Top children’s charity Save the Children has explicitly called for a ban on loli manga in order to “protect sexual norms and morals.”
An excerpt from Save the Children Japan’s recently published memorandum on Japanese laws relating to child pornography and prostitution:
4. Regarding materials featuring non-existent children, considering the point of view that “sexual norms and sexual morality must be protected” and that “a healthy environment for youth to grow up in should be preserved,” we should think that a ban must be put in place.
A statement notable for not even bothering to pretend such a ban is intended to reduce crimes against children – it is instead merely based on the notion that some forms of sexual expression are morally wrong and must be banned.
Although generally perceived as a secular organisation campaigning for child welfare, Save the Children’s English founder Eglantyne Jebb was a zealous Christian who claimed Christ personally spoke to her on a number of occasions; her mental illness is usually forgotten in deference to her contribution to the creation of the modern extended childhood.
The group’s Japanese chapter appears to be aligned with a number of openly Christian or feminist “child advocacy” groups.
Their statement also cites a publication by an EU alliance of children’s charities, eNASCO, which outlines their support for criminalising art they object to morally, which they call “pseudo-imagery” in an attempt to conflate fantasy with actual photographs of illegal acts:
For example, there are many child abuse images which are realistic images of a nonexisting child engaged in sexual conduct, or ‘pseudo images’.
These include non-photographic visual depictions of child sexual abuse (i.e. computer generated images (CGIs), drawings, animation) as well as ‘pseudo-photos’ or videos.
In our experience this type of material has clear risks insofar as it can form part of a subculture of sexual abuse material and if it is not criminalised the police are not able to seize the materials or disrupt the network of traders.
eNACSO consider that the existence of such materials allows offenders to deny and minimise the impact of sexual abuse and encourages distorted thinking about sexual crimes against children.
Furthermore, there is evidence to support the fact that photographs of children engaged in sexual activity are used for grooming children into child pornography, and that pseudo-photographs will also be used for this purpose.
However, possession, production and distribution of pseudo images is not yet illegal in many Member States.
RECOMMENDATION: All states should ensure that pseudo-images are made illegal.
It would appear the rights of fictional children now supplant those of real adults.
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Equality Now v2
Kill them with fire!!
No, kill them with logic. Kinda like in Fallout 3 when you explained to the computer that it was useless and was merely using circular logic to justify it's actions.
There was a lesson to be learned in Fallout 3, may it be realized and applied here....
Ah what the hell
/me passes around pitchforks, clubs, and lanters.
I love a good mob.. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!
In all seriousness, all of these accusations about certain types of works, such as loli manga, DO have some sense to them. It's just any group that acts on it gets smoke blown up their ass and attempts to launch a crusade against all that's unholy. It's not and won't ever be you read/watch therefore you are is the first thing. But secondly, while these asinine circle jerkers continue attacking fictional works, real children and teens continue to be exploited, raped, etc etc etc. Whatever happened to focusing on the mess at hand BEFORE even attempting to future proof something. Cart before the horse
-.- Fuckers. All a bunch of hypocrites
As I said before, morality depends on what the education system of a country does. Teach them what is morally right and chances are they will ignore loli manga and porn altogether.
don't blame the poor lolis for your country's immorality, we like lolis a lot, but we don't go around fucking innocent kids, coz we know better the difference between fantasy and reality.
these people who call out to ban loli to save children are nothing more than hypos and assholes. Solve hunger and security first before trying to make lolis homeless you faggots.
on that note stop the HULK from fucking blossom, buttercup and bubbles first before you pick on asian lolis you hypocrite charity you. all you want is a position in society to wipe your asses at. bastards
what is moral? what is immoral?
You know the best proof that they are full of bullshit is to go and find all the people in prison for child abuse and ask them what loli manga is. 99% of them will have no idea.
yeaa
thats like blaming horror books for people killing people
You can't get those fem nazis with logic. They just ignore it.
Just look at the fact that Japan is one of the savest countries in the world for children and women, despite the abundance of pornography, real and/or drawn, of just about every imaginable "perversion".
Now look at South Africa. Rape is common there. Just about every girl got raped at least once. Guys get raped, too. Children and babies get raped all the time.
Alas, they have very few porn. Loli doujin at every corner? Nope, not there. What a surprise.
Considering all that you have to conclude that masses of fetish porn reduce sexual crime. Only retards and deluded phantasts won't come to this conclusion.
No, Fem nazis ignore each information working against them. They ignore logic. They manipulate statistics. They lie. They decieve. That is how they work.
There is only one solution.
The fem nazis need to be killed. All over the world. I sure hope the killing starts soon. They did enough damage already.
Comming again from oversea (or almost it)...
Let Japan in peace!
