Videogames “More Satanic Than Ever”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Feb 27, 2010 04:00 JST
- Tags: Bizarre, Censorship, Christianity, Mass Media, Philadelphia, Religion, RPG, USA
Even the most hard-core gamers are sounding the alarm about the rise in the number of satanically-themed video games that target God and Christianity, invite players to make pacts with the devil, and elevate Satan to hero status.
“This has been going on for the last 10 years, but especially in the most recent games,” said Lance Christian, 32, of Alton, Illinois who has been an avid gamer for most of his life.
For instance, in one game, players kill the Archangels Michael, Gabriel and Raphael before going on to destroy God. Another game requires players to sell their soul to the devil and rewards them for “killing unbaptized infants.”
All of these games seem to have one central theme – God is the enemy and the devil is the hero. And they do nothing to hide it. One game guide glibly states: “The Judeo-Christian God is portrayed as the prominent villain in the series . . . “
“This is just the tip of the iceberg in what I have discovered,” Mr. Christian said. “I feel that the devil has a new tool to work with in this age of technology, and the majority of adults in a position of responsibility are left in the dark.”
His list of the most egregious games includes:
• Tecmo’s Deception: Invitation To Darkness (Playstation) – Players “make an unholy pact and sell their soul to Satan in exchange for power” with the object of the game being to ensure the resurrection of Satan and obtain his power. (This game is rated “T” for teens.)
• Nocturne (Playstation 2): A game in which the hero (a demon) destroys the three Archangels St. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, then goes on to destroy God.
• Shadow Hearts (Playstation 2): The hero uses his power to intercept and destroy God and “save the world.” (Some games in this series are rated “T”.)
• Dragon’s Age Origins (Playstation 3/Xbox 360): The game revolves around the story of God going mad and cursing the world. A witch attacks believers and players can “have sex” with her in a pagan act called “blood magic” so she can “give birth to a god.” Another scenario allows players to have sex with a demon in exchange for a boy’s soul.
Other games with satanic themes are Dante’s Inferno, Guitar Hero, Devil Summoner, Koudelka, Trapt, Bayonetta, and Darksiders.
Game publishers are cashing in on the satanic, anti-Catholic and the general anti-religion content themes and using them as a draw for buyers. For instance, Electronic Arts launched a catchy ad campaign to sell its new hell-inspired game, Dante’s Inferno.
Buyers interested in the game were greeted at the site by a phony new game called, “Mass: We Pray.” When they clicked on the link, they were declared a heretic and re-routed to Dante’s Inferno. After ordering, fans were offered a “Number of the Beast” discount of $6.66. The same game was advertised during the Super Bowl with the teaser, “Hell awaits.”
Game publishers such as Electronic Arts and Midway Games have not responded to The Bulletin’s requests for comment.
Even though most of these videos are rated by the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) as “M” for mature audiences, many are rated “T” for teens. But regardless of the ratings, they can easily fall into the hands of children from older siblings or parents, Mr. Christian says, and points to a recent YouTube video of an eight year-old playing a popular adult Satanic-themed game.
Paul Bury, editor of Family Friendly Gaming said the envelope is definitely being pushed with these games. “Role playing games (RPGs) have progressively gotten worse over the years,” he said. “It is difficult to find a role playing game that is not ‘T’. . . . There have been some ‘M’ rated ones where all kinds of decadence is allowed.”
Via The Bulletin, “Philadephia’s Family Newspaper.”
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for the love of god...when will they stop bashing video games?
They just rage at everything because they want to get noticed.
Christian God and Devil are no different than gods and demons of other religions whose names have been used countless times for the roles of heroes/villains of video games.
*They just rage at everything because they want to get noticed.*
^this
every time there is no real crimes to talk about, they bash videogames.
Well, that's been the typical practice for a large amount of the modern age. It's a shame we humans can't be smarter than that.... >_>
And Lolis...
Yeah, when you are playing videogames you are not boring anyone, satanic are those who don't want the others to have fun.
My favorite part is that only a few of these games are relevant today. Koudelka? That's an obscure PS1 RPG - they must be REALLY reaching.
