Music Industry: “We Love Child Porn”

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Music industry representatives are said to have spoken of their approval for child pornography, saying it is a great way to press for Internet censorship which they can then use to attack file sharing.

Quotes from a self-proclaimed “pirate” attendee of an anti-piracy seminar as he describes the other attendees’ jubilation at the fact that moral hysteria can be exploited both to sell records and to build censorship infrastructure:

“Child pornography is great,” the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically.”It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get them to act, and start blocking sites. And once they have done that, we can get them to start blocking file sharing sites”.

The venue was a seminar organized by the American Chamber of Commerce in Stockholm on May 27, 2007, under the title “Sweden — A Safe Haven for Pirates?”. The speaker was Johan Schlüter from the Danish Anti-Piracy Group, a lobby organization for the music and film industry associations, like IFPI and others.

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“One day we will have a giant filter that we develop in close cooperation with IFPI and MPA. We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works. Child porn is an issue they understand,” Johan Schlüter said with a grin, his whole being radiating pride and enthusiasm from the podium.

And seen from the perspective of IFPI and the rest of the copyright lobby, he of course had every reason to feel both proud and enthusiastic, after the success he had had with this strategy in Denmark.

Today, the file sharing site The Pirate Bay is blocked by all major Internet service providers in Denmark. The strategy explained by Mr. Schlüter worked like clockwork.

Start with child porn, which everybody agrees is revolting, and find some politicians who want to appear like they are doing something.

Never mind that the blocking as such is ridiculously easy to circumvent in less than 10 seconds. The purpose at this stage is only to get the politicians and the general public to accept the principle that censorship in the form of “filters” is okay.

Once that principle has been established, it is easy to extend it to other areas, such as illegal file sharing. And once censorship of the Internet has been accepted in principle, they can start looking at ways to make it more technically difficult to circumvent.

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  • kajunbowser says:

    WOW, how… bold they are. This cry for stopping the pseudo-Net Neutrality crowd that’s out just to knock down a sense of some privacy on the internet is loud and imaginative. However, I think this will generate a far different response than they thought.

    *still wrapping my head around the CP-piracy link…*

  • Anonymous says:

    Does it really exist? I mean we have been talking about it for years, I surfed the net for it countless of times, but not once have I seen one. I mean if we are talking about something on the rank with unicorns….

  • Anonymous says:

    We are the otakus, geeks, nerds of this world. We control the events from the backstage on the orders of rich capitalists. We are all powerful, nothing can prevent us from pirating other that bringing down the internet itself. As long as the internet is there…. WE SHALL REMAIN!

  • Anonymous says:

    Pirates: “We Love China’s Censorship”

    Western piracy activists are said to have spoken of their approval for China’s Internet censorship, saying it is a great way to press for “civil liberties” and “freedom of speech” which they can use to justify unmonitored file sharing through seven proxies.

  • Anonynous says:

    Anonymous said:
    Anon 11:29,
    There are a bunch of pedo lobbyists around here that are systematically upvoting themselves and downvoting critical opinions. Don't mistake them with the general attitude. I'm not sure what they are hoping to gain here, but they certainly aren't making any friends.

    Then how come none of you are vocally castigating it? If what i understand of this site is correct, only those who are registered members can upvote/downvote replies. And if my observation is correct, those who are against the practice are those who are non-Sankaku members. Gee, I dunno but it's saying "Sankaku Complex members are pedophiles". maybe that ED article in SanCom is true after all.

    And in before "you're just a new member, you don't have the right to condemn us" bullshit. Your shit smells just as bad as mine so STFU.

  • I live in Denmark and it should be noted that our Anti piracy group have given up trying to convict danish people of downloading from Torrents. Last year they tried to get 5 danish people convicted 4 didn’t get convicted and the 5th plead guilty.

    So yes they did ban ONE site. But they didn’t really ban it. What they did was making ONE ISP, make their DNS to block the site. Meaning if you use a open DNS you can still access the site.

    For over a year now the anti pirate cause have been standing still. So i have no idea why he is gloating.

  • Fun fact: I know people who’s job is to upload child porn to file sharing sites so the statement hat file sharing sites promote child porn becomes a reality.

    They work for the music industry.

  • They’re shamelessly admitting to using children as weapons. Somehow I’m not surprised. Like at all.

    This is how I see it; someone cries pedophile, child porn or what have you and everybody and their grandmother gets on their moral high horses and goes on a crusade destroying anything they find objectionable even if it has nothing to do with the initial trigger. Their excuses seems to always be the same too. Something similar to and including “protecting the innocence of the children” while blatantly ignoring the fact that children aren’t as innocent as they were growing up when everyone was named John, George, and Mary (combined there are well over 10 million).

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    I’m not going into a discussion of “Party Van” here, though IMO a good “Social Activist” strategy might be to get the guy’s picture, combine it with quotes and post it on fliers all over his town. He’d be treated like a “Sex offender” by the same “Witch Hunt” mentality he enshrines because it suits his own purposes.

    I actually think the Music industry’s goal doesn’t end at “Battling Piracy at the cost of Privacy”.

    As a reaction to their over-reaching lawyers and them still pushing a “Lineup” of “Musicians” that looks like a police lineup of “Gang Bangers and Ho’s” but sounds like sh-t even with the best studio technology the public is increasingly turning to “Independent” acts and buying from them directly.

    What I think their next goal is is to use the “Device used to circumvent copyright” issue and effectively “Ban” (by lawsuits that ruin small companies) any non-“Professional” level and priced music software. (along with video, 3D, programming, posting things online) This won’t be to actually protect themselves from piracy, but to hinder “Independents” in a way that sets back the clock to the 70s and earlier, even the simplest “Recording Studio” costing more than a year’s wages and all media outlets locked out save for what the “Big Dogs” own.

    They probably won’t be able to prevent all people from having/trading “Music software” but when a person records their stuff and puts it online and they start selling, then they send in the lawyers to ruin them with lawsuits claiming the likely truth that they used “Banned” (by property lien against programmer) software to produce it.

  • The so the specter of censorship shows it’s true hideous face.
    It’s not about protecting children at all but for the most deprived reason of all gaining control.

    This alone should make anyone think twice about supporting any censorship law as the true purpose behind it is a nefarious one.

  • While I agree that child porn is being used as a scapegoat and that monitoring everyone’s internet activity would do much more harm than good, the fact that so many people on this site actually support having sex with children is downright disturbing.

    Anyone who expresses their opinion that children of any age can consent to sex all get their message voted up while people who say sex with children is wrong all get their messages voted down until they are no longer visible.

    If people seriously think that a 6/7/8/whatever year old is capable of giving informed consent, then I genuinely believe there is something wrong with them. If they think a child can make a truly informed choice like that, then they should support the idea of a child being able to live completely independently in all aspects of life. Why not rent them apartments and sell them booze?

