“Most Otaku Want 3D Women, Not 2D”


An article proclaiming that most otaku settle for 2D only after failing to get 3D has predictably ignited a storm of controversy amongst otaku.

The article as published in business rag Nikkei BP:

The government is trying to reverse the decline in the birth rate to no avail. Because half of all men aged 30-34 are unmarried. In Japanese society, those who are unmarried rarely have children. So, to stop the decline in the birth rate, making marriage easier is necessary.

And the group furthest away from marriage is that of the otaku. I don’t think most otaku are in love with 2D characters. I think if they could, they would go with 3D, that is to say a human woman.

But to court a human woman, a certain amount of technique and experience is required. In particular there are men who become profoundly hurt through dating rejection, or who are possessed of introverted personalities, and who thus have no other option but to flee to 2D for their romantic needs.

And once they have stepped into the world of 2D, it is a very comforting place. 2D characters aren’t fickle, they don’t lie or betray you like real women. Consequently drawing otaku back into the world of 3D is exceedingly difficult.

However, if we cannot do this Japanese society has no future.

He can perhaps be excused for the ridiculous hyperbole at the end – even stretching the definition of otaku to its limits is unlikely to yield more than a few million such souls in Japan; Japan’s marriage and birth rate problems are indisputably mainstream social issues, and otaku are but a fringe element of that.

It should also be noted that similar drastic declines in birth rate are well in evidence in a number of developed and developing nations, so clearly Japan is merely an advanced case of a trend linked to profound social changes the world over – fretting over otaku is unlikely to be addressing anything other than an outlying symptom of these changes.

It is also notable that he is unwilling to incorporate the exceedingly hostile attitude of women to otaku or poor men into his explanation.

Naturally, 2ch has something to say about all this:


No way!

They just run to 2D because no one’ll have them.

Why is he saying something so obvious so pompously?

Men and women’s expectations of the opposite sex have just become way too high, and they can no longer have children as a result – so they flee to 2D.

Bringing out your pet theories is all very well, but quit mixing it up with a “consensus of opinion.”

Have sex with 3D, live with 2D?

With guts you can date the opposite sex. But marrying and having children takes more. You need money above all else, and not many people have it.

There’s nothing to gain from facing up to an ugly reality.

Stick to economics and stop pretending to understand this stuff.

What’s up with this creepy old guy pretending to be the representative of all otaku?

With artificial ova on the horizon, progress in 2D and ona-holes, who needs women?

It’s not that they compromise with 2D after failing to get 3D. They compromise by going with 3D as they can’t go with 2D.

Of course he’s right. How can you love 2D? You can’t even have a conversation.

Go with the sex trade for 3D. To satisfy the heart go with 2D.

Saying you’ve no interest in 3D is just a defence mechanism. Just an excuse to make yourself seem less wretched.

2D and 3D are both just electrical signals in the brain. Thus there is no essential difference between the two.

I like both 2D and 3D; saying only one or the other is good is just intolerance.

2D 3D
Cost: Purchase + electricity 99% of your wages
Food: Will eat with you Is asleep when you get back from work
Holidays: Always with you Forces you to visit parents
Memory: Can freely save and load Only remembers husband’s weaknesses
Warmth: Depends on monitor “Don’t touch me”
Soothing: Will soothe you Will complain if not soothed
Appearance: Beautiful, no degradation (depends on artist) Depends on makeup, degradation apparent
Virginity?: Depends on preference Essentially not
Land mines: Mental damage only Can take financial and mental damage
Husband’s income: Doesn’t care “That’s the barometer of a man, isn’t it?”
Duration: Depends on preference Until death or divorce

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    Comment by Anonymous
    18:01 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "You go girl!" Feminism encouraged women to put their own desires above the needs of a relationship or society. It is only natural that men adopt this paradigm and put their own desires above the needs of a relationship or society. "You go guy!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    so i have the choice of staying single (or a bachelor) with all 2D and the best that life can offer or, find a girl, get hitched and have a mortgage to pay for 20 years and a pack of animals to feed?

    i think ill take the first option.

