“3DS Copy Protection So Complex We Can’t Explain It”

nintendo-3ds-e3-001

Nintendo apparently intends to eliminate piracy on its new 3DS with a suite of measures “too sophisticated to explain,” according to one bamboozled publisher.

Publisher THQ’s executive VP of global publishing is clear that in his view piracy has made DS publishing non-viable and that Nintendo’s efforts to stymie it in the new 3DS are essential if the console is to succeed:

“What excites me even more [than 3DS games] is that there’s technology built in that device to really combat piracy.

The problem with the DS market in the last few years, particularly with the DS Lite, is that it’s just been attacked by piracy. It’s made it almost impossible to shift any significant volume. The DSi combated it a little bit, but the 3DS has taken that a step further.

I actually asked Nintendo to explain the technology and they said it’s very difficult to do so because it’s so sophisticated. They combated the piracy on DSi, which they don’t believe is cracked yet – but they know they’ve been hurt across the world and they believe the 3DS has got technology that can stop that.

Therefore the opportunity for people to invest more in product development [on the system] and bring more 3DS products to market comes out of that. It’s going to probably cost us more to do it all in 3D – so we want to make sure we get a return on our investment when we do it.”

“Too sophisticated for us to explain it to you” – for one of THQ’s executives to accept so vapid an explanation this either indicates an extraordinary amount of trust in Nintendo, an even more extraordinary level of gullibility, or perhaps both.

Whilst most such promises of uncrackable protection have only seen the inevitable delayed, it is notable that the PS3 remains uncracked, so the commonly bleated pirate refrain that “no protection is uncrackable” may yet have to be discarded.


    Post Comment »
    151 Comments
    Sort by: Date | Score
    Avatar of ntbxp
    Comment by ntbxp
    03:54 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I have an curiosity: Which console and games are more monetarily lucrative?

    Uncrackable like PS3 and their games or crackable like DS, PSP and their games?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:49 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    challenging hackers is always a very bad idea

    and btw, you just CANT compare DS piracy to PS3 piracy those are completely different beasts, DS games are MUCH smaller and easy to get, you can pretty much fit all the games released for it in a cheap microSD card making the cost of storing the copy practically 0 (compare with the huge cost of downloading and burning a blu ray disc), the size of the user base is also completely different, the DS has what, 100 times more users ? its a completely different scale

    also the fact that a corporate suit doesn't have a clue how technology works tells me nothing about the strength of the copy protection

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:28 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In other words, it's probably the same as the DSi.

    Avatar of KittyFields
    Comment by KittyFields
    08:24 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You know what makes me sad? If it really is uncrackable and stupid Namdai decides to release a Tales game for this system we'll never, ever see it in English because all possibility of fan translation will be over.

    Seriously, if games as great as Mother 3, Soma Bringer, and Tales of... games come out on this system I will be very sad. Bye bye, fan translations. T_T

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:38 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Worse yet, it will probably have region locking like the DSi, so you wouldn't even be able to play the originals unless they're designed only for the DS. It hasn't really been such a big deal with the DSi, because there's not a big difference so games don't often go the DSi route (and it's only DSi specific software that can be locked). But the 3DS is a big step... 3DS specific software will be coming in a big way, and that could be locked.

    I'm really hoping that Nintendo backs away from region locking stupidity... I couldn't care less about pirating games (I already have more games already than I have time for) or homebrew (I have plenty of other devices that I can program and run arbitrary software on). But region locking will have me looking to crack my system (which is part of why it's so stupid, it just encourages people to unlock their systems).

    Avatar of Sukunai
    Comment by Sukunai
    08:24 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anonymous said:
    For those who don't realise and some people who have already mentioned this.
    DRM and copy protection is not supposed to be foolproof but is designed to delay cracking for the first few months a game is released, as those few months are when generally games make most of their money.
    After that sales will slowly tapper off.

    I'm sure a few companies actually believe it too.

    I know one company, I was told they had drm on their games. I wouldn't have known it if not told though. I usually make a disc image to make it so I don't need disc in drive. I wonder if they thought that was good enough (the need for disc in drive).

    I buy most of my games from Matrix Games (they publish wargames). All they require is a serial on install. They offer updates that usually bust illegal serials of course. No biggie, you don't pay, why expect to get updates that work :) But I can install where ever, as often as I please and never once need to do anything else but use the serial.
    That says to me they like me enough to not piss me off with useless DRM techniques.

    I have yet to ever see a new game fail to be on the download scene the same week of release. Well accept PS3 games :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:48 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't worry, the hackers will explain it for you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:42 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Gee, I hope it's as safe as my PS2 and Wii.