"RAGE RAGE NOT GETTIN SEX RAGE RAGE BLAME THE GAME RAGE RAGE"
we are getting blamed for almost everything. otaku culture i mean. from loli manga and now videogames
this is GOD'S TRIAL FOR US!!!
Well we are members of the deviant.
Religion was created y man to believe in when man could no longer believe in himself. Other then that, whats wrong to have satanic themes in games? Its a game after all, not the real world.
wait but in guitar hero you defeat the devil.
"Yeah, when you are playing videogames you are not boring anyone, satanic are those who don't want the others to have fun."
Well, a frequent definition of a fundamentalist is "someone who lives in mortal fear that someone, somewhere, is having fun."
The list of no-no in Fundamentalist Handbook :
1. Rock/Metal Music
2. Hip Hop Music and Black culture
3. Porn including the so called Hentai porn especially those with characters of questionable age and anything thats shows a skin.
4. Anything of foreign culture (non white)
5. Other religions
6. Booze
7. Sharing Files over the net
8. Basicly anything that makes live fun!!!
But in Dante's Inferno players attack the hell and try to kill Lucifer. And how about Darkwatch? it's the players who decide to become good or bad (and I took both)
For the hate of Satan, that's awesome.
Either way this argument turns the point that God loves you gets buried even deeper.
They just don't like being called on THEIR bullshit. If these were games having you side with Hades to destroy Zeus and the other Olympians, no one would care, despite the games having the same principle.
Proof? Silmeria.
"OH MY GOD! HE JUST KILLED GOD!"
If a god could be killed so easily, I wouldn't want to worship them anyway.
It's not like you're actually killing God himself. It's not like playing those games will make you think, 'Hm, satan worship seems like a positive step forward in my life. I mean, I get all these cool powers if I do!' Anyone who would think that probably isn't the most mentally stable person in the first place.
Borrowing elements from different religions and cultural fables is a common literary technique. It helps add realism and helps the story touch home a little more. Christianity and the bible are no exceptions, and shouldn't be exceptions. People who would take offense to a little creative leeway with their much-loved book should re-evaluate the messages inside it. I dunno, does the Bible preach understanding and tolerance? I forget.
I agree that games are getting progressively darker, and it's getting a bit stale. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is trying to spark a moral crusade just so people will be forced to come up with something slightly more creative... not that I think adapting Dante's Inferno into a playable video game isn't creative.
I think it's good that children of such religious fanatics see the other side as well. Who do that parents think they are censoring information? No satan? No other gods? Knowledge is bad? What's next? Returning to the Dark Age?
anyone who is in a religion isnt the most mentaly stable person around,
this is the shit that makes me face palm about "christianity"
nothing against religion... but people forcing themselves in beleving in god so they does not need to belive in themselves is a little painful for me... they bash videogames because they do not belive in their on judgement... they don't want the burden of being responsible for their own acts... it SO easier to blame the devil...
ok, i am being captain obvious with that comment but... it has to be said... AGAIN
one thing you should note before bashing christians and anyone else who believes in a god, is that this is the opinion of ONE person. It doesnt mean ALL christians are going around bashing video games, calling them 'satanic.'
games? why dont they go after books next, i read Stephen Kings "IT" when I was 12. That was a real kick in the nuts right there.
@"OH MY GOD! HE JUST KILLED GOD!"
You bastard!
I'd like to answer Anon 06:08 about wether or not the Bible preaches understanding and tolerance...
In the book of Leviticus, one of the most... interesting parts of the Bible, there says:
# "I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it." 26:16
# "I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies." 26:17
# "And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins." 26:18
# "I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins." 26:21
# "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle." 26:22
# "I ... will punish you yet (another) seven times for your sins." 26:24
# "I will bring a sword upon you ... I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy." 26:25
# "And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me ... then ... I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins." 26:27-28
# "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat." 26:29
# "I will ... cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you." 26:30
# "And I will make your cities waste." 26:31
# "And I will bring the land into desolation". 26:32
# "And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste." 26:33
# "And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth." 26:36
# "And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies." 26:37
# "And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up." 26:38
For more related fun, check this link:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/int_list.html
ok do you work for CNN or what? take anything out of context it sounds bad. for example
"I could never hate my children, they are anything but worthless" and here is how you would quote it back to everyone online
"I...hate my children, they are...worthless." way to go champ, you are trying to corrupt the world. i dare you to read the entire bible and justify this crap your posting. you wont because you would rather live in ignorance.
much is lost in translation anyway.
would be interesting to understand all these lines in context (of the book and the age it was written), and in hebrew of course...
the same principle applies to any holy book.
too bad many people are still too stupid to understand this...