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    Comment by Aiko Goddess
    01:18 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, 2d it's ok for anime and videogames...
    But nothing is better than a hug and a whisper saying "I love you"... So 3D is better for me xD

    And if japanese women only want money, so whatever... every girl wants money, but there are things way more important for me... Go to work, you bitches!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:29 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I think if they could, they would go with 3D, that is to say a human woman."

    Highlights: I think.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:32 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    2D loli = comforting fantasy

    3D loli = hard time (prison)

    So, 2D, yeah. Definitely 2D.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:46 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    developed country´s with birth rate problems should ENFORCE RAPE, if you are a male over 13, you must rape atleast 1 girl monthly or face life time prison.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:57 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That would be cool... until you'd have to rape fugly women.

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    05:10 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    2)ENFORCE PLASTIC SURGERY, if you are fugly.
    ...Now its better...although I would prefer natural beauty but ignore it. Better than raping fugly women/

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    Comment by Reborn25
    23:48 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    99.9% of your income.
    Who came up with that stat??

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:43 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you're quoting the chart in the article, it's actually 99%.

    And to answer your question... it's probably Anonymous.

    Comment by Anonymous
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    Comment by cooldown3
    10:40 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am a newcomer to posting here but I am glad to see an active discussion about current Japanese culture.
    It is a difficult thing to discuss without taking a big picture approach.
    Things Fall Apart is a book written by a respected african novelist which described the slow loss of culture in his tribe the Igbo ethnic group in Nigeia.
    Chinua Achebe described the influence on social mores that were dissolved by the coming of christianity and of the introduction of the bicycle.
    There is an excelent article on wikipedia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:02 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2d to the end dealing with real women is just to hard to deal with sinc emost don't like Otaku anyway. at least a 2d girl won't make to feel like crap!

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D>3D nuff said.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:32 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow no advantages of 3D at all, hm. There is one advantage of 3D if you were to happen to break both your arms and legs. 2D, nothing will aid you still retain your broken arms and legs, while 3D there's a marginal chance that someone may help you marginally.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:42 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its not a lie or misconception that your income for many woman is a meter of sorts. These a re the kind of woman I stay away from though, they'll spend you out of house and home for new shoes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:49 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love that reductionistic line of thinking which holds that otaku turn to 2D because something is wrong with them. The fact is, we live in a world where you can do everything right and still fail.

    Nothing is ever so simple that it can be reduced to "X, therefore Y." Finding oneself in a loving relationship is the result of a myriad of processes both obvious and obscure, and sheer random happenstance is far from being the least of these.

    As they say, "shit happens." Not everyone is fortunate enough to be in the sort of life circumstances that make a relationship possible. Does that mean that anything is wrong with such a person? No. That's just the way the world works.

    Sadly, though, we can't trade this world for a different one. Shit sucks.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:06 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i'm almost wondering why dont some of these otaku dont just go gay or something and date each other since they understand each other's dillemma. it might not be sexy but creepy otaku love ftw...?????

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 17/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    because we dont have a sink mind like you?
    Oh yeah..if ur gf cheats on you,dont cry ok?

    Oh yeah..if you lose ALL of your money on shoes,makeup,clothes for her,dont complain to somebody that your losing your house ok?

    Or that your mum didnt teach you right.

    Just saying...dont throw all Otakus in a big boat...
    i consider myself an Otaku,but alot of girls still talke to me,sadly i dont get a gf because im not a sex-crazed idiot like you...or because i actually value what a girl is,aswell as think that the when you call someone your girl friend,the minimum time with each other should be at least 5 months,oh wait i forgot...im not a playa...have a nice day...and i cant wait untill girls use you too as a slave ....good luck ^^

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:17 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people are being too needlessly optimistic for hooking up those that are not meant to be together. Love clearly isnt for everyone. not evryone gets fairy tale endings or good relationships. that's why so many kill themselves in Japan among other shit

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    Comment by xaeroak15
    13:42 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well you can live in 2D via pierceing some channels in to your brain

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let the Japs die out then the Chinese, Koreans and Filipinos replace em. That's the perfect revenge for WW2!! Well, the Japs are just asking for it: higher salaries for old people, high pension for old people and very strict immigration laws. If I were a Jap, I'll not work for those old bastards!!!

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    Comment by Uncommon0taku
    11:58 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    laughs his ass off,
    falls out of his chair still laughing.

