Nintendo apparently intends to eliminate piracy on its new 3DS with a suite of measures “too sophisticated to explain,” according to one bamboozled publisher.
Publisher THQ’s executive VP of global publishing is clear that in his view piracy has made DS publishing non-viable and that Nintendo’s efforts to stymie it in the new 3DS are essential if the console is to succeed:
“What excites me even more [than 3DS games] is that there’s technology built in that device to really combat piracy.
The problem with the DS market in the last few years, particularly with the DS Lite, is that it’s just been attacked by piracy. It’s made it almost impossible to shift any significant volume. The DSi combated it a little bit, but the 3DS has taken that a step further.
I actually asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it’s very difficult to do so because it’s so sophisticated. They combated the piracy on DSi, which they don’t believe is cracked yet – but they know they’ve been hurt across the world and they believe the 3DS has got technology that can stop that.
Therefore the opportunity for people to invest more in product development [on the system] and bring more 3DS products to market comes out of that. It’s going to probably cost us more to do it all in 3D – so we want to make sure we get a return on our investment when we do it.”
“Too sophisticated for us to explain it to you” – for one of THQ’s executives to accept so vapid an explanation this either indicates an extraordinary amount of trust in Nintendo, an even more extraordinary level of gullibility, or perhaps both.
Whilst most such promises of uncrackable protection have only seen the inevitable delayed, it is notable that the PS3 remains uncracked, so the commonly bleated pirate refrain that “no protection is uncrackable” may yet have to be discarded.
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Worse than PS3?
I honestly hope not
Yeah sony got my peanut butter on that one. I said at launch I'll get PS3 once I can pirate games. Well that was 3 yrs wasted.
The thing is, console business is being done subsidized, meaning they sell it below production/distribution cost and make back the money via the game royalties.
Otherwise you are right, I wouldn't buy a locked down platform either (especially since they removed the other OS feature). The business models are just pretty screwed up in this segment.
actually the wii was making allot per console, but you are right, almost every other console lost money.
but here is another thing to think of, ps3 is a bit impractical to pirate for. i believe when it came out, bluray discs cost over 30$ per disc, and even now, they cost a bit, 3$ a disc, nowhere near as bad as before. and isnt 1 core of the cpu devoted to the piracy blocking?
the 3ds to hack it you will need a few things, probably number 1 is to flash the firmware. and 2, you will need to manufacture a 3ds cartage thats blank.
i believe its ds compatible, so the carts will be flash at best. if they aren't, than that is problem 2, but i can handle load times being a little longer.
there are only a few things that i can see that would make the 3ds uncrackable, but at the same time there are ways to circumvent them all, the only reason the ps3 is suck a bitch was because 1 the medium made it unpractical, and 2 the 1 core to anti piracy. unless nintendo devotes an arm to that alone, piracy ahoy.
BR disks are just not so commonly used among other media. No wonder they've avoided piracy for so many years.
By the way, by comparing the game sales which launch on both XboX and PS3 you can also determine the approximate amount of copies potentially lost on Xbox because of piracy.
In theory, game sold on similar stations should be about 50/50, with some games sold less on XboX cus of pirates.
However 75% of Bioshock 2 game copies sold were on XboX 360. It was launched on both consoles and PC. Sales lost due to piracy... myth, or reality?
Source [http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-03-11/microsoft-s-xbox-sales-beat-wii-ps3-in-february-on-bioshock-.html]
@alidan "..and isnt 1 core of the cpu devoted to the piracy blocking?"
Technically, one of the eight SPE's is reserved for system functions and the hyper-visor (the CPU dispatches the workload to the SPE's).
In layman's terms, the hyper-visor puts the application into a sandbox + only runs it when the digital signatures are verified.
In other words, it's like a sophisticated application virtualization platform.
Now I don't know the architecture of the DS family, but I guess they are using some form of ARM processor, and that's not designed for this stuff, so they have to use more classical verification methods, making it somewhat more vulnerable, because the applications can directly communicate with the operating system core.
Sorry for too much techspeak.
Why pirate? I just buy all my games, it's not like it's too expensive.
This man speaks the truth. Sure, a lot of the better games are sold at the traditional $30 area, but there are plenty other greats (anyone play Locke's Quest?) that are dirt cheap. I've seen copies of Dokapon Kingdom at $9.99 where I live, for example. DS games are far cheaper than most figures I've seen (usually no cheaper than $30 with shipping and handling).
The whole "I'm not buying a system 'till it's cracked" deal is just so much mewling from lazy, neck-bearded glue-sniffers who want to justify their spoiled, self-entitlement issues.
THat's all I've got to say about that.
Some of the best games I've ever bought were $10 or below, but I'm a PC gamer, so those prices actually happen pretty often for good stuff. I don't get why people are so obsessed with pirating, 'woo free' is usually not as good a reason as 'woo support the company so they continue making good games'. My DS is just being an alarm clock right now, beat Disgaea DS, and nothing else around for it that's caught my interest.
I remember seeing an MS comic that perfectly represented this: A gamer is pissed when he finds out that Babyz: Ten Ittle Babyz sells 3 million units. Then he finds Phantasy Star Zero and downloads the rom...and proceeds to rage when he learns that it sold only 3 copies.
