GANTZ vs NEET

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Gantz creator Hiroya Oku has angry words for the nation’s NEETs after having apparently having suffered severe injuries at their hands, though fortunately only to his pride as a mangaka.

The exchange as it took place on Twitter:

My wife’s MMO friend asked me ‘If you’re a mangaka why don’t you give me a job as a seiyuu?’ What the hell does she think a mangaka does?

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That person now wants to become a mangaka, at 30, and asked me what software to use to do it. Talk about underestimating things..

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There are too many damn NEETs in this country who treat life like some kind of joke.

The 2ch response:

Shut it. We know, even if you don’t tell us.

This guy’s a bit weird, isn’t he?

Maybe you end up like this if you don’t have experience of proper work.

What does age have to do with becoming a mangaka?

A normal person probably couldn’t tell the difference between a NEET and a mangaka anyway.

Your wife’s playing MMOs or whatever? You should have shut up after that.

A lot of NEETs will be dying in the next chapter of GANTZ, won’t they?


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    Comment by Anonymous
    21:54 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    "A lot of NEETs will be dying in the next chapter of GANTZ, won’t they?"

    This would be awesome. Deliberately introduce a NEET character then have hin die horrible for no reason at all. A big fat fuck you to the NEETs.

    But since everyone dies in Gantz that wouldn't really matter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:48 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think it would be better if he made that fat fuck into a super cool hero. It would inspire NEET

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:14 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    This mangaka is totally right. The stupidity and nerve some people have....

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:46 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Okay, this guy isn't dealing with NEETs, he's just dealing with stupid people.

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    Comment by Azure Xuchilbara
    14:57 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "A lot of NEETs will be dying in the next chapter of GANTZ, won’t they?'

    *ROFL*

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:44 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    including his wife

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:21 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    FAP @ image. FAAAAAAAAAP @ image.

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    Comment by Offline
    16:21 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Heh, Oku sensei has a point in his comments^^

    Some ppl are just too retarded to answer their stupidity gently...
    *looks at anon posts*
    And by some you kind of feel not even waisting time to answer...*sigh*

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:48 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Link to twitter or it didnt happend!!!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:04 23/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    To all who don't understand this mangaka: are you good at anything at all? Well, if you are(which I seriously doubt), you probably remember all the hard work you had to put in it for it to work and how much more there is to it.
    Imagine now some retard asking you some n-o-o-b question like: "Can i reach your level of (whatever you do) by next week?"

    Everyone hates n-o-o-b-s, it's obvious because they're so annoying. It's like talking to someone who asks obvious and stupid questions all the time and wonders why are you getting angry.

    Yep, some people still wonder what I'm talking about...

    I totally agree with Oku-san. And his oku-san(means wife, get it? XD [Oku-san no oku-san. kkkkkk])

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:47 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    since when was the army for anyone who wouldn't be neet otherwise

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:22 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...and be able to fuck every once in a while.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:08 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love this! Very veyr funny. Bashing the same people that are most likely supporting his work. Has he ever worked a real job? Most people that do work, don't have time for manga. I'm not even sure how much of his 'work' is his and not 3D imaged and traced or done by 'assisstants'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:52 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes you are not sure, so don´t assume beeing a mangaka is not as hard like a real job. You have to keep strict dates to release chapters, you have to think how the story and characters will progress and of course you have to draw or render all that shit!

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:04 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    unless of course his assisstants do it for him as so many mangaka do but you know this right? then hes only thinking up the idea like any writer duh and adding a little touch here and there to their work.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:29 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Then who made the ground works and sketches to each page? It's the mangaka not the assistants. It's just like a director and his employees.. Who made the decisions?
    Jobs are all pretty much the same everywhere, and mangaka is a job as well.. If not a job, then what? A hobby?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 18/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @19:29

    Yup. A hobby tard. Unless they make money. Then it's a job. Trolls need to get facts straight before trolling trolls for fun.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:58 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    From GANTZ. "How Gantz is made."

    First I Hiroya Oku draw a rough. (it looks like crap.)
    Then my excellent and talneted assisstants create 3-D models of the rough
    I trace over it.

    Using Macs with Poser, photoshop, illustrator, shade, etc.

    It's in Vol 1 at the end of ch 10. Look it up. Using that method, how much is really your work? It's a almost like matte painting. Wonder if he also uses Manga Studio?

