Miyazaki: iPad Users “Nothing But Chronic Masturbators”
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jul 13, 2010 16:42 JST
- Tags: Apple, Chikan, Hayao Miyazaki, iPhone, Onanism, Studio Ghibli, Technology
Hayao Miyazaki, of Studio Ghibli fame, has launched into one of his trademark rambling tirades against the ills of technology, likening “iWhatever” users to “chronic onanists.”
The remarks came in the context of an interview with Miyazaki published in “Neppu,” an in-house Ghibli rag, which had been covering the iPad.
Upon being confronted by an interviewer fiddling with his iPad, Miyazaki let loose:
“That thing that looks like a gaming device in your hand, along with that strange stroking movement you make with your hands is by no means attractive to me, nor am I at all impressed by it. I feel a sense of revulsion for it, in fact.
I’m sure in short time there will be an increase in people on trains making those strange masturbatory strokes. It was the same when everyone started reading manga on trains, and when it became cellphones – I’m fed up with it.”
That was merely his initial statement.
The interviewer went on the defensive, describing how he thought the iPad a good tool for research, and something to buy books on and look up information with.
This only aggravated Miyazaki further however:
“It may seem like I am ignoring your human rights to say this, but you can’t research any of that. Why? Because you have no way of knowing what it’s like to be on an old trireme, or having empathy with the men on board, covered in sweat as they labour at their oars.
You go out into the world without enriching your imagination. You are merely grasping the iWhatever as a skimming tool you use to stroke yourself.
I’m sure there are many people who want to become omnipotent by getting their hands on this iWhatever. I’ll tell you sir, there were once a bunch of people who wore radio cassette players (those bulky things) wherever they went in the sixties. They wore it like a priceless emblem.
They’re mostly probably living off of pension funds now, but you and them are the same. You jump at the newest gadgets, and all you do is relish the pride in owning one as some consumer.
You must not become a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”
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"You must not becomes a consumer. You must become someone that creates."
If there are more creators than consumers, that's even shitty, no one will bother to buy your stuffs.
If there will be only creators and no consumers, there will be nobody to buy their shit.
Don't need to buy shit, you'll trade for other shit.
buying is more efficient
so we go back to barter system again? doesn't sound wise to me either.
(BlackEpsilon)
I think downloading is more efficient.
You're missing the point. He wants you to build a trireme and sail with a bunch of sweaty men, and frankly I couldn't agree more.
What's this? Build a triereme and sail with a bunch of sweaty men? Sounds fun! How do I start?
Can we skip building the trireme and go with the bunch of sweaty men...I mean lolis?
Mr. Miyazaki is basically telling you not to watch the animes his studio creates but instead create ones that are much better than his.
That reminds me, I have to masturbate while my Iphone battery charges!
The iWhatevers must be filled with lolis to have it being masturbated like that.
Creators are also consumers you tards...
And, as much as i love technology, i agree with some things he said. Personally i look around and only see brain-dead people, if you think technology is the way to the future, then think again.
Welles, people, Welles.
he's entitled to his opinion, even if it's stupid. then again he is getting up there in age, and it seems the older you get the more you complain about new fangled technology. if it were up to people like him we'd be in the dark ages. i still love his anime, and respect him as an artist, though.
so much sense in your comment!
i also agree with this man. it's aggravating seeing everyone rush to the nearest electronic store to just get the newest POS that just will have as much bugs as the cheap rip offs that'll come out in months. It's senseless. :\
i think that is just how people are. they like new things so they rust to get it first even tho they know its going to have problems. apple stores have lines that are 6 blocks long. but imagine the satisfaction of saying "i got the iPad on the first day it was out!"
(i was just using that as an example i don't think iPads are so cool personally)
I don't even use an iPad simply because I don't know what I want to do with one.
The words "Will it blend?" come to mind...
Welcome to the GOLDEN AGE OF MODDING! EPIC POPULATION: EVERYONE with iPADs!
To 16:49
we will have to check
Other creators (which are still consumers)
NO NO NO. You must (NOT) consume. That's what he is saying. Obviously hypocrite as he sells what he creates, unless he does it to relish in the hate for the people that buy his shit.
What does this mean to you? "You must not becomes a consumer. You must become someone that creates.”
He's creating a false dichotomy. So you can only either consume or create? It's perfectly possible to do both as you just stated, but he is trying to imply you can't.
Who'd guess the guy is an asshole?
He isn't editing wikipedia, he just used an effect phrase to say we must not be slaves of consumerism. Creating doesn't necessarily mean you gotta sell what you create either.
Learning how to make yourself a chair instead of wasting half day to go buy a crappy ikea one, or make yourself a new table lamp out of old stuff you don't need anymore is already creating.
What the old man really is trying to say is that instead of rushing behind whatever useless order or gimmick we are given, we should stop and try to learn to dominate our surroundings, instead of being dominated by them.
I appreciate his core point, but it came off as just wrong. For one, there is nothing wrong with consuming. But it'd be nice if people are more on the creative side, but I don't like how Miyazaki is making this a divisive issue when it simply isn't.
