. I don't know why so many people are opposed to execution (not counting cases where the accused is actually innocent, of course). The two are exactly the same- the end result is that the accused dies.
That said, it would probably be a better arrangement if the families of the victims had to be the ones to push the button. If they want the murderer dead, they should be the ones to push the button.
A life sentence can be cancelled and the prisoner let free if the court made a mistake, which happens more often than we might like to think. That's a pretty big difference from getting executed.
Also, being alive is quite a big deal compared to being dead for the guy sentenced. You'll die one day to, does that mean you could as well just die right now?
Actually a life sentence is worse than being executed as the incarcerated basicly sits in prison knowing he/she won't ever get out.
It seems that some people lose their sanity after a while.
I'd be all for life sentences with optional suicide / excecution...
While the end result of a life sentence or execution is the same, a lot of people feel that it is wrong to keep the criminal alive and in good living conditions for the rest of his life, while his victims rot in their graves.
Why should I pay (as part of taxes) money to feed and clothe a man who killed my loved one?
Because paying for the trial is more expensive.
don't forget that a criminal does have family and loved ones and by executing the criminal you harm the family and friends while they are innocent. also people that are awaiting death so in death row are more keen to become crazy then people with life sentences but i'm also against life sentence.
killing a killer is still killing, how can you teach them that it is wrong to kill if you want to do actually the same thing
How is that better? That just shows how fucking pussified we've become. We can kill people; but let's make it clean. You know? Think about the children. They might grow up and believe that humans can be violent and despicable, we need to purge those ridiculous delusions at once.
Political correctness aside, fuck death penalties, no system run by authority should ever decide who should live or die. If you want revenge, do it your-god-damn-self.
Revenge is a silly irrational thing. An eye for an aye and the whole world goes blind.
"They might grow up and believe that humans can be violent and despicable" are the delusion that must be purged?
It is the other way around. People can get violent and despicable from anything.
supposedly they are for the most serious of crimes. in that case, they have no conscience of how or what they have done. then why should anyone else. in extreme cases the punishment should fit the crime. Saying that, they gave no concern to the dignity of there victim then they should receive none. DEATH ROW called that for a reason. you have been deamed worthy of the worst punishment society can bestow. I don't know how many other ways to say it. Let the bastard rot! get what you receive. I'll shut up now.
@KrazedLumberjack 23:02:
I don't care about the convict's "dignity and privacy" -- s/he's a convicted murderer!!
I _am_ against public executions, because I think the mob/bloodsport mentality is detrimental to society.
I think it's generally stupid. You could get some cheap organs, do experiments on them or other actually useful stuff. Just letting them go to waste in prison or by killing them off is plain stupid.
Prisons are basically the proof of human incompetence to rehabilitate criminals. Said criminals are the indications of a sick society. Cure society and solve all those problem at once.
There are two factors that support criminality in our society. Having no money at all and having too much money. If you don't have money and do not have the possibilty to earn it, chances are, you'll do something considered a crime. On the other hand, if you have too much money, you could get bored and do criminal stuff out of fun.
There are other factors, too. It's possible to cure society, but people that have the means to do, don't have the will and people with the will to cure don't have the means. Sad story.
"Crimes against humanity" lol
Is it lonely up there on the internet, on your pedestal, in your room? No doubt you offer so much of value to society. Perhaps your organs would be of more use to the world than you could ever be in life?
ie; "Fill out an organ donor card and go kill yourself"? o_0
I already am an organ donor, it's the obvious thing to do. Also, I am against prisons in general, but I acknowledge the need for them. Only.. if you kill them off anyway, you might as well get the best out of it. I don't like Godwins law all that much but you know, _they_ did it. Efficient germans. Though, they aren't allowed to anymore, due to historical circumstances, I think.
Righteously said, Chen-04...
Let their organs save the people who need them, rather than let it all go to waste in some cemetery...
Being dead doesn't mean you can't give back to all the pain and suffering you caused to society...
Before one dies, we should donate one's organs and bury/cremate the rest...
It is the most logical and resourceful thing to do...
Let's just hope said organs don't end up inside people with ill intentions towards others...
There Sci-Fis warning how organs influence people. Perhaps there are studies on how transplantees change their behaviour.
But aren't death penalty in the US done with cyanide or poison which would invalidate the organ donation? A bullet or high voltage to the head would preserve the lower body organs.
It's called Sci-Fi because of the fiction. Science Fiction. In those machines get emotions. God, is there anything more stupid than machines with emotions? If the machine isn't doing what you wanted them to do, you're doing it wrong.
