Minori Vandalises Eroge Translation Site

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Eroge publisher Minori, well known both for the ef series and its grotesque xenophobia, has earned itself additional notoriety for its ham-fisted attempt to take down a fan translation project by deleting the contents of their wiki and replacing it with a copyright infringement notice, and then engaging in an unseemly edit-war with site inhabitants.

The incident began with Minori “taking down” a fan translation wiki page for one of their games (Eden) by blanking the page, which was reverted as vandalism. Some hours after this they came back and overwrote the page with the following:

The copyright of all the files on this page belongs to Minori. As we never gave permission for its distribution we are deleting it all for you.

The lengthy exchange between the xenophobes at Minori and a bunch of obnoxious, self-righteous pirates is not worth reproducing here, but the incident was eventually “resolved” with threats of legal action by Minori and the relatively responsible translators agreeing to cease their translation project.

Minori itself denied receiving any request for permission from the translators, whilst the translation group supposedly asked, received no response and decided to go ahead anyway – just what actually transpired is not clear.

This incident coupled with Minori’s previous inflammatory treatment of international fans seems to indicate the company either possesses only the most embarrassingly rudimentary understanding of the workings of Internet PR, or else it is intentionally treating international fans with the contempt it thinks they deserve.

It is difficult to explain why they persist in blaming foreigners for censorship of their industry with any explanation except sheer prejudice – all the groups striving to impose bans on the industry have been Japanese religious maniacs using international criticism (which so far amounts to a few slow news days and a crazy band of feminist liars) as an excuse to pass the laws they seek.

Legally however, Minori is quite correct in asserting its rights – translated works generally remain under the copyright of their original authors, and distributing without permission them constitutes copyright violation, except where allowed by “fair use” or similar.

Additionally, it is quite clear the majority of fan translation projects facilitate piracy far in excess of any international sales they might generate, and so from this perspective it is easy to see why publishers are not infrequently sceptical of them – translators can hardly be ignorant of the fact that their patches are more often applied to torrented isos than they are to legitimately imported games.

Whatever the legal questions raised by the fracas, it certainly serves as an abject lesson in how not to handle the issue – in fact it is hard to imagine it being handled in a worse way.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    13:54 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In a somewhat ironic twist, they've got Western economics down pat out in the Far East. I guess they're so far up their own rear ends that they've hit the Americas.

    Piracy is not harmful if it is nonprofit and noncompetitive. This means no one is making money off the piracy (no dubloons, laddy), and the pirated item is not available in that location. For example, if I stole an HIV vaccine from the states, duplicated it, and gave it for free to people in Africa, it's legally piracy. But they can't afford the meds, even at cost let alone the 100x markup, so they are not prospective buyers, and I'm making no money off it, in fact I'm losing money. If the pharmaceutical firm throws a hissy fit, they get bad press, people stop buying from them. If they support the move and endorse it retroactively as a matter of "charity", they're Mother Frick'n Teresa to news stations.

    The pirates offer media coverage opportunities, but also media pit-traps. Mostly pit-traps here because though normals would say "way to stick it to the pirates", unfortunately, their target market are otaku, NEETs, and hikkikomori, all of which have a nasty stereotype of /being pirates/. Know your target audience, folks.

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    Comment by a407904887
    14:18 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Indead,minori's games had translated into Chinese by Chinese fans,but it doesn't seem to translate to English.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:32 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ta da~~

    What, minori aren't going after them?! Omg the shocks and horrors. They'd rather take on the soft underbelly of the maru-maru-boos than the Green Dam, and I'm not surprised.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:07 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, the chinese never did any bashing of Japan for eroge as far as I know. Whereas the english community has been going crazy over CNN's pirating of Rapeplay.

    Btw, anyone called the cops on them yet? They did obtain it illegally right?

    Copyright Cops!!!! The CNN has infringing materials on their computer!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:40 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How sad. Oh well, since Midori isn't supporting the international scene...

    Guess pirating is the only way to go until they start to wake up. Once I move out, I can finally start to collect all the H games and have no fear of it being found. Lol.

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    Comment by echelon64
    15:25 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    HOLY!! A Japanese company not allowing foreigners access to their products or outright not releasing them regardless of their existing fanbase and potential profits that might come from importing said products? This really is (tabloid) news!!

    Still, copyright is copyright but the fact that minori couldn't have sent the usual cease and desist letter,which TLwiki always respects (Saya no Uta is an example), just seems unnecessary and immature .