What he quoted is nowhere near out of context. YOU read the bloody thing. And I do mean "bloody" literally.
And yet you don't see other religions doing the same...just the old and decadent catholic church(and some other variations of the same Christian belief thing*damn martin luther and his free interpretations of the bible*)...I guess that they miss the time when they were almighty, the owners of god's truth, the dictators and rulers of the world...let me tell'em something you DO know that the earth revolves around the sun and NOT the opposite, right?...hehehe...and please someone tell me when did kicking the Devil's ass to save the loveof your life become something "evil"?*come on, Dante's inferno is a huge classic, you don't have the right to say nothing about this great book*...but it's expected from them 'cause they are basically a huge real life precursor of the internet trolls.
Bullshit you don't. If there was a single game revolving around Mohammad, how much you want to bet a certain part of the world would be up in arms instantly? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were bitching at these games too; Same god, after all, just a later prophet.
Just remember what happened what a drawing of a bomb turban did.
They're angry because SMT does a pretty good job at showing what a dick YHWH is.
tis, thanks.
YHWH *is* a murderous asshole, his ultimate goal *is* the destruction of the world, and the incarceration and eternal torture of anyone who dares not believe/worship him, which means most of the population of the world... throughout history.
wrong anon... there is not "GOOD" or "EVIL" in SMT...
YHVH wants a world where there is no freedon for people do horrendous things (murder, rape, stealing, torture...). you will be a machine in a perfect world... if you are no suitable for a perfect world, you should die... you can not be yourself, you can not think by yourself.
Satan wants a world where you can be free, but there is nothing to protect you from the world... the strongest shall prevail, and if he wants to rape yout butt, steal your home, torture your sons and murder your girlfriend, what can you do? who will protect you? you are too weak to be free AND to free to hide your weakness
there is no right or wrong... you just need to choose your burden
FSM will just tentacle rape YHWH with his noodley appendage.
dukemagus and yuriphoria are both retards. i doubt they have even picked up a christian bible. i bet they go to biblical slander sites that quote the bible out of context and think that is what it's all about. you're just lying to yourselves. but hey, in the game of life, you don't get to make the rules. the creator does. and when you're in hell you can burn and call him an asshole all day long.
you do realise they are talking about a game, you fagboat?
FWIW, all this roundtable discussion is more become pagan than christian. to whitch i lol.
to anon @ 10:28 you're fucking stupid. don't butt in on a conversation when you don't know what the hell is going on. no one was talking about a game in this conversation. you read the main title and guessed at our conversation. your gay.
Actually, yes, yuriphoria and dukemagus are talking about a game. It's called Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne. That's about what the two sides (Law and Chaos) view the ideal world to be.
darkrockslizer, you can even take that point and go so far as to bash classical literature, or movies(blockbuster and independent), painting's, many cultural stories. Bottom line is that video games have been getting flak since day one because the majority of people lack the common knowledge or means to reason out that games are a modern age art form. You also can't forget about the age old problem of parents not having a clue at all and discover what they actually let their kids play. This mr Christian is probably some christ-fag trying to be clever with the name.
"Game publishers are cashing in on the satanic, anti-Catholic and the general anti-religion content themes and using them as a draw for buyers."
This is great, actually. Every religion is shit. They brought us thousands of years of "holy" wars, death, poverty and witch hunts. Good riddance.
Nah. I've long been of the mind that organized religion is needed to keep the sheep in line. Without religion every idiot with self control problems would be out on the street making my life ridiculously chaotic. They are, for the most part, a necessary evil (much as I believe that God would consider the Devil to be a necessary evil).
necesarius...?
you know some girl named index?!
