2ch on Sankaku & One Manga: “Dirty Foreign Scum!”

The problem is that those who grow with the "free beer" mentality that makes them assume they own (or are somehow entitled to have) anything made for the public to use.

Dude, post something about Japanese people in /b/ and you'll get the same thing, just vice-versa, people are people everywhere, it's pirating, there's no reason to be mad, it was good while it lasted, piracy is not dead, get over it.

Some comments were really laugh worthy though, nice.

Yo dog, I heard you like to troll. So we put Jap trolls, in your Sankaku, so you can troll while you get trolled!

Taking down the websites won't "prevent future generations from reading/taking an interest in/buying manga". All it will do is force the people who read it for free either A: go somewhere else to pirate it, B: go to Borders/Barnes and Nobles and take a volume off the shelf, buy a coffee, read it, then put it back on the shelf and go home, or C: actually buy it.

The whole One Manga fiasco was rather terrible and, to a point, the users at 2ch have a right to hate us. Fan translations were suppose to be just that, fan translations that someone does for free, hand it to friends and people who go to your website/irc, and be happy they get to even read it. All one manga did was take the free translations, host it on an easy to use website, and sit back and let advertising checks roll in while doing absolutely nothing.

I have used One Manga before, so I can't say that I'm free of guilt (I enjoyed the little of The World God Only Knows that I read), but everyone needs to move on and go do something else instead of saying each country's internet users need to die.

I imagine these particular Japanese have nothing better to do than to guard their homes and complain about something stupid? This is all stupid, really.

Japan, just save me a trophy wife virgin for when I arrive, okay? I'm not here to steal your manga. Some white pigs are, but I prefer cumming in a Japanese girl's mouth and supplying newborns for your country's population deficit.

"the users at 2ch have a right to hate us."
lol wat?
Japanese publishers may have the right to hate us, even though they never considered us part of their market and onemanga being gone changes nothing about their sales figures

Western publishers on the other hand have every right to hate us as onemanga actively destroyed their market.

Japanese peasants on the other hand have the right to shut up and continue with their sad and hateful lifes.

I laugh at anyone who thinks one manga was some how the moral high road. They, like the people downloading from them, are thieves. There is no question about that FACT.

Definitely. OneManga was pretty much just a hub for free fan translations. I never used OneManga myself - I prefer to download, a personal thing - but I can appreaciate that many did because of convenience.

As an example, I may never have come to read Dance in the Vampire Bund if not for previewing it on the internet.

I don't mind those sites that do it for free, with some advertising or whatever (afterall, they need to pay maintenance and upkeep and whatnot), but whenever I encountered a site that required a subscription fee of some kind or other - of which I encountered a fair few - I always seethed; because that's when they're really hurting the industry, by making their site into a true business. There are laws of economics involved which are too lengthy/detailed to state here, but it basically comes down to you pay based on percieved enjoyment.

And there is always the argument for more exposure. The number of series that don't get licensed because of any number of factors means that without fan translations, we'd miss out on many series.

But somehow, I think this is an age old debate that shall never end until publishers start realising why these fan sites work, and why their models don't in comparison.

Impossible to ever take anything they fucking say seriously, all I ever imagine is one of those hilariously creepy looking otaku. Pitch black room, the dim glow from his monitor highlighting the sweat worked up from a hard day's net surfin'... you get the picture.

Basically, some website had comments about 2ch specifically, doin' what they do. They were negative, and it was such a big deal this happens. Takes a special kind of Unwarranted Self Importance to take such action.

@Anonymous 19:23
You're right. I should have read my comment before posting it. Allow me to do something never seen on the internet and admit that I was wrong.

Though I still stand on everyone doing something instead of saying "go die" to other people over the internet since that accomplishes nothing. If you truly want someone to die, there are methods to make that wish come true, but you have to work for it.

Whoops, forgot to log in there.
-Anonymous 19:52

Wait, what? They actually think that we care about Onemanga getting shut down!? Bitches don't know 'bout our IRC!

I don't get how they are so aggressive. I mean, telling us to "go die"? Seems a bit extreme really. I can understand their anger, to a degree, but they git a bit worked up, don't they?

Do they really expect us to believe some of them don't pirate stuff too?

The "kill yourself plzkthks" responses are annoying because it's a dismissive response. 4chan says that crap all the time though.

