Hackers dissecting the Xbox 360 “Slim” report a disturbing discovery – internal parts thought to be associated with RRoD failures remain unchanged, causing some to speculate that the new model may have the same problems which plagued older revisions.
At the heart of the speculation is the so called “X-clamp,” a part which is claimed to be one of the major contributory factors to RRoD, and which hardware hackers quickly noted with some consternation remains substantially identical between the models.
An explanation given by “modders” (actually just pirates using the usual euphemisms about “backups” and “modding”):
What are X-Clamps?
X-Clamps are metal brackets which hold the Xbox 360 CPU and GPU down tightly onto the motherboard. There are two individual x-clamps within the Xbox 360 which hold down the heat sinks for the CPU and GPU.
Since they have been poorly designed the x-clamps bend when introduced to immense heat (if you’ve ever played an Xbox 360 you know it gets hot), and with that bend the Xbox 360 motherboard and break the connection between the GPU (sometimes CPU too) and the motherboard, thus you will have a RROD.
Although there are many things that can cause the RROD this is the most common.
Supposedly after-market clamps can stave off these failures.
Failure rates in the later revisions of the hardware are said to be less dire than the oft-quoted 54% figure, but the console still possesses an apparently well deserved reputation for atrocious reliability.
As to what parts cause most of the failures, only Microsoft can say (and they certainly seem intent on saying nothing), but excessive preoccupation with cutting unit costs at the expense of quality seems to characterise Microsoft’s gaming hardware.
Just how reliable the new version will be remains to be seen, but it seems Microsoft’s cunning removal of the red LED may have been its only effort at eliminating lingering problems in the new model.
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I am guessing they just put them x clamps so that they can put the 'X' in xbox, how stupid.
WOW, I can't believe you people, just think for a second... Do you guys really understand just how much money Microsoft lost dealing with the three red light problem? There was an article posted on various game sites that showed that it was well over a billion dollars, which had a lot to do with Microsoft stepping up and extending the warranty to three years. Hint: Microsoft surely didn't enjoy paying for that, but didn't want the market to abandon them. Plus, seriously, Microsoft is OBVIOUSLY in this for the long haul, so they aren't going to risk that kind of image or they WILL lose market share to other consoles, even looking forward to future console generations. In fact, they probably expect this fresh console to give fearful buyers a new sense of confidence when buying a 360 in hopes that the problem is solved, which it practically was on all Jasper units and on. I can't believe how stupid some of you are.
I do not think would be the same form factor, because the new xbox is smaller than the previous and the new no rear vent, it seems even more like this.
http://abstract360.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/xboxslim.jpg
compare the outside case with this pic
I honestly don't believe anyone's gotten enough access to the machine to crack it open.
RRoD is part of Old "Selling Cheap Hardware at High Prices" Strategy.
Well, I'm out. I don't know about the rest of Sankaku, but I'm tired of the troll that has been posting this bullshit. If this modding community was so "pro", then they would know that the x-clamps have changed.
Go ahead and bitch about a system you will never own, Mr. Troll, but when your PS3 bricks from a Sony-made update or the Blu-ray drive decides to shit itself, make sure you post it so others can laugh at your 90 day warranty.
I'm gone. I'll be at Animekon if anyone wants to join me. I'm tired of these bullshit post.
Actually removing the x-clamps causes premature failure. The x-clamp is designed to apply pressure to the center of the core, while the outer area receives pressure from being tightened down. it's the case which binds them all together. early systems has an issue which left many systems uneven from the factory and thinner x-clamps compared to later model systems.
Nearly any system 'fixed' by removing the x-clamps fails again, after a couple months. Removing them is bad, the gpu needs to be reballed, not patched.
Question: What is the difference between the original clamps and the aftermarket clamps?
I thought that a CPU clamp was a CPU clamp.
The key word here is "speculate". This is a useless article without proof.
oh well just keep trying microsoft you'll produce a more stable xbox(at the end of this generation)
Check this link out and judge the new 360 for yourselves. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-inside-the-new-250gb-xbox-360-slim/
IMO the redesign isn't vulnerable to the failures of the older 360's. The smaller manufacturing process is proof of that. One failure of the new 360 is that you cannot move it while the disc inside is spinning.
