Light Novel Author Rages at P2P: “Stop P2P! It’s Sacrilege!”

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An award winning light novel author coming upon their work being illegally shared online has condemned those who share works online as committing an act of “sacrilege” against authors, whilst encouraging readers to use libraries or second-hand bookshops instead…

The author, 葵東 / Aoi Azuma, explains in a blog post entitled “Please stop file sharing!“:

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“My ‘Magical Ingredients’ (魔法の材料ございます / Mahou no Zairou Gozaimasu) novel series is available on file sharing services. [The author refers to download links/hashes for the Share P2P network visible in Google via an index]

66SFdjoc7x-san, please stop uploading them immediately.

If you want to read it for free, please use your local library.

I don’t mind if you buy it second-hand either.

Please stop this file sharing!

It’s sacrilege to the works and the authors.

66SFdjoc7x-san, you are an enemy of we, the writers.”

Of course, an author objecting to unauthorised scans of their work being distributed online for free is neither terribly surprising nor unreasonable (assuming they derive their income chiefly from the royalties from book sales).

However, the author unintentionally creates an interesting paradox by urging readers to borrow or buy the books second-hand – if the author cares about fame or pleasing the masses, then logically there is little reason to decry sharing online or off, whereas if money and sales are the objective, libraries and second-hand sales are hardly desirable either…

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  • In capitalism, businesses either adapt or die. That’s all there is. You can block people from getting something for free, but you can’t force them to buy anything if they don’t want to OR can’t afford. You’ve got 2 options left : 1) Work harder, be more creative, get a better marketing team, try cutting production costs so you can lower the price, etc etc, in general rethink your business model, or 2) Die.

    Yeah, it’s unfortunate that many people lose their jobs when the market changes, it’s unfortunate businesses go bankrupt, but no business is eternal unless it adapts to the situation every time, so, unless you want to come up with a better ecomonic system, I suggest you start taking the good with the bad.

  • Is it me or is there a lot of self rightious idiots who think they know what’s killing the industry in this thread?

    Hey guys, in case you haven’t noticed. We’re in an economy recession? If pirating kills the industry it would’ve happend a long time ago. During recession it’s natural that all the none essential industries would suffer the most.

  • I think authors, specially small ones like this guy, deserve compensation for their work.
    To fight piracy, it’s important that they distribute free demos of their work. With a good free demo, there’s no excuse left for piracy.
    In the case of a writer, there’s no concerts or anything like that that provide a better alternative support than buying the retail product, so piracy really hurts them. Lending and borrowing is not comparable, because ownership is only temporary and located in just one person. That means buying still offers something you can’t get at the library or borrowing from a friend, which is permanent ownership. P2P offers permanent ownership, which is the second big offering of any piece of consumable entertainment (the first one being consuming the piece itself). With P2P there’s very few apparent reasons left to buy a physical copy.
    If you borrow a book from a friend(or library) you’ll read it, and if you like it, you’d consider buying it so you can read it all the times you want in the future. With P2P, you won’t consider buying, because you already have those benefits (you don’t have to give it back). People tend to forget authors need money to create more content or that they deserve it, so out of pure collectionism, someone who gets something for free from P2P won’t buy it, because he doesn’t feel there’s any good reasons to do so. A download usually doesn’t convert in a lost sale, but in some cases it does, and those make the difference for small authors.

  • Welcome to the 21st century, adjust or shut the fuck up.

    Hey I pay for my internet services, and I do NOT care to listen to futile arguments, explanations of legalities, and specifics only good for limited sums of nations.

    Adjust to the new reality, or suffer.

    • Well let me put you into reality mister or ma’am,

      Since you don’t care, hopefully you won’t end up homeless and lose your job. Everything in business is connected no matter how little of a difference. It may not be you that gets fired/homeless, but I bet you know someone that is. They’re probably living right next to you, across the street from you. Your g/f or b/f.

      And uhhmm…taking the words right back at you Welcome to the 21st century, adjust or shut the fuck up. Adjust to the new reality, or suffer.

      Hopefully this doesn’t happen to you.