    It’s just a fact that unless a child is some sort of super-genius, they aren’t going to grasp the consequences of sex. Their naivety makes them easy targets for predators. I’m sure many of you have tricked your little brothers into believing stupid things like there’s a monster in their closet or something like that. Young children can be easily manipulated into believing anything and adults can exploit that. And yet so many posters here agree that they possess the mental capacity for sexual consent. Unbelievable.

    Sankaku posters seem to have a double face of sorts. When an article is posted about some guy raping a girl in some fucked up Islamic country, then we all agree that it’s sick. And then there’s articles like this where everyone changes their mind and asserts there’s nothing wrong with pedophilia.

    Whatever. Bring on the minuses.

    • I think you are misunderstanding. I don’t see a double face. Everyone should know that rape is wrong and be against it. But pedophilia does not implies any sort of abuse, it’s just a preference.

      Do children posses the mental capacity for sexual consent?
      I don’t know. I’m not a doctor. Maybe a physical development which happens [i]only[/i] by age is required. Maybe not, maybe the capacity is there and needs only the proper knowledge to be used (which may or may not be possible to attain by a certain age).
      Regardless of this, however, if that capacity can be determined, it means that it can be tested for.
      I’m sure most people here are not saying that having sex with a child without proper consent is right, nor are they assuming that everyone can give such consent.

  • Who will protect us from this travesty?!

    I see in ten years, the evil forces of Anti-piracy will shore up and eliminate us pirates!

    That would suck.

    But kudos to them for managing to exploit society like that.

        • a) Freedom of speech isn’t absolute. It never was. Think the opposite, then go into a crowded and dark cinema and shout fire. And let’s see what happens then.

          b) In addition, freedom of speech only applies to the Government and them not having the power to restrict free speech. Said right on the other hand does not apply to a private forum/blog. If, you wanted to censor them, then they’d have no legal recourse to stop you from doing so.

          c) Some of those folks have admitted to having had sexual relations with minors. Under the legal system of a number of countries, you as the Admin are therefore obligated to report them to the proper authorities and provide them with IP data, and depending upon how you’ve got this site set up, you could even do an IP trace yourself. And failure to do so could be seen as making you an accomplice to the fact.

          No different from those lovely bishops, archbishops and what not who did nothing about the pedopriests, except try to move them about to stop the scandal.

          @17:34 30/04/2010
          I don’t mistake the general populace here for CP lovers. Heck, I’m the same annon as 02:51 30/04/2010 as well as a couple of others like: 21:50 29/04/2010 and 04:42 30/04/2010

          Nevertheless, if an outside group were to subsequently see this particular page and how everything has been voted and what not. Gee, wonderful PR for Sankaku. Heck, EN has twisted and turned stuff they found here already. What do you think they could do with admissions like that? Especially in light of the Admin seemingly being on side of the folks admitting to everything.

          And that subsequently means the rest of the visitors and commentators get painted with the same brush, even if they find the very concept of CP revolting.

          Plus, it means that the fight to keep shota/loli legal and not equated to CP becomes that much harder. Because hey, those folks arguing in favour of it, are proverbially all in bed with CP lovers, thus they must like CP as well.

          Crazy thinking, but that’s how the world operates, unfortunately. So you have to deal with crud like that as well, if you want to have a chance to make a difference. Thus requiring the need to police your own.

        • +5 Funny, Artefact.

          Anon 11:29,
          There are a bunch of pedo lobbyists around here that are systematically upvoting themselves and downvoting critical opinions. Don’t mistake them with the general attitude. I’m not sure what they are hoping to gain here, but they certainly aren’t making any friends.

        • I’ve said it before, the CP lovers are as much the enemy to shota/loli lovers as are Equality Now.

          And associating with them, paints you lot with the same brush. Meaning, considering all the pro cp posts that have been made, all of Sankaku will end up being seen as lovers of cp, even if you actually dislike it.

          Up to Artefact to do something about it, but I doubt that he will. What with being a Libertarian and all that. Government = bad in his book after all.

  • So in short, parties with great gains in interest are using issues that are seemingly urgent, moral and ‘have common good’ in mind to justify ratification of laws that are Orwellian, barbaric, complete breach of rights to privacy, and force groups to agree into a set of moral codes that not everyone agrees on.

    What makes them any different than Hitler? Or Stalin? Or Osama and those suicide bombers? Or even the Zionists? Oh, I forgot, at least Zionists lobby everything.

    They have been saying that things we are enjoying now are easily abused to commit crime. Well, here’s one kicker:

    MANY RESTRICTIVE LAWS WE HAVE IN PLACE NOW HAS NO GUARANTEE THAT IT IS FREE OF ABUSE BY THOSE ENFORCING THOSE LAWS. EITHER PEOPLE WILL FIND A WAY BEHIND IT, OR CORRUPT LAWMAKERS WILL USE THEM THEMSELVES TO COMMIT ACTIONS THAT ARE OTHERWISE UNLAWFUL, BUT CANNOT BE INVESTIGATED BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LAWMAKERS.

    People never learn. Politicians do learn, and use it to their advantage. Just look at ideals created in the past which started as good for mankind: Democracy, Socialism, Communism, even dictatorship can be for the good of mankind if used as they’re supposed to. Then again, we’ve seen countries using all of these ideologies fall into corruption and even war.

    Outside the 10 Commandments, the more laws you write, the more unprivilaged people will suffer, but you know what remains constant? Crimes and criminals. These manipulative Satans of bureaucracy seem to forget that Internet, while allowing crime to take place(as are any medium), has also seen its fair share of justice done.

    TL;DR: &%$# politicians, @#$% corporate scumbags, @#$% criminals, and @#$% you.

  • Its actually refreshing to hear any of the industry actually appearing to be clever.

    I get tired of the debates on DRM that make so much of the industry look like stick in the mud retards.

    But I have always known, the only weak link is the service providers and to some extent privacy laws. The moment they CAN enforce being able to see what you download, the ISPs will have you.

    • They CAN enforce being able to see what you download on all ISPs, but you can use encryption and other techniques to prevent them from knowing what’s the content of the data you’re transmitting.
      And encryption can’t be outlawed, as it would be a major breach of privacy.

  • Basically, you take sensational crime that everyone agrees is bad. Then you scream “do it for the children!” New laws go in place to save the children. At which point, you abuse the hell out of that law and everyone’s histeria so you can curb minor crimes which cost corporations (evil by design) massive profits. (Hey, that top 1% of corporate staff likes sleeping on piles of money while snorting blow of the bellies of hot nubile teens. Don’t worry, it’s legal if you do it on your private yacht/jet over international waters.)

    It’s actually very clever and effective. Of course this is why Americans bicker so much over obvious good intentions and good ideas to stop serious problems. Once the law starts moving in that direction, it’s only a matter of time before they are kicking in your front door, taking your children away (for their safety) and throwing you in prison for not being a good tax-paying white English-speaking middle class Catholic/Christian… It’s an exaggeration, but it’s not far from the truth.