    ... the analysis it pretty accurate.

    I mean the last part where the reality in comparison lays it out in harsh truth of the matter.

    I'll settle for 2D, I've tried 3D females, unfortunately there aren't a whole lot available in my neck of the woods. Oh sure there are a lot of divorced homely looking ones with a boat load of ugly kids.
    But thats besides the point.

    Most of the cute ones are either already taken, or are simply not into you (since those are most likely too young {& illeagal} anyway).
    Then there are the gold diggers,... but that is pretty self explanitory.

    2D and you can keep your sanity.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:31 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    2D and you can keep your sanity...

    and most importantly, be financially secure.

    Hate to break to you 3D lovers, but 50% of the modern marriages these days end in divorce. 35% of the remaining marriages stayed married because of the children.

    The chances of a MALE surviving a modern day marriage with one's finances intact is worse than playing Russian Roulette. :lol:

    Number of failed marriages I have encountered among my kins and relatives so far: 16. (My parents are divorced, btw. So are my 4 cousins that are close to my age. That's 4 cousins out of 7 married ones...

    The remaining divorces are spread among my elder relatives.

    I haven't even start counting the divorces of my peers, associates and friends. And guess what, these divorces are happening among my PMEB friends, not some hobos with no money in their pockets. But some of them do look like hobos after the divorce. :p

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >The chances of a MALE surviving a modern day marriage with one's finances intact is worse than playing Russian Roulette. :lol:

    Not quite. According to your figures, "50% of the modern marriages these days end in divorce, and 35% of the REMAINING marriages stayed married because of the children" (my emphasis). It looks like you're assuming that means that only 15% of marriages turn out well, given that the odds of surviving a proper game of Russian Roulette (assuming a revolver with a 6-round magazine) are 1 in 6, or 16.667%.

    However, percentages don't work that way. 35% of the remaining 50% of marriages is, in fact, just 17.5% of the total. Ergo, only 67.5% of marriages turn out badly, and 32.5% turn out healthy -- according, again, to your figures.

    That means you're roughly TWICE as likely to survive a marriage with your finances intact as you are to survive a game of Russian Roulette.

    Just sayin'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:23 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    16:35 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You can't argue with a statistician. I'm speechless.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:54 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The odds of survival in a game of Russian Roulette is actually 5 in 6. You only load one bullet into the gun, not five...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:37 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >The odds of survival in a game of Russian Roulette is actually 5 in 6. You only load one bullet into the gun, not five...

    Oh, damn. I should've though about that one just a little bit more. :facepalm:

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:08 27/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    women need to stop being so f-ing difficult!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:44 25/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    all this debate about relationships alrdy shows how too much we expect frm the opposite sex, nothing is ever simple like pure love anymore, the kind where u overlook petty details and work together as a couple to bond.then again this is the corporate world we live in. we just complicate ourselves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:53 12/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i would perfer 2D at least they never ages....

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:46 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    people are superficial. thats the problem.

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    Comment by YuTheOtaku
    12:22 02/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    just stupid to compare ~_~ sex > fap
    but 3D comes with alot of baggage afterward. So it's not that people think 2D is better, it's just not worth the trouble going after 3D.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 02/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Newsflash: life COMES with a lot of baggage, whether you want it or not. This is just your (every 2D lovers') excuse to run away and not face responsibilities like any normal human being. That's why you all cower in your rooms or imagine being with your 2D wives while you fondle yourselves every day.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 22/08/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can we get a new picture please?! Don't Japanese women know how to blow their noses?!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:46 25/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I get it now. The people in this comments section are mostly extreme cases of otaku, hence the opinion of 2D > 3D. This is because the sampling does not come from a completely randomized population, hence most comments are logical arguments in favor of imagination and the realization of the ideal that is within one's hand in the form of 2D waifus.

    In the real world, however, there are people who have absolutely no problems with 3D. Many of them. And since they have a normal social life and non-otaku interests, they do not flock to websites such as these.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:15 12/04/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    in this day and age is there really such a thing as a human woman?..sluts, whores and feminists dont count as women

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 12/06/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed, most otakus would get a 3D girl if they could but that is ONLY because 2D girls are literally unattainable. 3D have the advantage of actually being real and therefore can stimulate nerves that 2D can't.