Secondly, jeez, 'masturbatory motions'? That is pretty damn sick... Also, I don't mind people relying on old-world technology, but then Miyazaki goes on an Andy Rooney style diatribe about modern society and how everything we do are bad, annoying, etc etc.
Honestly, I admire Miyazaki as an animation genius, but that article made my respect for him as an intellectual man plunge quite a bit. Sounds to me like everyday jaded and disgruntled old person.
Your argument sounds too desperate...
Seriously? He stumbled over one sentence! He makes a valid point about how people are obssesed with fleeting bullshit (such as 98% of all apple products)and all you can do is cry about one sentence. Its pathetic if you really think that he means to stop comsuming alltogether, maybe if you read into the context you can see that hes talking about spending $1500 on a computer that you jerk off.
Fucking hipsters- who would have figured they were trolls?
And that answer just proved his point to you. You just look whats in the outside without looking into the meaning of things, like the phrase you mistook for just one angry statement instead of looking outside the box.
SIGH
Yeah, being a consumer and being a creator are not a dichotomy. All he's saying is that you shouldn't be a passive consumer and let others push their stuff on you like you're a blank slate... you should be creating and putting your own stuff out there. But it's not like you should stop consuming to do that... taking what others have done and building on that is a way to create.
But then again, aren't we all technically creating? Like...the internet, it's our creation of ideas/games/knowledge/porn/whatever.
Of course there -are- some mindless people out there, but still. He does have a point, but his way to describe it is just....><....I have to agree with Shippo about the "masturbatory motions". That was...a bit too much.
Why are creators and consumers a dichotomy? You can do both, and generally most people do.
He's just urging people to be more creative. People used to say that "TV melts your brain". Same thing.
"generally most people do"?
you honestly think most people actively create? really?
...most people are just retards...
stampede is right, there have been studies on the news that say that like 1% of netizens create videos and stuff.
But are they masturbating during creation?
Hideaki Anno described Evangelion as "a masturbation show". He's got the right idea!
Hmmm...i suspect he can no longer masturbate himself. No wonder he sounds bitter.
If he wants to talk how to save both humanity and nature he should talk against overpopulation.
But i love his works, whatever stupidities he may sprout during his free time.
and down goes the trade :3
If you are a creator, why bother buying something in first place?
Unless you're some omnipotent creator, then you need to buy things you can't create yourself.
Does the blacksmith make his own furniture or does he buy from the woodworker? Does the tailor grow his own food or buy from the farmer?
Mmmmm, this is alot of sense. Make something nobody can make for themselves, and buy what you can't make for yourselves.
The old man seems to be losing it...
nope you never had it , old man is complaining about positional goods and mindless consumption of things marketing tells you need .
LCD Hime with iPad? iHime? iFap?
Someone should develop software for that! ^_^
Congratulations on missing the point.
He means that you needn't be mindless consumers, not that everyone should be "creators" at all times. He's simply asking that people exercise their brains once in a while in order to be discriminating consumers and seems to be angry at the fact that people eat this sort of hype up like a dog eats its food.
Can't say I blame him. The brain seems to be an extraneous organ in about 90% of the human population. If it weren't for people like good old Hayao here, we'd probably all be wallowing in some sort of consumerist hellhole, buying whatever is presented to us without question.
Gotta agree. I'm not a big fan of Miyazaki and he's clearly into his oldaged-conservative-days but this time he's totally right.
Apple and its ishit stuff will sell no matter how crappy they are because of mindless costumers.
We are in the consumeristic era after all.
It saddens me that they call it the "Information Era" for whatever reason. Most consumers nowadays are still mindless sheep who'd flock to anything that's advertised to them.
Uhm Alucard, I just uploaded that avatar to this site yesterday, didn't go with it in the end but I'm wondering if it may be somehow related.
Maybe is just a weird coincidence. Also yuri rules.
Well, it's the sign of the times, I'd say. However, the iShit is not the only line of merchandise that sells like hotcakes despite being bloated in price and less useful than other less expensive devices.
As much as his statement sounds like bitterness to technology and other stuffs, I can agree that Apple sucks.
Only useful things that came from Apple is the old iPod and the iPhone other than it's all bullshit and just status symbols.
There's also the original Mac which created the point and click interface used today. So I'm wondering, if the Mac, iPod, and iPhone are the only useful things, then which of their products exactly are the bullshit ones?
Well mindless corporations buy Windows PCs how is that any different?
People buy what they want Windows, Macs, Dildos, hookers, whatever.
mindless corporations buy PC because of compatibility issues. to train a whole new set of tech staff so service a different type of system & replacing all the systems is also very costly. also note that PCs work better than Macs when ur making servers.
that aside, it's just a monopoly issue.
Yup, windows (still) is industry standard.
That, and Apple builds expensive gadgets you can get cheaper and / or better elsewhere.
Which makes me wonder why in fuck's name do people flock to buy their devices like that. I just can't understand it.
@ NakkiNyan
However, people who use PC's generally know how a PC works, unlike Mac users.