    • 17.5.7. “What limits on the Net are being proposed?”
      […]
      + Newspapers are complaining about the Four Horsemen of the
      Infocalypse:
      – terrorists, pedophiles, drug dealers, and money
      launderers

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Infocalypse

      more

      “Pedophiles fill in the gaps when the terrorists aren’t doing anything. I mean, how many more buildings have fallen here in the U.S. since 9/11? Not many. So, given the absence of an active external threat, an internal one must be manufactured.”

      the fear – the protect the children – that’s something extreme fundies and soccer moms and feminazis agree with.

      i’m female – but you don’t see me being a feminazi. we all need the stuff we beat off to – else, we cannot function in polite society.

      • sorry but feminazis don’t care about real CP, their only interested in banning 2D characters cause their feelings aren’t taken into account. this is just all just a “think of the children” cry by the business sector to squeeze you for more money. these people don’t give a shit about children, many probably harbor their own CP. They are nothing more than facists justifying a different type of witch hunt. If they are gonna go down this road, they might want to start with the rap music thats all about raping/murdering/drug dealing and many more horrible offences.

        All in all, the music industry should be held accountable for “supporting” CP. Just because most developed countries have free speech, doesn’t mean you can say whatever and ignore the consequences of it.

        Banning CP and imposing restrictions on the internet will just make things 100x times worse, kind of like when the US prohibited alcohol. Didn’t last very long and neither will this. If anything, people will just create their own networks with their own devices, so they aren’t subjected to any of these rediculous laws, basically becoming a blackmarket internet, and thats where everyone will move to.

  • Honestly, if it comes to it and the internet does become a censored Orwellian nightmare all that’s going to happen is they are going to enrage a lot of otherwise law-abiding rational Americans/Europeans and turn them into either opposition in the nice cases (with the state being at that point totalitarian, as defined by the Orwellian nightmare, will be irrelevant as the government will only quell them) but in a few extreme cases they will make enemies of these people, enemies that will become revolutionaries at first, and they will slowly turn violent. Perhaps they will not overthrow the government and its censorship committees, but they will certainly sow destruction and anarchy as long as those who feel so slighted are still alive.

    You can count me in as one of these revolutionaries. Let’s hope we can make this go as well as the Velvet Revolution and end things nicely. Failing that, a full-on 1989 Romanian Revolution.

  • Do not forget that the ultimate goal of these people is not to filter the internet from filth (some of them might be pedophiles anyway, it is not unheard that people of power have questionable fetishes/habits and get well away with them.) They are not trying to get reduce the loss in their finance that piracy creates neither. It is all a rhetorical question: What they call loss is what we shall call potential gain. This is what they are after. They have reach the ceiling of sales-management. They could not do any better without pulling scams on people. Unless… it is a legal one, in which case they need to make it look like it is legit ===> intervention of men of law. But you can’t apparentl bribe these people on that subject, for some reason. Fact with politics is that it is easier to blackmail than to bribe them, that’s it. If you an’t blackmail them, you have to push them to agree by making them lok bad if they don’t. But all of that is to create a monopoly where the men who are the ‘backbone’ of the market can decide what is salable, to who, when, why, how, and… for HOW MUCH because it spans so many things: software, hardware. It is no longer A huge market but it is the GLOBAL market. I don’t think i need to extrapolate any further for you to know where this may go. THEY WILL GO AS FAR AS THEY CAN, as long AS THEY ARE NOT PERSONALLY INVOLVED.

  • They need to stop this “piracy is hurting us” mentality they have going on.

    If people want to buy music, they will do so, regardless of whether they first have to download it or not. The ones they are worried about are those that would never buy, even if they couldn’t download first. But those people aren’t a loss of potential sale, because they’d never buy and that is the crux of their entire mentality and why people who get caught have to pay insane amount of money to ‘compensate’ for their not-so-lost ‘potential’ loss.

    The notion that they want to play on the general population’s gut feelings to make a political agenda sickens me, because most people will then associate child porn with evil music pirates and blocking p2p sites will thus become a lot easier.

    Of course, you can never weed out the true pirates/pedophiles, merely the ones who don’t know where they can get their stuff without any trouble.

  • To me this ISP level blocking etc is like saying:
    There’s a street where drug dealers hang out and you can score drugs there so let’s stop everyone from walking down that street… EVER!

  • “Once that principle has been established”

    It already has been in many places whilst not a true filter CP sites are blocked when requested by the police.

    “it is easy to extend it to other areas, such as illegal file sharing”

    No it isn’t. CP is hard enough to target as it is and you want to block an even bigger giant? Good luck with that. Goverments spend millions just tackling CP which is illegal on an entirely different level to copyright infringement.

    “And once censorship of the Internet has been accepted in principle”

    This will never happen.

    “hey can start looking at ways to make it more technically difficult to circumvent.”

    Impossible unless you want to completely destroy any sense of security on the internet. Banks will not be happy when you try to do that.

        • Yes, really clever. It a classical form of logical fallacy. More “because you don’t like “A” doesn’t make it bad”:

          “Because you don’t like yourself doesn’t make it bad”.
          “Because you don’t like anime doesn’t make it bad”.
          “Because you don’t like puppies doesn’t make it bad”.
          “Because you don’t like life doesn’t make it bad”.

          I now see why you need to call people retards. Do you have any self-doubts you would like to share with the rest of the group?

        • Didn’t know Lady Gaga was her own musical genre. Huh… o_0 Thanks for enlightening me.

          I hate her singing anyway. My nephew disagrees with me on that, and he’s gonna be five this October.

        • “Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it bad or for retards”
          – but this is only a cheap excuse of retards:
          “because you don’t like child porn doesn’t make it bad”
          “because you don’t like nazis doesn’t make it bad”
          and so on…
          I don’t like it because it’s shit for retards and I have to listen to it because it’s everywhere.

        • louder=better is the proof making music for retards + there is shit like rap, techno, lady gaga, hiphop … that is made from retards
          And why they are making this shit, because only a retard would buy it 🙁

  • I don’t know really, police often use these websites to hunt down the source of child porn so it’s hard to see what is right.

    I missed what country’s music industry they are reffering to; but music in the us has been downright awful lately. They really should stop looking for scapegoats and sign artists with actual talent.

    • That’s exactly what is happening in France. They started talking about going against file sharing, it didn’t work. Them they associated child pornography and file sharing, the law was accepted. Now they are actually passing laws to permit the police to install survailance programs in every individual computeur connection. This is madness. For more info look in the internet for “ACTA”, you will see how serious this is…

  • And this is the ultimate loop hole. No one will question saving the children by ridding the world of child porn. Too bad that won’t solve the problem.

    The pervebial foot in the door is slowly opening the beginning of the end.

    Newsgroups have already been censored because of 1 post of child porn that could have easily been deleted, and the person arrested. Instead all ISPs shutdown access. The real reason behind it? Piracy.

