Western RPGs vs Japanese RPGs
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Aug 4, 2010 21:11 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Marketing, Namco Bandai, Production Controversy, RPG, Square Enix
Japanese RPG fans have been confronted by this provocative ad, pointing out some of the most hackneyed aspects of the genre.
The translated placards, coming as part of the Japanese release campaign for Fallout: New Vegas:
“I think it would be good if the hero had missions that weren’t only about destroying evil.”
“The player is weak, the enemy is weak. That’s way too convenient.”
“When did games become something you watch?”
“Because the story doesn’t change, what’s the point of playing it again?”
“Games nowadays are focusing way too much on photorealism.”
“What’s a game that’s moving in accordance to the scenario? It’s the same as living on rails.”
“Levelling up is time for motivation down!”
“The stage has been set. After that, you’re free to do whatever!”
Although the endless succession of Bioware-style RPGs with essentially identical structure and gameplay conventions hardly qualify as original, they may well have earned the right to take potshots at the unbelievably staid Japanese RPG genre by dint of sheer commercial success – whilst JRPG sales continue to decline even in Japan.
Fallout, like any top western title, can probably be expected to bomb hopelessly in Japan – meanwhile Namco plans yet another Tales game and Nippon Ichi already has the latest in its backwards Disgaea series lined up…









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It's true that many of Bioware's game share similar mechanics among them, but how can you say Fallout is even REMOTELY similar to a Bioware game?
About the only similarity is that they're RPG's...
not nearly as much weeaboo retardation as i thought there would be here....kinda disappointing really.
Lol, JRPG's better keep being stale.
I still have several decades worth of money to give them.
I fail to see where the "RPG" comes into play in "JRPGs." Cut scenes don't make a role playing game, your character and the choices he or she makes does! Not that I have anything against "JRPGs," I just think it's a mistag for Action/Adventure.
Square just should make games like Dragon Quest VI
and stop all the final fantasy madness....its time for something new with less "emoness" i allready get depressed when i think of FF
anyways i hate that western RPGs always have to be so "ughhhh! Manly western man ugh realistic style uugh how about new graphic methods"?
Some of things in that ad are also true about JRPGs. “When did games become something you watch?” Are you serious? Most JRPGs are five minutes of gameplay then switch to 30 minute cut scenes, its more of a movie than a game.
That could be said about a lot of Western games also. Mass Effect 2 had ample amount of cut scenes, Heavy Rain was primarily designed as a movie first with quicktime events thrown in. Movie/Cut scenes are found in a lot of games nowadays, it doesn't really make a difference if it's Western or Japanese. To target specifically on Japanese games only is pointless.
You mean... most "modern" japan rpgs.
There are a lot of excellent jrpg games like Chrono Trigger/cross, ff IV, x, tales of...
someone else thought about ff13 now?
Lots of JRPG fanboys in here...
One common complaint I have with JRPGs and WRPGs is that they all idolize your figure for the most part and generally makes the rest of the game tailor to the actions you make. I prefer what I've been seeing in a lot of Eastern European games in general where they have you as some average person pretty much no random person will care about, where the odds are completely stacked against you if anything. It's a really fresh perspective to see in an RPG, and it can make the game quite challenging.
It's funny how the comments really rack up when it concerns weeaboos and their "lifestyle."
Allot of you waste your life on petty arguments that won't change another groups' minds.
But yet, that sad fact doesn't stop any of you huh...
oh the irony in this post...
Truth hurts huh, god forbid the admin of this site had to take it down.
What would you little weeboos do with all your free time now?
Probably smash you keyboards in, cause you all can't have your regular daily fag-wars no more.
aaaaahhhhh the i-r-o-n-y in your post~~~~~~
Because WRPG developers totally aren't regurgitating old PC rpgs with shiny new graphics and horribly dumbed down everything for mass market appeal. Nope.
They're still playable. JRPGs aren't.
They aren't, dumbshit. Your attempt at sarcasm has totally failed.
I wouldn't know about WRPGs, since I haven't played many. And honestly, I'm new to this whole calling them "WRPG" and "JRPG" thing, I used to just call them all "RPGs".
But I do know that JRPGs are going down-hill.
WRPGs have been the reigning king for a decade now. Any naysayers are just weeaboos. I'm aware of the site we're now, but I'm only here to fap to delicious 2D & some 3D as well as read funny articles, I wouldn't talk to the disgusting 95% of the site's viewers.
Regardless, we got some decent JRPGs like DQ, Pokemon along with new IPs like TWEWY but overall the genre is an ocean of urine & feces.
never have truer words been said.
Although I enjoy most JRPGs I have to say that they really are becoming too focused on creating more realistic graphics, I personally enjoy the game more when the graphics are less realistic and actually look like their manga drawn forms. I agree with the concept that they have become too repetative, perhaps in an attempt to create another RPG legend on par with ff7 and 8 and perhaps Chrono trigger. Perhaps they should take aspects from both western and japanese RP games like combining the fantasy and designs of the final fantasy/ dragon quest series and combining it with the free roaming and path choosing capabilities like Fable etc
What other JRPG besides FFXIII has nice graphics or non-manga style graphics in the game? Yeah BANDWAGON!
wrpg art is shit
i cant take it, even its only 3minutes
Flame war...