Also, there should be more people like Azure Xuchilbara. People that think logically. One should respect life, but damn, if you're going to kill them off anyway... what's the difference?
note: I am against death penalty, prisons and people that think they must decide how others live.
Criminals are still human beings even after they've committed crimes and lost their freedom... Who are YOU to play with human lives as if they were toys, and experiment on prisoners just for the benefit of the rest of us?
Cruel, insensitive people like you should all move to China. Their justice system is just right for you.
Before you start to condemn him for 'playing with lives' (i.e. stating his opinion on the subject matter), you should first tell that to the people in Academy City who made those expendable Biribiri clones and that d*ck-wad, Accelerator who killed over 9000 of your onee-samas...
All those wasted biribiri clone armpits...That will never be sniffed, licked, or creamed on...
*sighs*
At least this guy is thinking about resources (organ harvesting and giving their body to science) instead of outright killing cute clones just to 'level-up'...
If I die, I would be more than happy to donate my organs...
I can save a life that way, whether I am a criminal or not...
In a way, a small chance at redemption before leaving the mortal coil...
I hope my donated organs end up in the body of a cute girl...
Don't be so naive, Kurok--er, kyosak...The government is thinking the same thing...
Resources should not be wasted...
For the most vilest of death row inmates...Let the organ harvest and experimentation begin...
Because killing them is so much better right?
Call me an asshole if you want, but if I have to kill one man (ok, person you femi-bitches) in the prospect of saving 100, I would in a blink of an eye.
If I am cruel for wanting to improve my own species by sacrificing a few individuals then so be it. Just remember that the next time you or one of your intermediate family needs a life saving surgery.
@Anonymous 01:17 30/08/2010
Amen to that...
Collateral damage and statistics is what society is all about...
Taking an infected part of society away and disposing of it is the reason we are still here...
If we let all the dangerous criminals live, then it will create a society of fear...
How would you like to know that a mass-murdering killer is on your neighborhood after being freed from jail by pro-life, naive individuals..?
If you are a concerned person, you would rather see said killer die...
Kill the killer before he kills you...
That is survival instinct...It is in all of us...
Forgiveness and mercy can only go so much, but when something is taken away from you like a loved one because of your naivete about morals and ethics, then you will know...
That is why we have Judge, Jury, and Executioner in society...
This isn't the witch hunts or the holocaust anymore...No more draconic mass killings of heretics or people with different religions and sexual practices (except if you are in the middle east)...
This is the modern era of 2000 and beyond...
Chen-04 is merely stating that we should harvest the organs of said killers upon their deaths...
In a way, they will 'contribute' back to society...
Give me all the negative votes you want...
When your own survival is on the line, I guarantee you will throw morals and ethics outside the window...
One minute you want to save this killer from execution, but the very minute he tries to kill you after he is out of prison, you seek his death like the rest...
How many of us can say that we will never succumb to our survival instincts..?
It is in OUR genes at moment of our creation...
Morals and ethics are just ingrained to us by our parents...
But that survival instinct and self-preservation is IN us all before all that...
It is human nature...It is in our genes for self-preservation...
You know this to be true if it all comes down to survival, protection, modernization and social improvement as a whole...
murderers, serial killers, and other really sick people are not human anymore, those should be treated like beasts they didnt respected the life of the victims we shouldnt respect a killer. we pay way to much taxes feeding them while they do nothing in most of the prisons, and a lot of them are impossible to rehabilitate since they are FUBAR'ed
robbers and other minors crimes can be rehabilitated they are minor crimes for something
also indeed society is sick, we are used to the easy life, we should fight for our things, many of us forgot the words "work hard to eat" and go to the easy way,the education system helps and make even more sick the society since its doesnt crave morals on childrens nor the parents do that either in many homes.
oh god dammit i wrote a letter =o
Treat them like poultry and livestock then...
Turn them into meat to feed the poor and harvest their organs after they get executed to compensate for all the lives they took...
That way, they will still get back at society for all the damage they did...
Maybe even save the lives of people needing organ transplants...
Let them save lives after their deaths...Through organ harvesting...
fuckin A dude
aye, harvesting organs is a good idea, you can save quite a lot of people with one man.
but eating them its kinda... not my style
not all criminals can be rehabilitated some of them are genetically defunct and could never be rehabilitated...idiot
harvest their organs? experiments? really now.
I'd rather use their organs to save lives than give it to some maggots at the cemetery...
Let them die with dignity, harvest their organs, and then save people with said organs...
We could also throw them into an arena and watch them killing each other off,.. of course we selled tickets to the 'fight' and made millions in the process. We'll call it gladiatorial games. Then again, experimenting is probably the better choice. And if you're waiting for a heart,.. you might as well take the heart of a murderer.