    Many governments have secret blacklists to block sites with child porn, and ALL OF THEM have been abused to remove legit websites both intentionally and accidentally. Recently the EU said it would start filtering child porn sites. Too bad this doesn’t get rid of them. More will spring up. Most child porn is traded via high encryption via obscure channels of the internet. This stops nothing in terms of profiting from child porn or the rape of children.

    All a person has to do, whether they are from the MPAA, RIAA, or government is say a site has “illegal content” such as child porn and they can block it from the interwebs forever. If a company or government doesn’t like what someone has to say like Wikileaks? They can just make it never happen.

    The only thing that should be censored is censorship. I don’t even believe child porn should be censored because of the huge risk of abuse it veils for manipulation. This isn’t about people getting to see children abused. It’s about the lynchpin of the very foundation of freedom of expression.

    Thankfully for the most part the internet sees censorship as damage, and the streisand effect helps. But that doesn’t mean all censorship will go notices. WE HAVE TO STAND UP. this act of censorship is infinitely more vile than child porn

    • It’s also only a VERY FEW PEOPLE that are saying that children are being abused in those situations. When people talk to me and hear my arguments AGAINST the idea that children are being ‘abused’ unless they are held in their homes as virtual prisoners and sexed……. they turn to my side on this issue.

      Simply time to realize that pedosexuality is NORMAL, legalize it and realize that if children don’t want to be sexed…. all they have to do is TELL AN ADULT!

      We don’t need to have it being a criminal offense, except in the aforementioned situation.

      • In other news, we also don’t let children handle our credit cards, drive cars and run around town unattended for a reason.

        You see, children tend to be very naive about the world around them, and often don’t make the best decision in a given situation. It’s not rare to see a child who does something and later ends up regretting it. Things that no sane adult would do, given the same situation.

        The potential for abuse here is immeasurable. A child is easily influenced and/or intimidated by adults. It’s only natural, as they see adults as authoritative figures.

        Even if I were to believe that you have the purest intentions and would always treat children with the proper respect, how would you prove to me that others will not?

        • Anonymous said:
          In other news, we also don’t let children handle our credit cards, drive cars and run around town unattended for a reason.

          Yes, the reason being we don’t educate them about handling credit cards, driving cars, etc.
          But are you saying no child is capable of doing these things, if properly educated?
          I’m not a doctor, maybe there is some development required to comprehend certain things that only comes with age (but age≠time)!
          But surely then, it would be possible to test them, right?

        • @23:53
          A: Are you telling us that children and adults have comparable resistance to abuse? Go read a book on child psychology. That’s as far from truth as it gets.
          B: Children, not teenagers. They are different.

        • Anon @ 19:29

          I don’t see how this applies only to children. There are countless ways to abuse adult by adult and even adult by child.

          > children see adults as authoritative figures.

          Huh, so what’s the success rate for telling kids “smoking ruins your health”?

    • Stand up you say? We lost that chance when weapons of mass crowd control were developed.

      Today, it’s impossible to preform an armed revolt. All it takes is for the government to grow corrupt once, and there is no getting our freedom back anymore.

      Ignorance of the people fuels oppressive regimes. Unless you somehow propose to educate the entire population (against it’s will, mind you), they will remain deadlocked into the same abusive political system that they themselves suffer from. There is no way around it. The political and financial elite makes sure that new political parties remain unheard, and unsupported. And the people? They are too scared to do something that may drastically change their lives, be it good or bad.

      Society will always pull back the enlightened and progressive. People who are not afraid of change are rare, and even among them, it’s rare to see their ideas in motion, let alone completion.
      Unless something significant enough to force people to change (ie something that makes them very unhappy) occurs, there is zero desire for change in the common human. Yes, most are unwilling to make their lives better by going out of their comfort zone. Go figure.

  • Music is porn for your ears. Therefore, every time I hear the crap these music industrialist shove into my ear is like and pardon my Juggalo reference, “putting a dick into my ear.” But I digress.

  • Truly disgusting the way they want to exploit both CP and people’s morality for their own interests.

    If they were really concerned about the children being abused for CP, they’d try to stop it period. Instead they pretend to go against children pornography when it’s just a cover for their agendas.

    • Anonymous says:

      Yes it does.

      Stalin’s Russia: “Disappearing” people. Photoediting so that the person /does not officially exist/.

      China: Great Firewall, censoring Google and flaming them for leaving.

      USA: “They” are working on it, oh yes they are. But interest groups exist and are funded, more-or-less.

      Singapore: This is what the USA is going to be. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

  • Any kind of censorship is bad in general,and What that guy is doing Is disgusting and sick Way of censoring the internet… Look what censorship Is doing too the U.S.A? we Can’t have anime as good as Japan On T.V Or have Just as good Eroge Without it being censored *cough* Jast *cough*. What they always ways say let them have an inch They well take a mile…

  • Old ideas, China already DOING that for years!

    They use “ban pornography” as excuses to setup the Great Firewall of China, then use it to control the flow of information, news, blogs, & everything on the Internet.

    The irony is now there are more pornography content in China than before the ban, but everything else are pretty much banned…

  • They really need to be careful where they take this cause two can play that game.

    Once the politicians and public realize that today it’s pretty much impossible to detect encrypted CP traffic due to all the P2P traffic that is now encrypted as a result of recording/movie industries…

      • Little problem: there is no ‘general disgust’ of CP. A lot of people who are one the internet who I know have come across it, and unless it has bleeding, crying children in it…. most of them do not see it as disgusting.

        The few who do are religious brainwashed idiots, who have bought into the idea that some imaginary, non-existant ‘god’ would be angry if children are having sex.

        • well 2:59 back in the days where i used to download porn off kazaa and limewire and the like, i found a mis titled child porn video.

          i watched 20 seconds of it out of morbid curiosity and then quickly removed that sick piece of film off my computer.

          i dont buy at all that most people are ok with child porn AT ALL. what you’ve read a few dozen comments from pedos and that in turn equals everyone? you are crazy dude. even though this subject is completely taboo its not that ppl wont talk about their feelings, its that they dont have any desire to do anything pedo related. most people are attracted to 15yr old+ its why they are called “jail bait” not kids who are 7.

        • I’m an atheist and I find CP disgusting. As you’ve probably guessed by now, I’m “on the internet”.
          Besides, how do you “come across” a CP if you aren’t looking for it? I don’t know anyone who has.

      • Ikuhisashiku says:

        The logic behind it is brilliant — I’ll give them that much. And it could actually work, which is the really sad part about it.

        But in this case, the ends DO NOT justify the means.

  • Ikuhisashiku says:

    You know…
    When I first saw the article to this title, I expected something funnier. Something along the lines of, “We love child porn! [Mistakenly calls “loli” material “child porn.”] We support freedom of expression!”
    As such, I could commence laughing my ass of at the speaker’s stupidity for calling loli materials by the wrong name.

