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I thought Nintendo was first in like 80% of all video games innovations...

You thought wrong.

No, he's right. They were the first to implement rumble, the first to use an analog joystick on a home console, the first to implement save features and most recently, the first to utilize motion controls and touch screens. And these are only the more obvious ones.

they are first in sales...

Hardware wise, Yes the PS3 is the most powerful. But I wouldn't call that innovation.

What has Sony ever done that was so innovative?

Sony was the first to have CDs used in their system. This was Playstation. Everyone else didnt. Also not only brought CDs in gaming but 3D gaming as well, with the introduction to Final Fantasy 7.

Other than that........maybe you cant hack their system was innovating? Lol im more of a nintendo person. *shrugs*

Well you seem to be someone who doesn't know what there talking about. FF7 was released in 1997 where Super Mario 64, which was a game entirely in 3d came out in 1996. Also sega had the Mega CD for CD play with the Mega Drive in 1991 so they had CD play for a lot longer than sony's ps1. Don't talk, you'll just make yourself seem more stupid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3DO_Interactive_Multiplayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cd-i
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_CD32
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_cd

"Sony was the first to have CDs used in their system." No. No, they weren't.

This is a Nintendo article, please keep your Sony cocksucking, dickriding fandom to yourself. Nintendo had a lot of firsts in gaming history, enough said. I for one can't wait to see what they come out with, I am always impressed by what the guys at Nintendo bring.

Actually, Atari 5200 was the first with an analog stick, not Nintendo.

Sony was the first with blue ray discs though...

First for CD in a console would be the NEC PC Engine, which was remarkably successful in Japan. By the time the PlayStation came out, Sega were already on their second CD-ROM machine, and arcades had been using Laserdiscs for at least 11 years.

Most innovations are found in arcades. Analogue sticks, certainly, and there were several pre-N64 console versions like the Megadrive's AX-1E. 3D goes back to Battlezone I think in 1980, and full colour polygons in 1983 with I, Robot. Motion sensors were seen in things like Sega's fishing games and Samba de Amigo long before the Wii, and they had the Activator for the Genesis. Rumble is a poor relation to force feedback in gun and driving games. Touch screens were done with the Sega Pico, although there also used to be lightpens back in the CRT screen days.

Nintendo haven't really innovated much at all, and used to be notorious for not adapting to new technologies. But they are very good at marketing themselves so people think otherwise.

The 3DS is mainly a DS with motion sensors and a 3D lenticular display, which has been seen before in the form of add-on plastic covers for the screens of other handheld devices. It's not really doing anything that some phones from 2006 couldn't do, although it does have the advantage of some decent buttons and a good back-catalogue.

Also some clarification, when I said they were the first to develop analogue sticks in home consoles, I meant the thumb analogue controls that we are familiar with today, as opposed to the "joysticks" that require you to use your entire hand.

Nah, the AX-E1's analogue sticks were thumbsticks, not joysticks.

I'm not sure of exactly when it came out, but I'd guess 1990.

AX-E1? I am definitely not familiar with it...

While the Intellivision used a sort of d-pad tilting disc in its controller, the Colecovision used a very similar layout, and a small (wide by today's standards) thumbstick.

Sony was the first to have CDs used in their system. This was Playstation. Everyone else didnt. Also not only brought CDs in gaming but 3D gaming as well, with the introduction to Final Fantasy 7.
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The PSX (Playstations Codename) was actually planned to be an ADD ON FOR THE FRIGGIN SNES.

Nintendo wanted Sony to build an Add-on for their SNES, but ditched it... and Sony.
Sony went on and wrote Console History with the Help of Nintendo.
If it wasn't for Nintendo, there would've never been a Sony Playstation to begin with.

The Playstation didn't bring us 3D Gaming as well. What the Fuck are you talking about? Virtua Fighter and Virtua Racing were the first 3D Games made on Consoles before and they were made for the Sega Genisis (ported from the Arcades back then).

