Who Says American Comics Don’t Have Sexy Art?


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    Comment by Anonymous
    00:35 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "Unfortunately for the reputation of American comic artists, all these were in fact drawn by a Tokyo-based Japanese illustrator, Sana Takeda, now quite well known for illustrating a wide variety of American comics."

    Looks at half of the comments on this board again.

    Nice one...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:30 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    If we're talking mainstream superhero comics, Amanda Connor's art is pretty good.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:24 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Manga is fun, but I've yet to discover anything with any real depth to it. Dave McKean's Cage's and Gaiman's Sandman are fucking masterpieces in the medium. I can't believe anyone with a half-brain would declare manga is better than western comics. How about Garth Ennis, Frank Miller, Enki Bilal, Alexander Jodorowsky, or fucking Grant Morrison.

    I want one example of a mangaka that weaves such a complex narrative into their work as any of the names listed above.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:13 19/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Naoki Urasawa? Tsugumi Ohba? Nisio Isin?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:58 04/02/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    People usually compare Japanese manga with American, this isn't the same with comparing it with "Western".

    Most manga fans, when presented with French comics actually take to it pretty well.

    Anyone with half a brain can see that Frank Miller isn't a great writer. His work can be enjoyable but for anyone to say he makes complex narratives, that person must surely find a plastic bucket to be a complex narrative.

    Having Neil Gaiman, to be declared a master in the medium and then ignore manga writers who weave complex, coherent narratives such as Kentaro Miura, Osamu Tezuka, Naoki Urasawa, Hirohiko Araki, Katsuhiro Otomo and many other masters is to be just plain ignorant.

    There are many more manga writers who have weaved complex narratives that operate in a realistic setting (which actually takes more skill because you can't resort to "oh this is all in my head" and everything that happens in the story has a real consequence). The same can not be said about Neil Gaiman, actually.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:09 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Sexy eh? Emma Frost? Psylocke? Power Girl?

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    Comment by Martijn
    08:59 19/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bat/Catwoman? She-Hulk? Jean Grey? Tarot?

    So many hot women, so little space and time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:37 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love Fathom.

    RIP Michael Turner.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    amerikkka pig disgusting

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:38 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Posting from Finland?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:52 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    sorry, but you can't compare the Marvel universe, DC, Iimage etc with animé. its a diffirent league

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:22 21/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Teen Titans, The Batman, Young Justice. No, not comparable at all...

    Comment by Nin
    02:10 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Isn't it obvious? The art is beautiful, but there isn't a single hint of "cute" anywhere. And that's why I'll always keep generally favouring Japanese art over American art.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:20 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://adamwarren.deviantart.com/gallery/

    Love Adam Warrens work.

    Oh, and for comics, fanservice/manservice = cheesecake/beefcake.

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    Comment by taz0x
    02:51 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you know when i was looking at all these i thought "hmmm, usually in american comics they'd have WAY more definition and detail on like facial structure and muscles and what not", but when i read the last bit, it all makes sense. the only message i get from this is that true american art can't be as sexy as japanese ones. someone needs to prove this theory wrong

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:31 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    sry, just not my taste.
    i find westerners too... "Bulky".

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    Comment by knuclear200x
    02:53 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What? NO pictures of Witchblade, Gen 13 or even Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose OR the freakin' Bomb Queen?! Those last two are drawn NAKED in every ISSUE. UNCENSORED.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:01 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wayyyyy too old.

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    Comment by Sandalphon
    04:00 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Personally, I've always found incredible how real American comic art look. However, that same realism takes away from the 'fantasy' feel of it. Characters being as art-wise realistic as they can be, they also are not expressive enough.

    In the end, reading an American comic feels like watching a movie with corny designs and bad actors that can't muster the slightest bit of emotion to make itself present on their plastic faces.

    In contrast, Japanese manga has achieved such success because, unlike comics, it has not been limited in its character designs by what should be realistically possible, hence the weird colored hair, impossible hairdos, superdeformed art, chibi art, impossible face expressions among a hundred other traits.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:21 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How is this even an issue? Sexy artistry that is completely American-produced and American-originating has appeared in American comic books for decades. Any intimation that manga art inspired a trend in American comic book art in this sense is just ridiculous.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:21 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow so many weeaboo faggots here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:41 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree with taz0x, i was looking at the pics before i read what was written there and the first thing i think was "it has alot of japanese feeling in it", the way the camera angles are made, the drawing of emotions, more lively faces,the sense for motion.