    But this?
    This wasn’t funny at all. This was actually quite a put-down. And I was already down enough.

    Thanks, misleading title to article.
    Thank you oh-so-very much.

  • Not even worth worrying about. People have been barking up this tree for 15 years now.

    Anyway considering that even if you could convince ISPs outside of Europe to really bother filtering, there will always be some that just don’t give a damn.

    Until the internet is a regulated body (never happen in my lifetime) filters are just a placebo.

    • You’re not aware about Google and it’s current crusade against loli manga? I wouldn’t be surprised if in a couple years a records label threatens to sue over torrents since google points people toward them, and google does the same thing with torrent sites.

    • Practices that are anti-competitive or otherwise harm the free market are also wrong (not to mention illegal), but I don’t see the government doing something about it.

      Creating artificial scarcity when there is none is a great way to make money, but it violates free market 101. I’m talking about the price of digital products which cost next to nothing to “manufacture”, and yet are sold at extortionate prices. Digital content is still sold on the same price it was sold ages ago where it was actually expensive to produce the analogue media.

      And don’t go telling me that the actual production method is expensive. Compared to years ago, the audience is much larger, distribution is dirt cheap, and production costs are much smaller.
      Unless you can prove to me that Blizzard somehow needs over $72000000 each month to keep WoW alive, I say they are damn greedy basters who abuse their customer’s addiction. The same applies for:
      * EA – They’ve sold like 50 sims expansion packs and hundreds of sports game rehashes.
      * Disney – Japanese make better quality animation in fraction the budget and much smaller audience.
      * The MAFIAA masters – Their profits are significantly larger each year, but production costs are not.
      * The “Music industry” – They don’t even make anything, they just buy the souls of people who do.
      * The Video games industry – Development costs are fraction the costs of movie production, and yet their prices are several times larger.

      Piracy is rampant because prices don’t satisfy the actual financial state of their customers. If prices were reasonable in the first place, BitTorrent would have never taken off. Piracy wasn’t always “plug-n-play” like it is today. The need for a better alternative than the ridiculously overpriced old system is what created it. Some call this progress.
      Yes, there would always be assholes who would rather DL something than buy it. But then, you have the now outdated distributors to thank for. Even today, rather than updating their business model to fit the new conditions, they merely try to think of new (and ineffective) methods to enforce their own presence through legal and technical means, rather than through appealing to the customers.

      And piracy isn’t the “death of digital content makers” either. While individual makers may go up and down, sales increase every year. Every single industry.

    • I don’t understand that CP is wrong. In fact, I think that there is nothing wrong with it, nor having sex with a child, as long as you ask that child whether you can touch them and they say yes.

      We keep on having it harped on that children are too ‘immature’ (viewpoint) and too ‘inexperienced’ (how do you get experience except by doing) to have sex, yet I was having sex with adults when I was 7 and with other children when I was 3.

      I was QUITE mature and experienced enough, because I had read a lot of my parents health books and knew what sex was, to make my own choices about sex.

      We simply need to start giving children the knowledge they need to make their own choices from VERY YOUNG!
      That means sex education starting when they are 2, which I did with my children and my friend’s children! Told them what sex was, what it was for, and how to protect themselves from pregnancy (third part came when they were 6).
      STD’s? Don’t have to worry about that. One, because most pedosexuals don’t have STD’s at all. Two, because young children DEFINITELY do not have any except HIV, and I asked before allowing my or anyone else’s children to hang out with other children whether they have HIV or not, to keep my children safe in case one of the children with HIV gets hurt, so the children knew to go and get an adult and not try to help the person in question themselves.

      • Child porn might not be wrong in all cases (compared to adult porn, mind you!), but taking consent for granted by such a simple process as you describe is clearly short-minded. I mean, they’re consenting, yes, but they may not correctly understand what they are consenting to.
        I’m not at all denying that some children can give proper consent, but a simple oral answer as you suggest is not enough to make sure someone understands the implications of such an act.

      • No one is mature at age 7, let alone age 3… How can you claim to have sexual relatioships with other children at that age when your cognitive level isnt even developed well enough to understand notions such as time or feelings. And you were educated enough to understand the psychological and physical implications of such actions? And from age 2?! One thing is to teach your kids about their body and the act of reproduction/sex, another is to teach them what that implies and the psychological effects it may cause, and to promote such practices. You should have educated yourself on human biology more, you’d have learned that children of such ages cannot attain sexual pleasure per se (anal or oral fixations are derived from other factors) since they’re sexual organs are not fully developed… Now go back to your cave troll, no more food for you!

  • I have faith that when they really start cracking down, a new alternative will be made. However, I do have to say, their plan will work like a charm. Politicians and the general public are usually too short sighted to see how what they’re doing will affect things down the road.

  • The internet should be free, in every damn sense of the word.

    We have censorship in real life and it sucks! I envision the internet to be the only true expression of the soul and of the self; keep it free!

    I also like free stuff.

    • I agree. I hate our current world and all of it’s laws, censorship, and social norms. Our world is already ruled by Kings and Queens, but the internet is a King-less and, dare I say, god-less realm.

      And I like it that way 🙂

      I can do and say whatever I want in the world of the internet. I can post whatever I like and download whatever I like.

      If anyone were to try to take over this beautiful land, I will definitely strike them down in an all out war!

    • Free is good, but free is bad for the big corporations’ incomes. Y’see, children, one can easily control the press or television with a healthy sum of cash in the right peoples’ mouths, but with the internet, it isn’t that easy… which is why one must use the excuse of “child porn” to remove freedom from the internet entirely, so that the world can stay in corporate darkness for the years to come. Today we filter child porn, tomorrow it’s things that breach copyright law (pretty much anything, mind you), the day after tomorrow we it’s deviant thought.

      And that, as they say, is their strategy. And guess what, folks, it’s been working mighty fine for the past decade or so, while we were here, scratching our balls, doing nothing, letting politicians have their way with everybody’s constitutional rights.

      You like freedom? Well, it’s about damn time we start being vocal about it.

    • They will go from child porn, to Piracy, to sites that critisise movies and music, ect. Next thing you know everything will either be blocked or severly censored and there won’t be anything worthwhile on the internet except the sites that go underground. Wikipedia will be gone because encyclopedia publishers will have it blocked and all video sites will be gone (even youtube) because TV stations will block them because they are competition.

    • But the problem at hand here is everyone else will be against the notion of piracy by then, linking the filthy-child-porn-must-be-filtered mentality into filthy-piracy-must-be-filtered, and suddenly the legal issue gets a tinge or moral issue. It’s psychological manipulation at its best.

      • Music industrys fight against piracy is pretty funny as pirates remain their main source of income ( pirates buy 8 times more music than non-pirates ).

        I could imagine movie DVD sales to be affected by piracy, music and software probably benefits. ( wonder how many Photoshop / 3ds max/ maya buyers have practiced with pirated copies… also Windows would never have gained the popularity it did without piracy, whether this is a good or a bad thing I don’t know ).