Don't get me wrong, I love the PSX, I grew up with the SNES and PSX, but Sony never invented something on their own except maybe the Eyetoy.

I'm pretty sure there where 3D games before FF 7, if only on the PC...

Nintendo!
First in innovation, last in quality!

The Wiimote was a gimmick that got in the way of gaming in most cases, very few games that used it were enjoyable to play with it. Thankfully, we could still use Gamecube controllers, LOL~

I was disappointed when Sony copied the tool, and I'm just as disappointed with the motion tracking performance on Microsoft's end.

The Nintendo fanboys should keep in mind Nintendo's recent track record of marketing to casual gaming at the expense of any real gaming before they blow their wad at this 'new' console.

super nintendo had a 3-d game called "3D ballz" it was released in 1994. just throwing that out there.

Sony was actually the first to implement motion controls. You may have heard of this little device called the Eye Toy for the PS2. The Sixaxis motion controller also shipped with the PS3 which technically launched before the Wii as well. They're also the most aggressive at pushing new and advanced hardware. It may not be "innovative" in the way that some other features are viewed, but it's definitely bleeding edge tech. From DVD players and the emotion engine in the PS2, to Blu-Ray and the Cell processor (and subsequently, PS3 linking) in the PS3.

Where Sony really shines though is 3rd party relations. Establishing features and qualities that developers favor so that they make games for their system (Which is also what MS is really good at, which is why the 360 is stealing some of the PS3's thunder this gen). Nintendo can innovate as much as they'd like, but when all that's available on their system is Mario and Zelda, gamers aren't going to flock to it.

The AX-E1 didn't work with many games, but was compatible with the Megadrive, Sharp X68000 and also the PC Engine I think. Look it up. It looks a lot like the Saturn NiGHTS pad. Which in turn, although announced after the N64, it added analogue control to several pre-N64 games like Panzer Dragoon and Sega Rally. So quite a bit of forward thinking went into that one.

Sony also went to Sega to develop a console pre-PlayStation. Sega of America were all for the idea, but Sega of Japan weren't.

There were loads of 3D games prior to the Virtua series. Hard Drivin' is a pretty famous one that was released on several home formats. But as I said before, they really go back to the early '80s.

Eyetoy wasn't the first video camera to work with a console. The Dreamcast had the Dreameye, which was pretty cool as it also worked as a digital camera when separated from the DC. And there was one for the Gameboy, although that didn't do much other than take crap pictures as a novelty.

It doesn't really matter if Sony innovated.
In the past, their business philosophy was simply "Dirt cheap console, tons of games."
It worked and their consoles were the best of their respective generations. That's the simple fact.

All the bells and whistles of Nintendo's consoles and accessories are worth a warm pitcher of spittle in comparison to an expansive, high quality selection of games.

"Sony was actually the first to implement motion controls. You may have heard of this little device called the Eye Toy for the PS2"

Not to troll on ya but if you go like that there's the nintendo power glove... long time before the eye toy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Glove

Ok, it was crap, but still...

Didn't the PS3 launch for $799? Also notorious for being extremely difficult to develop on thus having an initial software drought.

The PS2 was also more expensive at launch than the other consoles.

Playstation and PSP too.

So my question is, where did you get the idea that 'dirt cheap consoles' is part of their philosophy?

I wonder if anyone made any references to the Sony's PS2's Eyetoy's Magic Wand... Damn that was an ugly first concept of motion control.

Which technically makes Nintendo the copycat in that department... But not like anybody gives a fuck.

Not to be a Sony fanboy, but Sony had the first DUAL analog controller, which was quickly ripped off by everyone. Also: Why the fuck have they not swapped the second analog stick and the D-Pad yet -_-... I'm sorry, but sony fails at ergonomics. My hand is a shapely claw from long hours of video game playing, and it's shaped in such a way that my left thumb is naturally positioned where their D-pad is. Bunch of assholes, not catering to their own customers needs..

