12-Year-Old Boy Faces Life Sentence for Murder

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US courts have ruled that a boy accused of murdering his father’s pregnant girlfriend, whose brains were blown out with a shotgun the boy received as a Christmas present, must stand trial as an adult despite only being 11 when the crime was committed.

Prosecutors intend to charge him with first degree murder, carrying a possible life sentence without possibility of parole.

The 11-year-old boy lived on a Pennsylvania farm with his father, his father’s 26-year-old girlfriend and her children.

He is alleged to have become jealous of the attention the unborn child was likely to receive, having already been told to move out of his room to accommodate the baby.

Prosecutors allege he then decided to kill the mother, who was shot in the back of the head as she slept, with his shotgun.

He had apparently been given the “designed for children” 20-gauge shotgun as a Christmas present.

Both mother and the 8-month-old foetus expired as a result of the wound. The woman’s body was later discovered by her 4-year-old daughter, who alerted nearby adults.

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The boy is said to have hid the gun under a blanket to avoid being spotted by one of the victim’s daughters prior to the shooting, and to have later thrown the spent casing from the shot into a ditch on his way to school.

Prosecutors are adamant the boy, now 12, bears criminal responsibility for the crime as grave as any adult:

“This offence was an execution-style killing of a defenceless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine.”

He faces charges of one count of first degree murder and another of the “homicide” of an unborn child, carrying a possible life sentence, both of which he denies. He escapes the death penalty, which the state limits to those over 14.

A prosecution psychiatrist interrogating the child found he “minimised” the allegations against him, and the judge accepted these arguments in ruling that he would not be eligible for a juvenile trial as he was insufficiently remorseful for the crimes he is accused of (but denies committing).

The judge remarked that a refusal to admit the (unproven) allegations means the boy is unlikely to be fit for rehabilitation:

“Rehabilitation within the confines of the juvenile court jurisdiction [is] likely to be unsuccessful”

Pennsylvania law allows anyone over 10 charged with murder to be tried as an adult, though the boy’s legal defence argues that a child so young could not possibly be tried as such, and say they will appeal the ruling.

Lawyers also point out that denying him a juvenile trial because he refuses to admit to his crimes fully is likely to be a violation of his constitutional rights.

The mother of the murdered woman is vengefully dismissive about the legal fracas surrounding the case:

“There was no reason for uncertainty in our eyes. We’re pleased.”

The case raises issues wider than just the age of criminal responsibility, which varies wildly in the developed world and even between states – an 11-year-old boy is apparently fully responsible for his actions should he kill someone, but on the other hand unable to consent to sex or much else.

Media and courts also appear to have conveniently overlooked the issue of who allowed an 11-year-old boy to have his own shotgun.


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    Avatar of softbanker
    Comment by softbanker
    04:38 31/03/2010 # ! Good (+0.6)

    A shotgun for as a present to a 11 year old boy?!

    Comment by Blank
    04:40 31/03/2010 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yup, long live the US firearms policy.

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    Comment by Yoshii-kun
    04:50 31/03/2010 # ! Good (+0.6)

    God bless America and their right to defend themselves with 'legal' firearms...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:29 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I live in Texas, and yeah, it is true that you can own an anti-tank rifle.

    Down here everybody and their little sister owns at least one gun.

    Some people that I have met have better storage for their own guns then for their kids or much less themselves.

    However you have to apply for a special license for the "heavy duty" legal firearms.

    Even I am packing some heat when I go down to the grocery store to get a carton of milk.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Blame guns because you wouldn't go into a knife fight unless you have a gun just as you won't go on a murderous rampage if you only have a paper fan or a bat.

    Why aren't you going on a murderous rampage now? Because you are going to get hurt faster without a gun. The lack of a gun is a deterrent in it self.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:24 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    lol@anon
    "i had i 20gauge shotgun when i was ten...the difference was that my parants showed me how to work it and took me threw hunters safety before i was aloud to touch it. they also had trigger locks on all the guns in the house. this is cleary the fathers fault for not taking proper safety precautions"
    surely he knew? he just happened to sneak up on his father's girlfriend while the safety was off and the gun loaded...OOPS I ACCIDENTALLY SHOT HER IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD!?. BHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH
    YOU'RE A FKN DUMB KENT.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "you cant blame the gun though, any only morons who fully trust police would say anything against them."

