An award winning light novel author coming upon their work being illegally shared online has condemned those who share works online as committing an act of “sacrilege” against authors, whilst encouraging readers to use libraries or second-hand bookshops instead…
The author, 葵東 / Aoi Azuma, explains in a blog post entitled “Please stop file sharing!“:
“My ‘Magical Ingredients’ (魔法の材料ございます / Mahou no Zairou Gozaimasu) novel series is available on file sharing services. [The author refers to download links/hashes for the Share P2P network visible in Google via an index]
66SFdjoc7x-san, please stop uploading them immediately.
If you want to read it for free, please use your local library.
I don’t mind if you buy it second-hand either.
Please stop this file sharing!
It’s sacrilege to the works and the authors.
66SFdjoc7x-san, you are an enemy of we, the writers.”
Of course, an author objecting to unauthorised scans of their work being distributed online for free is neither terribly surprising nor unreasonable (assuming they derive their income chiefly from the royalties from book sales).
However, the author unintentionally creates an interesting paradox by urging readers to borrow or buy the books second-hand – if the author cares about fame or pleasing the masses, then logically there is little reason to decry sharing online or off, whereas if money and sales are the objective, libraries and second-hand sales are hardly desirable either…
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because "legal" copy has nicer ring then "illegal" copy.
that, and lot of people buy what they shouldn't and never buy what they should. Such a sad world Japan has become... to the extent that creators become something that they don't even know what they're talking about.
Internet spreads trends and information, without it those would travel much slower, thus sales of goods, especially connected with entertaiment buissness, would definetly drop. Conclusion - internet pays off for piracy. Those kind of comments are just lack of insight and high level of pure human greed, which is common for piracy users, so we can assume that in favourable cicrumstances they would do it too. Answer to raged author: Stop whining and write more, bitch.
Yeah, I'm in that kind of predicament all of the time. For example, I shouldn't have purchased eight copies of "Endless Eight" instead, I should have purchase 200 K-ON! tissue boxes.
You are seriously asking for a tsukkomi, kind sir.
Online sharing is already same as library - one book bought, x amount of people reads it.
I think people reading stories or books online go to actual libraries or bookstores much more rarely anyways.
It's not the same, online sharing is one book bought, x amount of people read it -at the same time, anytime- and own it forever, where as with library only 1 person can be reading it at a given moment and he can't keep it for long.
Online sharing is not borrowing (nor "stealing"), it's unauthorized copying.
@Darkrockslizer: What a load of bollocks. You know what happens if someone reads something at a library that they really enjoy? They think "Hey I'd love to own my own copy of this".
And you do realize that libraries don't pay what we do, right? They have to purchase licenses from publishers.
If you want to equate it to something, it's the same as getting a book from the library then photocopying/scanning it and then handing it out. Which would look pretty dickish to anyone with a reasonable moral compass.
True, but it's not like a digital copy is "owning" a copy of the book. You can only physically read it when a computer/psp/similar divice is availiable. A physical book I can read anywhere I choose. Also, in most cases alot of readers would never be exposed to the material in a form they could understand sans online distribution and file sharing.
> And you do realize that libraries don't pay what we do, right? They have to purchase licenses from publishers.
The hell? No, libraries can and do use plain old retail copies.
and what about those of us hwo do not live in Japan and can't get those works in liberies or second hand book stores?
amazon.co.jp sends books overseas
japan as a whole doesn't give a fuck about foreigners. unless it has a direct impact on them they couldn't care less.
Many of those who download it wouldn't even know about the existence of that work if they didn't just found it in the Internet. And at least some of them would buy a real copy because they loved it. Good works will always get bought so they should stop this shit.I bought a ton of Evangelion staff simply because i love the show. And guess where i first found the episodes and saw it? Yeah i downloaded them. The fact that i have the downloaded episodes in my hard disk, didn't stop me from buying original DVD's and Blu-ray's of it. Why? Because i loved the show and wanted to buy the real staff. With out the Internet, Evangelion and many other anime that i bought things for, would have never made a buyer out of me because i wouldn't even know all those shows or how good they are.
Are there shows that i didn't buy and only downloaded? Sure there are, but if i didn't buy anything is because i didn't think they were worth to spent money on. So in the end if i couldn't download them i wouldn't have bought them anyway.
It seems to me that this author is afraid that his work is mediocre and that will become known through the Internet and won't sell anymore. P2P helps the consumers like us. It gives us the chance to see the work before we buy and buy only what we find awesome. And that's what they hate. They don't like the fact that they can't sell us there bad mediocre works anymore because of a tricky DVD cover.
In other words they don't buy what you think they should buy...
He's definitely contradicting himself there. Though I agree that pirating online is wrong.
I myself download a lot. I also buy a decent amount. I have just as many legally bought DVD's as I do custom made ones.