@Chen-04
Gladiator matches is a no-no since they will damage valuable organs and test subjects...So yeah, experimenting is THE only choice...
But only on those who really, really deserve it...
Otherwise...We execute them by good old-fashioned 'snoo-snoo' with monster girls...
My money-making method is both merciful and pleasurable for the death row inmates...
Better than a prayer or a last meal, I'll tell you that much...
They'll be coming and going at the same time in the (death) throes of pleasure...
That reminds me...
There's a new Silent Hill game coming out next year about about a death row inmate in an Otherwordly Prison...Of Silent Hill~
Silent Hill "8":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BVXG_lxpnM
With any discussion of criminal justice, out come the creepy sadists and their puerile revenge fantasies...
@Artefact
Nah, I have no right for revenge...Only punishment and reminders...
The Way of the Pyramid Head...
But I'm also a businessman, so that plays a factor...
Execution and recycling chinese style? Something like that is only possible in countries with fashist government types. That said, it could work in Russia or the USA.
Thumbs up.
Most criminality is caused by defects in the criminal. Like a complete and utter lack of empathy, or an excess of greed, or a lust for power. Most of these things are innate and until we can screen embryos for those traits there's nothing society can do to fix that.
Yes, there are people who are genuinely poor, but they generally try to work hard and live frugally to fix their situation, rather than see if they can steal some stuff.
The argument that criminals are just bored rich kids is even more stupid; a psychopathic killer doesn't maul out of boredom and has no particular need for money to accomplish his goal. And insofar as rich people use their resources (time, money) for evil, they tend to do so completely legally.
There are good reasons to get rid of monetary extremes, but tackling criminality isn't particularly high on that list.
How can one put a value on another's life? So, the other person the individual killed didn't warrant the death sentence, but combined those two lives equate to the killers? I fail to see the logic there.
@ Anon 23:45
"How can one put a value on another's life?"
They used to do it in Europe and, I believe, in the Scandinavian countries.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wergild
"How can one put a value on another's life?"
ever watched a western? XD
And do you know why they call it the lawless west? so much for deterence.
There is also the slight logical problem that if you refuse to put a value on a human life, you're for all intents and purposes assigning a value of $0.
In any case, it's not that odd to put value on a man's life, not even today in western societies. My health insurance policy says that if I die before my best before date comes to pass, from any cause other than suicide, my next of kin will receive several grand.
For me life sentence would be a lot worse than death penalty.
yes only stupid god fearning people think death is worse the life in prison. when you die you're free form any suffering.
I've thought that as well, but have you ever considered what a prisoner on death row might go through every day of their lives?
Just constantly waiting for that day to come, knowing you will be executed eventually but not sure when... If you're from a civilized country the process will likely take many many years... What a mental torture.
Maybe you might find a purpose in life within prison with a life sentence... Surely plenty of time to reflect on mistakes... It's a tough call which sentencing I might favor. Both are pretty damn shitty IMO.
Humans are resilient, they'll put it away to the back of their mind or they'll make peace with it and live until the day the announcement comes then worry.
Ie. There are a lot more nukes being sold on the black market; living in range of a nuclear power plant; stepping out of the bath tub; choking on a pretzel; killed by being knocked into the edge of a soft tofu.
I like it too. Murder 2-3 persons and you get death penalty, send your citizens to die in battle and you get... paid for it. :)
I wonder why those approving DP never ask for it to be applied to men like Steve Jobs or other big politicians/capitalists who indirectly kill and enslave people all over the world.
Business is business, power is power, and the poor people always pay twice for their crimes.
Kill people because you want to -> you're a murdering bastard.. kill people because someone else wants you to -> you're a hero...
No,
kill because you want --> murderer
kill because other pay you --> hitman
kill because your government pays you --> hero
The more I read your comments, the more I rage. How the hell do politicians/capitalists have to do with the criminal committing ah I dunno FUCKING crimes?. And you're over simplifying the cause of crimes as if being poor is the root cause for every crime. Also, with the Steve Jobs analogy, I hope you don't own a Mac.
No I don't own a mac however that can be applied to any of the top richest men on earth. Do you really think they made money by being good-hearted?
http://chinadigitaltimes.net/china/e-waste/
http://www.china-pix.com/multimedia/guiyu/
Wanna bet if I take a chinese in my house and force him to work in that conditions I'll go straight to jail?
Poor is not the root cause of every crime but most of them for sure. Just look at the statistics
http://www.pubdef.ocgov.com/poverty.htm
Being too rich is also a factor, as stated before. Guess what, if you don't have the money to pay food, you get creative not to.. y'know.. starve to death.
Better than the executions being done in f**king China