2ch vs Sankaku Complex: Foreign Otaku “Greedy Thieves”

waitaminute go watch the vid in the boku no pico post XD yoooooooooooo

sancom needs an edit button

The fed will never end.

Anime is "free" (in the television) because of all the advertising. Imagine now how much advertising would be needed to a manga be printed and distributed for free.

And I still can't figure why noone has ever started a "steam" like online manga distribution. As the printing and paper price would be zero, mangas could be distrubuted online for a very lower price than usual.

My answer is still the same...

We shouldn't fight amongst ourselves and work together against the our common enemies...

Illogical Moral Fags and Irrational Feminazis...

Man I can get dragonball manga for 12 bucks on amazon? holy shit! Now if only I didn't have to pay shipping...

And because I forgot to log in I can't edit, but that also brings up the other problem of not everyone can shop on amazon if they don't have a way to pay online - IE not everyone has a fucking credit card.

Right, I'm going to steal this car because I can't afford it. Fucking idiot, not having a credit card is no excuse to steal something you want.

Anything anyone says can be concidered an excuse anyway.
Woopie doo.

I liked the fact they keep saying about pirates when they themself pirate our american games and sold us HALF MADE GAMES (tales of Tales of Vesperia xbox) Next time we should do the same to them translate half made game in japanese than take the profit and make it to a full game than sell it in US.

They keep telling us about pirating their anime, ON THE SECOND HAND, they KEEP PIRATING OUR MOVIES.

Wait. Who said he was stealing it because he didn't have a credit card? Ever consider the fact that he was complaining about the fact that just because prices are technically cheaper online that doesn't mean there aren't pitfalls, such as not having a credit card to buy the stuff, and also having to pay shipping. Fucking retard.

“What do you expect from the American masses? It seems most of them can barely tell Japan and China apart.”

True. You all look like small slit eyed chinky yellow monkeys to us.

Small slit eyed chinky yellow monkeys?

Fat greasy hairy big-nosed pale apes. Is how you guys are described by us. :\

I've been wondering about that. Wouldn't a lot of Japanese people be considered "pale" as well? I mean, I don't always see much of a "yellow" skin.

to be fair, I couldn't tell european apart from whatever country they are from either...it's hard to tell unless you've had experiences with seeing different races of people. Then you still to notice the difference.

I'm European, and I can't even tell Europeans apart.

They keep hating Americans though, I mean, 0/600 people on my online friend-list is American; yet they all speak fluent English. Kinda funny how the Americans gets the beat down for it - wouldn't surprise me if the American population of the English internet is 2%. It also tears when going to Japan, and 70% of all whites are Swedish, yet the Japanese always assumes you're American and goes all creepy racist on your ass.

You're a Jack of all trades!

wasnt it banned before it ever made news?

OH SNAP

Torrents = Foreigners
Foreigners = pirates
so,japanese are also pirates.

Torrents have been invaded by pirates!

if u can get it for free get it. who wouldn't want it for the price of nothing. this just looks like a prime case were pirates beat ninjas. sheesh i think the people of 2ch just have a higher morale code than they should. no one should care about a few crybabies or be lumping all of them together.

OH yeah common sense if something new comes out in japan only. It would mean a japanese person is at the root of the pirating considering its online in hours.

who cares if it's banned or not?
we download it for free anyway, just like our anime, right? right?

What do you expect from the Japanese masses? It seems most of them can barely tell the US and UK apart.

What do you expect from the Japanese masses? It seems most of them can barely tell the US and the UK apart.

It's not a high moral code, kid. It's called hypocrisy, or do you think the japanese, and 2ch'ers at that, pay for their animu and games?

Hypocrisy indeed...No matter what or how high your code of honors and morals are...East or West...We're all pirates...

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Vagabundo 1: YOU WANT SOME TREASURE!?!

Vagabundo 2,3,4: HELL YEAH!!!
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Comiket 78 is around the corner...Let the pirating commence for both sides...

(Snow) Pirates Forever!!!

@KapNap

They don't have a higher moral code. They just have tons of their parents' money.

And really; if they work a job steady enough to creepily plaster their rooms with posters, manga, and figurines as extravagantly as they do, then they need a life before they can even think about attacking pirates.

