Manga Translator Convicted – “Loli Manga is Child Abuse”

Well, ofc it also depends on judges. Still, much less cases with reasonable judgment involved come from US, France, Canada or the likes.

Sweden - "sex and nudity is good! (just make sure to practice them like normal people, you sickos!)"

Sweden is all right, but most of us needs for some reason to be very politically correct (I'm not sure it's used the same way as in swedish, it kind of means that you uphold morals such as 'be nice to animals', 'all foreigners are great people' and 'pedophiles should all burn in hell!'), and this sometimes overrides rational thought and common sense. :/

Everyone should just come to the Netherlands. We have a statement in the law that anything drawn does not constitute child pornography. That and the legal weed and prostitutes, of course. :)

how is the internet in the netherlands, and also the native language, and whats getting citizenship like?

im honestly considering going there now.

"he was falsely accused of child abuse by the mother so she could secure full custody."

Typical fucking woman.

Yep. Bitches like that need to be sent to an islam country with shariah law and married off to some fat old goat keeper.

At least loli isn't illegal in Finland. While Swedish people may have their common sense left, their laws are the opposite ><.

I am starting a foundation to protect fictional children from all this rape and molestation

I plan to change the law into saying that if you draw a picture (no matter how crude, including stick figures), then proceed to poke a hole in the paper and fuck the paper, It will be considered rape of an actual living human child

@Petori
I completely agree with you there. Some of our laws are really old and needs a total revamp.

And I'm so grateful that Jeff got all the details in the article right. Thank Jeff ;)

Dutchfag here. Internet is variable. On a good day I get 1 MB/s u/d, but usually I only get half that, and last year it was down for a day because my provider accidentally a router.
Language is mostly pretty easy, and I know a few exchange students who generally agree. Spelling certainly is easier than the English one, except for words that came from English, French, etc. in the first place. Also, irregular verbs... oh joy. But if you managed German, you should be okay; we don't even have cases.

do it crim. the world needs that kind of a organization to realize how fucking stupid these laws are.

@Schrobby

Give sweden a few years. They've been drowning in hardcore muslims, and the muslims are out-babying the natives by about 7:1. In just 25 years, Sweden's own government says it will be majority hardcore Muslim, with no one speaking the traditional languages or practicing the traditionl Swedish way of life. They will instead be just another fundamental hardcore muslim nation. Which freaks out the government, as it can't figure out how to save itself while still being politically correct...

These are frightening times in nations the world 'round.

That makes as little sense as boycotting the American company ThinkGeek because some American bloke got tossed into jail for selling sex toys as sex toys (instead of as "novelty items"/"party favours"/"cake toppers") in Texas or whatever...
Tokstollar.

Swedens? From what I've read it's ECPATs fault.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECPAT

Warning, the below link contains nude children and a crappy Google Translation.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Frickfalkvinge.se%2F2010%2F07%2F26%2Fnu-far-det-vara-slut-pa-kungligt-sanktionerade-bokbal%2F&sl=sv&tl=en&swap=1 [http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http://rickfalkvinge.se/2010/07/26/nu-far-det-vara-slut-pa-kungligt-sanktionerade-bokbal/&sl=sv&tl=en&swap=1]

Well, can't the same be said about america, for example? It's a common phenomenom for sex to be "dangerous" while killing is a-okay.

Nope. The USA is way more keen on violence.

Let everybody keep weapons (so that they can be confused with Wii-controllers, for example), but don't teach teenagers about condoms, because then they'll start having sex.

I'm not saying that all of America is, but some parts are a bit "meh".

Also earth have existed for 4k years.

Being from the US, I'll gladly admit that a staggering number of us are stupid, and probably dangerous.

We think of Sweden as a total pussy on the violence front though- Saab makes nice aircraft, but that only takes you so far. I mean, in the past two decades, Americans have probably caused casualties on every continent. (dunno about Australia). Then we made awesome action movies set in the ones we weren't done with!

Don't know what to say about the 4000yo earth, apparently Americans want a impotent god, so that we may one day violently kill him?
If so, that's gobsmackingly awesome.

I don't exactly see how not wanting war is a negative thing, but maybe you're ironic.

Maybe I am, at that.

I think Sweden can be judged on it's merits, I'm simply stating that support of violent acts isn't one of them. I guess they have a lot of rapists there, though. Way to tackle that one, guys.

America, for all it's faults, it's a poor place to become a rapist. Too many people with weapons.

95% of the rapes in usa are never solved, and not because they get killed instead. And that may be only those reported, I dont' know.

The cops are too busy; things like putting a 16 year old girl (at most 18) in prison for 10 years for essentially saying "talk to him if you want drugs, I know he sells".

While the statistic above is from mid-90s, I don't have any indications, or any other reason to believe, that they've gotten better at it.

So, if you'd be raping anyway, going to the US seems like a damn good idea.

No man in his right mind should EVER get married in this day and age.

Divorce courts will financially ruin him, family courts will seize his kids, and things like the Bradley Ammendment [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_Amendment] will ensure that if you don't keep up with the gravy train, you'll get thrown in prison.

The only real option (for non-masochists) is moving to another country to marry, or just waiting for VR-porn / sexbots.

No. It's all thanks to ECPAT.

I'm in sweden too and I'm scared as shit right now. If someone searched my computer I would probably get quite a big fine and maybe prison.

I fucking hate this stupid country!!!

