The Sky’s the Limit for K-ON!! Plagiarism
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jun 30, 2010 23:18 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Copyright, K-ON!, Photography, Photoshop, Plagiarism
Some remarkable similarities in certain scenes from K-ON! and their apparent real world counterparts have been discovered, most notably these suspiciously similar cumulo-nimbus cloud formations.
This bucolic scene is also being treated with suspicion:
Whether this constitutes coincidence, innocent referencing or diabolical Simmonsing is perhaps in the eye of the beholder – K-ON! already has a reputation for consisting almost entirely of real world objects.
In any case, rather more troubling than any lingering concerns about copyright is just how 2ch manages to find these pictures…
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What exactly do you expect? Should movie crews shooting in a scene in New York gussy up the buildings so they look "original"? Would you rather that clouds looked like some Van Gogh piece? Or perhaps paper cutouts?
Fake serious reaction aside, Artefact is obviously trolling with this one. I don't think even he is jaded enough to actually believe drawing from observation is a bad thing. It is one of the fundamentals of art, afterall.
Man these guys must be bored as hell.
Why not do something more with your time?
You know like watching other Animes or reading a manga.
Or how about playing a videogame?
Anime uses photographic references for their scenery all the time. It's no surprise and it's very common. Gainax does it a lot in their shows (Gurren Lagann, Kare Kano, Evangelion) and I'm sure every anime has done so at some point. If they were to follow their reference very closely, it is alright as long as those photographs belong to them and most of the time they do.
Wait, have you read Bakuman?
In one chapter, they say this is okay, as there was a part where they started to plan for their debut manga. They mentioned that they can trace the background from tourist books they found.
So in other words, backgrounds are alright to be traced...
I wonder how they found that photo?
Most art is inspired by real things....
This is how you're *supposed* to use reference ffs!
sign that the summer vacation has begun
"Originality is the fine art of remembering what you heard but forgetting where you heard it."
I don't remember who said that but I think it fits here.
Watch out. Cloud copyright.
wtf?!?! it's a fucking sky what the hell? i wouldn't surprise if they accused u of wearing the same boxxers and such.
Oh, c'mon!!! "Plagiarism?!?" Who's gonna sue? God? And as far as that trail scene, I've seen similar scenes all over Germany!
So... where're the boobs?
One word reply to this: So?
Is it me or has Sankaku's recent editorial stance towards K-ON suddenly become hostile now that K-ON has been knocked off its lofty perch? lol
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/07/01/top-10-best-spring-2010-anime-most-awaited-of-summer/
I remember it was not too long ago that K-ON was treated more kindly in comparison to Haruhi, which was bashed so Endlessly since last August (pun intended). ;)
Wow, those otaku sure are something! To go out and find the SAME CLOUDS they used as a reference when making the anime! That must have taken some searching compared to when they do it for streets and landmarks!
;)
Someone really needs to learn the difference between plagiarism and referencing.
Is the portrait of Mona Liza plagiarism as well? Because Da Vinci sure copied the face of a girl.
Is it a girl? It could be a trap...
And a random formation of condensed water is licensed to bloody whom?
Face it, we humans should be ashamed of ourselves because we are a product of plagiarism, if that's how we are going to put it. We have blood cells made of iron, bones out of calcium etc and did we even ask for copyrights permission for that? Heh.
Or wait. 2D is the real thing and we are just failed attempts of plagiarising ourselves from it!
/sarcasm
Seriously, come on...
I guess 2ch is the true birthplace of trolls, not USA :)
What? Really? Even for this blog, this is ridiculous.
God, they're clouds! Get a life 2ch otaku! @_@
Few thousand 2ch idiots looking 4 some trouble? Nothing new. They must be pretty bored, let them have their fun xD
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Pretty sure this is the cloud from Cross Game. You know? That one cloud that is on some many episodes.
I thought this meant they had stole the footage from the web and copied it. But the way you describe it is nothing new.
So... what?
If they can cut corners on production costs, not causing job losses, staying fresh and (most importantly) out of other people's IP (not getting sued in the process), moar props to them.
I myself once worked on a script to automate certain bits and pieces of graphic design for a game (drawing takes you know ... time).
What, you want 1 mil/ep art like Afro Samurai with the level of "piracy" nowadays :D ?
It seems the actual meaning of plagiarism has been forgotten...
Yep at first when I saw anime it was amazing how 'real' some of the details looked from background scenes to characters. Turns out Japan was Simmonizing all along. That is Tracing photo after photo and multiple catalogs for women's clothes. Prior to 1999 or whenever it was they quit making anime with hand drawn cells it may not have been very clear it was being done. But now that its all done by computers details are almost exact as the original real life photos.
Oh come the fuck on now. You can't claim creative rights to the clouds in the sky.
*sees post title*
*sees content*
I died a little inside.
I think artefact is running out of ideas if all he can find to post about now is "OMG A DRAWING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE REAL WORLD PLAGIARISM PLAGIARISM!!!!!!1!!!1!!one".
congrats, you just found out that Sankaku is a plagiarism of anime news site
Maybe one needs to get out more if one needs a reference picture to draw clouds.
you actually need reference, unless you want your clouds looking like the ones in Super Mario Bros.