INSTANT SOLUTION! MOVE TO CANADA AND OPEN A WINDOW!
:) The climate may not be so forgiving to inhabitants, but why in the fuck would you go outside anyway if you have a 360?
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How appropriate. My Xbox 360 had a second RROD the other day and I don't know if I should get a new one (it's pretty old) or just save up for a PS3. Either way, this development doesn't look too promising.
Don't forget...
The official name of the new 360...
The Xbox 360 Midget!
- RROD
- GROD
- SROD
Don't think the RODS will ever go away
Oh wow. So this shit is pretty much intentional, huh?
And for every new console a RROD victim has to purchase again, it's just another tally for MS's sales numbers.
I mean, seriously. When has MS NOT flaunted their sales numbers? There's no better marketing than the simple notion that the console is "more popular." The more unsuspecting parents get wind of this sales "fact," the more customers MS gets.
and now it gave me another though about buying it or not. i've already seen my friend's xbox with its problem which ended up with him buying a new console.
Fuck this article! I have seen the disassembled xbox 360 in anandtech website. The cpu and gpu is in one die and the manufacturing process is 45nm. Which means heat is greatly reduced as well as power consumption. The motherboard pictured above is the old xbox 360. The only true weakness of the new 360 is the inability to move the console while a disc is currently spinning.
Honestly ms doesn't make any money off consoles red ringing. If you're retarded and don't bother sending it in under warranty then yes it'll cost you. The red ring is covered indefinitely in MS warranty. I had my xbox since launch, until last summer it finally bit it and gave an error of E74 or something like that. I sent it back to ms (they paid the shipping) and they sent a new (most likely refurbished) xbox back to me. Granted I was w/o an xbox for a week but still...
Are you fucking nuts, the RRoD warranty is 3 years, and even if they fix, which I doubt, they don't announce, no information on it easily available, only the word of fanboys like you. And considering how stupid a person must be to buy a crapbox 360 It should be writen on huge letter on the box so they can get it.
They don't announce it? It's right in the fucking manual and when you go to register your Xbox. You're a dumbass troll just like the faggot that wrote this blog post.
It's not just the xclamps, its also the fact that the xbox 360 uses lead-free solder, which is really weak. so when the console heats up, the board loses connection with the gpu.
the way they try to solve this issue, is they reduced the size of the cpu and gpu from like 95 nm to 45 nm, so they dont get as hot as they used to. also in this xbox 360 they joined the cpu and gpu together, and now they have one fatty heatsink, and nice big fan... so it should be ok.. hopefully.
but if the console is in some really hot location of the world, then it will probably die.
lead-free solder is a requirement of ROHS, blame the European Union for that.
I'll just wait for one of my friends to buy this new model and see if my Guinea Pigs--er, friends will be jumping on it in rage over the next few weeks after it's release or not before I buy this...
moreno is correct.
This is a non-issue. The slim 360 generates a lot less internal heat than the previous models, and can get rid of any heat much more easily. If you've seen photos of the slim 360 with the casing removed, you'll also notice that the DVD drive is no longer sitting directly on top of the CPU/GPU (like it was before), and this reduces the amount of heat concentrated in that area.
It's little things like these that show just how hastily put together the original Xbox 360 design was.
It's almost completely obvious now, how they hit the gas in order to beat both Nintendo and Sony to releasing their new console so they wouldn't be left in the dust for yet another whole console hardware generation due to unabashed brand loyalty towards those.
They ended up screwing up, big time, but Sony screwed much worse, and they've paid dearly by forever losing their firm grasp over the market.
sounds awesome...somehow
all they did was change the color of the light
I actually think the older model looked better too, Glossy stuff looks annoying. Like an old dvd player that wanted to look futuristic.
at least the pls3 slim got rid of the dust/scratch/finger print magnet that was the original PS3. Everything about this new xbox slim is shit.