Japan has claimed to have the greatest warriors in the world.
Japan is getting it's ass digitally handed to itself by pirates, who are at their best unorganized.

Get Fucking Good Japan.

>Getting a life

There's no life outside the 2D world. Fact.

Those people spend their money on official products, you are the hypocrite ones wanting to get rid of the guilt of piracing this stuff by putting the blame on everyone else.
Why do you think Japan has so many titles available? Because people there support it with money while you keep acting as a greedy fucker on the internet, leeching off their work.

There's no excuse to not support an artist you like except for being a shameless thief. "Having a life" is not an excuse.

@Anon 2:46

I'm not excusing anything. I'm proud to call myself one of the potentially biggest pirates on here. Do I buy official products? Not usually. But when I have the money to spend, I do. Am I going to go purchase ero figurines and whatever other crap merchandise are there to trap otaku? No. I have some amount of dignity and better things to spend my money (that I work hard for) on. And there's 'no life outside the 2D world'? I sense you're a sad, sad person.

Walk the plank, son!

Their problem is that they do not make their anime&manga for worldwide publishing to begin with, so any shitty Cartoon Network content could potentially have more success than the best regional anime ever.

Take Ghibli Studios for example... they make it worldwide and they're doing great...

if you want the japanese to come selling to you guys, you should kill 4kids and those moral fags that destroyed most animes/mangas.

Most (and by most I mean like 95% of it) of anime is CRUD. So, with most anime, there isn't anything to be destroyed. It sucked to begin with, and executive meddling from 4kids can only make it better (like Samurai Pizza Cats - really crap Z-class anime that was made legendary by dubbers).

I really am getting tired of everyone complaining about 4kids. I know that they butchered One Piece, but they have learned their lesson and are trying to improve. No one seems to be willing to give them another chance, though...

I'd like some evidence to support this.

whatever the case may be, unless they (the Japanese) release all of their works for western audiences, then there points are useless and retarded.

Also, i think it is funny that lazy f**** that masturbate to everything they see are trying to teach us a lesson about morals.

“Foreigners = pirates.”

Japanese otakus = useless, creepy perverts/pedophiles.

Just saying

(awww, u pissed for me using a stereotype, then stop using stereotypes on us)

nukes, it's how we ask nicely...

nukes -
also a good way to wipe out entertainment u want

wouldnt we make them happy if we nuked china and got rid of half of the worlds piracy issues. maybe they'll give us free manga for that =P

lol stupid white trash go eat a dick

Yeah and everything you'd buy at Walmart will go up 400%

Good luck getting by with your meager salary.

IF there are Walmarts still left running, you mean.

Or if another of them are still alive...

But most likely there won't be, since if any one country launches nukes at another, that country is just going to be nuked to hell, multiple times over, not just in retaliation by the targeted country, but the rest of the nations with nukes too.

NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.

..

StarCraft 2. where races don't matter to anyone, just killing the damn alien threats. with nukes.

:D

lol, here we go again with the nukes...

Lol retards only know how to nuke to solve problems.

I wouldn't call Iranians and Russians retards, they're basically your neighbors and they are basically at spitting distance.

And yet, neither Iran nor Russia have actively nuked another country.

Guns were firing all around me as I ran to the closest ditch I could get to before my ass was shot off. The one I managed to get into luckily had one of my comrades, returning the fire to the Republic of 2ch.

"This war fucking sucks," I yelled between explosions.

"You're telling me," my comrade replied.

This war, between the Republic of 2ch and the country of SankakuComplex, has been raging for almost a month, neither side gaining any ground. Both sides were literally at a standstill as nobody could cross No Man's Land without having their limbs blown off from bombs and their bodies turned to swiss cheese from machine gun bullets.

It all started with a simple news article within the country of SankakuComplex, and the comments made by the country's citizens. The Republic of 2ch, having heard of the commotion from their spies, became furious and launched a full scale attack. SankakuComplex wasn't ready for such a large scale conflict and lost one of its biggest cities in the initial attack. They sent out messengers to try and get as much help from the world power, 4Chan, but help has yet to arrive.