  • The web is a library, the encyclopedia department is wiki, the novels section is youtube, the autobiography section is myspace, all the weird sections are in the #chan parts and the erotic section is the remaining part. For someone who writes visual novels one would expect a more lively imagination…ah well…explains why i’ve never heard of these works anyways.

  • Hmm. I don’t usually leech novels off sites, mainly because there’s too little for me to understand from directly reading it. My Japanese level isn’t high enough for me to survive walls of text, and because of that I often had to look at the cover to decide whether the certain title is interesting enough to just look it up over the Internet.

    Most of the time I’m quite lucky enough to figure out what the series I’m looking up means, even if it means leeching off a whole volume from the Internet. Maybe people would say “if you’re interested why don’t you just buy them? Get it and understand it later.” But nope, since I live with a very tight budget everyday and most often whenever I arrive at the bookstore I don’t have money to buy ’em. Might as well I get some information (and spoilers, since I look for them) elsewhere.

  • I can see why they prefer the second hand bookstore or the librarry. Each of those books was at least a sale before. But the online sharing creates hundreds of files digitally from just one book copy.

    At least Japan still isn’t China. Yet.

    • I’m surprise the whole world isn’t China yet!?!?

      But it’s getting close. Ever drive in your own downtown areas and notice all the business and the homes that are empty in the rural communities. It’s downright scary man… It’s like a ghost town, literally in all cities.

  • The funny thing is. I’ve started buying novels from amazon.jp after realising I can read one. The fist one was some scans occationaly downloaded via torrent.

    Also
    Right now I’m reading index and I can’t imagine doing it without constantly looking for kanji in “illegal” OCR on PDA.

    • actually, I think this is a good idea. those who download from P2P and thinks that his work is good can support him by donating. That’ll go directly to him without dividing it with his printing agency.

  • Maybe I’m just too young, but I don’t remember companies complaining when people recorded TV and movies onto their VHS, taped songs onto cassettes from the radio, or borrowed books from the library.

    Enjoying IP for free has been happening for a long time and has never destabilized the marketplace. The Internet just makes it easier; that’s all.

    Know what else the Internet makes easier? BUYING things. Affordable, convenient, quality content will always be the biggest best “weapon” against piracy.

    • Very much too young.

      From Slashdot article (http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/05/31/1622232) regarding the releasing of Jack Valenti’s full testimony to Congress back in the day:

      “‘I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.’ Jack Valenti said this in 1982 in testimony to the House of Representatives on why the VCR should be illegal. He also called the VCR an “avalanche” and a “tidal wave”, and said it would make the film industry “bleed and bleed and hemorrhage”.

    • Yep, you’re too young to remember the campaign against blank cassettes “because they’ll doom the music studio”. And if I’m not wrong, there even was a lawsuit against a radio for using too early music in it’s schedules. Anyway, it’s the same as always, people don’t like when other people have stuff for free… that makes me think, they only work for the money or because they actually like to draw and stuff?.

      • Ah, too young indeed then. I grew up on cassettes and VHS, but must’ve been too young to notice any controversy regarding them. I shouldn’t be surprised though.

        Regardless, it is, as you said, the same as always. People love to attack the medium – in this case the internet – but the “problem” has been there much longer, just changing form slightly now and again.

        For your last point, I think it highly depends on the content creator. Everybody wants money, we need at least a decent amount of it to live, but some people do indeed take it too far.

        • Killermanjaro says:

          No, your correct. They’re doing what they like, even if it is they’re job. But still stuff like this comes with the territory. They just have to get used to the fact that this has, does, and forever will happen.

        • Yes, you’re absolutely right on the first 2 paragraphs.

          Now, onto the third, imagine if a mangaka or such has a common job which gaves him enough to live comfortably BUT in his spare time he does what he likes doing best, make mangas. So, if he decides to sell this mangas and then see people get crazy for them (even in they are not paying like p2p) wouldn’t he feel satisfaction that his “hobby” is enjoyed by lots and lots of people?… well, guess I’m only a dreamer, sorry.

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    It’s a new economy…

    Frankly, I’m not for “Stealing” files per-se, especially AmeriKKKan music. A bank robber in his own way is a supporter of “The System” for he agrees with the banker the value of the money. A true radical tries to get people to go back to barter.

    I’m all for people bypassing, using the internet, the big companies and their high, fixed prices.

