Top 10 Signs a Guy is a Loser


Younger Japanese women surveyed as to what traits they consider warning signs that a man is unsuitable dating material and has no girlfriend yield up a potentially helpful list of things an unpopular man might wish to pretend to avoid doing.

The ranking:

1. He splits the cost of a meal evenly down to the last yen

2. He always speaks or acts negatively

3. He spits on the ground

4. He only talks about himself

5. His clothing is unkempt

6. He throws his cigarette butts away in any old place

7. He doesn’t actively converse, instead just waiting for questions from others

8. He makes blatant dirty jokes

9. He pretends to know everything

10. When serving meals he only thinks about getting his own portion

So it seems a clean, well mannered man who spends money like water (on his lady friend) is the ideal type – a truly surprising revelation.

Refer also to similar rankings on such crucial topics as how best to chat a girl up on a first date for complementary information.

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    Comment by savantique
    18:12 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    ...I would just like to point out that getting laid doesn't make you any less of a loser if you were considered one prior to getting any. The fact that you got any at all says nothing about the circumstances between the two people in the first place. Tiger Woods gets it regularly, yet he's no better than any dude one could pick up on the street after his exploits came to light.

    A person's character is the most important thing, not their income or prestige (or lack thereof). If you really have to evaluate a person's overall worth based on completely arbitrary, trivial things, that says a lot more about you than it does about the other person.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    18:40 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Then what makes for a good character?

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    Comment by savantique
    01:33 25/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why ask what should be obvious? Someone who's conscientious, open minded, faithful, honest, nurturing - less than half of this list even challenge these virtues and still aren't a guarantee.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:01 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Great comment!

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:07 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So a guy who does none of these is automatically a winner, or less of a loser? These lists are bullshit and mean absolutely nothing.

    What it'll come down to is what has held true in society for generations: money, looks, personality. Simple basics like these things are the ones that stand the test of time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:00 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Now I want to go to Japan...

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    Comment by savantique
    18:16 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...and before I forget: I would love to see a woman come up with a top ten list of things that make a woman a loser.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:03 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol, may I? Though I focused on more serious stuff then the superficial ones:

    1. Expecting the man to pay, all/most of the time.

    You can't expect respect if you're basically whoring yourself for sandwiches. Once in a while, special occasions - fine. But don't expect a walking meal ticket.

    2. Expecting money/expensive presents.

    I fucking hate these bitches - they tarnish women's reputation in general. You can't "expect" stuff and have any expectations yourself. You're basically a whore.

    3. Talking intimate details about your boyfriend with friends/internet.

    Sadly, I've been a witness to this and I find it appauling and disgusting. And sadly, the stuff they share is presented in a mocking tone.

    4. Using sexual manipulation to pussify a man.

    Sadly again, I see guys falling for this ALL the TIME. Decent blokes ending up wrapped around the fingers of some bitch. I see them slowly getting smaller, and more emasculated, as the bitch ends up governing the dudes' lives.

    5. Having NO hobbies or interests whatsoever.

    Most guys don't seem to care about this, but trust me, they'll only end up expecting you to entertain their vapid little heads 24/7 - huge hassle.

    6. Wears tons of make-up, and tons of extensions.

    Do you really want to wake up and see a totally different person? And by different, I mean ugly.

    7. Debbie downer

    8. Bad hygiene.

    9. Thinks she knows everything.

    10. (personal pet peeve - sociopath alert) Acts mean to children, old people, animals, other women.

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    Comment by savantique
    01:34 25/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Heh, we need to talk.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:17 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to agree with this. Allow me to explain why:

    1. Gives impression of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder)

    2. Obviously its annoying. No one wants a frequent nagger.

    3. Gross slob.

    4. Ego issues. Most ronery people don't notice that this is actually bad since a lot of them think it's ok from some anime they see i.e. everything revolves around the main character. You have to learn to go with the crowd and not expect them to revolve around you.

    5. Slob and possible signs of laziness.

    6. I think this depends on the country.

    7. The other person gets turned off because they get the impression that you're not interested or you're boring them.

    8. Pervert and sometimes ego issues. Common to some otaku who make up for their lack of female contact by acting like a sex expert. They should learn that normal well rounded people do not "kiss and tell".

    9. Again ego issues.

    10. Selfish.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:16 26/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    1. Agreed, but I don't see why that should make the guy less of a man. After all, he's the one who has to live with a problematic disorder and still make his life work somehow.

    2. I actually don't even know what "acting negatively" means... But I do know I'm very good at pointing out why some things/ideas are bad. Does that mean criticizing things that are bad, or the parts of them that are bad, is a no-no?

    3. While I agree that it's gross to spit, I disagree with the "slob" thing; to me it's an option between Spitting or Clearing my throat of the same mucus time and time again every 2nd minute until I've spitted it out. Imo, the latter is by far the grosser option.

    4. True enough, though I've noticed that some girls act as if the boy only talk about himself as soon as the boy breaks away from them talking about the girl's day and friends and blah, blah, blah, and starts talking about his own day and friends.