If there's nothing but shovelware on a system, it's because the better 'hardcore' titles aren't selling and all of those pet simulators are selling gangbusters. Pirates are just shooting themselves in their own feet, then complaining about it.
Please also note that most of the games that'll be on this baby is gonna be in 3D, hence it'll probably up a lot more that $30..well, at least for the epic games that is.
A small portable device with limited CPU power having super sophisticated piracy protection? lulz
They probably do a CRC check or something...
Why pirate? I just buy all my games, it's not like it's too expensive.
You say that because u may live in a place where they actually officially distributed and cost cheap.In my country if costs 30 dollar in USA here costs 70
Apparently, the anonymous that says that "games aren't expensive' hasn't seen the 100 dollar prices they want for quite a few games!
Yes, they ARE FUCKING WELL EXPENSIVE! Too expensive for anyone except Lebron James to buy them all legally.
What DS game is sold for $100 dollars?!
if it's too much then buy 2nd hand...
I guess it will be harder to Pirate games?
;/ a reason why the price of games is so high is because of the loss game companies make caused by downloading and if you look well on the internet you can get the newest games for 50 euro instead of the normal 60 and pc games for 40, so it isn't super bad, but you arn't able to buy all the games you want but that is with everything we always want more than we can have, pay for.
As with physical locks, computer security only has to be good enough to defeat your most probable opponents long enough to make it economically not-worth-their-while to spend the resources to break your security.
It's no good installing Medeco locks, if, next to the 'secure' door, there's nothing more substantial than a plasterboard wall.
In the console game world, *commercial* pirates have more economic incentive to crack a system than Joe Average.
And, *commercial* pirates aren't going to tell anyone how they cracked the system (presuming they did so). They want you to buy *their* pirate discs (Helloooo, China!).
Sony, Nintendo, et. al., only have to make their systems 'un-crackable' for as long as they expect companies to sell games for them, and the console manufacturers to get their cut of those sales.
"...asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it’s very difficult to do so..."
A hint of superiority-complex?
Try us, Nintendo.
I'm pretty certain it's both superiority complex and trying to intimidate the pirates.
Considering how megapopular Nintendo portables are... I don't know if it's the same kind of situation as PS3's.
the problem is they don't think in terms of, o scary lets stay away, they think in terms of BRING IT THE FUCK ON
Most humans tend to have the "bring it the fuck on" attitude when you challenge them and attempt to belittle them at the same time...
our bodies are not ready
I really don't see the problem with what Nintendo said.
"lol not telling"
Giving everyone a headstart to cracking it would be incredibly retarded.
*look at PS3*
I believe what the Nintendo executive meant to say was "Its so complex, that I dont even know!"
3DS is protected by a small sign inside the system that says "Please don't hack me."
Oh, I have no doubt that it's hard for Nintendo to explain to a "VP of global publishing" of a game company. That just screams not just suit, but non-technical marketing droid. The best you can do with that type is to tell them something is "magic" and hope they go away, as trying to explain tech things to that sort tends to go horribly wrong in my experience.
challenge accepted
Might be worse than PS4.....
I somehow feel their over-exxagerating. Nintendo has still yet to find a full blown way to get rid of "The Homebrew hacks"
Genius.
So protected that you cant replicate it ever again :P
In time my friend.. In time...
You mean like how the Famouse PS3 hacker "Geohot" went from Zero to hero?
and his only achievement was the removement of linux and a mass of people bitching about him?
he the only thing seems to work,so yeah,we need some other guy that can pirated ps3 and 3ds ,even if they could they will not be remembered by anyone,anyone could tell me who the fuck pirated the ps2 first??or the psp??
psp i know is dark alex,mainly because the console require us to upgrade the software and we tend to go to the hacker place to get it >_>.Ps2 i have no idea
So protected they cant get any of the games to work. :3
That is actually a problem with some PC games.... so protected that they have to release a crack for their own protection in order to get the damned games to work.
i'm looking at you, Spinter Cell: Chaos Theory...
So... It means I will have to borrow my Love++ waifu from somebody, or even worse - buy it used?
Would your friend allow his waifu to two-time him with you? Probably not... Unless their imaginary relationship was an open one. =P
This will be provided by 3DS ad-hoc capabilities, I presume.
Love Plus Party, he-he. Minilove.
You'd buy a damn second hand slut? For shame.
Hey, she's more experienced.
And if you met some actual women in your life blah-blah-blah and all this usual shit people write in 'virgin' threads on Sankaku...
It's not "women". Most people don't want their teenage waifu to be a raging slag.
What kind of loser are you that you had to have a second hand girl in high school? *scoff scoff scoff*
What kind of loser were you that you wanted a high school girl AT ALL
-.-
Considering Love Plus is a Virtual Prostitute game.People can disagree, but is It worth the price to buy a virtual girl that can interact with you then a real one?
Someone will find a way.
the question is, are they willing to share ?
yes otherwise he will have to buy the game and upload to his craked 3DS, but cause no one has uploaded the game to the net -_-