    Statistically speaking people who owns/carries guns are substantially more likely to get hurt than people who don't. Only an idiot would trust their guns and their ability to use them to defend themselves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:38 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who cares how he killed her?

    Do you honestly think it was an accident? He pointed a GUN at her!

    If he thought the gun was a toy, then the father is at fault since he did not educate the boy about guns. You can't have people evade responsibility because they are a child. Kid plays with matches and starts a fire that burns down 10,000 houses. Are you saying the government is suppose to pick that up for ONE KID?! This child can't even make that money in his lifetime and he screwed that many families.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:44 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    .. he would have found something else.. his fathers gun, his brothers.. used a knife, a bat, a crochet needle.. etc...

    Fuck the Gun thing.. "He" Killed her.. pre meditated.. Give him the Chair for all I care..

    all around America people hunt.. teach there kids to hunt.. just becasue Your country outlaws it doesn't give ya'll the right to condemn us for hunting...

    They find something else outlaw guns.. they go to knives.. outlaw knives they go to bricks.. etc. etc. etc.....

    And with way things are goin.. I wish i had an arsenal... Fully Automatic Preferably Belt Fed!

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:07 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If the kid didn't have the gun he would've used something else. He's obviously fucked in his head. That doesn't make giving an 11 year old a shotgun any less stupid of course.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:07 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Only person you can fully trust is yourself"

    nothing new here

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:55 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    HITler! Nazi!... erm...Kanye West!
    Ok. That's it. Now, next in agenda...

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:57 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Umm... I'm not going on a murderous rampage because I don't have a gun, I am not going on a murderous rampage because I have a brain. What kind of logic is that?

    Actually I have access to a gun, my roommate has one and so did my last one. When never killed anyone or shot ourselves because we have brains. But if someone ever breaks in, I can shoot them as opposed to being shot, stabbed, or attacked in some other way.

    I would rather have my own defense. Police are worthless most of the time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:58 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i had i 20gauge shotgun when i was ten...the difference was that my parants showed me how to work it and took me threw hunters safety before i was aloud to touch it. they also had trigger locks on all the guns in the house. this is cleary the fathers fault for not taking proper safety precautions

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:33 01/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    09:57 31/03/2010
    Let me use another approach, if you have a gun you are more likely to think you'll succeed in robbing a store or commit a successful crime than if you only have a bat. Doesn't matter if the other guy has a gun or the chance of failure is death, you'll just shoot him faster and you'll obtain whatever goal you wanted. It's worth the risk since you trust in yourself and your ability to out shoot the store owner(or burglar in your house - you can ambush them like a mugger or robber can ambush their victims).

    A gun lowers the threshold on which a person would commit violence more so in the current media where we're realistically shown a gun could kill easier than with a knife or bat.

    If you want to go on a murderous rampage you'd think a lot more with a knife and bat and kill a lot less school students since you can kill them as easily as a single shot to the back of a head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:56 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In rural areas, that's quite reasonable. Good for practicing hunting. A lot of poor, rural Americans hunt to put extra meat on their tables. Free food!

    The problem was not locking up the shotgun so it couldn't be used without parental permission. Any family that gives a shotgun to an 11 year old, probably has several more rifles and shotguns around.

    The problem is that the kid is too young to understand the consequences of killing the girlfriend. You know, going to jail until he's 18/21/life. He's 11. Trying him as an adult is ridiculous. It isn't like he was 17 and 11 months. The kid is too young to work a non-entertainment job, enlist with the marines, buy land, drive a car legaly, etc.

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    Comment by Shanyy
    06:06 01/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    USA quality!