I'm sure they pirate stuff too (unless Japan can't figure out how to use TOR and get torrents and do proxies and all that.) but at the same time they probably don't have the attitude of entitlement western pirates have.

It's hilarious how much attention this is getting. Taking down these manga viewer sites is like trying to fix a broken leg with a band-aid. The posters on 2ch obviously are lumping in all foreigners as thieves when it's people over from Japan who provide the raws for us to translate. It's hilarious how some of their own countrymen are working them over and then blaming us for reading and enjoying the works in a language we can understand. I wouldn't call all of them xenophobic because that is a serious stretch to lump an entire population into a category like that based on a few idiots. They assume that we believe that manga=free when that's far from the point for most people that read manga online. Most people read manga online when the companies are doing a shitty job with censoring and translation, or when the manga just isn't available over here. We don't go around saying that they shouldn't illegally download shit that was made in America (which they know they do so apparently they're all a bunch of hypocrites) so why do they feel they have to right to tell us what we can and can't do with the provided data over here. This whole situation is truly hilarious.

@21:32

Only some of them were being aggressive. Think about how many people there are on the internet. Think about how many people use 2Ch.

Some people are going to lump everyone together, other people will have common sense and realize people have beliefs on an individual level.

That being said, I'm glad One Manga is gotten rid of. While I can understand stuff like the Touhou mangas being scanned since they will NEVER make it over seas in English, taking things that are either already published/licensed over here and hosting them on a giant, obvious site is ridiculous.

FACT:

1. no matter how much we talk about it, no matter how much 2ch hates us, piracy will never die.

2. just because onemanga is gone doesn't mean that we won't get to stea- ehem* read their mangas anymore. onemanga is just hosting it in one place, even if it's gone, the people translating it is still around.

3. if there are scanlations that means somebody bought them first right? who else has better access to buy it than japanese people?

i am half japanese, i lived in japan most of my life (but not anymore). the people on 2ch doesn't represent the japanese population, not all of them are like the fucktards in 2ch. and i really dont understand why they're so worked up about it, telling us to "go die"? it's not like they're losers and their life sucks just because we're reading their manga for free...

Love the flamme war ^_^

@Anonymous 19:05

Uh oh! That's some serious downvoting. I guess 2ch users must be lurking the page.

is it just me or is there an insult in each and every comment made by those 2ch's? lmao

i'm just waiting for google translate to be perfected. so i can get trolled in real time.

WILL THE MOST OF YOU GUYS BUY IT ALREADY....

Oh look, a troll.

00:03: Yay Internet bitch fight!
‘Who do you think you are kidding Nihonjinsan, if you think we're on the run?’

Pirates will live on... even in Japan.

can someone upload a zip.

I can understand their feelings if you don't buy the mangas once they are in your area. I reads scans online. If I hadn't ever read one online I probably would never had read any mangas ever. Now I have an ever growing manga collection as I buy them once they are here. Besides I cant get all the mangas here in the U.S. as several can't get published here due to laws. I do the same thing with anime. I watch it online and buy it when it comes to the U.S. I don't want to wait a year to read/watch my favorite stories/shows.

When will those stupid yellow monkey Japs learn? If they stopped pirating their own stuff and making it so accessible to us, sites like One Manga wouldn't be so prevalent.

*comes back from the gun-store with the bullets...reads this shit...

CRAP - > will need more bullets!

*runs to the gun-store

i know i will be voted down, but if I were Japanese, i would hate the foreigners too.
Nice hobby.

>they're so worked up about ... telling us to "go die"

As some have pointed here and there, xenophobe or the ones who think they have moral high ground.

I think we should bomb those rice niggers again. They're becoming far too arrogant and need to learn their place.

^I think you're out of your mind.
You're the one acting arrogant.

Not really or that just hasn't happened yet. 1000manga was made just for those who want to read anything PG-13 and up. 1000manga doesn't have 1000 mangas to choose from. 1000manga doesn't even have over 200 mangas.

they would have had sales if they did what the scanlators do though. that's probably what they're griping about.

and damn those 2ch trolls. "Go read your own country's comics"... my country's comics consist purely of satirical news strips. nowhere near xxxHolic.

They should also be making a lot of money off merchandise. Dvds, figurines, ect.