    However, we should pay for content we like. And that means directly supporting authors, artists, musicians we do like.

    I don’t know anything about this guy, his novels, etc. But IMO, any fan of his should contribute to him, say by sending him money or online donations. Paypal and there’s a new “Flatr” service coming from Pirate Bay creators…

    The real absurdity of today’s industry, esp Music, is that if you toss $1 or especially $5 into the “Tip Jar” of a guy playing a flute on the street, you pay him far more than if he was a “Pro” and you bought his $18.99 CD. Therefore, a “Tip Economy” could easily enrich the performers and the theft would only advertise it more.

    ———-Now, some sidebar….

    My opinions are mostly AmeriKKKan based. Long tradition of hatred of the “Big Companies” being from a “Folk” background. To me, the “Dark Ages” began when it became possible to record, mass produce and sell music, art, videos… Almost immediately (within a generation) those with “The Muse” went out of business by 95%, and those remaining only did so at the will of those that “Owned the Means of Production”. Generally, they just put out bland drek, once in a while eventually responding to overwhelming public demand, like in the 60s, but even then trying to undermine things.

    The “Bard” almost went extinct overnight. Lots of people used to just “Play music” not for fame or for their supper, but something to do once in a while that assumed ritualistic quality. This was extinguished by recorded music and TV showing it not being done except with very negative stereotypes.

    Now the music industry is crying that a new technology is “Stealing their music”… They laughed out loud and talked about “Industry and Progress” to musicians who couldn’t find work because people were buying early wax records and one act paid once could be sold many thousands of times.

    Right now it’s the worst and best time, for the mass communication and economic shock provide a lot of opportunity for those willing to make it. We need to make and sell a “new media” as an attack on the old. A standard computer now can out-do a $100K recording studio several decades ago for maybe a few hundered for new software and lots of “Free/Cheap” software out there also.

    —-Anyways, I posted a partial “rabid manifesto” because I’d like to hear some comments from the Japanese perspective…

    Did your culture face a ‘slaughter’ by the big corporations cherry picking things?

    Did you have good artists, good musicians, etc. “Blocked out” not necessarily for what they did, but just because enough “Jobs were already taken” so they’d even make their own records at their own cost, but could not have them played on the radio, sold in the record stores, sold in catalogs, no matter how good?

    And are you using the internet as an alternative to create a “new media” that’s creator centered and only cares about individual interest rather than a big company’s profits?

  • Dear blue east-side moron… Do you know about Lars Ulrich, more specifically the reason everybody hates him?

    The biggest mistake is in the last line, where you claim to speak for authors in general. Go fuck yourself.

    Not to mention, “sacrelige”!? Narcissism anyone?

  • This could have nothing to do with whether it’s pirated or not. The author could simple wish that the readers view the work in it’s intended form. The pride of an artist, so to speak. Scans are often shabby at best

  • The difference between downloads and second-hand books is that downloaded files can be multiplied to infinity, but books can’t. It’s not the same to share one book that won’t bring money to the author and 1,000 books that won’t bring money.

    I guess…

  • if people like it, they will buy it, if they dont, they will not.

    not a law but a tendency, also quite a fact.

    a good example is haruhi, but that could be called brainwashing since they can sell E8 dvds as if they were unique episodes

  • Yep I can see his point. I can’t post and quality drawings (not that I have any) or high quality pictures of custom works due to someone swiping it and saying its theres. Even copyrighting the photo or story doesn’t stop someone just changing 1 color and saying its theirs then selling it to a calender photograph company.

    For the little guys who don’t have a giant company protecting their works it must be hard to submit a lot of work for publication. I wonder how many other stories and creation works are out there that will never been seen because of exactly what he said.

    Now put yourself in his shoes, 3 years work totally original characters and design and story line as unique as can be, you publish it, next month you see 11 websites in 48 different countries selling your works and you don’t get a dime. How would you respond?

    • Killermanjaro says:

      I’d respond /RAGE but that stuff has happened to me already (thank you Romania…assholes) but I got over it. I saw it this way.

      1) My work is being posted everywhere and for anyone to view

      2)I have watermarks strewn about on my works that are hard as hell to get rid of. So even if your good at PhotoShop your still going to ruin the original image.

