2ch on One Manga: “Good Riddance to Foreign Thieves!”

Yeah, if a show has finished airing more than two months ago, it's not interesting for me anymore.

excuses excuses...

Guess what, I get ZERO manga and only Pokemon/Digimon/Yugioh/Bakugan anime product releases in my country.

Besides most of those 2channers are hypocrites, let the internet user who has never used a pirated content throw the first rock.

wait... it's wrong to watch something that aired on tv without paying???

i hope the police doesn't come to my home and confiscate my tv.

wow those fucking 2h nerds. id rage a them hard for talking down bout onemanga yah ppl treat it like a club activity so what. if the dam manga was released all over north america for good prices then onemanga wouldnt exist. retards fucking retards. people do what they can to read or watch their interests even if it means getting scans. btich ass 2h .__.

*looks at topic*

*goes back to Manga Fox*

Now only if official online manga sites have such a great level of distributions.

Though haters still harp on Crunchyroll, gotta admire how they can push the content out in fast notice. Now only if they get better translators and do more karaoke translations and actually quality-check stuff more often..

Too all you faggots who argued that we should wait for licensed DVD, please turn your attention to the Seto no Hanayome advertisements on sankaku... it got licensed after more than three years of airing in Japan...

that's just http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZkcoB7RiMg&feature=related [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZkcoB7RiMg&feature=related]

Anon 15:23 - Seriously? Didn't anyone ever teach you about the virtue of patience? "Good things come to those who wait" and all that? And my patience is being rewarded because I'm finally getting to see ToraDora. Do I care that it is far behind the Japanese airing? No, I'm just so happy to finally get to see it that I gladly paid for it, the premium edition, no less.

And don't get me started on the others that I've waited on that have begun to materialize. They might have aired years ago for the Japanese, but for me, this is the best possible time. Funds willing, I plan to scoop them all up - regardless of how "old" they are.

Seriously, does everyone have to live in eternal "instant gratification" all the time? Wait a while... sometimes it makes it all that much better (uncensored editions, etc), and in some cases, gives you the chance to opt out of watching something you would have hated anyway.

>Karaoke translations
Ew.

I can't blame the Japanese for wanting to protect what's rightfully theirs, but when they it's this easy to pirate it's hard not to.

If we could pay for all the anime and manga we want without dropping out of school and getting a crappy job to support our habit, we would. But for most young people, their allowance or the money left over after paying the bills, just won't cover the cost of all of the things they want. Can you blame people for being smart with their money?

@14:43 In Germany it IS illegal weirdly enough.

well part of the reason it watch fansubs is to see if i like it or not, and i do buy the dvd's if i do!

another reason is merchendise.. ae figures, cards etc. If i wait for it to be licensed and released in the us, after 3 years.. say i love the series and want a figure of the main character... woops! too late, sold out years ago..while some merchindise does make it the us, not all of it.. so to me thats a better reason..

and its true, not all anime is licensed.. If i wait for Macross Frontier to be licensed.. i'd be Dead before it happens!!!!

So these Weebos can sit and rotate!

@ 16:59
Pff nowai man, where I live they barely sell anime or manga.. And where they actually do sell them (which is far from where I live) it's very limited what i can buy, since they only got about 12-23 licensed animes in my country.. And if I were to buy a DvD-box set it'll cost me about 90$ for 13 episodes...

@ 23:50 we germans do pay for our tv...
... it´s called GEZ

"another reason is merchendise.. ae figures, cards etc. If i wait for it to be licensed and released in the us, after 3 years.. say i love the series and want a figure of the main character... woops! too late, sold out years ago..while some merchindise does make it the us, not all of it.. so to me thats a better reason.."

Merchandise in the US? The only anime figure shops I know of import their stuff directly from Japan. I cant think of a single anime figure with packaging aimed at the west or something. Anyway, I dont see how it has to do with pirating since its very hard and unusual to pirate things like figures.

I just wish Japanese creators didnt hate the west so much. I dont understand why they do and why many refuse to bring stuff over here. Well, if they wont bring it out here, we just have to pirate it, its just how it is.

@Anon 02:40:
Bingo. We are the only country who does this on the whole planet. Sad, isnt it?