日本人は超自己中だね 外人は大嫌いですか 泣き虫は大嫌いだよ！ I hope this makes it's way on to 2ch, I swear I'm tired of their holier than thou attitude, I don't pirate, I learned japanese for college, and yet the 2ch hate machine trolls and circle jerks, foreigner this foreigner that, Japan has bigger issues that manga that would never be licensed being pirated. 2ch should STFU about foreign pirates because manga sales in japan are dying. The japanese are the master guilt and issue avoidance race.

Funny how they complain at us for piracy when a good amount of the raws come from them; we just catch wind of the raws. Admittedly, though, our scanalator groups do occasionally buy and scan (though they don't usually release the raw versions).

Scanalation is the reason I buy manga now. would never have bought or read one probably otherwise.

That really would be a good idea for them, but I think it would actually suck for foreigners. Can you imagine trying to read your favorite manga when it's in engrish (check engrish.com if you don't know engrish)?

You'd spend so much time banging your head against your desk trying to figure out what they mean that you'd lose all the enjoyment from the manga.

On the other hand, if they were smart they'd hire the scanlators that are already doing the work. But I think they're just afraid of opening new markets. After all, gaijin are scarrrrry, right?

xenophobia, anyone?

i'm surprised they didn't BUY onemanga to begin with. if they're making money off THEIR manga it makes sense if THEY buy it and split the earnings. sheesh. sometimes i remember why everyone thinks the japanese are funny.

I know what you mean, Japaneses are horrible English user, maybe the worst of the worst, if they using Japaneses to translate they game into English it would end up more than pain in the ass reading the texts.

But if they hire some from US or UK it's maybe good(not alway, the guy who translate for berserk is a horrible exam, the Chinese do much more better).

By the way, it's would be a lot of trouble to bring their product outside Japan (think about the transportation cost, task, censorship, law etc...),remember that no sane business man want to lose a potential market.

They have acces to native English speakers so I don't think it is much of a problem. Even have a few dvd's that are in good English. Sure there could be bad one's but even with English speaking fansubbers there are subs out there that have shitty English in it.

Not everyone in Japan is incapable of speaking English. In order to get the best translation or at least a half decent one, to cater to their English-speaking fans, publishers would have to round up teams of people who know how to speak English properly. Otherwise, they're going to get a shit storm of complaints saying "we don't understand your Engrish!"

The thing is, the logical conclusion of the internet revolution in regards to creative media is the demise of the whole publishing and distribution industry, or at least the almost complete loss of their previous power.

They used to be the crucial middle-man that served as the absolutely necessary bridge between artists and the customers, who held the ultimate power over who got heard, read or seen. Enter the internet, and suddenly no one really needs them any more, anyone with a dime to spare can set up their own site and reach out to billions.

The only reason the publishers and distributors are still around are mainly because people are used to having them around and that they are convenient, but no longer are they a necessity the way they were just 10 years ago.

That's why, from their perspective, the worst thing they could do would be to get their customers hooked on smoothly working and cheaper digital media. In the slightly longer run it would only serve to speed up their own demise because it would pave the way for the authors and artists to ditch them and sell directly to the customers.

I would expect that the worst problem for online publishing from Japan would be the legalities and differing social mores.

How much manga would be illegal to view in other countries if it was just translated? - maybe not too much.

Immoral though? now we have personal perspective and you start getting Fox News reports of sites corrupting youth. Then Equality Now will add another action plan on their site about the virtual victims in manga and the Diet will cave in and ban all manga of any type, at least in Tokyo, then Lord Il Pallazo appears and attacks the KyoAni studio blowing Ui's head off, only to be taken out by a Buster Machine 3 Colony drop as the 117th Angel appears and Haruhi resets...

Well i'm sure there are lots of problems we aren't that aware of anyway.

I've got a question for these 2ch otakus as well as all the other holier-than-thou scanlation-haters.

I live in India. As in most third-world countries, here hardly anyone even knows what manga is, forget about finding it in a bookstore. There's only one channel here that shows anime, and their selection is limited. Till date I've visited dozens of DVD and bookstores and asked for anime and manga, only to get confused glances in return.

Now please tell me how I(and millions of other manga/anime fans across hundreds of countries where they aren't sold) am supposed to obtain anime and manga legally.