    Oh delicious intrawebs tears.....

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:05 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I find this act to be highly unprofessional by Minori. It's like a kid rubbing out another kid's work because he was copying him.

    What Minori fails to see is that if they considered letting their Eroge go out of Japan, some of the 'dirty' foreigners will pay for them. They assume that because a handful of people complain about them, all foreigners are the same.

    Yet ironically, they turn a blind eye and fail to see that there are such people complaining about eroge in their own country.

    Besides I'm sure the Japanese are as well versed in the act of software piracy as any other country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    summary of minori's stance :

    1. minori doesn't allow usage of their software outside Japan
    2. minori doesn't allow buying/selling of their software outside Japan
    3. Said softwares does not work without Japanese operating system
    3.1 The software is locked intentionally to only work with Japanese OS
    4. minori website blocks all foreign access
    5. minori requests foreigners to solve the rapelay problem as if all foreigners are responsible
    6. NNL actually did contacted minori regarding the wind translation long ago but was ignored
    7. minori demands unrealistic conditions if anyone want to obtain their license, doubtful if they actually want anyone to talk to them at all

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:20 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    indeed now i see everything well true all the means we get to play the game is indeed illegal (hacking and pirating) since we cant understand the EULA if there is ever one which I know there is.
    sure you buy an original copy of the game but you will still need to hack it to get the installer working right its a hassle and sure it maybe easy to do but its still illegal

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    Comment by Simon Jones
    20:40 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    > 5. minori requests foreigners to solve the rapelay problem as if all foreigners are responsible

    But... it *is* our responsibility. It's our laws, our elected officials. We have to fix it ourselves. They can't fight our battles for us, nor do they have such an obligation to us.

    >6. NNL actually did contacted minori regarding the wind translation long ago but was ignored

    Ignoring is a "polite" way of saying "no."

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:52 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is THEIR problem.
    And no, it's not MY responsibility, same as not every niggers are responsible for robbing.

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    Comment by GHS
    13:30 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's all the fuss about anyway. They were caught breaking copyright infringement. They damn knew that there was a risk of this happening to them. Same if someone downloaded underage pornography (3D mind you, to avoid the 2D not people argument since that's outside the scope of this article). If they didn't then they were just deluding themselves. Still, the conduct of Minori was unprofessional at best, if not childish.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:49 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In the age of digital media any form of piracy is inevitable given the nature of P2P networks. It's a complete waste of time to fight the tides of change (and it's a fucking big tide at that).

    Funny how people invest so much time, money and effort into fighting piracy. That sort of resource could be put to better use in figuring out how to turn piracy into a new form of distribution channel and turning a profit from it.

    I'm not supporting the notion of a free lunch. I'm just stumped by people's refusal to change and adapt to new trends.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:39 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japanese companies are even more stuck in their old business model than companies in other parts of the world are. So its no wonder they won't change their methods or acutally try a new way to sell things

    It don't matter how you sell stuff if it can be pirated their are always people that will and have done so since man first figured out if I build this I can sell it. So instead of wasteing time, money, effort trying to stop people you'd be better off

    A) not pissing off the paying customers who WILL pirate your stuff out of spite

    B) finding ways to expand your ways to sell so you can end up with a much larger amount of buyers over pirates.

    C)People are lazy if they got a choice between pay $5 for the simple ready out of box way to get their stuff or spend a couple of hours looking for a place to d/l and getting around the worthless DRM you'll find a lot of people will just pay the $5 to avoid the hassle when their is an easier way. And don't worry about the guys that went to the trouble to d/l and bypass your DRM as they weren't going to buy it anyways so your not going to lose off them to start with.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:07 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They never want to play their game by Gaijin any more.
    It's natural. You know.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:46 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    pretty sure it would get pirated by more japanese speaking people anyway. raising a storm over a translation project won't help anything in the long run.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:56 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If I work for minorin, I'll probably do the same thing. and actually if you want to blame anyone, blame CNN and the EU, they were the cause of this. Before that there weren't such a problem. Minorin makes games that can only be sold in Japan and not other countries. So there is no legal way of obtaining it unless you live in japan.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    16:30 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    *Notes down whom to boycott*
    M-i-n-o-r-i

    Incidentally, I would rather spend money for pirated VN, than to official distributors that have DRM and stuff which forces you to stay connect to the interwebz, effectively robbing you of your freedom.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:55 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Their action may not be correct, but their reasons are sound no matter how you see it.

    Who are the people who forces and pressure the ban on making rape games?