        • “Real CP isn’t findable for the average user anyway.”

          QFT
          You’ll never find real CP just by searching for it on a file sharing site because it’s always given an unrelated file name. Either someone tells you which file to download or you end up finding it by accident (like that guy who was looking for college girls).

  • Its all part of the agenda to crush privacy along with piracy.
    Torrent sites have a very strict policy against child porn and this is just outrageous by attributing them to encouraging child porn.
    Also, saying that everyone agreeing that child porn is revolting is generalisation on a revolting scale.

    • Well they are not saying anything about torrent sites, what they want is to achieve censorship first. By attacking suspect websites that host CP they set up a basis and tool for censorship of the internet. It is something NO one can argue against without sounding like a pervert. Once in place and established they will use the same tech and twist around the facts to make file sharing seem as dangerous as CP and in need of the same blocking technology. It is actually quite genius but in the long run will severely hurt them. The music and movie industry believe it or not revolves around piracy and forms of it(considering most movies will become digital and most people will forgo physical media eventually). The simplest form is letting your friend borrow a CD, giving him or her some songs in MP3 format from the CD, letting them borrow a DVD or VHS. Same principle as pirating and great to keep interest of their content a high priority amongst the masses. Except in the age of downloadable movies they have a way to keep it in check.

    • what is revolting is ‘real’ child porn.

      maybe you don’t know what the outside world is like DFC but most everyone thinks this is ridiculously wrong.

      but yes god forbid he said ‘everyone’ oh you really NAILED HIM! mad grammar nazi power.

    • Yes, they do, but child model pictures are welcome on most torrent websites and that is probably what the music industry is referring to. Using the wrong terms once again in an attempt to make a point.

      • That’s how it always works.

        You want to infringe peoples rights? You get the filters in place by either
        A) Doing something against child porn (works for the media industry)
        or
        B) Doing something against terrorism (works for governments – Oh hi americans and your “patriot act”)

        When the system is in place the media industry will jump on it and block everything that infringes copyright, then the goverment self starts blocking sites they think you shouldn’t see (violence, crude black humor, other forms of abnormal porn). Hey look project green wall is not just for China, the rest of the world can just do the same thing.

        The worst thing is that keeps happening to several systems over and over and people just don’t learn. Those that think blocking child porn helps any children, you’re so wrong it’s not even funny.. it pushes the entire thing onto a far harder to trace route.
        If anything it actually prevents the sick fucks producing it from being found, you don’t have to believe me.. even child-porn prevention organisations are against such filters, like people that actually think instead of going “If we can’t see it, it does not exist”.

        Seriously people if you value your freedom and you have the chance to vote against anything that somehow enforces some form of censorship or blocks access to any form of information.. vote AGAINST IT, history just proves over and over again that once the means are in place they will be abused and the initial ‘good cause’ isn’t served.

      • @ Anon 14:24

        You’re absolutely right, 3d child porn is disgusting in it should stay on paper. Don’t let yourself be fooled by those ”freethinkers” who claim they have the right to do virtually anything because that’s their freedom of [insert random ideology/norm/standard]. Clearly what the music industry does is wrong but the ones saying that child porn shouldn’t be of any concern are victims of partial lobotomy.

      • I like child porn. I just don’t approve of the way that child porn is made nor when the ones on the video are forced to do whatever they do.

        I could write more and explain it in detail and even give answers to those more ambiguous or complex questions, but this is just a simple quick post.

        • @20:39 um, ok. what about UFC, WWE, and most major sports, Jerry springer; violence is not only LEGAL, it’s actually classed as ENTERTAIMENT for fuck’s sake. so where the fuck are you coming from??

        • I actually wrote a response to the story about the little girl, but realized that explaining someone the difference between a sexual preference and [i]raping[/i] the object of said preference was almost stupid. If someone can’t realize such a simple fact already then a logical discussion seems hard to maintain. I think that’s why many of these comments are being voted down. They fail to give proper reasons, and worst, most violently discriminate people with such attractions.

        • a lolicon: Your medical definition of pedophilia is correct, but I think it’s hardly the most commonly used one by people outside that circle. Pedophilia, in it’s most basic sense, means only having a sexual preference for prepubescent children.
          Homosexuality was once included in the exact same manual too. Thankfully, it is now recognized as an acceptable sexual orientation and it was delisted as a disorder.

        • I’m not from the Philippines, but it sounds to me that you have grander problems. Sex tourism is only possible when law enforcement isn’t doing it’s job, which is the symbol of a failed leadership. Don’t blame it on other countries, who have their own policies to deal with the situation.

        • When Child Porn is “filtered” from the Internet, it’ll just become even more expensive to buy on black market. That means all the “sick fucks” making the child porn are going to suddenly have a greater incentive to make it. Less Availability = Higher Price = Greater Incentive = More Children Raped = More Child Porn.

          Some figures of the public that want to make a quick buck and don’t jack off to child porn are going to suddenly be downloading the stuff en masse whilst they still can. It’s like a lucrative illegal investment. In ten years no one will be able to see even an inch of uncovered skin and all the old pedos who’ve been hoarding the stuff for years will be able to grab sick prices by selling burnt DVDs and etc.

          If this is to work, they’ll need more than filtering. They’ll need to plant thousands of Officer’s around the world globally and have them catch the people that start to sell tapes and DVDs.

          By adding filtering you simply encourage more people to do it in the real world. I’ve lived in the Phillipines and you won’t believe the number of girls that are sold to foreign business men. Some man in a suit comes to our shores and all the street girls will sell themselves to him. The man in the suit suddenly has a loli harem following him into his hotel…

          Censorship will have more of them corporate execs going over to those places. They’ll need to have inspections on all visits to ensure the execs are going places for legitimate reasons.

        • My reply was to [b]anon @ 18:51[/b].

          Bullshit system of posting is bullshit.

          Give us a “[i]Preview post[/i]”, damnit! When it takes between ~30 minutes to 12 freaking hours for the post to appear, editing it is impossible.

          Edit: Wow… it appeared instantly for once.

        • Actually, anon17:59, there would be less ‘child raping’ if having sex with children was made legal and brought out into the open.

          Let’s be real here: most of the child rapes are done by pedosexuals who are driven NUTS by sexual deprivation (yes, you can be driven nuts by lack of sexual contact with someone who you are sexually compatible with) and then go out and rape a child.

          There is no such thing as a ‘child predator’ or even ‘child molester’. The latter thing is just another word for someone having sex with a child, 99 times out of 100, willingly with the child’s permission and used to make it seem like someone is ‘evil’.

          The former thing? Don’t exist period. They use it to apply to ANYONE who sexually propositions a child today and ONLY use it in those circumstances, which makes the term WORTHLESS.

