“Most Otaku Want 3D Women, Not 2D”

Maybe they need to reinstate polygamy, and return to the old days where a 'family' meant more than blood lineage.

The rich people could afford it and all those unmarried women who just want to live an easy life can go to them, and only condition is that they mother 2 or 3 babies.

you are forgetting divorcees and future divorcees

So the main problem is that women is insatiable bitches? Why don't you face reality?

"Men and women’s expectations of the opposite sex have just become way too high, and they can no longer have children as a result"

best explanation there can be.

@Anon 2:51

Why don't you?

@Anon 3:25
no u

That chart is bullshit. Not in the sense that it's completely untrue, but because of its structure it assumes the criteria is concrete. And yeah, I know it's just created by some dude... You know, if I was a woman I would also be hesitant to enter a relationship with a man who spent the majority of his money on things like figurines, DVDs, and other various Anime collectibles. But otaku aren't even the main problem as far as the population issue is concerned. Still, I do sympathize with the otaku in Japan. They are (not all) just socially inept, so they run to the internet and complain about how women only care about money or something (not that those kinds don't exist). I might be thinking too much into this though.

2D is awesome, 3D... for making baby?

Perhaps that is why 'Densha Otaku' rings a faint bell of hope to Otakus.. The price is your first love, but it would be well worth it if you find that one lady willing to set that all aside to be close to you... But would rather like it if you just toned it down a lot.

It's pretty cold hard fact that most women are money grubbing cunts. Simple as that. There are exceptions, but those only more emphasize the rule.

@Anon 3:25
If real world for you is opposite, then I hope you will get out of basement.

@Japanisokay

im sorry but you are wrong.

in japan as poll have shown over and over again, the majority of women wont even consider a guy that makes more money than them as anything but garbage, and to top it off, being an anime otaku in japan costs SIGNIFICANTLY more than it does here.

polls show that 80% wont consider someone makeing less than them.

that leaves 20%

less than 5% would consider an anime otaku as an option.

so now its down to what? 1%

and as men, i can say it this way, i want someone who is at least a 5 out of 10, and weighs less than me, OR has more boob than gut. and on pure looks im about a 7 just to prove i am willing to go under what i am for someone i like

now lets say that 40% of women meet these requirements, im down to .4%

and in my personal experience, 1 out of close to 40 people i have associated with i would even consider a friend. im not picky, i just don't like allot of universally liked things, and finding people i can talk to after than becomes a problem. but lets assume that 1 out of 5 people can hold conversations with each other, and like it.

that brings the number down to .08

now japans population is 12770400 as google said 1021632 and divide that by 1/2 510816

that is from my math, you can check my numbers, that is the amount of women who can stand otaku, don't look to bad, and don't care to much about your income

now this number is larger, because it took all women, it is probably significantly lower than that, and the odds that one of these goddesses (in japan, if you can stand otaku, not care about money to much, and look a 5 or over, if that isn't a goddess, i don't know what is) is still single or that you would ever meet.

and so you know, there is a statistic, that states, if you spend money on anything that isn't a strict living expense, you are less desirable, and if its for you alone, you are even less.

Nah I see your point, but frankly a lot of that seems like speculation. Speculation with numbers. That "%80" was from a poll featured on this website, right? Aside from that I don't really know of similar research. Can you provide other sources/polls to support these statistics/interpretations? I'm not necessarily saying you can't, I just cannot. Trust me, I really want to understand this situation, because I don't find women in America like this at all, and it seems like women wouldn't be that different just because they're Japanese.

Actually his math is horribly wrong, he divided Japan's female population by 8%, not 0,08%, and counted old women and children. Tsk Tsk.

And on your hand, just handwaving statistics... nope, they can't reflect reality at all, no Sirre.

Hmmm, upon closer reading, you're not handwaving it completely.

Well, contrary to PCness culture matters a lot and american women too are probably more concerned than you think.

Western women are far worse than the Japanese, though. This coming from a westerner...

Well, I'm a westerner too and have had different experiences. I guess this all comes down to reality not being as concrete as we believe it to be.

Uh... I'm not sure what you mean by "reality not being as concrete as we believe it to be". If you mean it's relative/subjective, I agree.

I base my views on experience I got when I studied abroad for a year. I only dated 2 Japanese people, so I guess you could say I'm just over-generalizing out of frustration. It's just that finding a good woman where I live seems much harder than finding a good Japanese one.

We are in agreement then. So you have at least some experience, that's cool then. I've had my experience with people like that as well, and it seems that what works is you have to be honest about how you feel with that behavior. Kind of like an understanding, gentle scolding. Worked for me, in various kinds of relationships.

they don't want to be impregnate by you, they want someone way better.

Well Riku, part of that problem is that single mothers have no chance of success in Japan.
Riku's children would become an entire generation of criminals.

Japan and most of the world should stop worrying about a declining population, as Japan is over-populated already.