@07:52 : Yeah and we also are the only country with a fucking BpjM and a fucking Index! -__-

Sorry to ruin your 'All hail Germany coz we pay for TV' thing you've got going on but Britan at least also pays for TV (Channels 1 thru 5). Then you have to pay for things like Sky too right so ... TV really isn't free.

I agree on the merchandise angle. I've always wondered what sellers at cons like Fanime and AX think about fansubs. Given that so much of the figures and goods have to do with recent series, they must like them very much. I know I'd never drop 60 bucks on a figure to a show I've never seen. Fan translations will always play a part in building a fanbase. plain and simple.

I also agree that so many of those commentators are hypocrites or people that barely understand what they're talking about. I particularly love the ones championing the actions of the RIAA and MPAA. If ever there been shining examples of how NOT to "protect" one's copyrights, it's those too (especially the former).

“It’s like that for fansubs too, but they’re all saying they are helping propagate them. Even the guys writing ero-doujinshi don’t think like that.”

Yeah, I'm sure they just make them for the noble cause of producing stroke fodder. Wow...Anime fandom on both sides of the ocean have long reveled in illegal activities. Nothing new there.

You are an idi--- uninformed human for saying that. We don't pay because we want to, we pay because the government forces us to do it wether we look government sponsored television or not. It's brainless.

You gotta admit most of them are stupid rants.

1) Subtitling is faster to do than Dubbing. The best part about it is that you can easily enter the words in whatever language you need once you have the timing. Obviously Dubbing requires people to Voice Act and that's a lot more work.

2) If a Subber fan group can sub an anime in less than a day and do it DECENTLY, then there is no excuse to NOT release the DVDs and manga at the same time world wide as they do in Japan.

3) Some people DO wish they would air it in their own country. The problem is that most countries don't air it and so no one has the chance to watch it on TV, even without Subs.

4) Foreign companies selling Japanese manga are leechers more so than the fan scanslator/subbers. They are the ones attempting to take money and profit while subbers do it on their free time and for no profit.

5) Foreign companies suck. I remember Oh My Goddess releasing volume 16 while in Japan they had volume 30! I couldn't even buy the next volume for 2 years before 17/18 came out. All the while they added 3 more volumes in Japan. You can't blame those who can't even buy it. The companies themselves are screwing both ends.

etc etc etc. I think most of us can understand the Japanese side and criticize them. But the bigger problem is the differences in releases. Remember they attempted and succeed to deal with most of the problems like they did with Spiderman (maybe it was pirates of the Carribean) : Release the movie in the theaters across the world at the same time.
*note* they took good note on taking batteries of all electronic phones, cameras, and computers before letting them in in some theaters in China...

@Shippoyasha: mangafox is also getting the boot.

i think we can summarize it like this:

-XXXX awesome anime/manga almost NEVER gets translated right by foreign companies...
-...takes forever to appear on the shelves...
-...or never appears at all!
-and even if it does it's overpriced.
-...whereas fan/scanlations achieve all the above in record time.

those 2ch users forget that anime isn't something confined to Japan anymore. there's international demand, however small, that most foreign companies belittle and therefore pay less attention (and allocate less effort) to. it's unfair that they can get weekly shonen jump around the corner when foreign fans have to contend with the weak, expensive, 2orMore-volumes-behind tankobons without the goodies.

I for one will miss onemanga.

Well, through watching Anime for many years, I can watch it without subs now. I only need them when it's v complicated, like politcal and science stuff.

Also, self Japanese isn't really that hard :)

i wish i could learn it.

I wouldn't know about that anymore Alex. While the lesser known stuff may be put in backburner, there's more content than ever via streams. Anime News Network, Youtube, Hulu, Crunchyroll and Funimation all now stream the latest anime, subbed for free online. Sometimes even in high definition.

I was kinda amazed that there was Tatami Galaxy free to watch online. Even art-house stuff are easier to find online. Disc-wise, that's another story.

So, you could understand japanese...
Problem Solved...NO!!!

Where will you watch those Raw anime?
You download it, you're still pirating!!!

The problem with all this is that most of the anime/manga released in Japan doesn't ship overseas right away, in turn leaving people frustrated with long waiting periods or worse yet, not having it available at all. Publishers need to realize it a lot faster and expand, instead of complaining about piracy. This obviously wouldn't solve all piracy, but would definitely help a lot, while boosting sales by a considerable margin.