          Pedosexuality is simply a NORMAL SEXUALITY, and it’s time to realize that. Need I remind you that heterosexuality outside of marriage, homosexuality, and blacks having sex with whites was once viewed as ‘deviant’?

        • Anon @ 17:59

          [Quote][i]there are some problems with the laws but when it comes to things that need to be fixed in this world, pedo laws are next to last.[/i][/quote]

          Do you even know what pedophilia is? I doubt you do, so let me enlighten you.

          From [b][i]Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders[/i][/b]

          [quote][i]The paraphilic focus of Pedophilia involves sexual activity with a prepubescent child ([b]generally age 13 years or younger[/b]). … Individuals with Pedophilia generally report an attraction to children of a particular age range. Those attracted to females usually prefer [b]8- to 10-year-olds[/b], whereas those attracted to males usually prefer slightly older children.

          [b]Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia[/b]

          [b]A.[/b] Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children ([b]generally age 13 years or younger[/b]).

          [b]B.[/b] The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpe rsonal difficulty.

          [b]C.[/b] The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in [b]Criterion A.[/b][/i][/quote]

          Your “pedo laws” include those who haven’t reached the age of majority, which is bullshit.

          15-year-olds are allowed to have sex with whomever they please here, but IPU forbid that they videotape it.

          A 17-year-old videotaping him or herself masturbating, then uploads it to the Internet [i]will[/i] get a home visit by the police. Why? For spreading child pr0n, of course.

          It’s ludicrous.

        • anon 17:59

          you do realize that a lot of people buy child porn right? most of it is hardly all on the internet for free. there is a black market for it. a lot of these people who buy it support it and the sick people who do it with kids, and no doubt for a decent amount of money in cases. which just encourages more child porn.

          there are some problems with the laws but when it comes to things that need to be fixed in this world, pedo laws are next to last.

          i only have sympathy for the people getting screwed over 2d.

        • I think there was a study stating that pedophiles have less white matter in the parts of the brain that controls sexuality, assumed to explain their “condition”.

          Children touching themselves has very little to do with sex with adults or CP, there is a reason you don’t give kids mathces, and there is a reason why they aren’t allowed to deside for themselves.

          Another study showed that on average teens who start having sex before the age of 17 have more trouble with concentration ( and something else, can’t remember ), then again they were more confident. Ofc teens != kids, but still. So it can be argued that starting sex early isn’t too wise.

          All that said, I’m all for comic/animation CP.

        • Dude, I know a girl who was raped when she was just five years old. She has no hope of having any children due to the physical damage and trauma that she endured. Try to tell her and her loved ones that “pedosexuality” is normal. Even if it were normal, that does not make it right or moral. You are a degenerate. If I believed in Hell, I would hope you would quickly be on your way there. Since I do not put faith in such nonsense, I can only hope that you get some sort of debilitating disease that causes you extreme pain and an urge to end your own miserable existence. Now onto the issue of the article. Fuck them as well.

        • @16:18
          Really? I’m going to play the devil’s advocate here.
          Children are sexually active from young age and they show interest in exploring their sexuality even before they develop proper speaking skills. I understand how you can detest it, but why would you consider it vile?

          Now, I’m not against anti-pedophilia laws, but to prosecute people who haven’t harmed society to the slightest is wrong and we are paying the price, by having even more freeloaders in jail. Hunt down CP producers and predators but do so in a lawful and intelligent manner. Borderline illegal methods (ie Chris Hansen) and witch hunting does more harm than it helps. Keeping people in prison for 20 years for mere possession (of comics books, no less) is even worse.

          There are better ways to deal with the issue. Making pedos hide in their dark holes doesn’t really help, when we could have them work with psychologists to overcome their fetish. I strongly believe that there would be less child raping in this world, if society wouldn’t treat them like the scum of earth.

        • Why should it just stay on paper? The fact is that pedosexuality is a NORMAL sexuality, that there is NOTHING WRONG WITH!

          We just have a bunch of fucktards in the world saying that children can be ‘forced’ into sex ‘against their will’, which is a goddamned lie, because anytime you try to force a child into ANYTHING against their will, even if you are their parents, they are going to go running to someone and report you!

          It’s simply time to legalize pedosexuality and start giving children back their right to sex and sexuality. Pregnancy? BIRTH CONTROL! 100% effective unless you take something that nullifies that birth control.

        • Funnny, all the sick pups are burying any post that calls them out by voting down. By there own admission they don’t want a conversation, they just want to spew their own vile rhetoric. Not a single one replied or acknowledged (other than down voting) the story about the little girl who was raped at age 5 and lost her ability to have children. Sad. You people are horrible human beings and deserve every bad thing that ever happens to you in life.

        • @19:36
          What the fuck are you talking about? “Child Molester” is a person who molests a child. “Child Predator” is a person who attempts to have sexual contact with a child against it’s will (not to be confused with the legal definition that assumes children cannot give consent). Both exist and are widely spread.

          Don’t pull facts from your ass. Give us a scientific paper on the frequency of reported abuse by affected minors. Otherwise, I call your “99/100” bullshit.

          Pedophilia is not sexuality, it’s a fetish just like “homosexuality”. Stop trying to abuse the “we are all equal” card. I hate fags who use it, and I hate you for using it.

          Need I remind you that unlike homosexuals, children are much less aware of how the world works and they are incapable of judging between abusive behaviour and normal behaviour. Neither can they defend themselves with force like an adult man or a woman.

          Prove to me that pedos never abuse children, or at least far less than adults abuse their sexual partners. If you can’t, then there is no way I’m letting you near a child.

      • They are being silly. Look at China and the Great Firewall. It is rather like a double standard where they are trying to impose their values and dismiss another countries.

        But you’d think they’d learn that complete censoring is impossible when it is only done on the censoring side.

        Perhaps they should first try google and see if any images pop up for child porn first.

        • It was before Terrorism. If they use CP and T together they may manage to limit encryption as well. And then inevitably they will work to limit our powers to critique them.

          And we shall have Norsefire.

          I hope we will have a V.

        • The clipper chip failed in the States over a decade ago, but that was back before 9/11 when the fascists weren’t so bold as they are now. I would not be surprised to see encryption be banned in certain countries *coughUK* these days.

          I would also not be surprised to see the tradition of strong crypto survive by rolling up into obligatory steganography immediately after that.

        • Now some idiot need to start some time bomb ticking. For the better, filters could kill off piracy. For the worst, people start to think that child porn is good and things becomes worst.

          A great idea to get people to accept ‘norms’ but also a gamble where the equation can move the other direction as well.

        • lol, they think that stupid filter will stop pirates? there was another torrent site called torrentspy that stopped allowing access to americans. bust out the ip scrambler and it thinks your accessing it from russia. BOOM! instant access.

          the point is when the officials try to stop something, the hackers unite and find a way to bypass it. all it takes is a little patience to find it.