Well, things like Love Hina & NGE does probably also count...? That's a bit silly. :|

Just to be on the safe side, I've got a hatchet standing next to my external hard drives.

They'll be split in two when/if farbror blå comes knocking.

Keep in mind that splitting a HD in two halves will make maybe 10% of the data unreadable, 20% if you're really lucky. Experts can still read some of the data from burned and half molten HDs...

One of the objects he was sentenced for was Love Hina Vol 13, yes Love hina is part of it.

Over half of them was just random fan service pages from various mangas some where actually of erotic nature but very very few.

I don't know how the cops would react if you started waving a bloody big hatchet around... not too well probably ;D

Instead of destroying your hd you need to encrypt your hd and burn your manga.

@Love Hina 13: That's great. I guess that makes most book stores (in Sweden) illegal, or what?

Supposedly the standard way for the US... government? Army? I forget... to disable a drive quickly is to drill several holes straight through it with a power drill. Yes, a fully stocked lab specializing in microscopic magnetic research may be able to pull something off it, but it pretty much kills it for any local tech shop, forensics department, and all but the very best recovery services.

I wouldn't count on doing that much damage with a hatchet actually, apart from shocking the read/write heads off the arms and maybe catching a shard of flying metal to the eye...

Thermite is overkill, not always predictable in the path it will take (all over the platter? Or through the platter and out the bottom of the PC case?), and a great way to burn your house down.

No matter what though, if you physically trash your disks, you'd be charged with whatever destroying/tampering with evidence laws apply in the area. I suggest just encrypting the hell out of a disk you keep outside the PC and slip into a drive dock - when asked about it, just say it's an unformatted spare you keep around in case you need some space to work in, and that you just wiped it before storing it. If you don't have the right passwords, a full-disk Truecrypt volume should be indistinguishable from random noise. The biggest threat is trojans and keyloggers nabbing your volume passwords.

Oh, there's one way to avoid something getting your password - first, use Truecrypt full-volume encryption. That's not enough though. There's a custom-made attack someone can load onto that to record keystrokes when you mount it, so also require a BIOS password to access your PC in the first place, or better yet, if you have a laptop, enable the hard disk password. Then disable booting from CDs, flashdrives, and network cards. This way they won't have any way to run their own code and install the keylogger.

Not sure what you're rambling on about, the Pirate Party movement was born in Sweden and is the biggest party amongst the younger generation in Sweden, pretty sure it doesn't fit into your slightly skewed view of Sweden, and they are actively fighting crap like this, on both national and international levels.

But i agree, the judges are corrupted and the laws are fucked up, just look at the TPB case, harsh rulings on a non existing case due to American lobbying.

Sadly, it's not the biggest party among young people. It's on second place, after the Swedish-Democrats (a semi-racist conservative party).

Also lol at TBP. People voting for them simply wants to not pay for things. I'm not saying I don't download or whatever, but it's a bit skewed to say that they are "actively fighting crap like this", because most people my age (19) automatically rages at anything that can be called a pedophile. We did these sortings of horrible sins-thing last year in school, and every group (except mine, since it consisted of three lolicons, haha) voted pedophilia as worst or second worst sin, without any real motivation except "that's sick!!". And I'm sure all of them wouldn't mind pirating being legal.

"Sadly, it's not the biggest party among young people."

Well it used to be, it probably will be again in time when they realize racism isn't gonna solve anything.

"Also lol at TBP. People voting for them simply wants to not pay for things."

It's a bit bigger than that, it's not about getting things for free, it's about freedom of information, and in this case a corrupted trial driven by lobbyists, that is REALLY fucking bad on so many levels.

Also; TPB is not the same as PP.

As far as pedophilia goes, yes it's bad, but drawn images has no victim, it's unreasonable to deal harsh rulings upon a crime with no victim, you might argue it's better for the public in general to have it all banned but no such arguments were made in this case, it was a ruling based on vague laws that could be interpreted any way they want.

"I'm not saying I don't download or whatever, but it's a bit skewed to say that they are "actively fighting crap like this""

It's not that they are pro pedophilia, they are against the abuse of law in the name of pedophilia, so much insane shit has/will been/be pushed though due to the fear mongering that is pedophilia, i say go for the real abusers and i have no problem, but when minor offenses turns into the end of the world then there's something wrong.

"It's a bit bigger than that, it's not about getting things for free, it's about freedom of information, and in this case a corrupted trial driven by lobbyists, that is REALLY fucking bad on so many levels."

Yes, I totally agree. But a LOT of the people voting for PP and caring about TPB simply wants to get their shit for free.

"Also; TPB is not the same as PP."

Oops, I meant PP, sorry about that.

I think you might have misunderstood my post. I said that they were totally against pedophilia, to such a degree that they don't even think about what they're doing (and yes, these are young people I'm talking about).

I agree that it's retarded for drawn images to equal abuse of children. I mean, not even looking at cp should somehow be called "child abuse", as there isn't really any child abusing involved in looking at the pictures. Sure, it motivates people to do cp (I guess?), but it does not constitute in the crime itself. And for example, if I had said this in my (ex)class, they'd raged so hard, because I somehow defended all the horrible rapist pedophiles.

They would if -everyone- wasn't so scared of muslims. Femnazi's included.

Antiracism overrides feminism.

@BlaqCat

Are you kidding? That's the kind of life the femnazis want. Being an owned piece of meat, serving her lord and master.