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    Comment by tyciol
    23:25 18/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't understand that latter statement anon.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:44 18/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "To hold a weapon is to accept that you will kill. To accept that you will kill, you accept that you will die"

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    Comment by BloodLegacy
    12:57 01/04/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    By Anti-Tank guns, I'm pretty sure he is refering to a 20mm anti-armor rifle, not necessarely an AT-4 or LAW. It isn't very difficult to get a tax stamp for a "destructive device" which is the category a 20mm rifle falls under. It is a much different case for "explosive ordinance" which is the category an RPG or plastic explosives fall under. Those are very difficult to get because you have to prove intent, meaning you have to have a damn good reason for needing it, such as owning a company that makes vehicle armor for the military or such. To get a 'destructive device' rifle, "I want it" is a good enough reason.

    I support a father that would give his son a shotgun at 12, so long as he is properly trained on safety and the child does not have free access to it. So this father is a failure.

    Either the parents completely failed at teaching the kid right and wrong, or the kid is a true sociopath which the parents should have realized a long time ago and kept any kind of dangerous object way the hell away from him.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:10 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You think your government will play nice just because you own guns? XD

    And lol @ burglar deturant. Have you people even looked at your crime rates comparing to other countries? What's the matter with your kind?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:24 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people who get hurt with guns are the kind of people who get completely wasted and drive a car.

    again to not blame the gun, blame the dip shit using it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:31 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i should also point out i don't own a gun, and im 2 other anons in this little reply chain.

    other country just dont get it.

    we won our country a few hundred years ago

    we had to fight for it, while other countrys rolled over and took it for hundreds of more years.

    having a gun is a right for a reason, because we had to fight a government. and they knew the day would come we many need to fight again.

    having guns is a deturant for the government just as much as it is a burglar deturant.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:23 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol, so many paranoid Americans here.

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    Comment by Smiling Jack
    22:52 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The gun argument aside, he obfuscated the shotgun from view, did the crime then attempted to dispose of the spent shell. That clearly shows premeditation. So he had the intent to kill whether he had the gun or not, he could have just as easily slit her throat with a kitchen knife and if anything he might have gotten away with that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:46 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The next logical point would be to check if he plays Violent Video Games. lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:45 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    some people are dumb enough to give a 11 year old a shotgun, and than tell him to get the fuck out of his room for a baby.

    you cant blame the gun though, any only morons who fully trust police would say anything against them.

    lets say you witness a murder, you testify because thats the "right thing to do". but because one cop fucked there paperwork, the whole case is thrown out of court.

    the killer knows your face, and most likely your name, and its not hard to look up anything about a person with only those details.

    now do you know that cops will do nothing unless a crime is committed? and this is the truth, look at stalkers for prime examples, even if you know there is a threat against you, cops will do nothing.

    so what do you trust more.

    1 the cops who do nothing to help you
    2 when you are dead they dont fuck the paper work again
    or
    3 a handgun, even a small 22 revolver

    im taking a guess its number 3.

    or lets say you see a gang shooting and the police know for a fact you saw it. you cant say you wont testify because they will put your ass in prison, and if you do, the gang members are likely to retaliate, and again police will not protect you from them unless a crime is committed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, did anyone actually blame gun? No, we're blaming the stupid fucking law that lets stupid fucking people give their stupid fucking kids guns to kill themselves and others with. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, SO STOP FUCKING ENCOURAGING THEM!

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    Comment by Tex_Arcana
    07:12 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What?!? Antitank weapons? I think I'd have heard.

    First of all, firearms legislation on that scale is usually Federal. Otherwise there'd be a brisk trade in AT4-smuggling.

    Most likely someone got it confused with a .50 rifle, which could maybe penetrate a civilian car. Defeating modern armor plate requires either HEAT ammo (so not legal) or shaped charges, like you said.

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    Comment by ayu
    07:04 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If I remember it right Texas even allows for Anti-Tank weapons.

    Imagine a kid wielding an AT4 or those old M72 LAWs. or maybe even an RPG-7 xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:03 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah blame guns. Not the people that use them with no common sense. The guns are living sentient beings. They are possessing the minds of stupid people in order to cause mayhem and destruction. I swear some of you people are just idiots.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:26 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Honestly, I'd far rather be able to own a gun, and therefore protect myself, than live in a place such as England where they are illegal; Criminals will still have the damn things, if they have them I want one to protect myself.