"I don't really see why 2ch would attack such a small country. What purpose does it have?"

"Just to flex it's muscles to the rest of the world?" my comrade guessed.

"That's fine and dandy, but we're literally a middle of nowhere country with limited resources and nothing worth taking. You would think they would attack a bigger entity."

"But that would just bring nuclear fallout."

"How so?" I asked.

"Think about it. 4chan and 2ch have over a thousand nukes. If either one of them were to piss off the other, the entire world would suffer from their conflict. However, if they were to attack a country that the other didn't give a shit about, then they have nothing to worry about. Kind of like how 4Chan attacked Australia and 2ch turned a blind eye. It's the same situation here. I really doubt any help from 4chan would come any time soon unless an idiot from 2ch would attack one of their strongholds."

"God help us."

A third soldier had jumped into the trench, having run out of ammo.

"Do you guys have any ammo to spare?" the soldier asked.

"Sorry bud, but we got enough for ourselves here. Why not move back and get some from the back lines?"

"Fuck that! I'm not turning my back to those bastards. I want my free manga and anime."

"You see," I said to my comrade, "this is why we get into dumbass wars like these."

"What are you talking about?" the third soldier asked.

"It's because of that mentality 2ch hates us. We steal anime and manga by the carrier load, and you wonder why their pissed off?"

"Well," the soldier stuttered, "they steal our films and music as well, so it's even."

"No it's not! Yes, piracy will exist regardless of how this war ends, but the problem is that a lot of them do buy or films and music. Meanwhile, it's the opposite on our lines. There is manga and anime to buy here, but the majority would rather not and just get it for free on the internet."

"But the stuff I want isn't going to get licensed."

"How the hell do you know that? If there's enough interest, a company will try and license it."

"But they won't because previous attempts at licensing those kinds of series has failed in our markets."

"Because nobody fucking BOUGHT the damn things! Hell, did you even buy the similar manga/anime that was available?"

"No."

"And that's where the problem starts. If you really want a certain style or genre to come to our markets, buy the ones that manage to do first and the companies will be more willing to license the others."

"But I don't have any money."

"Then just become an assassin. They get shit tons of money for little work, maybe 5 minutes of real work, and as long as people are alive there is always a job market. A recession will never get rid of the assassin market."

"That sounds like a good idea," the soldier said as he scratched the tip of his neckbeard.

"Then go out there and start assassinating people." I pushed the soldier back out onto the field. He began to scream as he ran towards 2ch's front lines. In seconds, his screaming ceased.

"You know he didn't have ammo," my comrade pointed out.

"I know. Ain't I a stinker sometimes?"

As the two of us began to laugh, a stray grenade landed between the two of us.

""OF FUCK!!""

My comrade pushed me out of the way and jumped onto the grenade. His body was torn apart in the split of a second. Bits and pieces of flesh landed on my helmet and uniform, as if raining down from the sky.

"Dammit! Comrade! God fucking dammit!"

In the end, 4Chan did get into the conflict for the lulz. In desperation, 2ch launched its nukes, as did 4Chan. They whistled in the sky before descending towards the ground, creating a forest of mushrooms all around the world.

When the neckbeard bitches on the internet, nobody survives.

.....many years later the second SANKAKU/2chan war begins, and new weapons are deployed to the frontlines

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYuQ34xlAmI

To Peter Barton:

I really like how you described this war.
Very true. -.-

i was moved to tears
.... no, seriously

@Anon: You're actually on to something...

holy shit, someone with a brain.

lets go a step further and say if they block it all everyone will be happy. fansubers can hit up the anime, scanlaters can do the manga.

most the shit worth reading never comes to america anyway, so the fuck do i care where i get it from.

And this is why I don't understand their outrage.

Zero sales minus zero payment equals...let me just grab my calculator for this one...zero

Weren't the owners of One Manga making money off advertisements though? Wasn't that a big issue here?

My memory is failing me.

Sadly that's not completely true, it is true that they do not directly distribute outside of Japan, therefore in theory they won't lose any protential sales.

Our only legit way of obtaining said translated material is via foreign publishers to BUY the rights to the licences and make the translations. Hang on a moment what publisher is going to obtain rights to a series when it has been read by everyone and their pet monkey via sub/translation groups?

