Former Microsoft Boss: “Natal Will Fail”


A former Microsoft boss has stated that he thinks Microsoft’s upcoming Project Natal controller, rumoured to be dubbed “Wave,” will fail.

Scott Bayless, a former Microsoft studio manager who has held high level posts at Capcom, EA, Midway and Sega, is not confident about Microsoft’s handling of the controller, although he seems not criticise the hardware itself:

“When I met with Microsoft in 2008 to look at Natal I asked: ‘When will you integrate this into the 360?’

Their response was: ‘We’re probably going to wait and see on that.’ To which I said: Then you’re going to fail.'”

He goes on to explain that he thinks the controller will only serve to fragment the Xbox 360 market, not drastically expand it to families and little old ladies as Microsoft apparently hopes:

“Plays like this always fragment and the disincentive to developers is powerful; when I’m spending tens of millions on a game, the last thing I want to do is lose 90 per cent of my market.”

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    Comment by alex251
    02:57 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    MS, just make a wireless controller (wii) that doesn't look like a vibrator (ps3) and you are safe :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:49 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    First thing I had to say is that it resembles Eyetoy X the controll bar the Wiimote (however it is called) needs.
    Second it sound a bit how Sony originally wanted to make the second Eyetoy camera.
    Do you remember we were orginally supposed to get an HD Eyetoy camera, which sends out infrared light and could that way measure you and your movements to put them as controls inside the game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:28 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


    You know, even though I use Apple products, it's embarrassing to watch people on either side drag out the Micropple Wars at every single freaking chance. I prefer Mac right now, BUT in the past XP was my favorite of all the OS. Vista was crap and Apple took advantage and pumped out the best stuff. Now with W7, it's back to an even field insofar as OS goes. You can have as many personal opinions on which system you prefer, but stop trying to blast anyone who doesn't share your opinion on operating systems - makes you look like as much of a nubcaek as the retards who are STILL arguing over whether PS3 or 360 got a better Modern War 2.

    (And yes, I realize that I may have more clout with the nubcaek comment when I actually get off my lazy ass and register on the site)

    Now, on to the actual news story:

    Unless they drop that price tag on Natal/Wave, it's going to run into the same issues that have happened every time a peripheral was overpriced. Microsoft will have one shot, just one shot, to do this right and break Wii's stranglehold on motion games (and yes, many of the Wii games are shovelware, but when a good one comes out it's DAMN GOOD). Natal/Wave has the potential to be much better than either of the other two motion controllers, because of the freedom of movement involved in it. Imagine a Dragonball game where you fired a Kamehameha by making the classic pose, or an Final Fantasy game (one with actual story) where instead of button presses, you wielded the weapon, be it scythe, battle axe, whatever and cast the spells with individual motions tracked extra carefully to avoid the game mixing up spells. Hell, what about a rebirth of Time Crisis that treats your hands held in gun postures (we all know this one) as the light guns, and to take cover you would actually crouch, being able to peek up over cover and fire?

    If Microsoft doesn't flub this, it could be incredible. But they have one single shot to do it. I won't say that it's doomed to failure, but they had better not skimp the details or they'll reap the consequences.

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    Comment by Kei-chan
    18:52 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to agree with you on this anon, if MS doesn't fuck this up with terribad marketting flubs (which they are known for), Natal could slaughter the competition for motion gaming. I have to agree with the Final Fantasy thing there, imagine playing something like mortal kombat and actually doing your own moves, could be awesome to play like that. I'd like to see them work in voice commands into that to, so you could trigger Scorpion's special just by saying "GET OVER HERE!" and making the movement motion. Or hell playing SOCOM or any first person shooter, and walking the character, aiming him, and playing like an actual soldier would be amazing fun.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:19 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    09:23 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone already knows why the HD-DVD player failed, Microsoft should take note...

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    16:30 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Toshiba dropped the format. That had just about nothing to do with Microsoft...

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    Comment by alex251
    17:06 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    he probably meant that PS3 has Blu-Ray what is PS3's strong marketing power

    + now it has wireless controller
    means 2:0 for PS3:XBOX

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    Comment by El Chaos
    08:59 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Microsoft's marketing strategy with Natal won't fail for a simple reason: ~99% of all Natal games will be trash developed with the game publisher's equivalent of loose change, just like the Wii.