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    Comment by hALOTOO
    22:31 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only good thing about this article is the Reika pic and the last 2ch response

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:31 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol , Oku got trolled hard xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:16 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This guy's apparently been so busy he must be new to retards on the internet. But he's right, age 30->mangaka no way. You'd have to be seriously involved with art already, it's kinda impossible if you want to teach yourself how to view and produce things like an artist at that age when you're just learning the basics.
    The question posed there is like asking a musician what instrument to use.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:57 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LMFAO! These retards seem to not understand why the guy is pissed. The woman asked him to do voice acting for his work, as though he made anime. She fails to see that his profession is writing and illustrating manga, not anime and movies. It's actually pretty funny.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:02 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    GANTZ was made into an anime, maybe she assumes (albeit rather idiotically) that he had some say in the casting process and still has these connections.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:53 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For Gantz the life is a joke so Hiroya Oku is profiting from what he hates.
    Oh the irony xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:53 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He takes his anger out on the NEETS regularly.

    His manga is about how far people will go to survive and the ones that don't push themselves die pretty damned bloody deaths.

    So his NEET chars either die, or find an inner strength and go badass for a chapter or 2....before dying terribly.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:05 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Before getting eaten by a fuckin' dinosaur or their heads blown up by some weird bird.

    Comment by Schrobby
    11:25 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's GANTZ? First time I seen this word

    Ignorant guy is ignorant.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:38 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But... Shouldn't he HAVE some say in who gets the roll?

    I mean... It is HIS story that's getting animated, why the hell should he put up with a voice actor he thinks isn't right for a specific character and messes up his whole view of his work?

    Oh right, money talks louder.

    Comment by Schrobby
    21:56 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Mangaka sell their work, their rights on it and just about their souls to the publishers. They practically own the mangaka working for them.

    That's why the publishers fear the internet. Digitally distributing is not too hard. Once a few mangaka start selling their works online and make more money that way others will follow.

    Someone might get the idea to sell english translations as well for international fans. Fresh chapters translated under the control of the mangaka, watermarked and cheap, released simultanously. Sounds great, doesn't it?

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    Comment by ventlus
    11:28 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "A lot of NEETs will be dying in the next chapter of GANTZ, won’t they?"

    It would be really funny if he had a chapter dedicated to this xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:43 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "That person now wants to become a mangaka, at 30, and asked me what software to use to do it. Talk about underestimating things.."

    is saying that the person thinks being a mangaka is easy and what's funny is that this person is 30, it shows that they have no understanding or experience in the working world. He's just mad because this person has no idea about what happens behind the making of manga.

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    Comment by alidan
    15:45 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    realy, i thought it was making fun of the person who asked what PROGRAM to use to make manga, not they dont know how to draw

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:09 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If I was a mangaka and some NEET asked me what software I use to make it, I would show him... by jamming a pencil into his eye.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:54 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've heard questions like that. There are this type of peaople that ask about some miraculous program that could allow them to make manga fast and without any effort when themselves have no dedication,willpower or skills to pull it off.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:07 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He only told the truth.
    And man, he is a fuckin mangaka master, I LOVE GANTZ!

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    Comment by Shiro_Amada
    09:59 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hm, the guy's got a lowly opinion on his own profession! It's not about earning money, it's about creating a masterpiece, like in other forms of art! I, for one, wanted to become a mangaka not to become rich&famous (which I wouldn't anyway, considering the one's pay in such an industry), but to spread my ideas to the masses, and have the people acknowledge me as someone with good writing and drawing skills!

    But, recently, the bubble burst... Sadly, my n33t days are over, and it's either professional army service or the reattempt of getting into the university for me. I got 1 week worth the time to decide which way shall I follow.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:37 17/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The "giant aliens" that have destroyed the world are probably a stupid metaphor like you'd expect from this fucker.

    But seriously, with the exception of 1 they look like fat ugly japanese nerds, or NEETS to begin with..

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:41 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    looooooool you university? dont make me laugh :D u didnt even get the point of oku's arguments, also even assuming u got accepted by an university (which i highly doubt) i would like to see u paying ur fees by going as a mangaka :D:D:D wonder how far ur masterpiece would be able to get u

    nah ure much better off as cannon fodder

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    Comment by Sithreis
    10:49 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Since when do neets do army?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:30 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Shiro_Amada

    "the guy's got a lowly opinion on his own profession!"

    what article were you reading?

    also, before saying such self-righteous things show us your so called "masterpiece" or you'll just be another guy on the internet whining that he wont get rich and famous BECAUSE his work sucks ass and then making an excuse like, "recently, the bubble burst..."

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    Comment by Shiro_Amada
    03:09 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ 02:34 16/05/2010
    >_>
    Yeah, man, sure thing... It's one of those global conspiracies, you know... Watch out, Mossad might be tracking your IP right this very moment!

    As for the "get a life" part, I think it's about damn time you stopped stalking people. I don't care about what you think of me- you're just another internet annoyance as far as I'm conserned. Discussing something with an intelectually inferior person who is not only unable to comprehend sentences that I type, but is interested only in discrediting me to feed his/her own ego (as being an uber-know-it-all online) in front of other people who couldn't care less about the whole ordeal... Do try and read it twice if you don't understand it!