      3) Shit happens in this world every day.

    • I’d like to point out that there’s a difference between filesharing and reselling plagiarized commercial work for a profit. The former generally increases sales as demonstrated by previous articles. The latter obviously decreases sales, as it acts as direct competition. Piracy is the former. That is what the guy in the article is objecting to.

    • Pirating arguments are done to death but, a few points:

      Piracy is a form of free advertisement, resulting in more sales. (I have purchased many things that I had previously pirated because I truly enjoyed them and wanted to support the creator)

      Piracy is now very deep in the culture of the young consumer generation. I don’t personally know anyone that hasn’t broken some form of copy write on the internet. (in b4 you don’t have any friends)

      Regarding the previous point, attacking piracy on any serious level is pretty much attacking your fanbase. Shooting yourself in the foot. Any company that went on some anti-piracy crusade I would fully boycott and encourage others to do the same.

      There is no solid proof that piracy negatively effects sales. (prove me wrong)

      Money aside, pirating gives more people the ability to experience your entertainment. People that wouldn’t bother otherwise, or are too poor. This should be a good thing to all but the most money hungry producers.

        • Sega representatives clearly stated that they haven’t sold enough copies of the console and because of that they decided to stop producing it. How can you pirate the hardware?

          go on youtube and search for History of Sega Dreamcast, that is a documentary about Dreamcast.

        • How the fuck do you obfuscate such a simple thing? Are you dyslexic? I’ve seen all this already.

          I didn’t say people were pirating the hardware – people weren’t buying the software because you could easily go on P2P networks and download/burn the entire library (there were a bunch of websites dedicated to this, too). This was a well known fact before the PS2 hype.

        • It seems that you just listen to what other people say. Dreamcast did not die because of piracy, it died because a superior and cheaper console got on the market and that console is Playstation 2. Playstation 2 killed Dreamcast not piracy.

      • When’s the last time I bought anything I’ve downloaded?

        Last week. I bought a volume of Basilisk. I may download a crapload of stuff, but very little of it is stuff I’d pay for. And when I have the opportunity to do so, I buy it. For the simple fact that it’s far more comfortable for me to watch an anime on my television (57″ Mitsubishi DLP – 1080p HD) than to wstch it on my laptop or desktop.

        Usually I’ll create my own DVD’s with the downloaded files, but I still prefer to have the official DVD.

        Big Lots sometimes gets anime DVD’s in for $3.00 each. When they do I usually buy everything they have. The problem is that they never have a full series. They have assorted volumes of multiple series. I create the DVD’s to fill in the missing volumes.

        I’ve got 2 bookcases full of anime DVD’s. Over half of them are legally bought.

        So don’t sit there and assume people who download never buy.

      • Last week I got Trigun, Hellsing and Tenchi Muyo OVA in the post.
        Waiting for Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo and have Wolfs Rain preordered.

        I have compiled a list of online retailers that carry the shows I’ve downloaded, and every month I order a few.

      • I download new anime when it comes out in Japan, lots of manga scanlations and things of that sort, as well as galgames, and I buy quite a bit of what I see/read/play. If I like it, I support it. If I watch the whole anime, I’ll buy it as soon as it hits the market over here in the US. If the manga comes out here first, I’ll get that. Lots of times I’ll end up with both.

        I have a collection that’s easily worth 10k from the last four years with manga, anime, galgames, and merch. I wouldn’t have bought but a few of said titles (and probably just the manga, since I work at a bookstore and it’s the cheapest thing for me at this point in time ) if I didn’t download. I’m not wasting money on series that aren’t worth my money or time.

      • Dance in the Vampire Bund manga, i downloaded them online to read, like it, and had ordered the first 3 books for the time being, more to come.
        Manga aren’t cheap, and storage space are obviously a problem. I wouldnt want to buy the first volume and leave it lying ard because I didnt like it.

      • Last year, Clannad After Limited Edition DVDs, a bunch of movies and PS2 games that I downloaded previously…

        This year… Paprika Blu-ray Edition, more games.

        Before that I probably bought many things just because I downloaded it first, but the list is to long for me to remember everything. Of course, it’s a lot smaller than the list of downloaded things, but why should I pay for something that I don’t liked or don’t liked enough to re-watch/read/play?