    Not to mention that, in the end, most of them will be simultaneously released on all three platforms, by way of some new fangled middleware that'll translate the directional inputs of any motion tracking device, eventually turning them into gaming's cocaine paste.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Truth be told, I was very interested in this when it was first shown at E3. I though, "wow we're going to have a lot of great and innovative games to play." Eventually my wide-eyed curiosity waned and I got to thinking, "exactly what kind of games can be made for this?" Remember those demos? Where exactly can they go from there?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:41 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ... well... you can paint a giraffe instead of an elephant... or a tiger if you want more, like, action or something...

    instead of balls, you could hit...hummm.... like.. more balls maybe...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:12 05/06/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Natal just seems like a lost child in a giant mall trying to find his/her parents.

    I expect to see third party companies do something like move all the games that were Wii exclusive and dump them into both Move and Natal just to get a quick buck. It seems that even after Sony explanation "make quality games, not shovel/shit/crap/donkeypenis-ware" they still don't listen very well (this is why PSP is in a pickle.)

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:15 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I asked myself

    When was the last time I played my wii....last time it was with smash brothers.....WITH A GAMECUBE CONTROLLER

    Swear to fucking god, wtf is the point of then doing this. And PS3 doing the worst shameless rip off of the wii.

    Want to now why Nintendo shunned its fanboys for the casuals for so long? Because the wii was nothing more then a toy to get money from idiots.

    Nintendo is coming out with a new console that will have better/equal graphics to the 360/ps3 soon. And it ain't going to be a fucking motion controller bullshit either

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:38 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Video games are toys to begin with. The only reason Microsoft and Sony don't call their systems toys is because they're secretly ashamed of that fact. Besides, balls are toys. Do you think the Brazil National Football Team or the New England Patriot are self-conscious about playing with them everyday? Hell no! They're celebrities and they make millions!

    And the only reason why the Wii is geared more towards casual gamers is to get people who normally wouldn't be into gaming into gaming. The old school gamers are getting old and life is taking priority over gaming. A great deal of us will even stop gaming all together. What do you think will become of these companies if that happens? All your favorite gaming icon will be gone. And with no more money to gain in the gaming market, why should anyone bring them back? Who would care? To me it seems like Nintendo is doing us a favor but with the over abundance of casual titles and endless ocean of shovelware it's pretty difficult to swallow.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:03 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah it already fail the moment the shadow cames up

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    Comment by Dirty_Dingus008
    21:26 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It has already disenfranchised Nippon by the required FOUR METERS of space to work effectively and quite a number of people even in America will find it hard to make it possible to use the system completely if it demands such space.

    If you have your system in your room w/ bed - closets - desk - cabinets - shelves of manga/anime/figurines. The danger of playing with your wii..wii pales in the arm and leg flinging that will be demanded from you on the RRoD box.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:47 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And here I was thinking that all of the little old ladies would go out and buy Natal for their 360s.

    What a sad day for optimists in favour of the little old ladies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:25 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Grandma Hardcore might, but probably not. She's still awesome though. I wish I had a granny like her. ;_;

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:32 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)



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    Comment by Tateha
    21:50 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    natal is a good idea but it's probably going to fail. i just don't see people going out and buying this thing to play a few more party and gimmick motion control games for their 360. plus it's fucking expensive for an add-on.

    remember the sega 32x? ya, me neither, natal or whatever it's going to be called is going to be the same thing.

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    Comment by Sukunai
    21:42 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am not wondering about will it fail, I am wondering why they think it will succeed.

    What's the incentive to get one?

    How many games use it and will benefit from it that are both mainstream and must have games?

    Heck even my Nintendo DS while having a touch screen is not truly about touch screen games in a lot of cases. A lot of the great DS games don't really depend on using the stylus, it's just an option.

    And the Wii already can be an illustration of what happens when you have a great controller idea, but few games anyone reeeeeeally wants.
    I think the Wiis initial successes were more about the fact it was the new console that didn't bend your wallet over the sofa and gang rape it.

    Let's see game console with lots of parent friendly games, and is half the price of the other two, gee I wonder what's being bought for the kids eh.

    I can't think of a single Natal use that means diddly for me aside from games that might be me diddling something on the screen that is.

    Natal, the controller of choice for fucking something on screen. Can't see that being a selling point though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:27 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Try Zelda on a DS. Takes touchscreen to never before places.

    Natal will fail mainly because Nintendo has proven time and again that they are the only company that can think out of the box enough to make use of unconventional game technology. Touchscreen, wii-mote... you name it. Nintendo has always been the only one to create mindblowingly good games on weird gaming technology.