2ch needs to shut the fuck up and realize that while they have every anime/manga available to them, the rest of the world doesn't. Bitch at the publishers for being a bunch of segregated distributing retards.

I'd be more than happy to pay for quality translated manga in the digital format, or even paperback for some titles. I buy Vagabond and Berserk for example. It's not like it costs as much as anime. $10 per volume is not bad at all and digital distributing would cost even less. Hell, even anime is a lot cheaper here than in Japan (The complete 1st season of Melancholy is $45 here). They just need to hurry the fuck up and release a lot more titles a lot quicker than they do. Sure, many titles may not be as popular here as they are there, but they're bound to pick up at one point once the market expands a lot more. Not everything is an instant success.

I just saw a Kodansha re-release of 'Ghost in the Shell' and they still have removed the colored sequel of that hot yuri action at the beginning of one of the chapters.

So yeah~ America still sucks when you buy Manga

So your basing your 'american manga sucks' based off one series?

Most are arriving panel to panel with the japanese version.

Why not? America sucks when it comes to manga and anime censorships.

I just ordered Berserk vol 2 (in english, not my native language) and it cost me 11,95 euros and Berserk box set which was 6 dvds 20e. So I think I have good reason not to buy manga, also rarely is anime this cheap here. It's usually like 50 euros a box set and there isn't even properly released Cowboy bebop here. Good for them to judge non-japanese from their high horses, especially because they have been brainwashed by the authorities to believe piracy is the ultimate evil by having the strict piracy laws there.

could be worse... they could make more series like Cardcaptors or the modified version of Escaflowne.

Western audiences were deemed not ready for female main characters...

@Anon 15:33
This is not true lots of manga get censored or modified in subtle ways that sometimes detracts from the original.

Tenjou Tenge has many modifications to the fanservice shots, Full Metal Alchemist had bits changed because it might offend Christians. These are just to name a few but there are probably countless mangas that have been altered.

I heard that High School of The Dead has been picked up by Yen Press here's hoping they don't change the art or they'll be no point reading it.

HSOTD will get changed the fan service in it is extreme and the western conversion will fuck it up. most likely they will whine about it being to "sexual" for print.

R.I.P. OM

Yeah, so if you want to read a manga legally you have to wait an eternity at which point you may get either nothing at all, or a censored or otherwise butchered version. You can't trust the official sources to get the material out in the market and you can't trust that what you're reading is a fair representation of the original. Companies have too many ulterior motives.
Why not simply realise that scanlators are serving a public good and legalise their activities?

Public good my ass.
The reason why manga gets censored is because for the longest time the target market has been seen as teenagers and mostly teen and preteen girls at that. I frankly am not bothered by it, and most of the claims of censorship are largely overblown by people who can't enjoy anything without pulling out their JP copy (that they often can't read) or more often now their scanlation and going from frame to frame comparing thing just for the sake of having things to bitch about on the internet.

At the same time, the publishers that actually do more mature manga on a regular basis don't bother with the censorship.

Also, it's not like scanlators have never horribly butchered a translation before.

@Anonymous 11:06:

you're probably american. speaking for everywhere else, most religious (reading+watching) otaku i know are men. we have to rely heavily on the internet for our content because unlike over THERE our local dubbing is unintelligible and the anime channel not only recycles seiyuu (think hearing the same voices in ALL the anime airing on the channel - i've heard better fandubs) but mucks up the translations. manga is expensive here; if we had the money we'd gladly pay, but feeding ourselves IS supposed to be a priority, right?

as for manga, we have to put up with the titles that you jerks (not you, the publishers) handpick. i'm seeing Tsubasa Chronicle and Slam Dunk here when I want to be reading Kobato and Medaka Box. where can I find them? on the internet! and if ever they DO license Medaka Box half the important scenes will be chopped so that kids won't be 'offended' or 'influenced'. i want my manga content translated as is!

i'll bet you that most people would prefer the scanlations over the foreign released tankobons. put 'em side by side without telling readers the source.

about medaka box.
they probably wouldn't censor it.
JUMP will just do what they did with Pretty Face and I"s. slap that Mature sticker on it.

you 1st World people never think of us 3rd World!!