Furthermore IMO here, Publishers will have to increase the price to cover the lower than expected volumes of sales, this is where the vicious circle begins. As we go online to find the cheaper option (Free), foreign publishers stop obtaining lisences, original publishers lose royalties/lisceners and mangaka's lose out too. Thus we have the angry 2ch,

one problem there tho, mangakas get payed for pages by their publisher and the publisher sells the licenses... so in the end the mangakas could care less cause they wont get any profit out of oversea sales anyway

@Chi: In italy a company bought the rights for Gurren Lagann, Code Geass and Haruhi, all three products which were seen and loved a lot on the net.
And they sold a crapload of dvd's. So, frankly, I think that aiming at the collectors it's not a bad idea.

One Manga made a killing on advertising, so they were distributing basically for profit. One Manga ownership was no saint, they knew hat they were doing. Japanese are outraged because they are dumb enough to keep paying ridiculous amounts for manga and anime when people are getting it for free or so it seems from their comments. If publishers did make a steam like service for manga they would rake in dough, but they're too afraid of technogoblins to do so.

it's not "being dumb".
Artists need money to eat and keep working. No money, no more manga for you.
The true manga fans understand it, unlike you guys who can think only of your own well-being and getting everything you can for free.

That's true but sharing something like an Anime or Manga online to the International Community is quite hard, especially those with any characters that look underage or that have explicit scenes (either sex or violence).

This would be because of the various moral fanatic groups in the countries around the world, especially those who are economic powers.

To legally share something internationally, you would need licenses for that product from those very same countries (and a few others if you plan to distribute there)

If those same moral fanatic groups get word, they will make some story up about how all anime and manga is bad, simply by choosing the one scene in a whole series that is almost guaranteed to incite public anger, and selling their story to the media.

In that case, the government who approved of the anime or manga previously, would be pressured into taking down that anime or manga, causing collateral damage that may bring down the business that was releasing those products online, and also prevent future anime and manga being sold in that country, or they would be heavily censored.

TL;DR: Sharing anime and manga online isn't as easy to do as you think and various moral fanatics or religious groups would be against it making it hard to import it into a country with those groups.

Well.. isn't that the problem of japanese otakus? I mean, if I was a girl I probably wouldn't be interested in a guy that lives from the money of his parents and has a room full of ero figurines..

Only if you were actively robbing the plane at that time.

"AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRHH!!!" ‹-----Not until you add this to your vocabulary.

You're probably a pirate too...

YES I AM

got a problem?

Yo Ho! All Together! Hoist the colours high! Heave-ho! Theives and Beggars! Ne'er shall we DIE!

YEEARGH, WE ALL BE PIRATES MI LADS! AND WE BE WALKIN THE PLANK TE DAVY JONES LOCKER!

WE BE AFTER YE BOOTY, AND THE ALLURE OF THEM GOLDEN DUBLOONS!

YEAAAAAAARAHRHAHRAHHRH *Gurgle*

... Ahem.

Or the Communists.

Personally, I blame the rap music

Before then Iraq and The United States held hands and sang kumbaya together

or aliens

Yeah, but the other sites' 'free' comes with their own hassles, namely them all not being in high def, being laden with ads, etc.

Crunchyroll releases are actually decently fast nowadays. Barring their 1 week exclusivity deal of course..

well technically they have subbed versions the day after the japanese airing date for their premium subscribers on crunchyroll, the price is like $5 a month for high def streaming subbed the day after the japanese air date, not a bad deal once you think about it, if you want free, you will have to wait a week for the standard def subs with ads. crunchyroll is one of the nice examples of how the american anime industry is smartening up, though in my opinion, its too little too late, if they want to keep anime alive, they had better start releasing everything left and right to catch up...
and another thing, most of the people who pirate arent going to go out and spend money on the product if they couldn't pirate it anyways... so piracy really doesnt affect sales in my opinion to the point where its a problem.
plus i understand mangaka and others working in the anime industry deserve money for their works, but as far as i know, the publishers take almost all of the profits from a series and give the mangaka and other hard working men and women almost nothing. i would rather directly give my money to the mangaka and the like then hand it to the publishers and hope for a "trickle down effect" that way we could make it cheaper to get the finished product so people wont bitch about piracy and crap.
and i would have to comment about one-manga as well, without sites like onemanga, there would be many series that would not have been brought overseas from Japan. just take a look at naruto as an example, its an extremely popular series in the west, and im sure that almost all of its popularity was due to the fact it was spread on the internet for free in english, even before the anime was brought overseas it had a huge following. so the manga and anime publishers dont seem to understand how much "free"/very cheap distribution can benefit them.