    Just check crime rates, see if it's higher where guns are controlled vs where they are not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:29 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    if we did that france, venizeula and countless other god awful countries would be radioactive dust.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:04 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "More "peaceful" unarmed citizens have been slaughtered by their own governments then will ever be killed by homicide."

    Um, anyone in America who decides to rise up against their government gets called a traitor and a terrorist and locked up/killed. I love the hypocrisy, you keep all your guns to protect yourself from the evil government, but you beat down anyone who speaks out against it for being anti-american...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:20 19/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love how all the ignorant idiots blame it on firearms and/or US firearm policies.

    Firearms ARE controlled in the US. Not just anyone can get them. You have to go through a background check to buy a firearms among other restrictions.

    It is a WHOLE different story if the parents are IDIOTS. So since when did we start letting the government make OUR decisions? It is the parents responsibility for their own kids. The father in this case should have his RIGHTS stripped from him and never allowed to own firearms again...or anything dangerous...obviously he is irresponsible.

    Those that do not live in the USA....you guys got your rights stripped long ago and have become accustomed to the big brother mentality. In other words sheep.

    I happen to enjoy my FUNDAMENTAL rights living in the USA. Even though the USA is also heading in the big brother mentality...boy am i glad i would be dead by the time it has progressed far enough like other super restrictive countries...example England.

    The topic of firearms in the USA is so complex and there are so many examples i can write a whole essay about it...which obviously i will refrain from here.

    Which i want to also mention there are other European countries that are much more laxed about their firearm laws than the USA. Dont blame firearms....blame it on the stupidly high percentage of idiots in the USA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:02 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    member548 has it right you need it to protect yourself from the government and criminals. I have been around guns for a very long time and never had one accidentally go off. its simple one dont point it at someone unless you intend to kill them and two if your cleaning it make sure its empty with a visual inspection three keep em locked up away from others.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:34 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    America here. We don't all have guns. Not all criminals have guns either. Seriously, do you think that when someone is born in America they give him a gun after they cut the umbilical cord?

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    Comment by Smiling Jack
    22:58 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't forget Ted Bundy, killed and raped over 26 women and did it without a gun... or violent video games. Monsters and evil will always find a way to intentionally kill or harm others regardless of whether or not a gun is involved.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:51 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sure criminals might still have them, but at a guess (I repeat a guess). The criminals that would have them would be using them as a threat, not to kill people.

    I'd say you're probably more likely to get shot if an unstable person has a gun lying around the house, then because organised criminals want to rob something.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:51 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yet we dont have 12 year olds killing people with guns do we?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:52 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    at least we dont have 12 year olds killing people with guns do we?

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    Comment by Tex_Arcana
    05:32 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But lots of British criminals are using knives now. So if they just ban the knives too, everything will be fine!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:41 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They ARE higher where guns aren't controlled. In fact, you're much more likely to shoot yourself or a family members (like this case) than a criminal if you own one.

    That said, although I've always found the argument for individual gun ownership being guaranteed in the 2nd amendment extremely tenuous at best, it's not entirely without merit to allow gun ownership, but it has to be controlled or else you get a lot of stupid shit like this happening.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Living in a European country myself, I have to say that most criminals actually don't have a firearm.

    It's a common misconception in USA I think, because you are so used to the availability of firearms you think that everyone can get them if they want to, but most "small fry" criminals over here if they use a weapon at all use a knife to threaten people with. The trouble and costs involved getting a illegal gun is just to high.

    Real actual firearms are mostly seen in more serious crime like bank/security transport robberies and similar crime, which also is quite uncommon, probably partially due to it being rather hard to get a hold of real serious firearms.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hahaha... plenty of countries have lower crime rates and a death sentence for anyone found with a firearm. Plenty.

