Capcom has been banned from 2ch for spamming political messages decrying the possibility of affording non-Japanese residents representation in Japan’s democratic processes, a measure which looks set to pass despite howls of opprobrium from 2ch in particular.
Repeated posts of the following missive were reported as being abusive, causing 2ch’s coven of moderators to issue a blanket ban on the domain in question (capcom.co.jp), as is standard practice.
12 名前：名無しさん＠３周年[] 投稿日：2010/01/12(火) 15:32:42 ID:+EqKOmno
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外国人参政権反対署名（2箇所）
東京都神社庁 1月24日 必着
ttp://oniblo.at.webry.info/200912/article_4.html
外国人参政権に反対する会・全国協議会 公式サイト 1月20日 必着
ttp://www.geocities.jp/sanseiken_hantai/ネット署名の効果は非常に小さいので紙面での署名です。
現在署名数が少なくこのままでは可決は免れないとのことです！！
日本のためにどうか署名とコピペお願いします。
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“Nobody takes any notice of online petitions so please send them letters, or it’ll pass!”
The poster’s details:
名無しさん＠３周年<><>2010/01/12(火) 15:32:42 +EqKOmno<>★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★<>
<>gauze.capcom.co.jp<>219.101.226.2<>
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a. [IPネットワークアドレス] 219.101.226.0/25
b. [ネットワーク名] CAPCOM-NET
f. [組織名] 株式会社カプコン
g. [Organization] CAPCOM CO., LTD
m. [管理者連絡窓口] IY016JP
n. [技術連絡担当者] IY016JP
p. [ネームサーバ]
[割当年月日] 2002/08/08
Capcom, or at least an employee using company computers to post to 2ch rather than do any actual work, apparently feels strongly that letting non-Japanese permanent residents vote in local elections represents a dire threat to the nation.
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How would you feel if naturalised immigrants started undermining the state for the sake of simply want to belong to their old state which they should no longer have any attachments to for you are now to be loyal to your new country and nobody else.
That said, the Japanese should really drop democracy completely and let the conglomerates rule.
Hello no.
Japan is not democratic in any way. Their Prime Ministers are chosen from competitive pressures by the majority party. Banks and big companies have more political influences than the average voters. And yet, the majority of ordinary citizens don't give a serious issue on the politics.
Just because it has an elective parliamentary system, this doesn't mean that it is democracy.
"Banks and big companies have more political influences than the average voters. And yet, the majority of ordinary citizens don't give a serious issue on the politics."
How is that different from say USA?
I think now after thinking it(?)a little more that he must be trolling, just to get ppl name USA.
"that he must be trolling, just to get ppl name USA."
That guy mentioned about Japan because I don't think USA has a Prime Minister and he clearly wrote "Prime Ministers".
I'm sensing too much paranoid among Americans and that's the bad thing.
THe words: Prime Minister and President are generally interchangeable.
"THe words: Prime Minister and President are generally interchangeable."
Ok if that is true why do many European nations both a President and a prime mister?
You have just described 'Democracy'.
"Power to the People(who have the money)"
That describes USA also, among many so-called established democracies.
yea and the supreme justices just passed a bill with a 5-4 vote so that corporations and unions can give as much as they want to political candidates campaigns. they set a limit on it back in 1907 (i believe) for a reason! if corporations didn't have enough control before, they do now.
well that is a democracy, they are obligated to give the right to vote to their naturalized immigrants, and the thought of naturalized immigrants rising up to undermined the system is ridiculous. For that to happen you would have to have a completely totalitarian government system that oppresses and denies the rights that a democracy offers or have a unified populous that is SO ethnocentric that they would revert to middle ages idea of isolation which would hold back japan rather than make them prosper. NO nation can survive being isolated and ethnocentric.
Kind of what I already had in mind, though it's fairly to see where their fears are coming from. Just look at the havok groups like equality now seek to unleash (basicly attempting to kill free speech). I guess those are just the risks taken with democracy though.
code geass paranoia?
a little more complex than that... people are thinking in a paranoid protective way with their economy and culture...
IMO, depriving foreigns from any rights is crap, but even i strongly going aganist this, i have to recognize they have their reasons
Japan is an aging country, and way too well educated to handle raw work... so they need extra hands for less specialized jobs... it is totally wrong, but... well... it is happening
but what if the immigrants that came looking for an oportunity and end up in "lower" jobs starts to control the politics? they will want a better lifeand then, a productivity crisis rise...
Besides, japan have a population proud of their past and culture... there is some resistance in accepting big cultural differences, and foreigns always bring that...
USA and other american countries were mostly "free" and "young" nations so they're more inclined to accept foreigns.
USA does a good job on making new people moving there feel like they belong but USA it self is a nation built by all kinds of people that moved there not so long ago. USA is a multicultural nation. Also they haven't got any real culture that they will be afraid of ruining.
They are a modern nation with very little history. Japan is an old nation with a strong culture and way of living. Also there existence isn't built on different foreigners building the nation, so as an old country with a specific kind of people for many years it's more natural for them to be not so accepting to new strange to them elements.
Europeans are probably trying to balance this out. They are not as friendly as the US but a lot more friendly than Japan despite the big history many countries have. Still they haven't found the magic solution since they often have problems with minorities, racism and displeased foreigners working as poor labor.
When you have a strong culture, heritage and a body of people it's only natural that you want to protect it because that's who you are. It's like the soul of your country. It's hard for you to change who you are and maybe you don't even want to if you like who you are.
USA is just a newborn, it's still growing and forming, it doesn't have an ID yet, so it can accept everything.