The common mistake anime/manga creators make is that every download is a lost sale. I've downloaded plenty of stuff I'd never pay a dime for. If I had to choose between getting it legally and not having it at all, I'd just not have it at all.
Now if I like one of those series, I can tell other people who will also buy it. Killing off P2P would be them cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Not quite.
If you borrow a lot of his work from the library then it is more likely the library will buy his future works or a few more copies of the same book to satisfy demand. Second hand books meant someone paid him first hand.
He gets paid either way but having it distributed online meant one person buy it and three thousand read it.
2nd hand books are actually quite a nuisance. Yes, someone bought them before hand but the fact that there's a copy floating around out there for re-sale means a potential missed sale of a new copy. The only possible plus side of 2nd hand books is that the reader might buy a new copy either if the used one is too battered or becomes illegible. In a perfect world, books would self-destruct once the consumer relinquishes ownership.
You realise people who sell their copies are likely to use the funds from selling to buy another books and things right? Second hand copies create new sales that otherwise would not have occurred.
And by downloading my books online, I can use the money saved to purchase and support the ones I feel are most deserving, shifting my spending patterns, but in the end, the same amount of money gets spent.
and moreover, if you can grab the book from P2P in the first place, you won't even bother about the thought to buy the book from store since:
1)it's more expensive (clearly)
2)growing collections eat more space (while P2P..meh, I believe those who used P2P will have at least 500GB of hard drive nowadays)
3)you're likely to read it again up to around 3 times before you already memorized what will happen in the next chapter
4)it's a pain to clean and maintain these books in their good condition (or you are those kinds who won't even bother to use one of the pages to wipe your ass)
@16:28
I buy manga because I like reading actual books, not squinting at text on my monitor. I also can't exactly bring my desktop computer with me wherever I go.
Books have a clear advantage as physical copies then digital ones. They are worth buying if you like that series (aka have checked it out online first).
The same cannot be said for DVDs, which I find quite useless in comparison to a properly compressed video file on my computer.
I would say the opposite - why would I squint at a tiny little hardcopy manga when I could read it portrait on a 30 inch monitor?
I don't buy manga because I will breeze through them in 10 minutes at the bookstore.
"Second hand copies create new sales that otherwise would not have occurred."
No they don't. I don't need to give my money to someone else for it to be able to buy stuff. I can just use it myself for that purpose.
Don't people know that authors gets compensated for libraries owning or/and loaning out their books?
It depends. That problem is anti piracy groups equate every p2p download with a lost sale, and so are able to calculate completely absurd numbers for the cost of piracy. Personally 95% off all the stuff I get by p2p, I would never see if I had to spend money to get it. Example; Nyan Koi, is it fun to watch, yes, would I buy it, hell no.
I use p2p to obtain anime, but still prefer to own the dvd's. Right now my 'to buy' list is Kannagi, Genshiken II and Evangelion I despite having already watched them. Before using p2p I would sometimes buy DVD's and ending up trowing them in the trash because I didn't really like the series anyway. But I don't think I spend less money on Anime than before.
Also thanks to p2p I have the ability to watch Japan centric anime like Bakemonogatare and Zetsubo Sensei that I seriously doubt will ever be released outside Japan.
He trying to get the hikkis to leave their house.
Screw that! Why would I want leave my dakimakura paradise?
Things that are shared online for free generate more sales. I thought that was proven a while ago. why are they still bitching about it?
Perhaps you can share your "proof" with us.
theres a ton of articles out there about this issue of free sharing. companies that accept the fact we're downloading them and make it easier for us to download and share gets more popularity and in the end makes more sales. its almost common sense.
A new study in the Journal of Political Economy by Felix Oberholzer-Gee and Koleman Strumpf has found that illegal music downloads have had no noticeable effects on the sale of music, contrary to the claims of the recording industry.
Music industry is one of the slower ones where they tried to keep us from downloading as long as possible and yet even theyre not suffering any loss in terms of sales of music.
Really, u don't say?
Really? When was the last time you bought anything you've downloaded?
Actually he make sense.
I bought some games after I pirated them. But only good games whose I liked enough to buy.
In this times I dont buy games whose I didnt tested before.
So many crap are reklamed as hits, so many revievers are paid to write hyper revievs plus completly lack of demos and one more thing. Most new games need patches. They are bugged and full of crap, bad optamalized etc.
Then if games is good and I liked it and it hasnt buggy I buy it.
Simple is it?
I'm going to have to agree here, I pirated a couple of games that were popular fairly recently and I'm glad I did instead of buying it right away.
I would've wasted at least $230 USD give or take >.>
But yeah if it's good enough to revisit more than once I buy things, but I always pirate first to try them out.