*sigh* I know. T_T

I'm more or less the same, however this doesn't cover for the anime or manga, or anything that you didn't care for in the first place. What, you're gonna pay for w/e that's licensed that you happened to already have seen prior to, yet didn't like? Is that where one's obligation ends?

lol, I'm not ashamed - quite honestly it IS freeloading and thieving - I much prefer to not fool myself. Or better yet, it's no different than me going to my neighbors and watching all of his movies. Anyone can spend their time buttering it up wasting the time and energy. I know, contradicting.

However they're no more innocent in this than the foreigners. We all want free stuff, and someone out there hands it out like candy, because they too enjoy free stuff.

"Don't take candy from a stranger"

*Our mothers would be ashamed

You also realize a majority of the anime and manga that is fansub/scanlated is never brought to the rest of the world. What are we supposed to do then?

Also, it doesn't make it right that people are consuming stuff over on this side of the pond for free, but also those publishers should understand that there is an untapped market over here just waiting for them to do same month releases with subs at good prices.

Judging from the sample of comments, it won't be piracy that kills the mediums, but over-pricing and that pride and stubborness that they have will take out their publishers.

That's not true, we get many of the anime, but manga may be less, but it's increasing, not decreasing.

The problem is they have TV for anime, unlike us, and they have access to the material immediately for manga, while we must wait for translations that often take quite a while in official channels. And I'm never sure why because fansubbers and scanslators can do it in a day it seems.

I'm sure much of it is the bureaucracy, but and I will buy anime I like, but still, the delay is the issue. Thankfully companies are realizing that and speeding up. They're on the right track.

Us watching fansubs and buying the ones we like is no different than watching prime time TV and getting DVDs of the shows we like there as well. The only difference really is the advertising budget. Hulu's got a bunch of anime as well, I'll happily watch on Hulu to help them get money from me watching as well.

"we get many of the anime" by Anonymous

Well... not In every country my friend, and not always the same quality as it is in Japan (almost 99% not the same or ill even say 100% not the same)

did they honestly forget that they get anime for free over there? and that not everyone who watches it buys it either?

The shows they are arguing about are aired for free on television.

If you like the show enough you should be able to remember every single line through out the series anyway. lol

That's not like, that's obsession. There are a lot of people who enjoy anime without being obsessed with it.

Buy the series you like, and if you want to watch them, you can watch the fansubs again.
It will probably be better than a licensed translation in any case.

you 1st World people never think of us 3rd World!!

wait, I already posted this. might as well post some more rant:
someone posted (they always post this sh--stuff, heh): "'yeah, I don't have a car, so I'm gonna steal it!' c'mon, who seriously thinks like that".
so you didn't EVER steal, wait no it's called BORROW your parents' car just 'cause they didn't buy your own yet. right.

btw, i'm stealing, wait no it's call borrowing, this internet account so i can post anonymously my 3rd Worldly beggar's opinion. and my opinion is "i steal what i like. if i didn't like it, why stealing it?"
oh wait, not stealing, it's BORROWING, yah, i'll return it ...somehow

to tell the truth, it wasnt. get your fact right before you open your mouth.

why should they? when the 'western world' often critise their anime/games/managa getting them onto international spotlight forcing them to be ridiculed, censored or banned...

East...West...Let's all not laugh at each other's misery and stop with the blame game...

Nothing good comes out of it...

Prices are getting high, and some countries ban certain mangas...

Only through the internet can we even read some of them...

^This

As if 2chn has never browsed through 1 or 2 sites. Maybe in an urban place, with decent cables and tv programmes, most of 2chn can get what they want easily.

But Tokyo is not Japan. There's other cities that can't enjoy such media as they're on the outskirts or countryside. They rely on stuff like torrents and scans.

Try checking the peer list on your P2P program next time, and you'll see a few IPs with Japan's flag...

They can get manga for a very cheap price there.
The whole shonen jump costs around $5. (And that's like 500 pages of stuff)
The anime and manga industry is moved on money, if you can't give some to the creators, you are not helping with anything, PERIOD. Creators browse 2ch a lot, it's obvious that they don't like gaijin because most of us don't give any money to them while getting it for free (I blame the underages). We'll only have good stuff available when people drop this mentality of "everything for free" and decide to contribute by actually paying for stuff we like.
That's not hipocrisy, that's called having common sense. I won't say "stop the piracy", but i can't support it either.