      • I have a Crunchyroll subscription, but haven’t actually logged on in months. I hate streaming and prefer to keep a copy, so I download all their releases from HorribleSubs/CrunchyRip.

        But I still give them money because that’s about the only way I can currently support the anime I enjoy.

      • Yesterday actually…I bought Muramasa despite the fact I’ve already finished over half of it with my downloaded copy.
        I also own every Touhou (except 1 to 5) and only bought them after downloaded them and completed some of them.

        I have more examples but I’m not going to bother naming them all.

      • Well, just so you know, *I’m* one of those people that like to try something before I buy it. I don’t want to regret buying something, like wasting $15 on the crappiest food you’ve ever tasted. For example, I’ve watched the entire Soul Eater series through online fan-subs, but I’m still going to buy the DVD set when I can. (It’s out now, but hard to find here)

        To sum it up: As my spending money increased, my file-sharing decreased.

        • Killermanjaro says:

          Good point. The way I see it is, “pirating” is nothing more than previewing the full product before actually purchasing it. If for example I don’t like the product I simply delete it. Where as if I really like the product after previewing the full product I may simply purchase it (if funds allow).

          ex: Cellador: Enter Deception, couldn’t find the disk at any CD retail store, so I DL’d it. (not many torr’s to begin with for this album.) But after I had previewed it and saved up the $12 for it I went to my local CD retail store and purchased a copy. Reason why? I like to support what I like.

      • Actually he make sense.
        I bought some games after I pirated them. But only good games whose I liked enough to buy.
        In this times I dont buy games whose I didnt tested before.
        So many crap are reklamed as hits, so many revievers are paid to write hyper revievs plus completly lack of demos and one more thing. Most new games need patches. They are bugged and full of crap, bad optamalized etc.

        Then if games is good and I liked it and it hasnt buggy I buy it.
        Simple is it?

      • theres a ton of articles out there about this issue of free sharing. companies that accept the fact we’re downloading them and make it easier for us to download and share gets more popularity and in the end makes more sales. its almost common sense.
        A new study in the Journal of Political Economy by Felix Oberholzer-Gee and Koleman Strumpf has found that illegal music downloads have had no noticeable effects on the sale of music, contrary to the claims of the recording industry.
        Music industry is one of the slower ones where they tried to keep us from downloading as long as possible and yet even theyre not suffering any loss in terms of sales of music.

    • It depends. That problem is anti piracy groups equate every p2p download with a lost sale, and so are able to calculate completely absurd numbers for the cost of piracy. Personally 95% off all the stuff I get by p2p, I would never see if I had to spend money to get it. Example; Nyan Koi, is it fun to watch, yes, would I buy it, hell no.

      I use p2p to obtain anime, but still prefer to own the dvd’s. Right now my ‘to buy’ list is Kannagi, Genshiken II and Evangelion I despite having already watched them. Before using p2p I would sometimes buy DVD’s and ending up trowing them in the trash because I didn’t really like the series anyway. But I don’t think I spend less money on Anime than before.

      Also thanks to p2p I have the ability to watch Japan centric anime like Bakemonogatare and Zetsubo Sensei that I seriously doubt will ever be released outside Japan.

    • Not quite.

      If you borrow a lot of his work from the library then it is more likely the library will buy his future works or a few more copies of the same book to satisfy demand. Second hand books meant someone paid him first hand.

      He gets paid either way but having it distributed online meant one person buy it and three thousand read it.

      • 2nd hand books are actually quite a nuisance. Yes, someone bought them before hand but the fact that there’s a copy floating around out there for re-sale means a potential missed sale of a new copy. The only possible plus side of 2nd hand books is that the reader might buy a new copy either if the used one is too battered or becomes illegible. In a perfect world, books would self-destruct once the consumer relinquishes ownership.

        • “Second hand copies create new sales that otherwise would not have occurred.”
          No they don’t. I don’t need to give my money to someone else for it to be able to buy stuff. I can just use it myself for that purpose.

        • @16:28

          I buy manga because I like reading actual books, not squinting at text on my monitor. I also can’t exactly bring my desktop computer with me wherever I go.

