Bankbook Finder Claims 15% of Owner’s Bank Account

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A man who found and reported a lost bankbook claimed 15% of the legitimate owner’s $200,000 bank balance as a finder’s reward, and courts agreed the owner must pay.

The case began when a Niigata prefecture man found a lost bag containing bankbooks, payslips and a legal seal, with the books belonging to an account with an apparent balance of ¥17,000,000.

He immediately reported the find to police, and the lost items were returned the same day to their owner.

Here things began to go awry; the owner of the bankbooks offered not one yen in reward money for the prompt return of the bag, even when asked by the finder – in Japan the “grateful” owner of a lost item is expected to offer a reward commensurate with the value of the lost item or of at least a respectable amount.

The finder soon filed a court case demanding 15% of the bank account’s balance as a reward, based on the owner not fulfilling his legal obligations to provide a reward under the Lost Articles Law.

Japanese law treats the appropriation of lost articles by finders as theft; the legally correct action is to report the incident to police, who will then retain the article for 3 months whilst searching for the owner.

If nobody claims the article it normally becomes property of the finder, except where items containing personal information are involved.

With a generally law-abiding populace, the reporting of lost property is common – in 2009 some 17 million articles were reported to police, 6 million of which were returned to their owners, and 7 million to finders. 450,000 unclaimed articles were withheld based on personal information being present.

This included ¥14,200,000,000 in cash, ¥9,700,000,000 of which was returned to the original owners, and ¥3,800,000,000 to finders.

However, if the article is claimed by the original owner, the law requires the owner to pay the finder a reward, from 5-20% of the object’s value. Failure to do so can result in civil courts forcing a payment if legal action is taken by the finder.

This is a simple matter where cash is involved, but a complex legal issue where many other items are concerned, as their “market value” must be determined.

Mangaka Takashi Tajima, author of several legal manga and a lawyer himself, explains:

“From the perspective of the side losing a bankbook or similar, its effectively a worthless scrap of paper as once reported to a bank it can no longer be used at all, meaning a small reward is justified at best, but the finder is likely likening it to actual cash as if he was criminally inclined he could quickly take it to the bank and make a withdrawal before it was cancelled.”

There have in fact been several high profile cases around just this issue.

In one case in 1983, a bank employee managed to lose a cheque for ¥7,800,000,000. Courts then valued the actual cheque at 2% of its face value, and then ordered the bank to pay a 5% reward to the finder, totalling ¥8,750,000.

In 1991, a lost promissory note was valued at from a half to a third of its face value, resulting in a ¥850,000 payment to the finder being ordered .

Such cases also raise the intriguing possibility that having property returned could actually be far more damaging than losing it in the first place, and more profitable (and legal) for the “honest” finder.

Indeed, it might be less risky for those losing such articles to not claim them at all, since once cancelled they lose all value, and any attempt to use them constitutes a serious crime for which no reward need be paid and liability is generally limited.

These cases are at any rate the exception rather than the rule, a court official says: “Usually these are resolved with a ‘thank you’ payment of 50-100,000. It seems in this case the finder became upset however…”

The case finally concluded with the owner demonstrating that the account in fact only held ¥8,000,000, with the court suggesting a minimal 5% payment – both sides finally agreed on a compromise ¥300,000 “reward.”

It is not clear just what the moral of all this for both finders and losers is.


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    Avatar of Miroku74
    Comment by Miroku74
    07:55 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Holy Fuck... >_<

    Not a drop of human kindness in this world lately, it seems. :(

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    Comment by i like pandas
    08:00 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Unfortunately, human kindness does not put food nor, more importantly, kawaii anime figures on one's table.

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    Comment by Miroku74
    08:27 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It can if enough people cared enough.... but there aren't enough people who really *do* care.

    About human kindness putting food on the table, that is.

    Still, 15% Finder's Fee is far better than the 100% Finder's Fee someone pulled on me when I lost my wallet in the back of a cab years and years ago. Learned an important lesson that day: Never leave foldable money in your wallet. And to date, I have not lost anymore month's rent since. An expensive lesson, but still one well-learned.

    Still doesn't excuse the mercenary attitude the fucking plaintiff pulled in this article's story though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:37 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    We got a 10% of the value given to the finder as a norm. But I don't think you can do anything if they don't pay you.