What's wrong with bushy clouds? :3
Howaboutno
2ch people can be stupid sometimes.
its not sometimes... its always
Sometimes?
Oh who the fuck cares! Artists use photographic references ALL the time. If they didn't, you'd only have ugly shit like Spongebob and Flapjack. People use references. Get over it. And besides, there are considerable differences from the animation from the original, so it's not like they're simply running them through photoshop filters. Someone is painting over the photo references, and that is something that is done on a daily basis by hundreds of artists around the world.
"Artists use photographic references ALL the time. If they didn't, you'd only have ugly shit like Spongebob and Flapjack."
Which is why western cartoons beat the shit out of anime in the artistic department.
Which is why anime beats the shit out of western cartoons in the artistic department.
There fixed that for you
cause western animes don't use traced backgroung alright
hmm yeah that must be the case, hence the fact that western anime are ugly
Wrong! It doesn't take much effort to trace a photograph (which is how 99.9% of anime backgrounds are made), so Western Animation > Anime.
What western "animes" are you talking about: Teen Titans? The Last Airbender? 'Cause they actually look better than most Japanese ones.
Only the otaku care about minuet things like that while the rest of us would say, "it's a freakin cloud....". "But at least this cloud doesn't have blond spiked hair and makes up portions of his life because he failed so miserably"
2ch detectives did it again...
Oh forget that, Jun needs more love.
Japanese people copies everything they like. Just see how do they copied european culture into their cartoon.
"Japanese people copies everything they like. "
Wrong country man. You're thinking about China. Japan is pro.
No, Japan is actually famous for its copying too.
The first anime characters were based on western cartoons. Astroboy was a copy of Mickey Mouse actually. The animation techniques stems from the USA, but they're just good at perfecting things they "stole". But stealing is such a negative word, every culture has something they copied.
The Japanese Kanji are Chinese words, but no weeaboo would say that they "stole" it from the Chinese. Romaji was "stolen" from English.
Why always use the word "stealing". We've got influences too from other cultures... It's not like things are copyrighted, and even if they are, they end up being a common object.
It's not like people nowadays say that all the light bulbs are Thomas Edison's copies...
btw, the japanese didnt create romaji, the damn english people created romaji, as it became a way so they could read, speak and understand japanese so they wouldnt need learn to read the kanji. It was created for english sake, by english.
Romaji is not from English.
Romaji is the used of Roman Alphabet to write whatever they want.... in Japanese
Funny thing is English also uses Roman alphabet to write words and etc. So Does that mean that English stole from the Romans (Italian's in present time).
I think the proper term should be "Borrowed" not stolen/steal. (Steal is for thieves). We don't want to be labeled as thieves for using this alphabet, right.
@3:43
English People didn't create Romaji. Romaji is Latin alphabet and it was invented by the Romans like Anon@3:10 already said.
lol@romaji created by English People, for english People. Why don't you just say that the Americans invented it. lol
And the Japanese were introduced to it in several events, mostly but not exclusively by the Portuguese and the Dutch. As for the Romans themselves, their alphabet was just one of a lineage of Italic alphabets that yielded runes as well, and was itself modified from the Etruscs' who got it from the Greeks who themselves got their letters from the Phoenicians, whose letters had travelled through the Sinai and Canaan, and ultimately derived from hieroglyphs (possibly in hieratic form). No culture exists in a vacuum.
Then one more thing. There's a difference between copying and stealing. Stealing is when the guy you stole something from doesn't then have it any more.
I posted this as a reply to comment 544424. I don't know why the commenting system decided this should start a new thread.
I believe the camera, wristwatch and walkman was very much copied and perfected by the Japanese. In the 60's, it's common to say an inferior product that's "Made in Japan". But anyways...
As for art sake, "copying" is define as slapping your name on an art belonging to others yours. For instance, Andy Warhol's picture of Marilyn Monroe in 4 different colors was sued by the photographer who shot that picture for copyright infringement. Andy won his case, because his had put effort in changing that photograph to look nothing like the final product of the photograph's original intention. Same goes with that Obama poster that the artist of Obey did, he was sued for using an AP photograph and won.
So for K-ON, the photograph has went through a process of work by the artist.
That's because Edison stole the light bulb from Tesla.
That's because stupid barbarians know nothing about the Japanese culture.
Back to the topic, I didn't know KyoAni would do something like this.
I don't think its unlawful. If you read 'Bakuman', it shows the main character using scenery reference books for his manga; implying that the practice is common among mangaka(and possibly animators). The alternative to this would be to make up whole landscapes ala dragonball
Just like how shitty your copied english is
what other language can I use, man? mexican?
OMG! I'm a language!!
And I can't even speak spaniash...
i suppose even google translater would be better tho
I can't speak spaniash too, can anyone here speak spaniash?
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I never knew "Mexican" was a language
european culture into their cartoon ?
funny, since europeans have no culture, and we've been flooded with japanese manga and anime since the 70's
Perhaps, but a lot of that early manga and anime was itself influenced by wartime comics and cartoons from the US - which in turn would have its own influences.
Culture is a feedback loop - the present iteration is not the only iteration.