Crunchyroll was actually considering getting manga to the site as well. But there was a lot of legal stuff that had to be worked out before it would happen.

On a side note, I ordered a CD a month back or so, yet to get it. So I downloaded the songs because I got tired of waiting.

Though I wouldn't say Crunchyroll releases in HD either, it seems like scaled up SD.

Even if the source was originally HD, the stream format will kill the HD quality of it anyways and I like my anime in HD.

I'd rather be able to download a HD MKV file and archive it before watching it, than watching a streamed version any day.

Well i wouldnt know, i havent actually tried their paid service. the thing is, crunchyroll has vastly improved over the last year or so, thanks to a multi-million dollar investment that was made in them. I think its a decent deal for now, but they really need to pick up more series for me to fully consider subscribing to a paid service...
yes, i would prefer to be able to download a HD 720 or 1080 version of the anime and keep in on my computer, but the thing is, if they allowed that, then they would have to jack up the prices... since that would probably use up a heck of a lot more bandwidth, and theres the fact that its allot harder to control who has the file after you allow it for download.
the reason why people should try to support legit sources when possible is the fact that there are some major issues in being able to be sustainable on the internet, at this point, allot of companies are in the red and will most likely drop out of the business, which means less anime available overall since less money is going to japan to make anime. I respect some companies that are making a real effort to keep anime alive like crunchyroll and funimation and the like, the least we can do to keep what we love alive is support them when possible, which i understand for most of us, is only on occasion with the prices of anime and manga right now.
I think the best way to keep anime alive and improve sales and profitability for anime and manga is to change how publishers work. they are the real problem in my opinion, they may help distribute the material, but in the age of the internet, they are much less useful, there isnt nearly as much work to do to distribute things if its on the internet, so i think they really need to stop taking so much of the profit made from their sales, let the creators of the anime and manga get a good chunk of the money, and lower prices in general so that more people are willing to pay for the legit thing. they need to learn that physical media is not nearly as wanted these days, the same way that newspapers are dying, no one needs the physical thing anymore, since they can get all that they want from it in digital form with little effort and cheaper. with that extra money saved from digital distribution, they can streamline physical product distribution too for the people that want to have the physical thing, less glitzy crap means more affordable. they got most of their manga in Japan printed on newspaper quality paper books and they are smaller than the US versions, I look at the US releases and they are printed on good quality thick pure white paper with thick expensive looking glossy covers compared to their japanese counterparts, then i look at the price, and feel like vomiting. $11 in the US vs ¥500 in JPN :(
in general, the anime and manga industry needs to adapt to the consumers, or die. offer free stuff(so you can get some ad revenue to at least break even, while boosting popularity) then offer premium services for a low price that can be considered a good deal. then change how each person in the process is paid, since mangaka/animators usually arent making enough to justify how hard they work.
but thats just my very large two cents about this issue. hope you enjoyed reading that food for thought.

I subscribed to CR before when it went legal. Then I got barred from watching shows that I actually wanted to watch "due to licensing issues". When back to the high seas even before I finished my subscription period.

as i have said before, they have been improving over time, if you check right now, its actually not bad. ive had bad experiences with CR in the past as well, I still cant bring myself to pay for their service since their selection of series is still kinda puny. but i must say, they are really putting a serious effort to improve themselves.

But it's fucking hard to questioning yourself. Blaming others don't take much energy so you can blame a lot of people for your mistakes (a.k.a whole China, whole western and THze Damz Koreans wo try to invad mother Nihon OMG FTW LOL XLOLZ...)

I have the same problem :C I still pay for crunchyroll.. and pirate the licensing issues ;P