Other than international moralfags,

THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY does not affect or give any considerable effect to the anime industry since they base it on the JAPANESE consumers.

If creators want to earn from the INTERNATIONAL community, they should seek out the translators and create some sort of site with fees on reading their releases.

KILL'EM useless middlemen who whips the creator's ass who gets spare change in return.

wow you ignorant liars. do you know how little money creators get in japan? and you ignorant little morons still want to steal from them? you should be ashamed.

How about this: those people who get the free stuff online, simply promise to themself -I will be motivated to become a better person, I will earn lots of money, I will in the future donate some to this mangaka later when I am able to-

Exactly, I've already spent over $200 easily from shipping alone with sono hanabira. You need to pay for the item (obviously) then shipping which is fair, but if you use a proxy which is the only way to obtain a lot of things, you also pay for there service, plus shipping for a second time, it gets expensive very fast. I'll keep buying sono hanabira because I enjoy the series. However living is more of a priority for me than to make rich companies a little richer.

If people could afford to buy all this crap why wouldn't they? People act as if we have an unlimited supply of money we don't want other people to know about.

Fact is, I have bills for medication, surgery, psychiatrist. On top of the regular food, education, utilities, rent etc. You don't think I'd love anime to be included in my budget? I can only spend so much money on entertainment and the rest goes to things I need to survive.

And it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't consume, which might be true. But if I don't do anything to entertain myself, my depression gets worse. So I couldn't care less about how rich these people are getting, living is my priority. Until they make things cheaper, this is the way things are going to stay.

Not like it really matters, but i doubt that fuguriya is a rich company. Doujin creators are not well paid, except for the biggest ones like 07th expansion.

ITS BECAUSE BEING DUMB BIGOTS IS EASIER than looking for valid facts.

The rest of the world ain't gonna steal your precious manga/anime away from you. We just wanna get our fix just like everyone else.

@ 21:56 25/07/2010

Well it's not really our fault that animators get screwed out the ass, but if they don't refuse to work for higher pay, nothing will ever happen.

Problem is most people are very short sighted and only try and see the problems now which usually creates more problems and possibly worse ones later on. Government is a very good example of this.

How many of you can name a VN you'd want to pay $70 for? Thats an insane amount of money for what you're actually getting and the time it took to put it together.

To add to the price problem, apparently most japanese otaku don't even need to pay rent etc since they all leech off there parents.

Who are worse? People who pirate crap because they can't afford it, or people who are too lazy to step into the outside world and get a damn job? A lot of the world struggles to get a job, and they don't want to work at all.

It's like there all fucking children who refuse to grow up without mummy and daddy assistance.

They might have impressive anime collections and such, but at what price? To freeload there whole life and rely on someone else, pathetic.

Anon, I hate to point this out, but I think a lot of English anime fans are also living with their parent(s), lol

cant afford, dont buy or work. OR learn Japanese.
fact is
you dont pay you steal, "omg its too expensive so I steal them" wow how old are you? 2?
cry baby

Haha! My teacher, Japanese, 37 said this to me, when some friends and I asked her about 2ch: "2ch!? Are you nuts!? Don't hang out with racists, xenophobes and idiots! You'll soil yourselves! They are the trash of Japanese society! Just a bunch of NEETs, hikikomori and cowards that would never tell you anything to your face. You might as well waste your time with Facebook drama. That won't get you a brain tumor at least."

So... If a lady who specializes in teaching her tongue to us foreigners, promoting her culture and taking her students to trips over her country has that to say about 2ch, well...

2ch is exactly like 4chan, they are both full of idiots. Only complete scum acts and carries on like they do.

However, you cannot deny their investigating abilities.

Compared to the Japanese price anime is cheap here, that's because it's absolutely rediciously expensive in Japan itself.
The dollar price for a season is often the same as the price for just 2 episodes in Japan going by the prices I've been reading here on Sankaku Complex in some articles.