    I believe I heard Touhou was created by one guy alone. And only because he felt like doing so.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:07 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't feel very sorry for the people who lost stuff and had to pay. I have never lost my wallet or keys or in fact anything else important that I can remember. Why? Because if it is important I don't leave it laying about. People who lose stuff have only themselves to blame.

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    Comment by MoeMoeKyunBeam
    08:36 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    you set places on the table for your figures too?!!

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    08:45 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And what if you can't afford the table!?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    don't forget the miniature plates and utensils

    Avatar of Captain Obvious
    Comment by Captain Obvious
    09:31 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "And what if you can't afford the table!?"

    Then you steal a table and return it to the police in hope of a reward. Steal till you get what you want. Remember if you get caught and thrown in jail there will be butt secks and cock-meat sandwiches ready to order. Then you'll never go hungry or need a table and cell mates can be cool figures.

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    Comment by BlaqCat
    10:04 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait wait. But what if you "find" someone's car instead of a table? If you "find" someones lost benz you stand to make out quite well...then you'll have your table, and money to put food onto it (for you and your figures)

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    Comment by CoreFlood
    10:40 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i wonder if the saying "it's nothing personal, it's just business" would apply here ._.

    on the topic of the table, food for you and your figurines... you're also forgetting air conditioning, air filtration system, wardrobe and other necessities... shame on you

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:44 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seems like a trend in Japan, I'm sorry but some of the most outrageous news comes from Japan. Specifically their legal system. That bankbook, had zero value, if it was used it would be criminal. An act of a possible crime can NOT give something value, that's the opposite of value. To value a check book at the value of which is in the bank is ludicrous because the banks whole purpose is to safe guard your money, and to prevent people from taking the money who are not authorized.

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    Comment by LUMINCE
    08:12 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Greed.

    It is only natural for humans.

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    Comment by Captain Obvious
    09:21 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm laughing straight to the bank with this
    (Ha ha ha ha, ha, ha ha ha ha)

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    Comment by Yoshii-kun
    13:33 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    A greed with no limits

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:32 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If one random article on sankaku is enough to make you believe so, there's seriously something wrong with you.

    Avatar of Captain Obvious
    Comment by Captain Obvious
    09:22 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Holy Fuck"

    Indeed, another fucking from the law.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:33 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That finder is such an assbag. You return things in good faith, not return it and expect a wad of cash. May as well just steal that shit if he wanted money that badly.

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    Comment by izu taisa
    08:06 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    wtf.the owner should just report the loss to the bank and they will cancel the book and make a new one.or in japan it does not have the card loss policy apply to the book?

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    Comment by viewtifu1
    08:11 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    apparently not lol! might as well save ur money in ur socks

    Avatar of izu taisa
    Comment by izu taisa
    09:03 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    wtf.maybe this is y my grandparent moved into developing country.it has better n secure banking protection!

    Avatar of Frederica Bernkastel
    08:15 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There must be a reason why he didn't rewarded him...anyway, he learned a lesson =P

    Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji should be making the next season soon ... it was quite interesting/
    zawa zawa zawa

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:29 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Human kindness died with the advent of lawsuits and litigation.

    I tried my best to give your choking child the heimlich, he's a little bruised but he didn't die.

    500 lawyers line up in front of the kids mother to compete for the case.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What are you talking about? Human kindness is required by law now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:32 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well unless you display unwarranted kindness then you'll feel the cold boot of a lawyer entering your rectum.

    KO a man attacking a defenseless person: the assailant presses charges against you

    Help a child across the street: prison sentance

    Pull a man out of a burning car: Lawsuit for wrenching his arms

    Avatar of Sylar
    Comment by Sylar
    16:15 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And then people wonder why hikikomori's stay closed at home.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:58 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Chasing and subduing armed robbers after they just robbed you and your family: jail time for being a vigilante.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:12 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    truer words have never been spoken... how many times have you passed a person, say broke down car.. more than likely, just a broke car and need help.. but there's this worry in the back of ur mind that says.. what if they try to steal my car?? same for hitch hikers.... crappy world we live in sometimes...

    Comment by H-Ero
    08:32 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Note to self: Never lose anything in Japan.