    There are for sure many American comics that are great without a doubt(Battle Chasers) but the feeling remains somehow allways dull for me, maybe its becouse the japanese artist's arent so constricted to reality and dont fear to draw and experiment with other things, sometimes even crazy ideas yet the ppl fall for those even tough there are many things in manga wich let ur brain stop to work when u think "whats this". I think those things make a fresh wind and make the comic more lively,interesting and inspiring.

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    Comment by Barbarian of Gor
    02:59 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    American comics are full of "Sexy" art, most notably the "Bad Girl" glut of the late/post "Comic book boom". Just look at some of Adam Hughes stuff...

    Let's also note Adam Warren who's "Dirty Pair" work got so popular it's "Illegally" imported into Japan, not that it enjoys too much commercial success in the USA... He's doing a new series he publishes direct to graphic novel called "Empowered" that jokes about Superheroes and puts in plenty of "Sexy" without descending into real porn, I guess "Ecchi"...

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    Comment by Myballz
    03:09 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I did read Ms. Marvel Comics issues before I believe that was around the Marvel Civil War thats not really Ms. Marvel thats Moonstone. They do try make her into this Sexy Hero but really is she a bitch if you really want good example of a Sexy Hero try She-Hulk god knows Marvel Comics try so many times to make her look as sexy and laughable.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:14 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sexy?Shit X D

    FAIL
    AA
    I I
    L L

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    Comment by Myballz
    03:18 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I remember in one of the She-Hulk Comics about the Shield Agent who try to make She-Hulk jump rope naked that was funny.

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:36 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Comics are sometimes good for laughing at. Not to jokes, but for unintentional things.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:39 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Whatever can be said about the quality of American comic art, the largely justifiable perception that such comics consist almost exclusively of juvenile superhero yarns"

    Yes because moe shit like Lucky Star and shounen shit like One Piece is the pinnacle of mature story telling and anime fans only read mature manga for mature people such as yourselves.

    Stupid shoddy Americans giving us shit like The Watchmen, Lucifer, The Sandman and other obviously shitty stories while superior Nippon gives us masterpieces in story telling like Bleach.

    Seriously shut the fuck up with that bullshit. Both sides have their good and bad and they should be enjoyed for their own respective strengths. Overarching generalizations are stupid. I read both manga and comics and I see them for what they are, sequential art works. The orientation and subject matter may be different but they overlap more than you give them credit for and they're the same goddamn medium.

    In fact superhero comics are more intelligent than their Japanese counterparts. I see two Japanese equivalents to Superhero comics, 1) are super sentai that reflect the more traditional superhero ideals and attire (Mask and spandex) and 2) Shounen jump shounen stories where the superhero premise of being granted powers randomly and deciding to fight for good (minus mask and spandex) and both of these are hilariously shallow with little character depth past "Generic boy with generic shounen boy traits gets powers, fights progressively stronger fighters while hardening the very generic resolve of protecting his Nakama" and the Super Sentai are stupidly cheesy. Watch the Kamen rider series and then read Punisher Max and tell me which is more mature.

    For intelligent superhero comics look at the Watchmen. That shit has complex themes about morality, vigilantism, community and immunity etc. That's just the tip of the ice burg. The only real Super Hero anime/manga Ive seen that's really impressed me on the level of those big comic names Ive mentioned is the Fate/Stay night series where Shiro and Archer's struggle of principles and they're variances in all three arcs were intelligent and well thought out.

    Seriously shut the fuck up. In b4 some weeaboo is pissed because I insulted lucky star and downvotes my post.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:12 19/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You know why I hate American comics? Because EVERY FUCKING GIRL is a fucking Mary Sue.
    They all have big boobs and gigantic hips, Angeline Jolie-lips and the same mid-length hair (just in different colours).

    Oh, and the same goes for the men. It's the same body, just with a different spandex-suit and haircut.