Well that's just comparing US and Japanese prices though, stuff arrives in an even lesser amount in the rest of the world.. and even later.. and over here, even more expensive. (and subbed rather than dubbed, but that's a plus ;) - although it obviously takes both less investments and time)

And yes, I was using the Euro, and Holland as a standard. These 2 combined make a deadly expensive combo. And it gets even more expensive because almost no store imports any, and the onces who do raise the prices to the max.

wow, and so you think its ok to steal? just shut up and admit you are wrong for once. YOU ARE THE CRIMINAL. just admit it god damn it.

"And yes, I was using the Euro, and Holland as a standard. These 2 combined make a deadly expensive combo."

Quoted for truth.

Another Dutch mangafan here - and as you say, the Netherlands already is a pretty expensive country as it is, and the low availability and import costs only make things worse.

Especially with manga, everything that gets exported to the West gets exported to the US first, and *if* it catches on in America, then it *might* get an official release in the bigger European countries, like France and Germany.

The smaller European countries, though, are not so lucky. Proper translation and localization is expensive, and if it looks like the local market is just not big enough, the companies won't even take the risk.

That's why only the very most popular stuff (like Dragonball, Bleach and Naruto) gets a proper release here - and even then, the stuff is often translated from the American English translations, not from the Japanese originals.

The only real legal alternative is English translations imported from the US, which are available in specialized stores, but are often ridiculously expensive because they had to be imported.

...and for people like me, who like a lot of obsecure titles that propably won't even get an official US release, there's really no feasable alternative to pirating and scanlations.

Can't really blame them with all the crap happening in the world...

Religions blaming each other for past grievance, ignorant people following the media about being a proper human being...You know what I mean...

Hell, if some of my 'brought up really proper' friends see all the DFC and waki-exposing anime girl figures in my room, they'd leave me in a heart beat...

I wish in the future we could all learn to get along...Even if it's just in hentai, anime and manga...

Real "understanding people" are very rare. look what they did to Jesus.

And being a otaku elsewhere in the world is sort of a social stigma... Some morons think that anime fans are childish, immature, nerdy or geeky.

That pretty much sums up their IQ and EQ.

Azure, dude, I want to see your room.

I can promise 2 things:
1) I will, as long as possible, read the most recent releases of manga I like, and new manga I've never heard of online. Because THAT is where these things always come first.

2) I will BUY things I like. I've nerfed my own food budget before to buy books, games, anime, figures I like.

But seriously, The situation with scanlation probably won't ever change no matter what publishers do. And truthfully, if they press much further they'll end up hurting themselves more than anything else.

I don't think they would actually go after the the guys translating stuff manga in their dorms, if that's what you mean by "going further."

Because the majority of the Japanese that make noise are ignorant fucktards? I, however, know several Japanese that speak at the very least three tongues with varying levels of fluency. I don't know a single person from Singapore and only one from the Filipines.

I would like to meet some. I have seen ladies from Singapore and the Filipines and man, are they pretty.

In any case, Japanese able to cope and take advantage of globalization are there, only they don't make as much noise as the morons in 2ch, the hikikomori killing their families, creepy otaku, etc. Everything depends on how you are exposed to the people of Japan.

Same as with the people of the US. Some say they are all ignorant, arrogant and moronic, but I know a good quantity of people that are as fine as we can get from humanity.

what does that have to do with anything you idiot? that makes it OK to steal other peoples stuff?

Anon, I may not agree with all your extreme ideas, but I do like the 4th about translating older series. Far too many old manga (and anime as well) are completely neglected while 2 dozen scanlating or fansubbing groups compete to pump out a whore translation of the most popular series of the day, they should agree to have some people working on older things too.

Oh and, I do not think we feel entitled, it is more like EXTREME WANT for story and fantasy I guess. It is like, we are so fixated on consuming what has been produced we lose sight of the possibility of it running out in the future if people are not motivated by profit to continue producing it.

it's more like they get enraged over everything.
like the Aya Hirano thing going on right now.
hardcore fans turned flamers all on 2ch.

We do? last time I saw, the only company dedicated to manga had a major crash after the economical crisis and almost all of their branches around the country shut down exept on fucking D.F. Worst part? they'r not event getting new material, they'r just selling all they have on stock

in japan we wait about a year to see a newest movie. except for the ones that are famous.
so fuck off

The thing is though, I get the feeling they would...

Accepting one's current standing in life seems to be a pert of Japanese culture from what I have seen; they do not seem very rebellious, nor does change seem to appeal to them...