Microsoft, haven't you learned your lesson?
I've seen and KNOW people that just say "Well, I was banned for hacking my old one anyawys, may as well get the slim one"
Sad but true..
Microsoft knows full well what they're doing. The more models break, the more money they make. It's a fairly simple marketing strategy... At least from one point of view.
This shit has been going on for a long time. Parts are designed to break and have to be replaced; look at cars.
You sir' are an idiot.
Microsoft doesn't make more money every time a console breaks, they loose money.
It's cost them Billions of dollars already.
For starters... They used to loose money on every single console sold (Not sure if this is still the case, but the profits would probably be rather small now.)
And it costs them money every time they have to repair a machine, sometimes they might even have to replace it completely, this COSTS money not MAKE them money.
Then you need to look at the publicity hit they take from having un-reliable consoles, this costs them more money as well as less people are inclined to buy there hardware.
a good reason to avoid M$ consoles and as of late software too
Natural wear out, yes. Actually having a part that exists to contribute to the breaking, no.
But yeah, sales.
In the 1970s, Ford got in trouble for introducing a part that would intentionally damage the car -- sponges, designed to retain moisture (and, in northern climes where salt is used on the road, salt), causing body panels to rust prematurely.
This wasn't an "honest mistake" -- this was done specifically so the cars would have a shorter life span and people had to buy another car.
The problem is caused by heat, right? Isnt one of the upgrades about this Xbox Slim the heat reduction?
doesn't matter. artefact will continue to post whatever he can find from anyone who says negative stuff about non-sony junk as he continues showing his fanbody nature. and the MS bashers and ninty bashers will continue to believe it.
Fanboy sighted. Pass me the shotgun.
actually its true
there was a post recently where now it shows a screen saying youre xbox is shutting down and dont turn it on until the light stops flashing
true story. i heard that the itll produce a red light rather than the ring. the reason they believe its less likely to over heat is because of the ventilation. i heard it off a forum so it could be wrong
Dunno why people rated Daiyousei down.
Like he said it has been happening in the car industry for decades.
Some parts are designed to fail after a certain amount of time/distance which keeps the mechanics busy and the spare parts division's wallet padded.
Though I suspect that this design fault on the Xbox is more attributed to a rushed design than built in failure.
surprised not many people know of planned obsolescence. You learn that in undergrad business courses. Maybe students too busy updating their facebooks.
The reason why no one knows this is because they had enough sense to not major in something bullshit like business.
I did a degree in biology. You can learn a lot from tv and other sources without having to do a degree related to the knowledge. Seems odd that the excuse for ignorance is that no one did a degree on the subject material, since the information isn't exactly hidden or covered up.......
LOLZ
Good luck with that liberal arts major
@Anonymous 10:37
Maybe because the people here aren't even college age?
"Dunno why people rated Daiyousei down."
because dem xbros don't like someone hating on their console
They make things with cheaper less durable components- to cut cost (and quality) and so that the product effective lifespan is decreased. It's called planned obsolescence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
LOLZ
Isnt XBox console sold for less than its production costs? It would seem kinda stupid to lose money on each console AND make the consoles easily breakable to force players buy more consoles thus making MS lose even more money?
The extended three-year warranty costed them more than $1 billion.
That's $1,000,000,000.
Try to explain them that things don't work now the way they did back in the 70's.
It's more like "Gamers, haven't you learned your lesson"
Seriously, lets think about this. Who would you say, is the more unintelligent? Microsoft for producing an unreliable game system, or the masses who continue to shell out cash for a system they KNOW will fail? M$ will NEVER fix the RRoD problem as long as they know people will keep buying the system.
Amen!!! I had basically stopped using my Xbox 360 after buying a Wii, and ultimately decided to sell the 360, in large part because I was tired of having to send it to Microsoft every 10-12 months due to RRoD. If I buy another Microsoft console, it will either be because I have won the lottery and can afford to shed large amounts of cash, or because the replacement to the 360 (all versions) has been released and it has been proven to be far more reliable.
LOL Wii? Are you gay or something?
He's about as gay as you are.