I can immagine the reactions:

"Buy the ticket, go to Japan and buy it."
-Well, it will cost to you some thousands of dollars + 500 yen.

"Buy it in Amazon or other Internet stores."
-Well, it cost to you 500 yen + all your money in the bank by stealing your password.

"Produce it by yourself."
-

"If your country don't have a structure to sell it legally, please forget the existence of anime/manga itself."
- You made a question to the people what says "The law is more important than the life because if the law is not protected a lot of lives will be lost."

I'm a Japanese otaku.
I think, it's not the point whichever guilty or not guilty the way to read.

The important point is below:
You have a will paying money,
when you enjoy a manga and thank the auther.

If you really and truly have a will to pay, there are lots of way.
For example, making a Japanese friend and asks the friend: please send money to the auther directly.
It's not difficult that sending money directly in Japan.
On Comiket (who is Dojin's), Newly-published event, or send to the publisher.

I buy all mangas not secondhands but new.
It's the way to send money and send my appreciation.
Are you REALLY willing to pay?

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/07/28/2ch-on-sankaku-one-manga-dirty-foreign-scum/#comment-582436

I'm not the indian what posted the comment but I want to say that: What do you feel if somepeoples send a money and don't know who sent that?

You would think that they are trying to become a terrorist group by using that quote though. lol

Uh, you seen what they are saying lately? I think they have risen to the level of the worst xenophobes in Japan and then some.

True, true. Not speaking about the virility of the attacks. It's just that the Japanese make it a weird game out of it while there's no sense of grace with all the extreme racist photoshops of Obama/Hitler/Prehistoric-African-Tribe-Native. lol

You must be mistaking the Tea Party for the NAACP and the left.

I think this is an issue of translation.

The Japanese use the word gaikokujin a lot. So whoever translated it, constantly repeated "foreigner" which is a very strong (and offensive) word in English.

So you keep hearing "Foreigner" "foreigner" x100.

I'm not saying Futaba channel's comments were politer than what we see here (actually, I'm sure 99% of them were that rude), but I'm just saying that people should be a tiny bit skeptical, and not just automatically accept whatever they see.

And also, it's fucking futaba channel. Look at how much 4chan uses f*g and n*gger.

http://jisho.org/words?jap=gaikokujin&eng=&dict=edict [http://jisho.org/words?jap=gaikokujin&eng=&dict=edict]
ITT: accurate translations

Thank you for the Japanese lesson, Artefact, you just earned me joining SanCom at last! :D

Of course, there's always the chance we're just seeing the 'cream of the crop', you know? the juicy, ripened rage-fruit. For all we know there's just as many people there who - while objecting - have some degree of self control.
Not saying it's a bad thing, or accusing the translator or anything, just you know. Don't generalise, or you'll look the same as they do, when they generalise what they think we... etc.
Also, this way's a metric fuck-tonne funnier.

Seriously, it's just the 'cream of the corp' of 2ch bashing on the 'creaming of the corp' of foreign sites like Sankaku...

So it's rather pointless to speak logic to either side..

LOL stupid ugly Japs are just mad that they're short, all look the same, and have stupid small squnity eyes

↑'Cream of the Crop' No.70925207

*20:43 - X Corp ○ Crop

At least if 2ch actually do stuff like 4chan does I would actually care about what they say.

I mean seriously 4chan is like the scum of the world but they have created meme after meme, ruined the lives of people they hate, harrased Justin Bieber and lets not forget the worldwide anti-$cientology protest they sparked...

If 2ch actually does something for a change THEN they have the right to complain.

↑You obviously don't know 2ch beyond what appears on Sankaku...

Though of course, I agree that they won't be harassing Justin Bieber anytime soon, nor do more than a handful gives a flying damn about sci3ntology

Artefact, while your analysis on the difference between Gaikokujin and Gaijin is fine with me, treating homophone-replacing slang as is particularly common in Chinese and Japanese internet culture as being any more meaningful than, in this case, a mild to moderate level of disdain towards foreigners, is wrong enough to call it incorrect. If there were no other insults uttered, I'd translate it into something like "disgusting foreigners" or "stupid foreigners". Just my 2 cents, from a Baidu and 2ch's news flash board user.