    /sarcasm

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    We need Dark_Alex(Dude who made custom psp firmware) to work on the 3ds.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:23 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    THQ probably took a glimpse at the code, then realized it was a clusterfuck of random code thrown together in such a haphazard way that no one in their right mind could crack it.

    They are also probably hoping people not in their right minds aren't allowed to buy 3DSs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:50 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Confident eh? Give it a couple of years.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:00 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    they said that about the PS3...

    maybe all the good hackers are long-gone and grew up past hacking o3o

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:48 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol. They all probably got real jobs by now.

    Avatar of H.exe
    Comment by H.exe
    Comment by Anonymous
    23:03 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    n1 ... you wont be able to hack the 3ds protection? mega phail. Ubisoft said that their protection was also "a new revolution in copy protection".... well it was, but only for the first 3 weeks xD. After that every game with the ubisoft protection was cracked in like 3 days.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:59 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you guys remember how back in the day, no one gave two shits about what console is hackable or not?

    now it seems losers won't even touch a console they can't fuck with these days.

    you wanna crack your PS3? have fun trying

    if the 3DS is just as hard to crack, I'll be here laughing at all the morons 'waiting' for it to get cracked and missing out on playing all the games :D

    Avatar of Satsuki Shion
    Comment by Satsuki Shion
    02:21 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo finally pissed-off i think?
    Guess gonna need to buy a real copy of Love Plus...

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:31 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Heh. I'm not buying.

    I have a Xbox360 and a PS2, both unlocked. The interesting thing is that I only unlocked my Xbox recently and before unlocking I had 3 original games. Now I have 7 already. It would still be 3 if I had not unlocked it, specially after I found out (by playing the games) that 2 out of the 3 were completely useless crap - lucky me I bought them used.

    Avatar of Master Evil The Return!
    01:51 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol i give them A for trying.
    seriously when you think about it, every game system or game has been cracked the only acceptation are the game cube and the ps3 and the reasons on that is the game cube used those small proprietary disc and Blu rey is to expensive and holds to much data.
    3Ds isn't any different all it going to do is keep a hacker busy for about a few months hell if this is a bluff a few days. Got to say they got some serious balls to just challenge the hackers.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:48 14/11/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    But the gamecube WAS hacked, haven't you heard of dolphin?

    Avatar of Rya
    Comment by Rya
    01:42 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'll just wait for an emulator that ignores copy protection. It's bound to happen.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i bet this will get hacked in few 1 week or even 1 day

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:49 16/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They are still using the same system yes? The Cartridge yes? Then we still have a fighting chance. Flashcarts will be out in less than 3 months of the release yes?

    Avatar of Para
    Comment by Para
    06:51 16/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just like Microsoft said the Xbox360 was unhackable now look mods and hacks everywhere as far as the eye can see, yeah there is the whole ban from Xbox Live scare but like that is going to stop hackers.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:09 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah because they've lost so much money to piracy that they can't even bring out new versions of their handheld console...oh wait

    Avatar of Trollkastel
    Comment by Trollkastel
    08:24 17/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well i don't give a damn as long as it's not region locked.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:19 21/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wouldn't explaining anti-piracy measures just get them cracked faster?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:43 22/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But... I want my 3d homebrew, Nintendo! D:<

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:36 17/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, just buy the darn games or import them.

    Avatar of darknetwork
    Comment by darknetwork
    17:27 18/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yeah, everytime i look at amazon. i have to multiply it by 160% to reach the real price at my country.
    though i'm still buying it

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:42 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    it'll be cracked

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:39 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Did they not know that majority of their console sales comes from piracy? Look at their Wii and DS sales. They're off the planet, and look at PS3 sales, it barely even made it to the ceiling.
    Are they not happy about it, or would they rather see their console sales plummet?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:03 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How can a sale come piracy? There's no money being exchanged. And if you're thinking about the number of people playing their games, I doubt it's even possible to really count the number of people playing pirated copies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:47 16/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No friend, he is not talking about the games sales, he is talking about the consoles sales, if its easy to pirate, the games are easy avaiable and more people will buy the console. Now, I know that some consoles are selled at a loss price and that the money came from the game sales so of course piracy bring problems , but I think that lower prices in the games can serve as a incentive to move out of piracy, if I could choose about let's say a $5 pirated game or a $15 original game I would buy the original, but when the choice is between a $5 pirate and a $100 original well...