    Admit it. Allowing guns with the argument that it is for personal safety is just retarded. If no one is allowed firearms under any conditions at all, it can only be a good thing. Sure people can still kill each other millions of other ways, but at least they can walk into a shopping mall, school, etc and shoot tens of people before getting arrested.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:44 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No you have kids raping or kidnapping other kids to torture AND then kill them.

    http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/10/30/10-year-olds-gang-rape-8-year-old-girl-in-playground/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:04 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fucking English trashholes should be quiet. You have some of the worst slums in the civilised world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:54 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No wonder criminals are loaded over there, even kids can get their own personalized gun.

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    Comment by Member548
    06:49 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    More "peaceful" unarmed citizens have been slaughtered by their own governments then will ever be killed by homicide.

    I know... I know... "That can't happen here."

    hahaha

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:46 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, because it's not like if a person plans to execute someone and they don't have a gun that they'll just say "oh darn, I lack a firearm, I guess I won't kill this person after all!"

    No, the kid would have just gotten a knife from the kitchen and stabbed her, or any number of other methods of killing someone that are readily accessible in a household.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:52 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    shhhhh,video games are at fault,you know it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Death Sentence on him would be a lot better than LIFE sentence!

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    Comment by celcius_01
    01:58 01/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @soyokaze

    Bricking is easier with PSPs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:32 01/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    A, the worthless "I can defend myself" argument.

    You paranoid pricks. You have the same probability of being killed by someone who "breaks in" (who anyway? Why not live in a country where there's nobody who'd "break in") as someone who doesn't own a gun.

    It's pure luck if you survive or not. Whether you shoot someone who "breaks ins" is rather irrelevant, it basically just makes you a killer too.

    I'd rather live in a safe country where you dont even need to fear someone "breaking in", which just statistically happen to be the countries that do not have such liberal gun policies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:00 19/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol....then enjoy living in your beautiful country that does not give you a fundamental right to defend yourself.

    Though i have to wonder what country that must be....you must be an angel thats sitting in your computer from heaven.....safe from all harm.

    99.9 percent of the countries must suck to live in then....and we should all flock to the .1 percent of countries in earth that are a safe paradise...if they exist.

    OR your probably an idiot whos a sheltered lil boy.

    All you spew is garbage and are pushing your own pathetic values onto other people.

    REGARDLESS whether the boy killed with a shotgun, it does not matter. He would have killed the girlfriend with a knife if he did not have access to a firearm. Im pretty sure the courts thinking must be the same....thats why they will trial him as an adult. They dont want psychos out in the streets.

    Please step out of your parents basement.....welcome to the real world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:32 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't know if Pennsylvania's death row is like the other states' but he'll probably be an adult by the time they actually get to executing him.

    Comment by soyokaze
    08:25 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @06:31
    You can always brick someone with XBox.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:31 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If the video game is heavy and sharp enough, it can be used like a weapon, a white weapon, or a black one.

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    Comment by Kortaku
    05:10 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Indeed, the right to bear arms, whether fuzzy or steel blued!

    *Though maybe stricter regulations?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:02 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Trust me, we would do away with it if half of our nation wasn't completely insane.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually 90% went insane already.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:36 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Only half?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:57 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You do understand since that boy hates her so much. Even without the shotgun he'd still kill her with something else, right? Gun isn't really a factor in this case.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:26 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If he's bent on killing her. It won't be just 1 single knife stab into her skull, you can count on that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:42 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And the chances of her surviving that would be higher.
    A knife to the skull? She may be brain dead but there's a possibility of the baby living.

    Or she might be a Counter Strike Player.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:38 01/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Better just blow his brain up with his own 20-gauge shotgun, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:39 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Designed for children only in the meaning that it uses 20-gauge which means a lighter recoil for a smaller individual to handle. There are even smaller shotgun gauges though. In any case, hunting with your kids by your side is big in some parts of the country.

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    Comment by viewtifu1
    15:57 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    a knife is way harder to kill ppl with. stabbing someone in the scull will take a whole lot of force and a sharp knife. plus its a lot harder to execute mentally. the pull of a trigger isnt heavy enough especially with "designed for children" shotgun. why are shotguns designed for children anyway?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:23 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    07:03 31/03/2010 - You obviously need to understand more of what people say, they're not blaming guns, they're blaming the person who gave the kid a fucking gun you moron.