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    Comment by Poisoned Cookie
    08:35 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No kidding! I'd have to calculate my losses before even considering trying to retrieve it.

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    Comment by Philosopher
    08:44 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fixed: Never lose anything anywhere like a total dumbass.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:01 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Would you prefer to lose your stuff in other countries, where it's as good as gone? If someone were to actually return it, that person immediately gets praised in the papers for his honesty. Now that's just screwed up, like saying it takes a truly special person to return lost items.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:33 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nor help little girls... nor look at them straight to the eyes... or sneeze... know what, don't go to Japan after all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:40 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No reward? At least give me some candy or a dinner and a movie.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:47 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Note to self steal someone belongings and report it stolen. get off Scot free and get paid for it.

    Avatar of g0rth0r
    Comment by g0rth0r
    08:47 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck yeah, Kaiji !

    Comment by Pyrolight
    08:48 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That is the most messed up law I have seen in awhile, and lets face it, if you spend anytime on this site that is saying something.

    Avatar of fxc2
    Comment by fxc2
    08:48 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wouldn't give shit for sure.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:57 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's a good practice to encourage people to be honest and return lost items. It's just unfortunate that it's bogged down by some details (i.e. working out how much something is worth).

    The owner of the bankbook should have at least offered something as gratitude. Not even a yen? C'mon, that's such a miser. If I find a bag of money belonging to him, I'll just chuck the whole thing into the sea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:28 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It isn't a bag of money.

    It's a bag of paper that has value until the guy tells his banker it's worthless.

    If he voids it then it's worthless.

    Would the extortionist want 5% of nothing?

    Avatar of Artefact
    Comment by Artefact

    It's an interesting issue.

    Logically in the case of such an item it should be worthless as the only way it can be exchanged for money is through prompt fraud. Thus its effective market value is much lower than any face value.

    Presumably they do not extend this treatment to credit cards, although there seems to be little reason why not if a bankbook is subject to the treatment.

    An equally interesting issue would be in the case of a security or title - if you lost 10,000 share certificates or the deed to a house, it seems you would have to pay a percentage of the value, but these are non-liquid assets - how would someone pay 10% of the value of their property if the only way they could get the funds was by selling the property? Would courts force someone to sell their home or company so they could pay a finder's fee? Even if the deeds themselves were worthless without the proper documentation?

    Possibly this law is not as well thought out as it might be in such cases.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:05 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Problem is that something like that worked in a Japan that is drastically changing.
    With their economy going down the drains, I wonder how smart asses can bend laws like that to exploit some innocent people.

    It's already happening with girls threatening to accuse men of sexual harassment on trains and stuff.

    World is changing, and unfortunatelly the japanese culture will be forced to adapt to it eventually.

    I only hope it doesn't get to the sueing levels of Amorica

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    Comment by drunkspiderman667
    09:11 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    seems like a good law to me.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:24 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If someone found his car keys and brought them to the police. Would he have to pay 5-20% of his cars value?
    This law is badong

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:19 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    According to the article, yes. The part about figuring market value covers lost items.

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    11:29 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nah probably 5-20% of the value of the keys

    Avatar of Artefact
    Comment by Artefact

    If that were the case he would pay only 5-10% of the value of the paper bills in his bankbook.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:41 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    if i found a schoolgirl pantsu and return it, imagine the reward....

    Avatar of Frederica Bernkastel
    03:22 24/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Keep imagine those rewards...there are infinite possibilities, or at least that is what i would do.
    xD

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:38 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well gotta remember that Japan is an extremely capitalist nation so this is somehow not surprising.

    Talking about a way to make extra pocket change for someone's carelessness...

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    Comment by AJ12Gamer
    09:48 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This included ¥14,200,000,000 in cash, ¥9,700,000,000 of which was returned to the original owners, and ¥3,800,000,000 to finders.

    WTF?!?! Am I the only person who would think about keeping ¥14,200,000,000 in cash? (Aprox. $142 Mil USD) SHEESH! ¥3,800,000,000 ($38 Mil USD) to money launderer and ¥9,700,000,000 ($97 Mil USD) in my off shore bank account! HAHAHAHHA XD

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    Comment by Enan
    11:15 23/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think he meant the entire population during the whole year...





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