And as for the old people who have no one to support them? Get back to work!

Yeah, no. Great advice in a vacuum, but down the line that creates all sorts of problems economically and socially. Of course, if Japan wouldn't do everything in their power to discourage immigration, things might be different.

It doesn't create economic problems, it just changes them. A continuously growing population is a disaster waiting to happen. All that is happening is that the problem is correcting itself. It might suck at first but it is better in the long run. It's better to run out of laborers then it is to run out of food.

Indeed. A decreasing population is ONLY a problem for an economy relying on CONTINUOUS growth of income, export, import, population etc.

In reality, unfortunately, there's a limit for everything.
After 60 years or so when current economic theories will meet mercantilism in the recycle bin, Japan will actually be relieved for having a much more sustainable population for their small mineral-poor geographic territory.

I'm sure old people living miserable lives and/or starving to death isn't a problem for you.

Yup, those pensions are going to magically pay themselves, or robots will take care of them. Either is good with me!

And the pensions for old people will be provided by magic and robots. They won't live miserably andor starve to death.

"Indeed. A decreasing population is ONLY a problem for an economy relying on CONTINUOUS growth of income, export, import, population etc.

In reality, unfortunately, there's a limit for everything.
After 60 years or so when current economic theories will meet mercantilism in the recycle bin, Japan will actually be relieved for having a much more sustainable population for their small mineral-poor geographic territory"

You just offended me as an economist. I sometimes see people who are wrong, but you were dead wrong throughout. Humans are a resource, and businesses always want there to be more of them. The more "Overpopulated" a country is, the better it's businesses will do. Now, I'm not for people stacked up against each other, but it's not like that anywhere in the world. In 1984, when the world's population was 4.4 billion, you could have fit everyone in the entire world in Texas, and each could have 1000 square feet to their name. Meaning a woman with 2 children had 3000, etc. So overpopulation isn't really a problem economically, it's a solution to an economic problem. Unfortunately solutions cause problems too, like pollution, crime, and selective corruption.

First. A decreasing population is ALWAYS a problem for businesses. No exceptions. As for your rationale, even if you weren't relying on continuous growth, say you were trying to be sustainable but you can't find anyone to help do the jobs in your firm now? No babies! The people in the Japanese government, rather than directly interfering with the market, are attempting to inject resources. you must understand, Darkrock, People ARE Japan's resource. They aren't resource-poor as long as they have a high population!

As for the prediction that current economic theory will meet an end, I've never ONCE seen a government handle an economy better than the free market. And the free market has been doing a damn good job for a couple thousand years now.

Otaku spend what they earn. The women in question spend what men earn. So yes... different.

"Have sex with 3d, live with 2d?"

This pretty much, love is subjective and anyone can breed anyway they want.

You just have to know some of ppl who's in their thirties and are virgins, never kissed a girl, socially unable, and only have friends online. Hell, they think of suicede alot more than your average person.

lmao!! riiku got owned

@Riiku, this does beg the question though, if these people are so socially unable, how come they have friends online? Social incompetence should have carried over to the net.

People who have most friends online should have nothing against meeting each other in video conferences or meeting up irl.
It's just a matter of common interests and possibilities.

@Riku I would too if I couldn't spell "suicede."

@Anon 8:12
Yes, go die because you can't spell
"Suicide"

@Anon 18:13
He was pointing out Riiku's mistake (3:57, third line, the word before "a lot" [or as Riiku put it, alot]).

^ all of the above, tearing up Riku because he/she struck a nerve XD

I'd say the opposite, having been essentially where Riiku described. I was an okaku for around 13 years, but eventually I fell for a 3D girl, and went "oh my god, I've wasted my youth being a shut-in, and passed up chances to build the social skills I need now." I didn't have permanent mental damage from it, but I did have my only ever panic attack (holy shit, almost passed out at work...) and spent a season or two depressed as hell.

I don't know who is actually capable of 2D love... I've had tons of infatuations with 2D characters, and still do. It's not love though, and it's not fulfilling. It's a band-aid for the heart basically. It feels nice, but once you feel the need in your heart for an actual sentient companion, all that character merch becomes so much spiteful trash symbolizing time wasted.

Sex... whatever. That I can take care of on my own just fine. What I want is a human who accepts me for myself that I can spend my life with, and 2D is just a pale, polished simulacrum of that. Besides, once you get far enough from high school age, most of that school romance stuff that dominates the moe market boils down to fantasy about those you can't relate to anymore anyway, unless you freeze your mind in a childhood state, which is just asking for more such trouble.

I've been infatuated with 2D girls, maybe even limerent once or twice, but once I loved a real girl, I realized what I was feeling before was a shadow of the real thing. It's seriously reality-altering when it hits.

I imagine the one you fell in love with wasn't a gold-digging, self-absorbed feminazi?

I'm interested in both 2D and 3D, depending on my mood, so I can't really relate to either extremity...