Well said.

fapping in circles is in no way a "childish" dream. i dont know about you but i dreamt of other things when i was a child.

and whats that about "logical people" anime/manga/hentai are works of fiction so they somehow dont relate to logic(except for slice of life and some scintifical term that may appear.

and i certainly dont hope that the world gets reunited trough works of fiction and the sex versions of the same but rather trough the enjoyment of watching them (more directed to anime than hentai, or would you shake hands with your neighbours after watching hentai:D)

I don't know if you have been keeping tabs on the events concerning eroge, hentai mangas, and even regular anime shows in the past 2 years, but...

What I meant by the old generation being replaced by more logical people is because said old generation wants to give 2D (READ: fictional) women and children rights from getting sexually/violently abused...

That's right...You are giving a drawing of a child and/or a woman human rights...

Therefore, they are (the old generation) being illogical and irrational about the whole thing..

Like that 2channer said...It began with the "Rapelay Fiasco" and accelerated to rape eroge being banned by some feminazis and moralfags from both UNICEF, Equality Now, and various religeous sects and government groups...And now it's threatening various mangas and anime...

Paranoia and Rationality...They must die and be replaced by the new generation (rational people who are knowledgeable about anime AND hentai)...

And lastly, that one huge circle jerk thing has a double meaning...

The other one aside from what you think is this...East or West...We're all together when it comes to anime and hentai...

We should not be fighting amongst ourselves...Not as Foreigner and Japanese...But as Anime and Hentai fans...That's my point...

All this hysteria...These witch-hunts...These baseless and evident-less draconic accusations towards anime and hentai...

They must perish in order for ALL OF US to get on with this ridiculous issue...

And preferably without idiots in CNN and other medias involve who don't even do their homework...

Ugh, I still remember what they did to that Touhou "Bad Apple" video...The artists at Pixiv made fun of that so bloody much...

I hope the 2ch guys see that our people here who want to ban loli would have been a problem eventually. It is not as if they would remain unaware even if no local North American lolicons developed a taste for it.

We are brothers! Furthermore, lots of us buy manga but we like to download the stuff which has not been officially translated.

Kodomo no Jikan for example, we will never see it here! =(

Wow, we're already nearing the 500 comment mark...

I wanna see 2chn translate all our shit talk...

Agreed.

Nah they will translated only the badone any way.

Even tho they tried to ban them they have failed many times but now am starting to worry for the future of anime,manga and hentai as we know it, the whole "rapelay" thing was a huge nonsense, irrational station. Even tho 2chan is trolling(like always) we should atleast just ignore because we're going to need all the soldiers we have to when the moral nazis begin there attack to give piece of paper and pixels rights, i think this is the time blogs, polls and surveys are needed because lets faces it, there not going to stop moral panic is a epidermic, it not going to end unless something is done.

henh. wonder if the other side exists: american comics scanlated into japanese. see how THEY like it.

oh wait.. right. they have plenty over there. i'll just go back to my pile of (poorly) translated manga and hikkify myself if it'll satisfy the trolls.

To Azure: Well said comrade!!! Very logical and rational, it's people like you who need to be in change of this rotten world, not some fat old geezer who can think of nothing but their god damned reputation and dirty pocket.

oh! you mean kim jung il?

HOLY CARP!
Almost at 1000 mark and no signs of stopping?

Now, I really wanna see how good they can translate shit...

They will probably triage first by only taking anon comments

Or have alot of fun translating 'Holy Carp'

XD

↑「鯱」

There you go.

lol u mad jap?

we may not invented it by ourselfs cause it is an "world wide web"

@LDC I think you didn't get it.

I hate having to explain jokes but he is talking about the japanese using the internet - invented in the US.

the design of the internet hapoened in the US, but 'The World Wide Web was developed in 1989 by English computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee for the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN).'

'The design of the Internet was done in 1973 and published in 1974. There ensued about 10 years of hard work, resulting in the roll out of Internet in 1983'

Al Gore put the tubes together with his bare hands.

better things are always Europeans.

except teeth

There are many Europeans here(me included), dunno why they always say just crap about US...

BTW I just want to see what will they do after closing onemanga. People are saving the scanlats like crazy, so starting up more pages should not be a problem for them. Best thing would be to have own servers somewhere in a old atom bunker like piratebay had =D

If we can't read their manga then their women can't wear our panties they love to ogle so much. Go back to wearing fundoshis!