    Avatar of Artefact
    Comment by Artefact

    Nintendo are more a publisher than they are a consumer electronics company I'm afraid.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:32 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Some people here says that games are cheap and ask what DS game are $100 or more, well here are a litle list of prices in dollar here in Brazil from the site Submarino.com.br, keep in mind that this prices don't include shipping:

    Drawn to life: Next Chapter = $124
    Final Fantasy XII Revenant Wings = $119
    Pokemon Heartgold Version = $113
    Pokemon Soulsilver Version = $113
    Lego Batman: The Video = $113
    New Super Mario Bros = $113
    Mario Kart = $113
    Pokemon Diamond = $113
    Fifa Football 2006 = $113
    Whack-A-Mole = $113

    And so on! So yeah, buying original games is very cheap everywhere...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:56 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well what do you expect, living in Brazil? If you have to import everything (my Portuguese is rusty, but that is what "importado" means, right?), naturally it's going to be more expensive...

    So Nintendo should make their system hackable for the sake of the countries where they don't officially sell their hardware?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:49 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    he is just saying games are not cheap everywhere and you should not disregard the price so easily

    also you should consider that not only they are 2x times more expensive than us in Brazil (they are around 3~4x times more expensive in Argentina btw and much harder to find) but that the average paycheck in south america is only a fraction of one in the US or Europe, one of those games might cost half a monthly paycheck here

    are you surprised the piracy ratio in this area is HUGE ?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:50 16/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yet most piracy happens in these rich countries like the USA. They can buy it, but what's the point when they can get it for free?

    If the 3DS really is uncrackable it's a good measure, because they're left with no choice.

    Avatar of Ota-Kool
    Comment by Ota-Kool
    09:18 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3DS You're going down! 3 Dip Shit!

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:21 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Incoming 3DS games will cost $50 a pop ;)

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:57 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For their sakes I hope it works.

    Avatar of Para
    Comment by Para
    13:08 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just like when Microsoft said the Xbox's copy protection was impossible to exploit. When the 3DS comes out, I give the copy protection about maybe a few weeks or a couple of months, it will not last a year.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:22 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL...I feel sorry for the people that say DS games cost $100. Maybe $100 of YOUR dollars, wherever you may be. Here, in the US, they usually cost $30 ($40 if it's a Pokemon game or something primo).

    I'm not rich and I've had no trouble buying games that I like.

    As for unhackability....that which science produces can be reproduced.

    Avatar of Sukunai
    Comment by Sukunai
    22:47 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Perfect copy protection eh yawn.

    Nothing like spitting in the face of hackers who only hack for the challenge.

    The only people that pirate are cheap cunts. Hackers hack for the challenge of the hack.

    Myself, not so interested. 250 bucks plus tax to go back to a smaller screen just because it makes slightly prettier pictures? Not fucking likely. I got 90 bucks for my DS lite which made the DSi XL not such a painful price and I got a massive screen size increase.

    My next hand held purchase will be a Kindle/iPad competitor that isn't the price of a new laptop. Because if I can get a laptop for the same price, I am buying the laptop eh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:50 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I won't buy a 3DS if I can't get my free gaems.

    Avatar of CC
    Comment by CC
    19:23 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    already mentioned above they're likely to sell the hardware at a loss to make up for it with the software, so I doubt they'll miss you as a customer.

    Avatar of alidan
    Comment by alidan
    19:47 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i'm actually betting that they do something to break even. i mean they have the ability to go balls out and take a loss, but i don't think they will.

    Avatar of SpideyPHL
    Comment by SpideyPHL
    20:30 14/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nintendo never sells their console at a loss. As they said with the Wii, they can't afford to, since unlike their competitors this is all they do. Of course, what you ended up with in Wii's case was a console that was outdated the day it came out, which is hurting it in the present, but then normally by now a new generation would at least have been announced.

    As far as being uncrackable...well, we'll see. I'm surprised no one has pointed out this gem though:
    “What excites me even more [than 3DS games] is that there’s technology built in that device to really combat piracy."

    Really? Aren't creators supposed to be excited about the new possibilities of a system rather than just stopping piracy? I think he has the wrong outlook on things if he's thinking about how to stop piracy more than actually, you know, make games. Of course, this would put him in the same head-space as a lot media executives.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sure he is excited about the possibilities of making new games. He just wants to know that people are actually going to fork over money for all of his work.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:11 15/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He's the "VP of global publishing"... that's not a "creator" job, that's a marketing one. People in marketing naturally care about sales first.






    Post Comment »

Popular

Recent News

Recent Galleries

Recent Comments