People who build PCs create, they know the ins and outs of the hardware, buy the parts they want for the right price, and instal whatever OS they want. This is the kind of creation Miyazaki admires.
However, Macs are rushed out every year, offer no customization, are sold for prices WAY higher than what costs to build them, and people just buy them because, well they're macs.
Mac users are the ultimate examples of sheep, who buy what people tell them to, instead opf learning to build their own PC.
Well, here is how it works:
Elite programmer: Linux
Gamer: PC
Artist: Mac
This is only based on rumors though. I have yet to try to control a Mac or Linux myself, even though I've seen the program run on a computer before. I'm interested in experimenting, but there is no doubt if the rumors I've heard are true, that I'm going to use a PC/Linux. (Aspiring to become a game designer/Game programmer. So yeah :P)
Replying to the Mac hate above, you have to note that it is all standardised: All mac stuff works with other mac stuff, which can be a very large advantage in somecases
"There's also the original Mac which created the point and click interface used today."
Actually, Apple ripped that off from Xerox.
agreed, thats the real point... and also, STOP ONANISIM!
No iFap for you, young man. ^_^
Butbut... I like fapping from time to time.
Then join the Fapper Foundation ^_^
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/groups/fapper-foundation/
True, but most people who misses his point are probably amongst those 90%.
Ah...we have a like minded people here.
No, he's just chewing out someone using a computer with a touch screen - who apparently had legit reasons to use one - with a string of straw men and ad hominems.
It doesn't really matter if his anti-consumerism conclusion is right or not - I've gotten As for exams using what essentially amounted to this trick: [http://xkcd.com/759/.]http://xkcd.com/759/.
No, the central thing that all this is about is his way of thinking. And that is something along the lines of: sees something new he doesn't understand (A), gets angry, ladles random idealistic conclusion from memory (B), shoehorns A to B with a hearty dose of get-off-my-lawn, and makes a fool of himself.
that's exactly right
You know, there are a lot of people who have creative hobbies because that's what they like to do. Think of all the people on deviantart and pixiv. Hell, even those goddamn fanfic writers are creators.
It has nothing to do with buying or selling stuff.
He is right about one thing: all those modern devices, netbooks, smartphones, iWhatever will in a no distant future be obsolete useless pieces of metal, a fad with the rights a joke, many people jump to buy those new gadget with no other desire than fulfill their consumption needs.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple
""You must not becomes a consumer. You must become someone that creates."
If there are more creators than consumers, that's even shitty, no one will bother to buy your stuffs."
failed logic, no human being are kami, no one can invent everything it needs, but everybody (theoretically) can contribute to the world.
besides I think it's a merely criticism to fallow-the-brand culture.
What he doesn't realize is that it's pretty easy to create things on the ipad for others to consume.
Before the XXth century there were more creators than consumers, people designed their own furniture, sewed their own clothes for the same damn reason to show off their personality (or even their future hopes) by the objects they were using. Well a sewing machine is a great improvement but compared to the old ages our dresses shows less and less uniquity, designers are reusing old styles to make something 'new'. And yes people that time were lazy enough to buy a pair of boots in the shop so they didn't made everyting on their own. I'm just saying compared to the old we fail at using our current technology to make everyone unique items, clothes, etc. Welcome to the new age of barbarism. ;)
He is being misunderstood.
He means you shouldn't buy for the sake of buying. You buy for what you want and need to do what you want rather than buying because of fads and trends.
IE you are using it for your own purposes. Replacing your latest iWhatever the the iLatest is the problem.
There is no evidence that the guy he got pissed at bought his iPad for the sake of buying an iPad. The owner certainly denied it and the iPad is actually a useful device that brings functionality other devices don't have (yet), unlike the iPod, the iMac, and so on (I'm not belittling those devices either, I'm just stating the truth).
And then there is the problem of the name calling, and the fact that he doesn't listen to the people he's talking to.
He isn't misunderstood. He's an arrogant ass who apparently refuses to think and talk at the same time. Yes, we all like his films, but I suspect we would like them a lot less if he weren't able to reign in this part of his personality when writing the script.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10543126.stm
Revealing Japan's low-tech belly
This is why Japan's fucking going downhill >.<
C'mon, I feel like so much fucking potential and resources are being wasted, for no good reason.
You are looking on the wrong side, iWhatever are just a new shape of mobile computers, it's not a technological breakthrough, have you read that US almost completely shutdown the space program and now rely in Russia to put people in the space ? not forget the sabotage of alternative energy projects, Instead they prefer to spend human brains into new generation of iFads
http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-09/japan-wants-power-300000-homes-wireless-power-space
This kind technology matter to the future of a nation.
It would be a beautiful world if everyone created something, it's not that there won't be buying power, one person cannot fulfill all his needs because he can only specialize in a limited field. So you buy from me a painting, I buy from you a gadget.
Nature works in cycles, we should learn from it.
I was just about to write that, what a fucking retard. So what if i want to be owner of new gadgets. If i want to watch manga porn in train then i am going to fucking do it.My life, my choice. If he dosnt like porn he shouldnt look at other peoples ipads. No one cares about this retarded moron, he cant stop me nor you.