    Who are the one reporting the Rapelay game and putting pressure of their government to ban loli etc?

    You can speck and excuse all you want on no lost sales on pirating, but in the first place the people who created all these games, you mean they have no right who they want to see or access them?

    Yes they do not want foreigners having to access and play their games. Especially the English speaking countries with all the shit they are giving. Why is it as of now it seems that they close their eyes on the CHINESE.

    Call them xenophobia all you want. Who are the Idiots who vote for their countries government that's giving them all the needless shit and yet have the nerve to call Minori on their own company policy. Full of ego?

    You want to destroy them and yet you also want to pirate their product. When they dont want you to see their work, you call out on them. Why dont you just nuke them again? save all the trouble. As one of your politician said, two is not enough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:37 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Speaking of electing a government, how many actually registered and voted? More importantly, how many of these are even at the legal age to vote?

    Hell, do YOU vote?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:47 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >Who are the people who forces and pressure the ban on making rape games?
    Not me.
    Why should I take responsibility for this?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:15 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's a republic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:28 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon 01:37

    Is that the best you can point out? Like even If you are given the right to vote, will anything change?

    No, Example If you are American, in the end it be the same 2 party. And all goes back to square 1. Just like how it was in the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s.

    you think just because you can vote, everything will change and utopia will be here?

    Anon 01:47

    Sure pass the blame, the government the one to do it. If you feel so strongly not to be associated, why dont you speak up and do things that are useful.

    Cos its not your problem? When all rights you feel the need to be involve in all the good stuff, when things go wrong, not me, so not my responsibility. Yeah like that work

    Think again. When as of now, the CHINESE are off the radar? They pirate more of the eroge, they have much more fan translated stuff.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:17 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Minori just updated their (外国) foreign website. Anyone willing to provide a translation of it? It's awesomely long.

    I'm not an expert, but from what I read so far, seems like they decided it is safer for everyone if they just block the outer world out.(Sadly, I agree with their stand)

    Thanx CNN. Thanx!

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:49 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    tl;dr

    "Come to Japan or you aren't allowed to play our games"

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:59 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let's just hope the ef translation is not effected.. Or I'll rage..

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:57 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agnes and co. have been bitching and moaning for a ban on anything otaku-related for a while and nothing's happened. The Japanese media's been going off on how anime and manga are ruining Japan since Miyazaki Tsutomu and nothing's happened. But one stupid gaijin femi-nazi group complains and it ends up setting off a chain of events that lead up to this whole mess where now an actual law is about to be passed.

    Sure, the foreigners aren't the only ones to blame. But they're a big part of it and if they'd stop sticking their noses in the freedom of expression in our country, things wouldn't have gotten this far.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:30 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But it's NOT ME.

    I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE "FOREIGNERS"

    fucking racist fuck.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:08 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Are you want to play hentai games.
    Why don't you make it in your own country.
    Is it illegal?
    So, you shouldn't play any hentai games.
    Not illegal?
    Again, why don't you make?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because we don't give a shit if we can or can not play?

    We'll play if there is and will not if there isn't, dumbass.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:48 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What he said.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:05 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You may know this isn't just because of piracy.
    Piracy is, of course, problem. It's just a profit problem and it's means there are potential customer.
    No reason to prohibit, they just do nothing.

    But this time, it's because of political - legal problem.
    In some states, you may arrest and get the verdict "(fictional)child pornography".
    Not joke, it's fact.

    So, minori is just take his "social responsibility".
    Good company, isn't it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:32 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For eroge makers to fear it most is to be regarded eroge's illegality as questionable in foreign countries and criticized severely from there.
    They has misgivings about circulation to foreign countries very much because there is a precedent.
    Actually the movement of the restriction to the eroge industry becomes strong in Japan now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:36 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    - すべての海賊版のエロゲの由来はShare/PerfectDark/Winny
    - Share/PerfectDark/Winnyは全て日本発
    - Share/PerfectDark/Winnyに海賊版を放流してる人は全て日本人
    - Share/PerfectDark/Winnyのユーザーは大抵日本人
    - 外人はShare/PerfectDark/Winnyを使って日本人から海賊版をダウンロードしてTorre
    ntに流す
    - Torrentのpeerは大半日本のip
    - 古いTorrent(peerが少なくなっているtorrent)のpeerは大抵日本ip

    割れ害人(笑

    ttp://img104.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=65517_Capture2_122_499lo.JPG

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:53 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I always thought it was legal to translate until it was licensed in your country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:23 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's covered under international copyright law. Just because it's not released in your country doesn't mean it isn't protected by the copyright laws there, it's just that nobody bothers cracking down on it (which is why asian bootleg stores freely sell pirated Asian movies and music in western countries, because there's nobody who gives a shit, the authorities certainly don't).