          -DavyJones

        • It’s interesting to see a sentence like this:

          [quote]We continuously monitor the child porn on the net, to show the politicians that filtering works.
          [/quote]

          That means they know where child porn is located, who placed it there, and who gets it. Probably for years. Still they don’t call police about it.

          Now… when are they finally going to jail for aiding and abetting?

        • @17:32
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptography#Prohibitions
          You were saying?

          The proposed legalization failed because it also harmed the one force that has absolute power over our legislators – the corporate world.

          Just because it failed once, it doesn’t mean they will never force the law down our throats. Three strikes laws, internet censorship and surveillance without warrant face great opposition too, and yet some countries already have them in place, and many more are trying to pass them. The USA already has laws against all of these in at least a few states. And if the “most free” country in the world can pass such laws, how do you suppose something like cryptography (which most people don’t really care for) won’t become regulated in the future?

          It’s doesn’t have to be outlawed outright. Just limit unlicensed cryptography use to a easy to crack algorithms, include cracking tools in DMCA-like regulation and most people will not even pay attention to it.

        • They will never outlaw encryption, anonymous. In fact, they tried doing that over in Britain 10 years ago, and the large outcry from the populace made them back down EVEN WHEN THEY BROUGHT UP THE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ARGUMENT!

        • @16:07
          The underlying assumption is that everything is accessible and open. What do you suppose happens if(read: when) they outlaw encryption and make ISPs monitor all your traffic. All in effort to reduce CP traffic, ofc.

          Or if we are forced to use mandatory hardware dongles + “approved” DRM enhanced operating systems?

          Stenography becomes less secure the more users it has. Take away cryptography, and the only secure method of “online” transfer will be the SneakerNet.

          You may think that’s too Orwellian, but most people 30 years ago would think that mass surveillance is Orwellian too. Don’t underestimate self-righteous politicians who think they know better than everyone else.

        • i will only say this once… the only way to “block” “filter” and prevnt people from geting to a site they want to… would be to remove the internet…

          every solution they come up with will be broken down craked hacked and opsoed with every GOD DAMN FIBER that i can muster

    • But you miss out something very very important – no one here is fiddlin’ with real kids – just moe stuff and drawn stuff on paper. as adults they know you don’t do that shit to real kids.

      the real criminals are keeping kids locked up in their cellars, hiding behind vpns, using money to silence victims, beating kids when they want to relieve their frustrations and yelling at them for doing some small thing wrong.

      the punishment for possessing drawn art/ lolishoter / taking a pic of a child on the street – is far more severe than actually molesting or raping the child.

      what the fuck have we come to?

      • Not so sure about the following anons:
        17:37 29/04/2010, 19:36 29/04/2010, 17:43 29/04/2010, 19:38 29/04/2010, 17:48 29/04/2010 actually.

        But anyway. CP does not equate to Loli/Shota.
        The latter are fictional beings, they don’t think, bleed, eat etc unless drawn that way.

        Unlike CP, which is made with living, breathing, eating etc kids.

        And that’s a pretty big distinction, least to me anyway.

        And yeah, punishment for actual production of CP or the rape/abuse you mention really should be upped, but it’s up to the politicians to alter the laws for that. Then again, most politicians aren’t that interested in either common sense, efficiency or resolving an issue. They’re just interested in good PR so they can line their own pockets or the pockets of friends/donors in big business.

        And I’m all in favour of letting their little soundbite hit the major news networks. Sure, there will be a story which puts his comments in the proper perspective eventually. But the damage will already be done at that point (and folks won’t believe the correction, because they’ve already made a decision that it must be true and heaven forbid that they’re wrong about something).

        Course the chances of this happening is fairly slim, considering who owns the major news networks.

        • Anonymous says:

          Like I said.. Common sense.

          If he did rape his gf then put him behind bars for a long time.

          If it is something done in light of their mutual relationship, then create a Romeo/Juliet clause to exclude their consensual activities from criminal prosecution. Although again, within reason, so a 16 minimum cut off point isn’t that unreasonable. It’s not that much to ask for kids to keep their hormones somewhat in check until they’re both within the legal boundaries.

          By that same token someone with weed should be getting a lesser sentence than someone who committed murder. Although, I can imagine that someone trafficking in multiple tons worth ending up with an equivalent sentence.

          Then again, I’m one of those folks fully in favour of fully legalizing it, meaning not just the limited sale in shops or growth for personal use, but also growth for sale to the shops or individuals. And then fully taxing said usage. It’s really no different from alcohol, and that’s socially accepted.

          And laws aren’t horrible things, they’re just tools, how they’re implemented and written is what determines whether or not they’re effective or not. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need laws, but considering how fucked up humanity is, and how you need to set up boundaries for the lowest denominators in order to keep society stable.. Well. They’re the best we can do.

          (And yes, that means that sometimes they’re too generalized, but it’s just not possible to craft a law in such a way that it can deal with every possible permutation. Most common occurrence is pretty much the best angle to follow, as it covers most situations.)

        • Just what we need, much harsher punishment for an 18 year old that ‘rapes’ his 17 year old girlfriend.

          The law doesn’t see a difference from this as opposed to real, nasty rape CP. Laws a horrible thing as is. What kind of system lets a murderer get less time than someone with weed?

      • Well I wasn’t talking about the people who like 2D loli since those are just drawings. It’s the people who are saying shit like “I don’t see why it’s bad to have sex with a child”. Those are the people who are lumped together with people who simply like 2D loli.

        • My rules on it are 13 and under yes you do have a problem esp if you give into those urges.
          But I have no issues with lolicon even though it’s not my thing.
          I strongly believe in the first amendment.

          Teenagers on the other hand are not innocent and often will lie about their age so thus should be considered a lesser crime.
          I was a teenager not too long ago and remember what I thought about.

        • Most males are sexually attracted to children – there have been psychological studies demonstrating as much. The very notion of “childhood” is itself a recent invention anyway. Interest in 2D is thus a manifestation of already latent desires.

          What you are condemning is an unhealthy fixation with little girls occasionally culminating in rape – the distinction has been lost.

    • I wouldn’t say full of, but there’s definitely a section who seems to deem it ok.

      Which is complete bull dung to me. They ignore the fact that a child cannot give consent (hence also why there’s a juvenile court system as well, due to their inability to come to informed decisions), how easy it is to manipulate/intimidate them to remain silent etc.

      Then again, I do believe we’ve found our next batch of future Roman Catholic Priests here. Considering the padres pulled the exact same crud as these folks are saying is ok, it’s only now getting out what they did.

      Or maybe they should move to Missouri, so they can have their feonsay, and love them a hole bunch. I mean, that chap is a good example, it’s a clear case that the child wanted it right? She was giving consent by approaching him in such an erotic way..

      And then there was the Dugard case, also a clear example of that girl wanting to be kidnapped etc etc.

      I’d suggest leaving them alone with Big Bubba for a while to see how well their arguments last while receiving similar attention by Bubba, who can clearly tell that they want him.