          Books have a clear advantage as physical copies then digital ones. They are worth buying if you like that series (aka have checked it out online first).

          The same cannot be said for DVDs, which I find quite useless in comparison to a properly compressed video file on my computer.

        • and moreover, if you can grab the book from P2P in the first place, you won’t even bother about the thought to buy the book from store since:

          1)it’s more expensive (clearly)

          2)growing collections eat more space (while P2P..meh, I believe those who used P2P will have at least 500GB of hard drive nowadays)

          3)you’re likely to read it again up to around 3 times before you already memorized what will happen in the next chapter

          4)it’s a pain to clean and maintain these books in their good condition (or you are those kinds who won’t even bother to use one of the pages to wipe your ass)

        • And by downloading my books online, I can use the money saved to purchase and support the ones I feel are most deserving, shifting my spending patterns, but in the end, the same amount of money gets spent.

        • You realise people who sell their copies are likely to use the funds from selling to buy another books and things right? Second hand copies create new sales that otherwise would not have occurred.

    • I myself download a lot. I also buy a decent amount. I have just as many legally bought DVD’s as I do custom made ones.

      The common mistake anime/manga creators make is that every download is a lost sale. I’ve downloaded plenty of stuff I’d never pay a dime for. If I had to choose between getting it legally and not having it at all, I’d just not have it at all.

      Now if I like one of those series, I can tell other people who will also buy it. Killing off P2P would be them cutting off their nose to spite their face.

  • because "legal" copy has nicer ring then "illegal" copy.

    that, and lot of people buy what they shouldn't and never buy what they should. Such a sad world Japan has become… to the extent that creators become something that they don't even know what they're talking about.

        • Many of those who download it wouldn’t even know about the existence of that work if they didn’t just found it in the Internet. And at least some of them would buy a real copy because they loved it. Good works will always get bought so they should stop this shit.I bought a ton of Evangelion staff simply because i love the show. And guess where i first found the episodes and saw it? Yeah i downloaded them. The fact that i have the downloaded episodes in my hard disk, didn’t stop me from buying original DVD’s and Blu-ray’s of it. Why? Because i loved the show and wanted to buy the real staff. With out the Internet, Evangelion and many other anime that i bought things for, would have never made a buyer out of me because i wouldn’t even know all those shows or how good they are.
          Are there shows that i didn’t buy and only downloaded? Sure there are, but if i didn’t buy anything is because i didn’t think they were worth to spent money on. So in the end if i couldn’t download them i wouldn’t have bought them anyway.
          It seems to me that this author is afraid that his work is mediocre and that will become known through the Internet and won’t sell anymore. P2P helps the consumers like us. It gives us the chance to see the work before we buy and buy only what we find awesome. And that’s what they hate. They don’t like the fact that they can’t sell us there bad mediocre works anymore because of a tricky DVD cover.

        • True, but it’s not like a digital copy is “owning” a copy of the book. You can only physically read it when a computer/psp/similar divice is availiable. A physical book I can read anywhere I choose. Also, in most cases alot of readers would never be exposed to the material in a form they could understand sans online distribution and file sharing.

        • @Darkrockslizer: What a load of bollocks. You know what happens if someone reads something at a library that they really enjoy? They think “Hey I’d love to own my own copy of this”.

          And you do realize that libraries don’t pay what we do, right? They have to purchase licenses from publishers.

          If you want to equate it to something, it’s the same as getting a book from the library then photocopying/scanning it and then handing it out. Which would look pretty dickish to anyone with a reasonable moral compass.

        • It’s not the same, online sharing is one book bought, x amount of people read it -at the same time, anytime- and own it forever, where as with library only 1 person can be reading it at a given moment and he can’t keep it for long.
          Online sharing is not borrowing (nor “stealing”), it’s unauthorized copying.

        • Darkrockslizer says:

          Online sharing is already same as library – one book bought, x amount of people reads it.

          I think people reading stories or books online go to actual libraries or bookstores much more rarely anyways.

    • Internet spreads trends and information, without it those would travel much slower, thus sales of goods, especially connected with entertaiment buissness, would definetly drop. Conclusion – internet pays off for piracy. Those kind of comments are just lack of insight and high level of pure human greed, which is common for piracy users, so we can assume that in favourable cicrumstances they would do it too. Answer to raged author: Stop whining and write more, bitch.