Or someone who doesn't believe in democracy, religious freedom and religious freedom could immigrate to your countries in large numbers... idiot. But yes, most immigrants to Japan believe in democracy and human rights.
If a mexican takes a test and becomes a US citizen he can vote, probably the same as any other country.
Japan has pulled some bullshit moves to fuck over their immigrants.
If you become a citizen in Japan you can vote, this is local government votes for permanent residents (who aren't citizens). The reason they don't just become citizens is because it can take over a decade for the government to decide you're worthy of being called a Japanese citizen.
Based on your writings, you seem to think that 'foreigners' voting to change *anything* in their new country of residence (Japan) would be "undermining the state".
Do you think 'foreigners' would use their newly-acquired power-of-the-vote to pass to send in bulldozers to smash up your shrines (that's currently the responsibility of corrupt Japanese politicians and construction companies), confiscate your swords and guns (that's currently the responsibility of the Japanese government), create special agents to check your residence for valuables and spy on your life (that's currently the job of the Japanese police and the eighty-gazillion surveillance cameras already deployed in Japan), 'steal' your culture (you already export much of it), and oh, gods know what else?
Let go of your fear, young grasshopper (it's so relaxing when you do).
The U.S. has given naturalized citizens the vote for years, and it's caused no problems.
Yes, the u.s. ist that kind of place where it doesn't matter who you vote for. In the end it's predetermined by people in charge who will be next or what will be happening next.
I'm no japanese, but even I can see why they don't like giving such privileges to foreigners. It's just wrong, foreignes should at most work in the country and then leave. By no means should they be allowed to reproduce, as it will only fuel conflict. There is a saying in my country: "Big fences create good neighbours". The neighbours may come to visit, but they aren't allowed to stay forever.
So you want them to do all of the work, get shit pay and accept that?
Why not just let the aging geezers drop dead and conquer the country of defensless loli?
No one says they have to do the work at those conditions. (But if they want to, who are we to stop them?)
Foreigners could be really smart people, too. Like engineers, who want to work some time in japan.
I don't know about anyone else but I would rather nobody in a country have guns. No need to protect yourself with a gun if nobody else has one either. Yes someone somewhere will probably somehow be able to procure a gun, but I hardly find that enough of a reason to allow everyone else have a gun as well. This is hardly the main point of your topic but it is something I think Japan has right. Plus, I would hate to see people like Equality Now allowed more ways to come in and change things.
Guns are there for people to protect themselves from the government, and for people to protect liberty and rights if they are endangered. This is the only way for citizens to protect from the tyranny of the government.
"You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one."
-- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug 1993
japan is a constitutional monarchy
Uh can some explain to me what this means?
Lots of big words
Big-eyed people are bad. We'd rather die than let them save our plummeting population.
Thanx =)
Most likely immigrants to Japan do come from other east Asian countries. Without too much understanding of democracy. Not westerners.
Executive summary of the issue: "We don't want those dirty Koreans and Chinese voting in our elections."
Oh thank goodness then
Non-japanese residents aren't allowed to own real-estate/house or cars but with the new bill they will be allowed to vote.
Non-Japanese residents are most certainly allowed to own real-estate, houses and cars. I have two of them and another NJ in Hirakata has all three.
Nonsense, NJ living in Japan are free to own all three.
What's "NJ"?
Non Japanese?
::sigh:: And this is why people need to investigate before accepting rumors as facts.
I don't get it. Isn't it natural that if you're not a citizen, you don't get to vote in federal elections? Or does this have something to do with the difficulty in obtaining Japanese citizenship? I mean at least where I'm from, if you want to vote, become a citizen. Though, here it's not that difficult if you've been living here for an extended period of time.
That is true.
But citizenship in Japan is hard to obtain, especially if you're not from the surrounding Pacific-side countries.
My point exactly. By definition, non-citizens can't vote. If you gave them citizenship, don't whine that they use their newly acquired political rights. If you don't want them to vote, you don't give them citizenship.
What the fuss?
I'd like to know as well, would it be laws that treat them as if they are natural citizens? Tax laws specifically?
Permanent residents are basically equivalent to naturalised citizens in places like the US/EU, though it is still harder to get (and yes, they are taxed identically and can claim benefits/pensions).
Actual citizenship really means "becoming Japanese" ethnically, so this is only a realistic option for East Asians born and raised in Japan (mostly Koreans/Chinese).
Being "Japanese" is primarily a racial category rather than an acquirable legal status (US/Canada, etc) or an acquirable hybrid ethnicity (UK/EU). A non-Japanese "Japanese" would never be accepted as "Japanese" by the vast majority of the population.
And non-citizen permanent residents can vote in many nations.
Politics make my head spin........ in a good way.
And idiots on this site claim their not xenophobic... Yeah right.
Think of it like the chinese allowing americans to vote for the politician they like more. Or on Hong kong, atleast
Why not?
You realize that, in America, immigrants who become naturalized citizens are allowed to vote, right? This is more or less what they're aiming for in Japan. Please try to read next time.
Honestly, it's better if Japan stays this way than become another Sweden or UK.
Not really.
This anon speaks the truth. What eventually happens is that political parties will start catering to these groups, which most of the time naturally means letting more of their friends and relatives in...over time this becomes a party's main focus (see the Labour Party of the UK) and they rely on that voter base to win elections; it's very much self-perpetuating, and it will destroy a country over time as witnessed in the UK.
I don't know much about the modern UK. Is it destroyed?
Yes, it was destroyed at least 60 years ago.