Honestly, I don't see a problem with anti-religious games. If you don't like the false realities depicted in these games, go back to the false reality depicted at your local church. That might be more comfortable for you.
Just once I want to meet a seriously religious person who is cool with what other people think.
"Nocturne (Playstation 2): A game in which the hero (a demon) destroys the three Archangels St. Michael, Gabriel and Raphael, then goes on to destroy God."
I remember going against God at the end(or whatever that bastard left in control) and Metatron in the fifth Kalpa of the Labyrinth but other named angels? Must have been minor boss fights.
^ I consider myself at least somewhat religious but I'm generally pretty cool with other belief systems. Whatever works for you works for you. You don't need to believe in the Judeo-Christian God in order to be a good person any more than you need to be a devil-worshiper to be a bad person.
As for these games? They're works of fiction, A Fantasy spun borrowing elements from religious dogma. If uptight christfags don't like them,they don't have to play them, it's not like anyone's forcing them to, so they really have no reason to bitch and whine.
I'm Catholic, I'm not hugely religious but I have my beliefs, and I love Nocturne and I definitely want to find that game. And in Darksiders it's fun ripping up the angels and devils! lol I hated Trapt though, it was interesting but wasn't executed properly.
I'm a fairly religious person, and to be honest I love SMT games. They're my favorite RPGs. You just need to be able to separate what you believe from fiction.
I'm a big believe in "To each their own". As long as it doesn't affect with me, I don't really care what other people do.
Amen to that!
Games to the gamers!
there are alot of dumbasses on this forum. he isn't bashing videogames. he is just pointing out a factual trend in videogames and is asking if it could mean anything. it seems like there are alot of anti-christs on the forum trying to discredit him as quickly as possible too. and @ darkrockslizer 4:12, christian God and the devil are different from the other gods and demons because they are actually real, unlike the fake ass olympian shit.
im imagining Romans telling the Jews that the olympians were different "because they are actually real, unlike the fake-ass abrahamic shit"
I believe in Kaworu Nagisa, he died for humanities sins so you musn't run away.
Believe in Kamina, for He is the One who believes in those who Believe in Him!
Worship Cthulhu, because he could fuck every other deity up!
Ia Ia Cthulhu Rl'yeh Phtagn! Ia Ia Cthulhu Rl'yeh PHTAGN!
TheBeast you are the dumbasses here if you really meant...
"there are alot of dumbasses on this forum. he isn't bashing videogames."
Yes he was, he might have meant it innocently but he otherwise would not have said it. Considering how the Christards latch onto anything with any overtone other than theirs and try to squash it, he could have started something with that article.
"christian God and the devil are different from the other gods and demons because they are actually real, unlike the fake ass olympian shit."
That was obviously a joke but unfortunately a comment I hear said seriously too often.
nakkinyan. if you are going to try to come up with a clever insult/retort. learn to speak the language of the person you are speaking to. all that babbling made no god damn sense. if your only 10 and trying to talk like a big boy/girl. give it up and just talk in basic english.
that comment about the christian god and devil being real is not meant to be a joke. and @ shigure the romans were just wrong, because they are fags. lol.
Just talk in basic English.
This coming from someone who cannot even use basic grammar. Hilarious. :D
Silly Beast's mommy must have finally let him out of the basement. By the way Christian "God" and "Devil" are no more real than the Olympians, I mean unless you have some serious proof to back up that really world shattering declaration there? No you have none? Oh, okay then.
anon @ 16:41 there is proof you just have to read that thick tome called the holy bible. but you're too fucking stupid to read, so that is out of the question. and to anon@00:02 i dare you to point out one grammatical mistake. it is easy to criticize someones grammar when you don't know the rules of the language. your fucking stupid. if you couldn't follow my retort, then you need to go back to the remedial class with all the other waterheads, and learn how to read. stupid anon, don't bother showing me that i forgot to capitalize my words. i noticed you tried as hard as you could to write properly when you made fun of my comment. this is a forum for communicating, not a term paper. idiot.