    MS, on the other hand, only has a track record in stealing ideas and creating buggy software.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:39 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    M$ is full of fail!

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    Comment by Anonymous
    20:14 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well yes anyone with a lick of common sense knows it will fail

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    Comment by Riiku
    23:42 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The concept of Natal (or is it Wave now?) is good, I think, but the problem is that there wont be any games that truly represent the concept of free body movement. By that I mean, let's say, some action game, where your 3D avatar precisely repeat each of your moves, and those moves reacts realistically with an environment, incorporating complex physics.

    Too many people just wants some stupid games to waste their time, not breathtaking technological marvels, which is true fun.

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    Comment by clownfish
    10:21 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    agreed. at first i thought this was going to be a whole new system with a full panoply of games that was completely controller free. that might be worth $299.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:23 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yep, micro$oft has issues when handling their new products, like the Zune for example, it would have been ALOT more successful if they had done a better job marketing it.
    Also apparently they had a phone concept similar to the Iphone when that was getting made etc, and marketers or something of the sort at M$ said that it wouldn't sell well enough... and looking at Iphone sales, I hope M$ fired em.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    20:09 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    1st, Microsoft IS Fail.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:57 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ITT: People who hate American products.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:02 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Apple is just now larger Microsoft

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    Comment by Lonesnipa
    03:01 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually Anon 1:21 thats also partly due to the fact that microsoft doesn't make money off of its OS, but off of Microsoft Office. They make, or rather, MADE stupid amounts of money off its licensing, but Open office is kinda killing that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:00 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Durian is king, faggots!

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    Comment by Taco
    01:11 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Watermelons lose out to pineapples in spikes, though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:21 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    MS have shares in Apple FYI.

    Have you not wondered why MS is not as worried about their failing OS as compared to their failing 360?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:19 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Basically, MS does not really care much about the software market since they have money to take from every Mac OS or Win being sold. OOG, clearly killed Microsoft Office. Quite a lot of organizations have already jumped boat.

    Win would make money anytime any day. The very fact that MS have tie ups with so many com manufacturers out there selling coms at cheap prices. On top of that, the general bulk of manufacturing and programming being done in PRC is sufficient to ensure profits at the price they are putting their products in your machine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:18 30/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think we can all agree that the only reason why Microsoft is in this kind of industry is because they're loosing so much money to software pirates and they're greedy assholes really.. Just like almost any corporation out there. And they wonder why people steal their stuff..

    Oh yeah and Mac is worse than microsoft is, they're a lot more controlling in terms of their hardware and software, not to mention the fact I never seen microsoft try to take charge of the PC market by making all PCs over 1500 dollars.

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    23:33 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Apple is just now larger fruit

    It's still out of league compared to Watermelons, tho

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:49 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not really...

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    Comment by g0dslay3r
    20:50 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    they would be better if they werent so money greedy and actually made some better quality stuff

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    23:36 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can't see game developers losing their audience just because another audience got a reason to buy their station too.

    I mean, isn't it, on the contrary, a chance for that one kid whose mom didn't give money for XboX as she dislikes Halo and violent games in general to get one?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:06 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What he's saying is that when developers make a game designed for "Wave", they lose the percentage of audience that don't have the "Wave" because they won't buy the game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:49 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    second, you're a fag

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:17 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yet there is still at least 60% chance you typed that in using a PC installed with a Windows-based OS.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:16 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yet there is still at least 60% chance you typed that in using a PC installed with a Windows OS-based PC.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:25 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    More like 95% :] .

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:35 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh SHIT !!! i cant play Natal with my grandpa !!!

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    Comment by DFC
    19:58 28/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The market share of casual gamers have already been take up by the Wii, the price is not competitive enough either. This "Wave" is bound to fail.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    $150 for Natal or Wii? Wii sounds more family friendly, it's a household name, and $299 for a Natal Arcade bundle pack doesn't seem that great since families associate Xbox with Halo.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:41 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    new microsotf is like capitalist america , works great when completion is dead . But way too lame and bloated to compete . Dumbshits need mr Bill Gates to save their asses .

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:52 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Could you please repeat that in English and with accurate facts? Bill Gates retired from Microsoft years ago.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:52 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yep and the moment Bill retired they started big one

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:03 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Steve is still working, even though under Microsfot divison Apples, I want to see a clash of the old titans.

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