Sony ended two debates for home consoles: media format, and graphic strength. Sony's first Playstation had 32-bit graphics at a time when everyone else was ramping up to 64-bit. N64 was constrained by the relatively small size available for cartridges (FF7 was the first of the franchise not to be on a Nintendo system specifically because Sakaguchi wanted to make a bigger, more visual game than was possible on a cart), and developing for the Saturn was incredibly complicated. At the end of the day, the cheaper PS1 with its lower-powered hardware ended up having the best graphics of its generation, owing to the larger space available for textures on the discs.

Pretty much the same thing happened with the PS2: more disc space meant better graphics in spite of quantitatively inferior hardware, and having a built-in DVD player didn't hurt, either.

With the PS3, they decided to go big, and it blew up in their faces.

Remember the PoWER GLOVE? First motion controls!!! If you look it up it is pretty much the same as the Wii Remote!! Nintendo for the win!!!

The only thing Sony did that was 'innovative' was the use of DVDs in the PS2 in a time when DVDs were not a widely accepted medium. When the PSX decided to use CDs, they were a relatively accepted medium thanks to music cds.
Dual thumbsticks could also be somewhat attributed to the PS2, but thumbsticks themselves were innovated much earlier.

Awww, come on.
Just a name please???

It's not like when "Wii" was announced, did we think it was gonna be a remote strapped to our hands and go "Weeeeee" literally...

Like "WWIII"...

OH SHIT!

The Nintendo Why

The name "Wii" came out LAST.
They told us what it was like 2 years before release. It was called The Nintendo Revolution for a long time remember?

It was also known as the Dolphin before the Revolution tag got pasted on it.

The Dolphin was actually the Gamecubes codename, hth

Actually Nintendo copied Sony with the whole wiimote thing. The had the move created for the PS2 10 years ago, but didn't do anything with it until Nintendo took their idea and made it popular.

Sony and Microsoft may have to team up to beat Nintendo at this rate.

Imagine, Miku project Diva with Kinect.

Oh wait that's dance dance revolution. But I'd still play it anyway just to see Haku bend over.

I'll go ahead and quote that other Anon's comment "Yes, because hiring outside developers is the same as stealing their ideas", because it seems you completely missed it.

Of course companies use others to do work for them, to bring new ideas and solutions, or to produce and optimize the financials of mass producing hardware, to come up with market strategies, and so on and so forth. So what it Nintendo hired an external company to come up with their controller?

The fact remains - Nintendo was extremely successful, and Sony and Microsoft copied it as they too wanted a piece of that success. I'm NOT saying it's wrong of them - I'm just saying it's completely 110% obvious that they did copy Nintendo, especially Sony. It doesn't matter that the technology behind it is different because for the consumer/player they work exactly the same.

But Nintendo did it well and they responded to it as "We'll met your wii mote...and raise you a camera!". The move is even marketed as the wii killer. It's about presentation...and they presented very much so in the light of "we did the same thing but better...that's why it took so long.".

Lovely, the Wii Killer is ready for sale, short time before the next generation Wii.

I have to say there is a big difference between Eye Toy and the Wiimote.

Eye Toy was all about having you, your face on screed and reading all your movements without the use of a controller.

The Wiimote don't read all your movements, don't care shit about what your face looks like and is still using a controller.

Sure they can track ONE HAND which is the one holding the Wiimote, but they don't track the nunchuck, only respond to it's sudden movements.

Nothing can kill the Wii, everyone already has one.

But how much do you play on it?

Yeah...

Wow, some of the guys at Sony made a program to capture video and apply post effects depending on the position of colored balls. How could they possibly figure out which ball was in front of the other? It doesn't look like there is any way to tell how close a ball is to the camera. That Z-buffer is black magic!

/sarcasm

To their credit, the game design guys in my college can't successfully do this... And we are already in 2010.

Then I'm going for Peach.

And I'm going to have to go with Orange

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I like Orange.

Grape anyone?

Pineapple, suck it apple.

Watermellon anyone?

Rape?

What's worse than rape?

Gay rape...