  • But at the same time, we have people losing their jobs. For Example, Borders bookstores were on the verge of going bankrupt this year…you know what I’m getting tired of explaining the same shit every week about piracy and online sharing.

    I don’t give a f*** anymore. Eventually we won’t have to worry about buying books or going to the bookstore or the library for that matter. Yeah the internet is expanding to many people that couldn’t get the chance to read these books, but at the same time killing the entertainment industry. Who gives a f*** anymore really. Nobody cares about supporting the Authors, nor the animators, the designers, the whole lot of them.

    Eventually we won’t have any Anime to look at anymore. It will be a domino effect of drastic proportions. Seriously again, nobody gives a f*** anymore, download to your hearts content, but at the same time a anime, manga, or a video game company is going out of business. The worst possible conclusion that people that work in these industries aren’t committing suicide by now. We’re really screwing up our own market if you don’t know the full economics behind it.

    I’m out.

    • LOL, from the way I’m reading it, it seems like the guy must be out of work or something to feel that way. These days it’s so easy to lose a job than gain a job. But you don’t see me quitting. I just have enough money to get a good finance going before the economy flipped. I feel what he’s going through. But you gotta look on the bright side, that everything is still here and things are trying to get the kinks back in working order.

      I agree with Anon 00:08 & I don’t think neither of you are wrong or right.

      For Anon 22:34, if you choose to respond. I’m more concern with mom & pop shops than big chain stores. Reality is hard, but we gotta live with it. I pray for you man/girl. Anon 22:34 needs some prayer. We all struggling, but we’re all doing what we can.

    • Just some dumbe moralfag with superiority complex who has no idea of what’s really taking place right now.

      Anime industry isn’t collapsting because people are p2ping their show. Rather they’ve been running out of fresh ideas for a while now. Quality been going down hill, and they’re losing fresh talents due to unreasonable low wage for animation staffs. (In contrast, American and western animators in general are paid pretty well.) More importnatly the same old cliche moe shit just isn’t selling anymore.

      People have been stealing movies for the longest time and is movie industry dying? Far from it. Same goes to books from popular authors remained popular even though there are illegal copies widely avaliable online. Borders has been on piss poor management for a while now so don’t even use them as an example. And don’t even bring up the video game industry, they’ve also been illegally shared for almost 2 decades now. And is it even close to dying? In reality the recession is a much bigger threat to these industries than pirating’s ever going to be.

      In the end, you just chose to believe the world’s creativites are ending cause some groups like RIAA told you it is.

      So yeah, feel free to not care anymore. Since you obviously don’t know shit. You’re out? (whatever the hell that supposed to mean, were we suppose to care?) Awesome, and take that self rightious ignorance with you. Since most of us actually look at the big picture over a resonable period of time before we form an opinion. And we rather not you sticking up the air with your stupidity.

        • Again, the keyword is ‘recession’. Kyoani seem to be doing well too but the rest of the Japanese studios still seem to suffer, why? Because of the recession, it accelerated the process of weeding out of the weaks. Studios who are strong(financially, talent, etc…) are still very unlikely to fail, even during recessions.

  • Stop equating P2P stealing with second hand, please. And it just sounds like the lamest excuse that people actually spread publicity of something when they lift it right out of the net. If they can experience it all for free, then why buy it? I just don’t buy the honor-system of people running out to buy things after they have already experienced it. I just don’t. Even with me, when I used to do the pirated stuff a lot, I never, EVER got it in retail.

    • Killermanjaro says:

      Ok, so you don’t nor won’t support the creators. I’m sorry to hear you. I dl stuff and if I like it I will get it retail. And the plus side is, if I have a retail tale copy after dl’ing it anyone who ‘might’ come after me (has happened once already) can’t do anything about it due to me already owning a retail copy. But then again its just me.

    • Basically every last cent of my income that doesn’t go to bills goes directly to anime, manga, galgames, and merch. I download all the latest series as they come out in Japan, and then buy them when they come here.

      My collection would not exist without being exposed to it before buying the stuff, because I don’t really have THAT much cash to be wasting on things I may or may not like.