    Ironically, even if 2D girls were real they wouldn't want you anyways. Even 2D girls have standards and considering that most main characters are actually pretty damn handsome and have deal with the "event flags", their standards are likely pretty damn high.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:36 02/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd prefer to die solo than to marry one of those fugly biatchez @_@

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:34 25/07/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The comments section bothers me a lot. I didn't know 2D vs. 3D was such a serious issue.

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    Comment by YuTheOtaku
    02:56 03/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    its a choice, you say "run away" like it's a bad thing. Humans always consider all the possibilities before making their decisions. Some people might just want 3D for the physical pleasure and not the emotional, some want the emotional. It's just preference.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:24 03/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because it is. It's cowardice. If everyone were like you, the world won't progress to where it is now. It's people like you who are baggage.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:50 28/04/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Says the Otaku who hides behind the tag of Anonymous. Cowardice is a lengthy shadow, and you my complaining fellow human cast a very long one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:06 11/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bull. Women making the SAME job as a guy will be paid considerably less. And in most cases, no matter how competent they are or how hard they work and are willing to sacrifice family and provate life and all, they will NEVER be offered high responsibility jobs.
    Only in Japanese branches of foreign companies, do women actually have a chance of an actual career.

    It's easy for you to spew that garbage without knowing the facts, but the truth is quite nasty.

    Doesn't excuses some people's "boyfriend must be rich!" attitudes, but it certainly is something that should be mentioned as a factor.

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    Comment by Neferius
    10:48 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    GOD, this is Pathetic, can we not tell the differance between Reality and Fiction anymore.

    Here's the 411:
    Any 2D Character is merly an Emulation of an Ideal person. Subsequently this induces a natural raise of Standards, but here lies NOT the underlying Problem.
    The Real problem is that people find themselves less and less capable of coping with the harsh Reality, and thus find Refuge within their own Fantesies, ultimately leading to addiction.

    The Big differance between Cyber-addiction and let's say Drug-use is that there is NO phisical factor ensnaring the User, which means He/She really CAN quit whenever they want, the main problem with that being the herein lack of Motivation to do so...

    Nobody wants to live in a Broken World :(

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    Comment by tyciol
    00:12 12/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love 3D women, but I disagree with his stereotype that we prefer them.

    I think it tends to vary, like anything. Some real women might be more appealing than some anime characters, but clearly vice versa is also true.

    Until we have met every animu character and every real girl, it is hard to say.

    I think it also depends on your mood and current mindset. Some of us may have observed 'modes' and so forth where you're more interested in interacting with real people versus zoning out and watching a TV.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol that's what happens when you give women freedom. The freedom to choose who they want to be with. Rejected men are left with the fugly leftovers, which they would rather not touch. Who would have guessed that giving women freedom would doom an entire country? haha

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:36 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Who would have guessed that giving women freedom would doom humanity?"


    Comment by Anonymous
    14:06 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    blaming ur problems on sum1 else, 2 ignorants..... whoever gave birth 2 u, i feel sorry 4 them .....

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:05 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3D is pig-disgusting; wouldn't want it even if I could get it. 2D is beautiful and pure. If I can just die in the loving, imaginary embrace of my little cartoon waifu, I will be the happiest man in the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:42 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>If I can just die in the loving, imaginary embrace of my little cartoon waifu, I will be the happiest man in the world.

    >>which is why i would die a very happy man

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so you admit that you can't get a girl?

    whatever man. if you wanna die alone and "happy" then who am i to stop you but that seems like a pretty sad way to live. plus a "loving, imaginary embrace" is impossible because it's imaginary. as in, it's not real.

    2d is nice to look at, but that's it. but what do i know? after all i'm here on sankaku, too, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:45 26/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's all just electrical input into the brain, man. "Reality" is what you experience, wherever it comes from. Energy and information are all that exists. 2D = 3D, idealized.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:13 28/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>so you admit that you can't get a girl?

    Yeah, so? I'm not ashamed of being unable to get a 3D girl, because 3D is fail.

    As for the rest, I've got a pretty vivid imagination. Why settle for less?

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 01/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    3D enthusiasts are less evolved than 2D lovers, that's why. besides, why would you even need real people to love when your imagination is very handy?

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