Idea: tell the "researches" the fem-nazis are whales (it's easy, they already have the looks).
of course they ignore logic(actually they don't have good logic as men do),bring up bogus information,limit freedom of speech and break the first amendment when you say something bad about them,but if anyone else says something against them or if that someone is a man he would be suddenly called misogyn and his comments and scientific data will be deleted and he will probably lose his job(well it all depends where he is),but they can say all the words and hate speech they want without being limited and also the false information.
I think one boy was disciplined at a school for saying they should kill hookers to keep the money,reffering to the gta game.
Man speech opressed,they say it take it like a man,which means pussy.Men need to stand up and get their balls back and have a spine
Women hate speech and misogyn comment and violence against men supported by your society.It's all justifayable becouse of the past -_-.
Double standart for women is the sickness of society becouse they let women to that to them,if only they knew how to be fair.
i dunno, maybe loli manga should come with a notice saying ´´child abuse r teh bad´´, sorta like cigarettes come with a ´´smoke kills´´ lable attached.
that way everyone wins, the feminazis feel like they accomplished something and we get to keep the delicious cake.
@ Schrobby:
I don't know, that might solve too many problems in the world at once...
Fem-nazis (Thats who you're after), overpopulation (There are a lot of them from what I hear), censorship on everything (except maybe violence, considering that without, possibly even with government approved crusades on them everyone will say violence in the media caused this)
Do you really wanna deal with all that goodness at once?
Sure, why not? Away with the trash. Good riddance.
When you want to change society you need a revolution. That's the only way to achieve that goal.
All Hail Lelouch! ^_^
The "catharsis" argument that loli manga serves as an outlet for lolicon who might otherwise be drawn to real children is deeply flawed and you should not propagate it.
If you are making this argument, you have just conceded that lolicon fans are actual potential child rapists and the only thing stopping them from attacking children and fulfilling their disgusting lusts is a supply of vile pornography. All this suggests is that they should be locked up to prevent them committing crimes when they run out of manga. It singles them out as immoral perverts.
Similar arguments for violent games are never used. Playing violent games or watching violent media do not, it is said, predispose people to violence, nor do do they prevent violence by those who might otherwise do so.
"GTA helps prevent murder by keeping killers off the streets and letting them sim-kill at home" - I think not.
You should stick to similar arguments to those used in similar debates, based on freedom of expression and there being no demonstrable causal link between media usage and behaviour. Otherwise you are simply propagating a harmful fallacy which only harms the people you are clumsily attempting to defend.
correlation does not imply causation.
then again, that's the basis for a logical argument, and these people do not argue logically.
It's kinda like arguing with an 8 year old, or a retard, or an 8 year old retard.
The thing that doesn't help is manga fans, loli manga or not, tend to be, well, fanatical, and that doesn't help the cause at all.
Fire? Too fast...
better this way: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/12/03/ling-chi-death-by-a-thousand-cuts-in-pictures/
when harpoons, airstrikes and nukes fail bring in the low orbit ion cannon :D
I'd skip all that needless stuff and fire an anti-matter bomb, finishing them off once and for all.
NO STOP IT
Kill them one by one with doublepistols and a huge sword makes much more funn
while they protect fictional under age characters, there are thousands of real girls in muslim countries that need their protection, but I guess fictional people is more important
the two sides should ban each other right?
Lol Ion Cannon and anti-matter bomb... they need a Final Spark in their faces!
big super weapon is too fast n efficient. Kill them with spoon
A Love-Colored Dual Master Spark is better for them.... Bring out Loli-Yuka!
That said, I agree with Anon 21:41. Real people comes first. Can't they start with muslims insead or are they too afraid that they will get assassinated?
Next time these guys try to speak to politicians, I should show up and perform a Gaijin Smash on them.
Drown them then burn to crisp and at the end drown again in acid leaving everything with nice explosion with us peeing on their corpses for goodbye
No we should not kill them. Killing is wrong instend we should kidnap them and then make them into like lolis and shota.
In Soviet Russia, loli manga bans you!
cut this bs now
If you want to kill them, then go and actually get something done.
Don't be like 2ch who are just sitting on the fence.
Hunting season should be opened for them.
When all else fails, just bring in Shiki (Void) to finish the job once and for all.
Adds to his list of things and people to drop heavy objects from space on
Equality Now Subbranch
Sub-loli-branch you mean...
They just want monopoly on all loli manga when they confiscate
Equality Now 'kopipe'
Great. More "Save children" people who doesn't know how to work. Just what we need.