    And what good does it do that you compare it with freaking CHILD MANGA (Yes, I said it. Shounen series are aimed at YOUNG BOYS), when you should be using examples from seinen and josei?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:15 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sexy?Shit X D

    FAIL
    AA
    I I
    L L

    This is sexy!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:32 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Heh, I started reading the article thinking "poor things, it's a Japanese drawing for sure"..

    And I second the comment here: Sexy they can draw. Cute they can't.

    The drawing surely is beautiful but I prefer the nipponic style. And the juvenile superheroes part is so true although some of these characters are over 40 years old now lol... Not that Japanese animation doesn't focus on youngsters but at least they don't recycle their characters over and over.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    19:03 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    no wonder it's familiar to me.. she is also the one who draw the concept art on RF online MMORPG..

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:58 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    id say that ms marvel IS pretty damn sexy.

    but why bother looking at comic book superhero/heroines when i can simply look as playboy models?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:29 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Where's sexy? I even can't get turn on

    Lolz...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:45 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is a double trap gallery since:
    Thinking it is good => Because a Japanese peson draw it
    Thinking it is bad => Because it is a Western comic
    Either way, this whole gallery is just literally screaming:'American Art SUCKS!!!'

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:15 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    japanese anime was originally inspired by the art of walt disney

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    Comment by Anonymous
    14:38 05/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You should respect your elders...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:46 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not now that they've merged with Pixar. Pixar makes good movies. (I haven't watch the rat one, so i don't know about that)

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:35 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    japanese anime was originally inspired by the art of ukiyoe.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is all really shitty, rat-faced animu inspired- OHHHHHHH.

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    Comment by Kelvin
    18:28 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, at least american comic is well coloured compare to black and white manga.

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:24 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does not help much.

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    Comment by stillcode
    18:33 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For me cute > sexy.

    Certainly, American comics look beautiful from an artistic perspective. But when it comes to the attractive women, they're drawn to be sexy. It's just not my style.

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:26 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How can you call manly crotches on women beautiful?. Even without manly kintama & chimpo?
    No need to mention faces.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:35 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anime is much better

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:57 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anyone who follows the comics knows that ms marvel is a lying cheating slut.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:05 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    its neither hot nor cute.
    most imptly, its no moe n no emphasis on hymen
    amerikan comic epic fail....

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:11 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't get me wrong, I love Manga.

    Before I was into Manga, I was into american comic books. However...what I hate about American Comic books is that they change artists all the time in all of their series. It's never consistent, I mean, most of the time the stories are the problem because they go through like multiple writers and artists.

    For example: X-MEN it started around the 50s or 60s (I dunno)It's gone through so many writers through the decade that it is dojinshi-fest but where they are contract to follow many stories previous to them.
    Also Superman, Batman, Justice League, Avengers, Fantastic Four, Hulk, etc. falls into this mosh pit of storylines... x_x;;
    The Whole American Comic Book System is !@#$ed up. Great Ideas, but horrible follow through.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:58 20/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Honestly, the problem with american comics isn't the quality of the art. In fact the quality of comics and manga is unimportant. The problem is that american comics sacrifice storytelling for the art itself. The average american comic book is no more than 10 - 20 pages long, while a manga (in a volume) is more around 60 - 80 pages. Americans do everything in color which is too expensive to allow for good plot development. That's why many characters and stories (i.e. spiderman, wolverine, etc.) have been around for at least 3 decades while new characters and stories aren't created. Since manga is generally completely done in b&w, it's cheaper to make and deeper storylines can be incorporated into the art.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:00 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is why i primarily enjoy graphic novels. Most comics now a days move too fast and always try to one up the previous series by being more epic. Don't really take the time to flesh out characters anymore.

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:32 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Characters? What characters?. Aren`t they only surface?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:17 05/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Read Watchmen. It has good art, great characters, and an excellent story.

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    Comment by erochichi
    04:31 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    21:58 Good, but average tankobon counts 200 pages.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:37 21/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Average comic book runs for 22 pages, most manga chapters run about 18 pages.
    Color has little to do with plot development, comics are in color because they've been that way for over 70 years.
    New characters and stories are introduced all the time, a quick look on wikipedia will give you a breakdown of what new characters were introduced by the big two each year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2000s_comics_characters_debuts
    The art being "cheaper" to produce has little to do with how deep the story is. Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, etc, are in black and white, and I'd love to see someone claim they're deep and thought provoking.










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