A dare? Gladly! Aside from your whole problem with capitalization, you used "your" incorrectly. It's possessive, like "No one wants to hear your bitching." You should have used the "you're" contraction to mean "you are." For example: "You're a cunt." Also, you should have used a comma in your previous post between "if your only 10 and trying to talk like a big boy/girl" and "give it up and just talk in basic english" instead of a period between the two statements. Maybe scratch out one "and" while we're at it. "If you're a ten year old trying to talk like a big boy/girl, give it up and just talk basic English."
I know you said to point out one grammatical mistake, but I could go on if you want. There's just so many! :)
Unlike some people on the internet, I LIKE to write well when responding to others. It IS a forum for communicating, right? I prefer that others understand what I'm saying, personally. Not a lot of people feel that way.
I'm sure YOU'RE going to ignore this, call me a fucking retard grammar Nazi or whatever petty little insult you have buzzing in YOUR head. I really don't mind, YOU'RE so much fun! :D
Beast you say read the bible.... The bible is no more proof of a "God" then if I were to have my friends and myself write a massive novel and say it's truth. Were you there, for that matter was anyone alive today there? Fuck no. You read to much into your little book, it's meant to guide not as an actual record of events, though I don't expect anyone as blind as yourself to see that. I've read your bible and honestly it gave me some chuckles. I respect the religion for what it was supposed to be but I can NEVER respect the fanatics and utter fucking rejects like this "Beast" person.
Just remember Beast no matter what your Mommy will always love you.
Well said
I lol'd when I saw his last name was christian.
I agree that the actual trend of video games these days are towards the destruction of God. But what does Guitar Hero have to do with god? You actually destroy Satan for trapping your soul in that game(correct me if I'm wrong)
Besides, Dante's Inferno is against hell. So their trying to say that their god is Satan himself? Smart christ-fags...
religion shouldnt be in games period it takes away from they fantasy anf puts real world problems in there
Aye, we're too cool for churchschool.
Demons are so rad.
When the next form of media comes around.
I don't see the problem with the article. It is just another guy ranting. Video game reviews are full of people ranting about everything under the sun. So the relegious people want to rant too? Who cares? Most of what he said is basicly true all of those games have a demonic theme or an anti god theme and we bought them, apparently he did too since he is so knowledgeable about them.
Anyway my basic point is he didn't even say the games are corrupting the buyers (maybe it was implied that being satanic is bad??) In fact even though he mentioned they could fall into the hands of children that wasn't listed as bad. There is a teeny tag on at the end where some other guy says the games have gotten worse over the years. Really though this was more analysis and less judgement. So what I am really wondering is why the people posting he are so upset? Are you uber christians who felt your playing of video games was pure and now you have been marred in some way by his opinion? Or do you feel that demonic has a naturally negative connotation to it. Since logically speaking if you don't believe in any of that stuff you wouldn't attach a positive or negative imagage to the word demonic. Maybe you just wanted to rant about something?
I almost want to register to + this post.
This guy isn't saying nobody should buy these games. He's not saying these games shouldn't exist. He's not saying that ratings need to be changed. He's not saying anyone should protest the games, their developers, or their publishers.
He's (rightfully) pointing out their themes and ratings, and warning parents who are against their CHILDREN playing games with such themes to pay attention to what they buy.
ALL THE TIME I see gamers making posts about how parents should check what games they're playing and not to blame stores or publishers. This guy is mirroring that sentiment yet is still getting attacked. But I suppose bashing Christians is like bashing America, it makes you an internet cool guy.
Quit ranting.
your not my boss i'll rant if i want to. >;p
It's not the fact that he's ranting that bothers me. It's when the ranting has the potential to spark a moral crusade to get my games banned that really gets my goat.
ok then, were in agreement. i don't understand why we, as gamers, have to be afraid the government is going to step in and ban games that we like. i don't think it is legal or right.
Wait until the next part of the Divine Comedy. We'll see what Dante has to do for Heaven to get with Beatrice.
...That, or we just get some Angels may Cry series "just to balance out good and evil".
There's also always turning the boring Crusades into something bloody and gory in the name of a certain religion.
Seriously, if they are crying about such a simple thing, then they should try making their own and seeing if that will sell. Hard Mode: Create the game w/o violence or any other immoral act. We'll see how popular that gets.
H-Ero i like what you've done with your name.