They should:
- Stop using Windows/Mac/Linux, how about they create their own OS eh?.
- Stop using motor vehicles.
- Stop using plastics
- Stop using trains

So, Japan, can we read your manga now?

As a non-manga reader i'd like to say what loss of sale?

First, allot of these manga are liscenced like anime, so the jap publishers already got their pound of flesh. The lost sales in those cases are absorbed by the liscence holder.

Second, around 90% of the translated manga online is not available to buy legaly unless you read kanji. How can they loose sales when they are not selling it?

Third, i'll admit that the jap publishers might be loosing a little money especially if they are releasing them overseas themselves, but the argument that online manga is free publicity and ropes in new oversees readers is a good one. There is a tipping point where the harm caused by piracy will hurt the publishers more than the publicity helps, but we won't reach that till there are alot more legit sales oppertunities. 10% is a joke.

Ignorance is bliss.
Japanese manga fans think so, and ignore.
But, not all 2ch people is manga fan.

Berners-Lee did not 'develop' or 'invent' the internet or the world wide web. What he did is come up with a document markup or tagging specification which built on substantial previous work in this area.

This 'hypertext' spec in combination with early browsers and the use of a transport protocol provided a convenient means of sharing content of all kinds over data communication channels.

Along with hardware advances, mass availability of PCs, and cheaper faster modems, the 'web' grew synergistically into what it is now: a means of providing porn; pirated anime, manga, games, movies; and access to a subset of Japanese culture for weaboos.

If anyone is responsible for the development of the web as we know it, it is the providers of porn. They pioneered many innovative html techniques, and provided a core user base.

Their civilization wouldn't collapse, I can assure you. They would simply enter a deeper recession, which would end with a new economic system. Not like their world would go upside-down or anything.

The world has the resources and japan has the skills to use and make things better. They wouldn't survive without scum like us, for once schrobby said something useful.

They'd probably start poaching whales, again...oops, they never stopped that, to begin with.

Oddly enough their economy is already in decline and soon to be overtaken by the Chinese.

It's mainly due to inaction by the diet, inability to adapt to a new economic climate and changed labour market ie. Gen Y.

We wouldn't be trading with Japan if it hadn't been for Matthew Perry who used his gunboats to convince Japan to open up to trade...
So I can see why there's some deep seated anger at foreigners, but then again it could have been worse they could have been colonised by the British or worse the French.

Dude think about yin and yang. :

White needs to co-exist with black and the same thing with black.

There must have a balance between the two in order for the world not to collapse.

Think the same way about piracy and not.

Someone needs to draw a Japan-tan yelling "S-Stupid foreigners! It's not like I want you to read my manga or anything!"
"D-Don't misunderstand!"

I lol'd, somebody needs to do that.

OMG that would be perfect!

Twintails presumably with a perfect ratio zettai ryouiki, ahh we can forgive Japan anything for that

Im trying to accomplish it, as you can see its not yet done, i need more ideas, especially what the it should be wearing http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r9/SanosukeEiji/2ch-tancopy.jpg

I have no real advice as my doodle skills are terribad, though I was personally imagining a cute girl, sitting on a wooden floored bedroom with manga all over the place, looking up all embarassed like someone walked in on her and saying the line pointed out earlier.

Though perhaps a black skirt with a pink stripe? Black leggings with pink ribbon ties? white and yellow? Who knows.

I think what you have is ok, just put a school uniform on her and delicious zettai ryouiki and you're done.

Also, sir 19:46 Anon, you are made of win.

Okay, now, how can were make the goddesses deredere ?

I admire your patriotism, but I'm afraid there hasn't been much 'creative talent' to speak of in the comics department in the last decades. Unless, of course, killing Superman/Batman for the 15th time is 'creative'.

i will end my comment with this : Maybe i am japanese guy who love to keep saying Foreign Scum becuase americans troll me maybe because everyday i dream with "起きてください　朝ですよ" , thinking that a girl can say this to me "あんまりジロジロ見ないでください　さすがに恥ずかしいです " or あの　お願い　その　おちんちんください , and masturbating to "もう　ああ　我慢しない　ああ　兄さんに甘えて　いいですね？" pr maybe im just a stupid gaijin japanese wannabe that who even know what he says an became trollbait after say しりはダメだぞ、絶対だぞ aka "America Scum" , well who knows