    As for this case, it's simply stupid, the kid was being neglected and was given a shotgun by an irresponsible adult who was the one who had no common sense, mind that you certain Anon.
    Man, growing up in prison till you die from the age of 12...that's fucking harsh, no education, no proper growing environment, etc... I mean, 10 - 20 years in prison could really do the trick, but still, life sentence is...too much.

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    Comment by rikarika
    08:10 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    US firearm policy is fine. This situation would have been prevented if the mother and the fetus had guns too.

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    Comment by Hyra911
    13:34 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There is no need to feel strange about that, next time they will give nuclear buttons to kids as they birthday present.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:31 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That was my first gift ever. And I was taught how to use it and how not to use it. No big deal. If you're set on killing, as this kid obviously was, you don't need a gun.

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    Comment by BlaqCat
    12:41 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This kids nitwit father should be on trial. And quick, before some headline seeking psych decides to use the "video game violence" claim.

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    Comment by BlaqCat
    12:39 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Stupidity amongst backwards thinking nra nuts will always lead to idiotic bullshit like this. Some bullshit psychiatrist will probably go and blame it on a a fucking video game instead of this kids nitwit father.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:13 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    NRA Nuts would have kept the kid's shotgun locked up with his firearms, and not let the kid have a letahl weapon unsupervised.

    Poor NRA freaks are funny--- as they drive old shit box cars or trucks, live in a house desperately in need of work, and have many expensive gun locker cabinents stocked full of rifles and shotguns.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:58 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So many fking questions to ask

    1) why does a 11 year have a shotgun for a gift?

    2) “Rehabilitation within the confines of the juvenile court jurisdiction [is] likely to be unsuccessful”

    WTF kind of fucking statement is that? He did terrible shit, but he is still a fucking kid. Kids are easier to fucking rehabilitate then adults fucking retard.

    To me it sounds like a fucking dumbass hick town with a fucked up hick family with a dumbass 2 cent judge.

    My fellow hick ass Americans make me rage. It is like a whole different country you when go to fucking hick country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:07 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    kids can be psychopaths too. and go jump off a cliff its the best way to get outta here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:27 18/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "it is like a whole different country "

    What most people fail to understand is the United States of America, is exactly that, a bunch of *States*....as in COUNTRIES.

    Too many people are used to thinking of the USA as one big ugly monster headed by the Federal Government.

    In reality it's fifty little ugly monsters constantly bribed and blackmailed by the Federal Government into compliance. (by threatening to withhold federal tax dollars).

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    Comment by Miroku74
    05:32 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    He had apparently been given the “designed for children” 20-gauge shotgun as a Christmas present.

    So, a shotgun so easy to use a child could commit murder? How nice. <_<

    *makes a note of what to not get his nephew for Christmas in the years to come.*

    The other inanity I noticed is that they're charging him as an adult here. What's this? Too young to knock boots, but old enough to be charged as an adult for murder? Huh.

    And people wonder why I'm so cynical of government.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:21 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "it was for a deer" for teh win

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:05 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Our government is thankfully based on punishment not rehabilitation.

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    Comment by Artefact
    18:57 31/03/2010 # ! Questionable

    Explains why the US prison population is in per capita terms the highest in the world?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:59 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love how the Government is so adamant that youths can't understand the ramifications of their actions; or are incapable of planing murder, theft, ect.

    Saying shit like, they can't understand the consequences of sex or violence; sure they can, and if they can't, then owell neither can some adults, everybody's different. Most youths are alot more mature than they are given credit for.

    Hell, they should be tried as adults when they commit murder and they should be able to consent to whatever they want. Especially if they are already in their teens, hell nothing changes on the day you turn eighteen.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:17 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to wonder. He has been tried as an adult, so the government says he understands like an adult. Does that mean it would be legal for him to have sex like an adult?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:36 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh come on, you should know the US. Ultra-violence is okay, but show a bit of tit and the fiery rain of righteous justice shall be cast down upon thee.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:18 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, this kind of 'ultra-violence' is not okay in the slightest, and I have to say would NOT HAVE HAPPENED if the kid had been taught correctly that you NEVER kill another person or physically injure another person unless they try to do that to you first!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:29 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "if the kid had been taught correctly that you NEVER kill another person or physically injure another person unless they try to do that to you first!"