H-ero and HERO. you are my hero sir.
shut up
try and make me, anon fag.
When videogames stop bashing them, I suppose.
When will they stop believing that Religion is real?
When hell freezes over...wait this is kinda ironic i guess heheheeh, they'll stop cause won't be a Devil os a hell anymore I guess.
About the time when they realize that their christian god is about as plausible as the pastafarian flying spaghetti monster or the easter bunny.
It is real... you guys just don't know the current set-up between God, man and Satan....
Analogy:
God: Arbiter of all. Gives you points for good deeds to....
man: .....currently taking the test.....
Satan: ..... the test paper......
Man is just an animal who made up god just by looking into the sun for too long.
Beholed! The face of god has blinded you!
@anon 13:57
no sir you are wrong, here is a better analogy
man: evil mass murdering asshole.
satan: some made up red dude that scares little children
god: the actions behind pedo priests.
there i helped fix it for you
you are a fag anon@13:36. show me where in the bible it says god wants his priests to sodomize children. it doesn't. that's why it is a shock when it happens. but you are just another evil cocksucker trying to plant seeds of corruption.
man: exercising free will.
satan: lying to gain trust.
God: telling the truth, even if it hurts.
for the love of
Moe,Action and Odin
When they will get a new DEVIL MAY CRY
they have not play l4d jet *nods*
Seriously.
I think games like this are perfect for the world to take religion a little less seriously.
These guys should learn to laugh at themselves once in a while instead of choking on the three foot pole up their asses.
that pole up their asses is sodomy, which is a sin to them.
this is gonna take a while....
i don't think they should take their religion less seriously, but more less put it into context. they are usually old folks who don't understand the "bad revolution" which includes more realistic heros than ones from fairy tales. if they could grasp peoples curiosity for things outside the walls of their boundaries. games with a darker theme would be understood by them if not condoned. all the pastors i know will sit down and play some GTA4. they will say that it isn't a game for teaching morals, but it is fun.
Well I have games I need to play now! I've always wanted to kill the christian god. I've already played the SMT ones though. They should make one where you kill jesus. I'd pay $60 for that.
you're a retard.
you are a retard. Jesus was cool, son of god or no
And if Jesus were still with us, he would not be a Christian.
Jesus worshipping himself?
Jesus is THE SON OF GOD.while GOD is a trinity of Father,Son and Holy spirit.In gaming language it means:
God is the player,Jesus is His avatar and Holy Spirit is His Administrator Account.
See God IS A GAMER.
So lighten up,have fun while helping other human players,isnt that what MMORPG was all about?
Hard to be a Christian(follower of Christ) When you ARE the Christ. So, the comment is ironically true.
Did they actually play those games? Dante's Inferno, for example, is actually the exact opposite from what they say. The Divine Comedy is about Dante going to hell for his sins and realizing his life was evil. He then searches for forgiveness.
I can understand some but if they're going to try and call out Guitar Hero as being unholy then they need to calm down.
Who is "they" exactly? People that can't differentiate escapist fiction from fact? Because plenty of Christians can, just not these people.
for the love of god...when will they stop bashing video games?
I see what you did thar
minutes after christianity collapse.
They would stop bashing video games when they have no one to bash but themself.
God doesnt need tobe defended this way.If He was offended then then He shall rain Hellfire on earth for seven days just like in those games.Wait.....that means God also plays games!!!
No one is bashing videogames... The Christian religion is just under direct scrutiny by some.Bashing games is saying "All games are being used as a wole to make to make our children evil" This is just saying "Theres a sudden surge in games directly mocking the christian religion" I mean, to christians, we're talking about a very real God thats getting very honestly pissed off.
And people please don't try and prove or disprove god, because it can't be done. I doubt any athiest will change thier beliefs through an internet forum, and also, YOU CAN'T DISPROVE GOD WITH SCIENCE OR LOGIC, THATS WHY HE'S GOD, THATS WHY IT'S CALLED SUPERNATURAL.
Also, here's a quote I like "Christians are trying to save you from the gates of hell, you're just being a prick"
What? That a problem? I'm a guy posting anonymous on sankaku, I don't think anyone will even read this.