    • Well, that might be the case for you, but there are several people – including myself – that actually do buy products (e.g. anime figures, DVDs, etc.) because they pirated them in the first place. Your self-centric comment merely proves that you are unable to conceive that anyone can think differently than you do.

  • An increase in secondhand book sales could help to increase the profit from sales of original books.

    Example:

    Case 1:
    x people want to buy copies of a book, used or otherwise
    n used copies of it are in circulation
    x > n
    all consumers are willing to purchase a book at full price

    Assuming that all used books are successfully located and purchased, n used copies and x-n new copies will be purchased.

    Case 2:

    x people want to buy copies of a book, used or otherwise
    n used copies of it are in circulation
    y people, moved by the author’s plea now want to buy used copies
    x > y > n

    If we assume that half of the people only willing to buy used successfully find used copies to buy, then we have:

    y/2 used copies bought by used-only consumers
    n – y/2 used copies bought by general consumers
    x – (n – y/2) new copies bought

    therefore there are y/2 more new copies bought in this case, due to the increased demand for the book.

    Hopefully this makes sense, since when I’m half asleep is probably not the best time to try to write about economics.

  • What do downloaders and pirates know about respecting intellectual property? For them, stealing other people’s hard work comes as natural to them as breathing. The writer’s plea will change nothing, until the law is improved.

    The writer’s comments are not contradictory. Although music, movie and video game companies prefer you buy new copies, they generally don’t object to the second-hand market.

    New books or books in mint condition in second-hand store cost as much as those in retail outlets. If you don’t mind a copy that had seen better days, the second-hand bookstore is a good place to look. Clearly, second-hand books aren’t for everyone, or else the market would have grown as big as Borders or Barnes & Noble.

    As for libraries, well, it’s a community service. You don’t hear about tuition centers complaining about volunteers that give free tuition to needy kids, do you? Moreover, the markets that a libary and a book store serve are quite different.

    • “and video game companies prefer you buy new copies, they generally don’t object to the second-hand market.”
      Ahahaha, that’s just because they can’t do shit about it. XBone tried to kill off second-hand market and we all know how that ended this time, but that won’t stop them from trying.

    • “What do downloaders and pirates know about respecting intellectual property?”

      You, sir, have insulted me grievously.

      People who are not pirates buy the things they enjoy. When piracy is not an option, money is given out of necessity.

      As a pirate, the world’s intellectual property is open to me. I don’t have to pay for things I can acquire otherwise. So when I buy an item I want, money is not given out of necessity. It is given out of admiration and appreciation for the work that was put in by the creator(s).

      That is what I know about respecting intellectual property.

      • Actually here’s a fun little tidbit. I won’t delve into the details but let me pose this question:

        “Have you ever invited your friends and family to watch a movie at home with you and more than 2 people aside from yourself showed up to watch it?”

        If so, you sir have committed a copyright violation and in a way “pirated” said movie… Same deal with music, I know you’ve seen those people that crank their music on the bus or something and half the bus can hear it it’s so loud. To my knowledge those fun little FBI warnings and crap at the beginning of most movies only allow YOU the owner and only YOU to watch it, anyone else gets in on the fun and you’re violating the terms.

        In this day and age I wouldn’t be surprised to see people being fined and or jailed or slurping their soup… oh wait… been there done that

  • If I want to have a manga magazine or graphic novel collection, I’d purchase it/them either in person at a store or go to Amazon.com or eBay to buy one/some online, even second-hand copies.

    P2P’s DO take the magic out of manga fandom!

    Support our favourite manga artists!

    Buy or rent legal copies, not files!!

    • While I do buy manga, unless a series has been completely released in the US, I don’t buy it. There are a few exceptions I’ve made though. Perfect example of what I’m talking about. I bought the first volume of Foxy Lady when it came out. I liked it. That was over a year ago. The second volume is nowhere in sight and the publisher won’t respond to my inquiries.

      I went against my usual policy and bought the first volume of Millenium Snow last week. When I got home I looked up how many volumes it had, only to see it’s “On Hiatus” in Japan. Which is the universal language for “More than likely, this series will NEVER be finished”. Why should I waste cash on series I’ll never be able to read the end of?