Agreed. some of the games i pirated, liked, and bought:
GTA4
Assassin's Creed
Unreal Tournament 3
Mirrors Edge
Settlers 6
Bioshock
Oblivion
.....
FF13 soundtrack
Versailles' newest album
a bunch of doujins
lol, way too many doujins actually. over USD$1000
Well, just so you know, *I'm* one of those people that like to try something before I buy it. I don't want to regret buying something, like wasting $15 on the crappiest food you've ever tasted. For example, I've watched the entire Soul Eater series through online fan-subs, but I'm still going to buy the DVD set when I can. (It's out now, but hard to find here)
To sum it up: As my spending money increased, my file-sharing decreased.
Good point. The way I see it is, "pirating" is nothing more than previewing the full product before actually purchasing it. If for example I don't like the product I simply delete it. Where as if I really like the product after previewing the full product I may simply purchase it (if funds allow).
ex: Cellador: Enter Deception, couldn't find the disk at any CD retail store, so I DL'd it. (not many torr's to begin with for this album.) But after I had previewed it and saved up the $12 for it I went to my local CD retail store and purchased a copy. Reason why? I like to support what I like.
I could have simply went to iTunes or some other thing like that, but DOWN WITH MAC'S!!!
Punctuation is clearly on your hit list, too.
Yesterday actually...I bought Muramasa despite the fact I've already finished over half of it with my downloaded copy.
I also own every Touhou (except 1 to 5) and only bought them after downloaded them and completed some of them.
I have more examples but I'm not going to bother naming them all.
I bought every volume of Berserk i could find despite the fact i first saw how awesome it is from scanlations in the internet.
I have a Crunchyroll subscription, but haven't actually logged on in months. I hate streaming and prefer to keep a copy, so I download all their releases from HorribleSubs/CrunchyRip.
But I still give them money because that's about the only way I can currently support the anime I enjoy.
>Supporting CrunchyShit
hahaha oh wow.
wait someone is willing to pay for stuff that was subbed for free? ~tries to contemplate the insanity~ anyways I don't believe in services who take a subbing groups work to post it and charge for it regardless of the anime or if they even did the work or not. thats even more bad then pirating the anime itself cause someone is actually making a profit from another's work.
You do realize that all the shows on Crunchyroll don't belong to them right, they don't buy the rights to them or anything.
Last year, Clannad After Limited Edition DVDs, a bunch of movies and PS2 games that I downloaded previously...
This year... Paprika Blu-ray Edition, more games.
Before that I probably bought many things just because I downloaded it first, but the list is to long for me to remember everything. Of course, it's a lot smaller than the list of downloaded things, but why should I pay for something that I don't liked or don't liked enough to re-watch/read/play?
Dance in the Vampire Bund manga, i downloaded them online to read, like it, and had ordered the first 3 books for the time being, more to come.
Manga aren't cheap, and storage space are obviously a problem. I wouldnt want to buy the first volume and leave it lying ard because I didnt like it.
I got Dance in the Vampire Bund 1 at a con a while back because the publisher was selling books for $5 each on the last day so they wouldn't have to ship stuff back. Best $5 ever.
I download new anime when it comes out in Japan, lots of manga scanlations and things of that sort, as well as galgames, and I buy quite a bit of what I see/read/play. If I like it, I support it. If I watch the whole anime, I'll buy it as soon as it hits the market over here in the US. If the manga comes out here first, I'll get that. Lots of times I'll end up with both.
I have a collection that's easily worth 10k from the last four years with manga, anime, galgames, and merch. I wouldn't have bought but a few of said titles (and probably just the manga, since I work at a bookstore and it's the cheapest thing for me at this point in time ) if I didn't download. I'm not wasting money on series that aren't worth my money or time.
Didn't one company say that the popularity of a manga online often dictates if it might come to america or not dispite poor sales in japan?
Last week I got Trigun, Hellsing and Tenchi Muyo OVA in the post.
Waiting for Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo and have Wolfs Rain preordered.
I have compiled a list of online retailers that carry the shows I've downloaded, and every month I order a few.
When's the last time I bought anything I've downloaded?
Last week. I bought a volume of Basilisk. I may download a crapload of stuff, but very little of it is stuff I'd pay for. And when I have the opportunity to do so, I buy it. For the simple fact that it's far more comfortable for me to watch an anime on my television (57" Mitsubishi DLP - 1080p HD) than to wstch it on my laptop or desktop.
Usually I'll create my own DVD's with the downloaded files, but I still prefer to have the official DVD.
Big Lots sometimes gets anime DVD's in for $3.00 each. When they do I usually buy everything they have. The problem is that they never have a full series. They have assorted volumes of multiple series. I create the DVD's to fill in the missing volumes.
I've got 2 bookcases full of anime DVD's. Over half of them are legally bought.
So don't sit there and assume people who download never buy.