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:12 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those bastards!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:27 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Out of Japan,
    gradually hentai games are becoming illegal.
    Infact, U.S. man got a guilty verdict because he has hentai manga.

    And some gaijin play their hentai game in illegal, people criticize not only him, and also hentai game company.

    "These are illegal in your country, we never want you play our game. You should play your own country games. Good-bye."

    It's OK. We should make our own hentai game and ban Japanese players?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:36 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, Minori said they are willing to accept an official translation if the translator is willing to take responsability for the publication of the game at his country, with a proper rating system.
    "Responsability" is the word here. There's a real witch hunt going around those days, with the lousy feminist groups doing what they want. Minori is afraid that Bob (13) is caught by his mom playing the english hentai games he bought/downloaded ilegally and she goes to CNN/FoxNews/etc screaming around "how those jap games are barbaric pedoshit" and usually this soccer mom try to sue them for the game.(See the rapelay case)
    Of course, if you wouldn't buy it in the first place, you have no right to complain.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:43 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yes but they don't want to have anything to do with filthy gaijins in the first place.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    00:16 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In your scenario, the mom and her son should get cut off the web, cause they obviously using it wrong. To let minors use the interwebz is like giving them everything you forbid beforhand. Pretty crazy if you ask me. BAN CHILDREN FROM THA INTERWEBZ

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    Comment by Daiyousei
    21:29 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This distinctly sounds to me like they have a bit of a hot-head for a PR officer. It also sounds like pretty dumb marketing; this is going to be a rather severe blow to their public image.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    21:47 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Luckily some other (better) companies like Type Moon gave their blessings to fan translators or make deals to publish their games here like Nitroplus. Then again, only the few racist/full of prejudice/retarded on both sides are vocal about it.

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    Comment by babybluez287
    10:58 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    what Minori should do is release the VN actually sell it online to westerners

    and release a downloadable patch themself for like a small fee . that way people would actually buy their stuff

    well atleast i know i would .. saves the trouble of translating

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    Comment by GHS
    13:36 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You're making it sound like it's cheap to get someone to translate their stuff domestically. Businesses just aren't willing to take a risk like that and lose the investment in a translator and web hosting and all the paperwork for selling something overseas in the economy as it is right now. Think about it. Who knows what their profit margin is right now. The could already be in a deficit from all the pirating they get domestically. Risking for foreign sales in an environment like that is next to economic suicide if you're a businessman and you might as well have your bankruptcy papers handy if the risk fails.

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    Comment by CC
    02:32 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Apperently their fans are satisfied with some random people on the internet subbing it. Instead of silencing people by threatening them you could pay them a little as a good gesture towards their fan community and then raise the status of their translation to 'official'.
    Costs, near zilch... potential profit is both free advertising as sites around the internet will post of your "good deed" and a you just gained a whole lot of potential customers.

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    Comment by GHS
    13:05 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But it's not as simple as just paying them money. If they pay them, does that mean they're now employees of the company? Could these people really deliver what they say they can? For all they know it could be just talk. What if the translation quality isn't up to par with company standards or worse they make a bad translation and other people judge it harshly? There are legal grey areas if they actually pay them to translate their stuff on the internet. They probably don't want to deal with the hassles and headaches.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:37 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Copy user does not pay, but criticize.
    Stealing manga, eroge and so on, all they say is "The pirate edition supports sales."
    Some of comments in sankaku show it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Professional company does not vandalize.

    Good company send mail. Translators like games of company. Translators respect company. Translators do what company ask. No problems.

    Pirate always pirate even if there is english version, but english version allow normal people to buy game and support company.

    Pirate edition comes from japan, also. Not foreigner who come into country to put game on internet.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:36 26/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon speak good truth. Pirate will pirate. Asian pirate will pirate Asian.

    A good company did send me a mail, about evangelion of all things, requesting politely to stop uploading episodes of it. So I did, they were really nice about it.

    What's that thing that everyone thinks the Japanese have... Honor? No that's not it... Respect? No, not that... Politeness? Guess not... Oh right, pathological xenophobia. It makes it so you act really stupid sometimes, but give them a break, xenophobia is a millennium-long part of their tradition.







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