This eNASCO seems to have interesting members if they have personal experience of "pseudo-photos" being used to form a subculture of sexual abuse. An organization composed of ex-convicts?
eNASCO is that like a NASCAR?
lol thats scary, you took the words right out of my mouth. Vroom vroom~ <3
wait wait... so they're ex-convicts racing in NASCAR? o.O
Not just that, but racing nascar online, that's what the e is for. o:
more like NAMBLA
I would be laughing if it wasn't for the fact that I know that those maniacs are serious about this. Elsewhere they trying to ban video games with violence in it for the same reason. What a bunch of hopeless idiots. Can't prevent real crime, so they do this kind of shit to save face.
Hit the nail on the head. That is partially what this is about: they cannot prevent real crime, so they harp on this.
The other part is that they know that if they leave lolicon alone, people will start to see that pedosexuality is no worse or better than heterosexuality (inside or outside marriage), homosexuality, etc. and will start telling them "LEAVE THE CHILDREN ALONE! If they are truly being forced into sexual situations against their will, they WILL come and tell you! That they AREN'T and that you have to THREATEN THEM (sometimes with threats of killing them) into reporting these people shows that they are enjoying these things, or are neutral towards them at worst!"
Christians telling that child abuse is the worst?, oh the hypocrisy... Why not ban religious twats that abuse real life kids?, or better, ban the bible, it says that selling your sister is an act of "wisdom" and that changing your kids for goat is one hell of a deal.
^THIS
Also, why don't they get action movies and TV shows banned too? They portray violence and rape and killing and sex and are allowed to throw it at kids 24/7. What is the difference between that and loli manga?
TV's and movies are actually WORSE because they're videos and pictures of REAL people. Manga and anime are drawn so they still have that line between fiction and reality.
don't buy mass effect for your kids, it has a sex! get them MW2, cause you can slaughter 100s of civilians for the lulz.
alternatively, a manga called "lolipop" thats about lolis. or violent dragonball and naruto
worst case scenario;
sex influence = rape or STD(pregnant)
violent influence = (mass)murder or suicide
Since when did "Save the Children" employ Australians?
Take your ban back to your island!!!
Lucky Aussie censors haven't learned to read Japanese yet..日本語 FTW!
Actually, Mikorio, they're against violent movies and such as well. So you know that they're consistent at least.
Oh, what boring lives theirs must be without the access to imagination that the rest of us take for granted.
I bet their idea of sexual arousal is releasing inane statements to the public and watching what ensues in orgasmic delight.
Which is actually quite ironic when you consider that the children they're - supposedly - protecting basically have nothing more than imagination to get by in the world.
PS: Now this was a waste of perfectly good, articulate discourse (if I do say so myself). All these scum should get is a big fat "Go F*@# Yourselves!".
gotta agree with this,i find real porn sicker becouse it needs people and how they sometimes show it,lets not forget that it's possible to get stds and other infections and problems when real people make porn.
And what about drawings,no matter how they are drawn,they are still less disgusting then people,becouse it doesn't need anyone then lines connected with a drawing,technicly they are only objects and can't be called people.
Violence,Sex,and Rap In Movies=Sheer Brilliance
Violence,sex,and rap in games and comics=A big no no
-_- god these people are iggnorant there are worse things out there like I dunno real kids getting raped by people not influenced by Loli manga.I fear the worse equality now and them will merge to become one giant bitch of a company.
They want to protect imaginary children for "future" real children to grow in a "safe" world. This world is already a danger with your moral religious crap.
To quote the famous Carlin:
-Children are not our future. And I can prove it with my flawless logic:
Children CAN'T be our future because when the future arrives they won't be children anymore so BLOW ME!
R.I.P. Carlin, you who had such great sense of logic.
Because any crime can be justified by religion.
And any right can be penalized...
God owns your rights. God can take 'em away.
...
IT MAKES SENSE!
Pardon the expression, but amen.
All I have to say is... if the world made sense would we have conflict like we do today?
To me this whole issue of "morals" is another way of saying: "I think what you're doing is wrong therefore you don't have the right to freely express yourself."
... Something to that extent anyway, oddly enough if you think about it, it's because of their freedom to express themselves that they get to spout this crap.
If they seriously concede to these demands I wonder what they'd attack next. I swear it's people like these that caused the dark ages to begin with.
Morals do not exist in any innate sense, thus there is no ultimate morality. Morality is simply developed by societies and is necessary in order for them to function and survive. Not to say everything is moral relativism, as in no society would senselessly murdering one another be of benefit to the group as a whole. Religions simply took the morals of their societies at the time, added in a few things about praising their deity, and sold that as the ultimate morality that ALL humans must follow, and hence people led to believe such try to push it on others because they're convinced that they're correct.
Statistically, banning catholicism would prevent hundreds of cases of child abuse every year.
This comment x9000
Banning children from attending school would prevent many times more abuse cases. Read the papers and compare the number of incidents of teacher abuse with those of priest abuse.
Actually, banning all religion and corporal punishment would do that more.