    One more thing -> you know what cookies are, and what they're supposed to do? How about a password cache... I guess you don't learn that sort of thing hanging around facebook and sankaku all day long do you?

    This conversation is over. Inb4 he said "So, you're admitting that you blah-blah-blah" woud've been a tl;dr response anyway...

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    Comment by Shiro_Amada
    03:20 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    02:34 16/05/2010

    In before you published a book on global conspiracies. Also, in before you went "so you admit blah-blah-blah tl;dr" on me.

    You have a nice day trolling now! ^_^

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lolwut?! not just a douchbag, but a stupidy confusing douchbag too.

    you say this:

    ~It's not about earning money

    then now this?:

    ~which I wouldn't anyway, considering the one's pay in such an industry

    @00:42 forgot to login to your account shiro? just proves you DO post anonymously. then, realizing you were a stupid dumbass idiot 4 minutes later, you post a reply in your account saying you were not that 00:42 guy. sheesh, GET A LIFE SHIRO_AMADA

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    Comment by Shiro_Amada
    00:46 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @00:42 16/05/2010 ^GTFO douchebag. Stop impersonating people.

    @22:20 15/05/2010 What's the point of creating an account just so you can be an annon? The only place it's good to be an annon is *chan. Are you affraid of something? Maybe that you'll get flamed when you mess up? Well, why don't you try being a man, and taking the flame on like a man!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:20 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anonymous 02:56 = Anonymous 07:35 = Shiro_Amada

    for fucks sake, stop trying to make up allies and just answer the 22:30 post directly *facepalm*

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Umad I got fans even before I published my 1st issue? Well 2 bad m8.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:49 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    seriously? tl;dr? take a look a your long-ass posts before typing that.

    at least you got something right, "but is interested only in discrediting me"

    going by what i asked the first time, post your masterpieces that will make me "acknowledge you as someone with good writing and drawing skills"

    masterpieces or your just another internet loser talking out of your ass.

    so, come on shiro, prove me wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:30 18/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, because we all know anon deserves to be proven wrong and will acknowledge it. Where is the eye roll button? I’ve seen some of those posts and not once did I think tl;dr but then, I can read so, maybe that makes me special?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:09 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    02:56 he said he wanted the people to acknowledge his "good writing and drawing skills," which pretty much equates to saying he has a masterpiece.
    07:35 is right, though; he did say he didn't want to become a mangaka to get rich and famous.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:35 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    also he didn't say he intended to get rich and famous with it. 22:30 your a fucktard.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:56 15/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He never siad he had a masterpiece douche. Said it's about 'trying' to create one. Learn to read please before you foam at the mouth.

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    Comment by カンチ
    11:27 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm sorry but I must differ.Even though that man may put effort into his work,he is developing a platform for advertisement.Gantz suits demographic in which sponsors are looking to sell shit to.Young Jump puts manga that will pull those people in into their weekly releases and place the inbetween pages with ads.There are times where mangaka are asked to drive their projects in a particular direction for the sake of pulling a particular sponsor.I see Oku gets a lot of freedom even with the occasional ad placement within the chapter itself;He simply was saying what is relevant to any profession.You need to know what you doing,how you can get it done efficiently and doing it so it pleases whomever you are working for.

    ^Though I felt Me teru no Kimochi bent that form of productivity.I don't recall the manga being that popular but it was amazing.I'm not sure if it's short run was due simply to Gantz starting again in 07 or boss' orders.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:00 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    actually what he was saying is that this person had no clue whatsoever about what a mangaka does. It seemed to me the neet was looking down on his chosen profession by assuming they could just pick it up and do it by going to a computer store. considering how many people (judging from the sheer mass of doujinshi) are trying and not succeeding, to think you could just jump right in seems optimistic at best.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:53 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    if we follow Oku ideas as you suggest we should shut you in the head. since i don't believe that please do
    join the army, hopefully some else will shot you.
    Kid people have to pay rents bills, and guess what your parents rised you with money of people who did such things and thus pay your parents salaries.
    unless you are the son of a druglord or a thief or a banker politician who robs instead or eaning his pay by hard work. so reflect on this is wake up time.
    and sleeping in the streets sucks.

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    Comment by Aliaus
    14:36 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^^^
    wut?

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    Comment by MasterYuke
    12:33 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you should definitely become a seiyuu for the military. they do that, right?

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    16:04 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "A lot of NEETs will be dying in the next chapter of GANTZ, won’t they?"

    :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:55 14/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just like in the Eden series... haha...






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