Flame war never changes...
it's an self actualization
win
i don't think it's portray the whole Japanese game market. looks at the people holding the placard. they looks like people that only play casual games and never tried rpg before
some people still enjoying the old style jrpg that's why dragon quest series is still a hit there
It's sad, JRPG used to be king. And a highlight in all of gaming, in which you really felt like you got your money's worth to see those amazing graphics on the SNES, well laid out levels and battle systems, good storyline/plot, multiple endings, new game+, 60+ hours of gameplay, and the like.
Now most of them have just become something plain and stale. It's just like what happened with Rareware and Sonic games, why does everything good have to die?
Even some of the best that is still left within the genre right now, Tales of games, are becoming completely isolated from the fans and even the ones in Japan are being betrayed.
I've practically given up on the RPG at this point, aside from my desire to see if Square ever fixes itself, an interest in maybe trying out Fallout 3, Tales of games I'm never going to get a US release for, Pokemon, and just having a variety of gaming in general. ... My gaming life has pretty much shifted to STGs and other type games at this point...
And I used to play mostly JRPGs.
miss games in the past...
Super Nintendo was the golden age of RPGs. (In particular JRPGs) Where series such as Breath of Fire, Lufia, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger all got their starts. That time is long gone. As an avid gamer who loves RPGs I now have difficulty finding ones I want to play, I'd rather just replay Earthbound or Final Fantasy III (Japan's FF6) than buy a new one. The cinematics, story rehashing and plain lack of originality leaves me wanting.
As a westeren gamer, I must say I vastly prefer JRPGS. Planscape:Torment, System Shock 2 and Arcanum are among the very few WRPGs that I like.
Try Fallout & Fallout 2 (Arcanum was made by Trokia, a company formed from the remnants of Black Isle which was also responsible for planescape)
On the same premise, Obsidian is another company formed of the same team members. As is Bioware, So things like Star Wars KotoR and Dragon Age Origins.
All of the above are shining examples of western RPGs, showing you do have taste (being drawn towards Black Isle) just you haven't found the games that properly appeal to your tastes.
While I really dislike Bethesda and Fallout 3, Obsidian has most of the reigns for New Vegas (besides really Bethesda's retarded adaptations to the series thus far) and I have faith in Obsidian. It will end up good.
Really most of the good western rpgs have Black Isle as a common trait in their lineage.
You have pretty shitty taste then
Planescape and system shock 2 are decent games, Planescape torment just has a lot of text to read, so ADHD idiots like you can't understand it.
Anyone saying Planescape and System shock 2 are bad clearly have never played these games.
We need more JRPGs like Demon's Souls.
suck on it japan, America is better.
“The player is weak, the enemy is weak. That’s way too convenient.”
soooo.... do you want to keep getting murdered by strong ass monsters? yeah that sounds like a fun game
seriously why are people complaining about this shit. It's tradition to have JRPG's cliched like this. if you have a problem then fucking ditch it and play some WoW or some shit.
i don't know if you ever played wow... but
players are weak and enemies are joke, and raids are roll your face on keyboard I'm doing 14K dps.... so yea.... i'd say "The player is weak, the enemy is weak. That's way too convenient." fits with wow....
My thoughts exactly, Taz. People love to shout the word "cliche" because they're idiots who can't stand any two things having any similarities whatsoever. They are the same people who consider anything remotely convenient or timely to be "Deus Ex Machina".
“The player is weak, the enemy is weak. That’s way too convenient.”
sooo... do you want to keep getting murdered by strong ass monsters and not progress in the game? that sounds like a fun game, definitely.
like come on people, this is the style and tradition of JRPG's, i wouldn't like JRPG's to be convereted to WRPG format, it would lose its value in my opinion. i mean, that's why we have two different genres right?? so people can choose?
"I think it would be good if the hero had missions that weren't only about destroying evil."
Duh! That's what 'heroes' do, Dude! If they had missions like 'Steal milk money from 3rd grader' or 'Knock over liquor store', they would be called 'villains', But maybe it's different in Japan?
I feel as if JRPGs have become so mundane and frankly obselete. The only reason Final Fantasy XIII will become a success is because of the fans undying loyalty, but where does it come from? The FF series has become a hype, and thoigh this may also be true for WRPGs like the Fallout series, Fallout is a lot newer with fewer titles yet has really risen in the competition and declared itself a vital componant to gameplaying. I for one am tired of the Final Fantasy series after XII came out, and I think that after FFIX, maybe the series should have stopped. Fallout however does offer a more satisfying replay. When the story doesn't get so defined and the players actions matter more, that means more, instead of levelling up the right way or the wrong way.
I am a huge fan of FFIII, FFVI, FFIX, but after that, the series died. X and XII were utter emo let downs.
Fallout however, is still new, and has kept me interested in the post apocalyptic future, and I can't wait to decide to play good guy/bad guy in New Vegas!
Let's face it, Japan is starting to suck...
I love you.
Btw go to the mojave with only a .357 or .44 magnum. Become pistolero.
I've always thought JRPG's like Final Fantasy were lazy, because your always on rails. Why can't there be a JRPG that is open ended like Zelda or Oblivion? That way you can create your own stories and it rarely gets boring.
since when is Zelda of all things open.....
Because you get bored to be in that fictional world.
What do you feel to be throwed in a world with quests but nothing in especial to do?
For a people like me what get bored with GTA, JRPG does a good job.
GTA is not RPG. You failed sir.
No comments about Metal Max 3?
i've never liked a wrpg...
How about you all STFU and play the games you like and ignore the ones you don't. Unless you like getting into arguments, then carry on.