    He must have felt the baby murderous intent then.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The gun should have been LOCKED UP when not in use.

    Teaching the kid safety just means he's been TOLD not to point the shotgun at things/people he doesn't want to harm. It is clear he wanted to harm this woman and her child.

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    Comment by Artefact
    18:55 31/03/2010 # ! Transparent

    Because nobody taught that would ever harm another human...

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:45 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Haven't you heard of hunting? It was most likely intended for deer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:08 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Deer can be dangerous. Especially in rutting season, when sick, or when injured. Every year, about a dozen hunters will be killed by deer.

    Every year, another dozen humans WHO ARE NOT HUNTERS will get killed by deer who attack them.

    Finally, a couple of hundred humans will die or be critically injured because of deer/car collisions.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:48 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who cares if it was for hunting or not.
    It was a frigging shotgun for a 11/12 year old and obviously it worked on humans.

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    Comment by Artefact

    Lucky he had that handy to protect himself from any vicious deer which might wander into his bedroom.

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    Comment by Miroku74
    07:02 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, Anon.... I'd say he'd used it for the sole purpose of shooting a dear, then. <_<

    Better schooling might've cleared up this little misunderstanding.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:52 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Santa Claus didn't think it through, did he?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:10 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    perhaps it got mixed up when the elf labeling the package

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:26 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thanks Santa! You always give the BEST presents!

    Comment by Pyrolight
    04:48 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    One designed for kids no less...

    One can only hope the guards at the prison he is in put him in a cell with the biggest baddest mother fucker in the prison. Spending the rest of his life as a punk wouldn't be a fitting punishment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:29 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    dude... the biggest baddest mother fucker in the prison would love the kid... and adopt him as his own,

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:04 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Idiots...fools...If anyone touched that kid before the late teens the rest of the prisoners would bash there face in. ever wonder why pedos are separated from the general pop? cause the general pop would murder them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:16 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry, but that isn't true in the slightest. The fact is that pedosexuals are separated from the general population NOT because they are more likely to be killed, but to head off arguments.

    Namely, that the prisoners have realized that the people who bash on pedosexuals the most in prison? Are most likely child forcible rapists/murderers themselves!

    That's coming straight from one of my friends who works as a corrections officer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:05 02/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You seperate the pedosexuals cause they are the bottom wrung. Their victims are children--- so they are cowards. They would get used and abused by the general populace until they are very bad off or just dead.

    Prison heiarchy runs from the baddest of baddest asses down to the putzs. Biggest predators on top.

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    Comment by celcius_01
    05:34 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You kidding? The shoutakon inmates will have the time of their live when the kid got inside. It's like giving a loli to pedobear.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:38 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The biggest baddest mother fucker in the prison would be in the kid himself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:25 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    dude... the biggest baddest mother fucker in the prison would be the kid himself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:20 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shotas need to be taught early in life.

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    Comment by euheretic
    05:04 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Welcome to USA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    better than worthless Canada where the boy will be released after a year and go on to kill more people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:56 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    stupid fucking hicks

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:06 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I was given a Pellet Rifle when I was 6 but my parents wouldn't let me use it unless they were around. They kept it locked up with my Dad's guns till I was double digits, then they let me keep it.

    When I was ten my old man took me into the woods and let me shoot his guns, but then again I was supervised and he kept those things under lock and key.

    But I did shoot a kid in the back with my Pellet Rifle once when he refused to get the fuck out of my yard (I really didn't like that kid, he came over and was riding his bike around in my yard; I told him to leave over and over yet he wouldn't, so I shot him). Ahh that was classic and totally worth the grounding... Got to keep the gun too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:35 31/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Frankly I am shocked. not by that story, but rather by the fact that it doesn't shock me anymore... wtf?











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