    5. You're a very judgemental person, aren't you? Me, I keep my clothes unkempt because that's what I feel comfortable with. And feeling comfortable with oneself is, as far as I'm concerned, far more important then meeting the rest of the world's approval.

    6. First of all, why do I get the feeling that you throw cigarette butts and possibly other trash in any old place? Secondly, doesn't your statement here go equally much for almost all of the points on the list? Thirdly, I'd call the person who does this a slob.

    7. They're free to their own impressions, but I prefer listening rather than talking. It's an effective way of getting to know people.

    8. Or maybe, just maybe, the guy has that kinda sense of humor, hm? ...I know many girls who like dirty jokes and tells them, too, even though they sometimes hypocritically reprimand the guys when they make the jokes.

    9. No argument here.

    10. Or insecure, or possibly overly considerate. I don't know how to pour up on someone else's plate. I don't know if I should put the different stuff separately on the plate or just put it up as one big heap. I also don't know how much the person I'm serving wants, what they'll drink and/or if they don't like the food. (Some people eat despite not liking it, simply because it's rude to leave food on the plate, and in the event of such cases, I prefer to let them decide if they'll just have a taste first.)

    Aaanyway... I guess I'm a loser... Meh, no biggie, I'll just find a flat chested girl, and together we'll love each others' "flaws".

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:49 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    6. He throws his cigarette butts away in any old place

    Cigarette butts don't really matter to us in the west but yeah I'd have to get used to not throwing my butts everywhere if I went there.

    10. When serving meals he only thinks about getting his own portion

    And hey well, I am a skinny yet hungry man. I serve others first of course, but the biggest serving is usually mine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:47 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't say West, say America, in most places in Europe, littering is frowned upon. I've seen people carry keychain little box ashtrays, so they wouldn't throw their butts all over the place. It's quite civilised really.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:01 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn im 5 out of 10... half loser half legit!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:09 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shit.......I Got #2 & #8
    Does that mean I'm a loser? :(

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    Comment by Actar
    20:29 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank the lord I'm guilty of none of them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:56 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nothing wrong with that list.

    I've noticed in the comments here there's a lot of "taking things the wrong way" and bitterness based on that.

    Item #1 doesn't mean "men pay for everything". It means, "when 'going Dutch' [each party paying for their own], don't be super-anal about precision." "Okay, honey, you need to put in seven more cents." just doesn't fly.

    I thought the 'loser' aspect was well-illustrated in the photos.

    * Computers with the cases off
    * Cluttered and disorganized
    * Dakimura
    * Ero-figurines

    There were some good-looking meals, though the low-cal sweetener was a laugh. Get off your otaku ass and exercise!

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    Comment by savantique
    01:20 25/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You want to talk about other people taking this list the wrong way, but you're asserting your own interpretation of what something on that list meant. If anything, this seems like a convenient scapegoat to bash an entire demographic you know nothing about because you yourself are bitter. Did otaku call you ugly or something? And of all the things you've taken notice of in those photos, I can't for the life of me understand how a computer with its case detached is relevant.

    A few things such as the nasty habit of spitting should be a common sense turnoff, but that is not something that should determine a person's value. You can dislike the way a person looks, the way they dress, the kind of music they're into, etc; but there is so much more to a person than certain mannerisms which are, quite frankly, too oversimplified and too far-reaching for its own good. I for one would loathe to date someone with as toxic an attitude such as yours.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:09 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    can't agree with you more savantique, no matter how many otaku bashings i see, i'll never understand why. So what if the person in the picture is an otaku, are you him/her? if not, stop concerning yourself with what he/she does. Not everyone is the same, its called diversity, get used to it.

    computer with cases off - maybe they are fixing it? cause you know, computers are really popular these days and everyone is getting into them >_>.

    cluttered and disorganized - everyone is cluttered and disorganized at times, to deny that means your a liar, cause at some point in your life, you wont find something cause you put it elsewhere, or you put things in a storage shed ( thats considered cluttering things together)

    ero figurines - its the persons taste, its the same thing as you looking at porn, get over yourself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:21 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    damm im more of a loser then i thought

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:29 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon is not infected by all those 10 things, so Anon is the perfect man in Japan? Hell yeah!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:13 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >"who spends money like water"

    Prejudice to the poor, eh...?

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    Comment by RoninJinobi
    16:10 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so basically...unless we put the pussy on a pedestal we're considered losers...?

    I don't think so japan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:23 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3/10 is me...woo

    13:22 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most of these are understandable.

    If you do 3. and 6. you're slob.

    1. A penny pincher but this same type of person also could be an accountant which is a good thing esp during tax time.
    I tried to avoid any ethnic jokes here.

    4. Is understandable someone self absorbed can be annoying for either sex.

    5. If it means cloths are put away messily that's most men.

    7. Nothing wrong with being quiet or shy some girls like the strong silent type.

    8. Most women are turned off by crude jokes.

    9. nobody likes a know it all.

    10 People do make mistakes it's only a bad thing if it happens often.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:16 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


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    Comment by Sarkazmo
    13:43 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And again it comes down to money... All these Japanese seem to really care about is money when it comes to relationships. I don't play that game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:46 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can't stand people who spit all over the place. It's disgusting.

    I only fit under 7, so I guess I'm not so much of a loser... right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:57 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    now do one that points out the bad traits of every girl. i'm sure thare are things that will make all the girls sound like total losers!

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    Comment by celcius_01
    14:59 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Really? That's it? I'm a bit surprised!
    As this list came from Japan, i honestly expected that it contains things like:
    Talks constantly about Sengoku Nadeko, his room is filled with figures, want his GF to end her sentences with Nya~, etc.

    It's kinda common,imo. Heck, i don't have all those traits up there, i bet if i go to japan later my chance to score is like 342%!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:03 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    wtf ? seriously how can some1 be a loser over these things ?
    seriously >?
    who ever made this is a damn stupid idiot

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    Comment by Anonymous
    15:03 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well from what I see 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 10 could be just someone who has suffered a few heavy impacts to the head and has some type of brain damage and possibly always a headache that never goes away because of it. 1 and 8 = ArseHole, 9 well I don't know.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:02 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    weones qls enfermos

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:19 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So if we are not any of those things does that mean we get a super model girl, I doubt it so why waste the time trying to be what your not if so few girls are hot enough to make it a good investment.

    I will stick to been self centered and egotistical thank you very much.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:04 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    except for spitting i have all those traits.

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    Comment by HarvestAngel
    15:25 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    #4... damn that explains alot. I thought it was so interesting too! u.u

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:51 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    For me, it's only the first two that I would dislike in a guy. The rest are okay.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:05 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Is it bad that I know people who posses pretty much all of these traits?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well if ur condition is as bad as offering meals to ur computer than dats real bad

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:58 25/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    all i can say is i'll try ironing my clothes more often everything else shouldnt be that big of a deal just dont do it wit girls you want to date or shag thats all

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:21 25/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This completely makes sense in all honesty.
    Everything expresses negative character traits, self-centeredness, bad manners, ignorance, pedantism...
    The point is, these are things women shouldn't do either :D
    (and admittedly, under friends, we only split the bill down to the last cent when the waitress/barkeeper/whoever does it for us, else we round it)

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:17 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    According to this list I'm the coolest guy on earth.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:29 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOVE THE WAY LIKE 9/10 COMMENTS IS A GUY, AND PISSED! LOL look, unless u honestly fit this discription my 7 or more, havent been laid in yrs and are completely broke...ur probably not a total loser...if u do then gudd luck converting to hundi and hoping to get reincarnated to anything higher than a cockroach or fatguuy analplug lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:35 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ehh? having money is a gudd thing? go figure...gudd thing im well payed! lol my mommy and pappi never gave me much so i kinda had to work and earn it...unlike these youngsters, and im only 19 fuckyeah!

    and please rate me down...u know ur broke ass wants to lol, lmao, LMFBO, ROFLMBFBBO*5!!! HAHAHAHA


    Comment by Anonymous
    00:00 27/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    1. He splits the cost of a meal evenly down to the last yen

    I pay for my food, no one else's. Chivalry died years ago. Get over it.

    2. He always speaks or acts negatively

    No I fucking do not!

    3. He spits on the ground

    The alternative is in the face of my choose honey.

    4. He only talks about himself

    I'm my favourite topic of discussion.

    5. His clothing is unkempt

    So what. I get judged by how much money I make, not by how I look.

    6. He throws his cigarette butts away in any old place

    See the spitting line.

    7. He doesn’t actively converse, instead just waiting for questions from others

    Girls, that's a dead giveaway that you have the personality of furniture.

    8. He makes blatant dirty jokes

    Dirty jokes are funniest.

    9. He pretends to know everything

    I'm not pretending. I do know everything.

    10. When serving meals he only thinks about getting his own portion

    Cuz I eat when I'm hungry, stupid. Whether you eat or not doesn't mean a thing to me.

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    23:47 02/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I could be guilty of 7 because I think negative so the minor things are positive

    number 5 is also debatable my clothing is always clean and ironed but I always dress casual (ties, suits, blazers and button shirts make me feel like a stiff)

    and number seven; well if I dont share the same interests, have something relative to the conversation or can relate to the topic then off course I wont actively converse

    aside from these three I'm cool!

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:46 13/09/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    From experience 2 and 7 are already a big turn-off. The rest is just being rude and is way more bad than 2 and 7.

    On your first weeks either one of you should be positive enough to keep the communication going. Once that's is done one could go honest with each other and find out if you're not for each other.

    Relationships = good communication with each other. Right?

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    Comment by Sandalphon
    14:22 27/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can't believe I almost cleared that list except for No.5 =|

    In my defense, I actually do my own laundry and iron my shirts and trousers myself

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    Comment by Sandalphon
    14:29 27/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    EDIT: Also No.7 makes me think it's more her issue than his, she's just not interesting to get to know, or doesn't make herself seem interesting.

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