Capcom: “No Votes for Foreigners!”

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Capcom has been banned from 2ch for spamming political messages decrying the possibility of affording non-Japanese residents representation in Japan’s democratic processes, a measure which looks set to pass despite howls of opprobrium from 2ch in particular.

Repeated posts of the following missive were reported as being abusive, causing 2ch’s coven of moderators to issue a blanket ban on the domain in question (capcom.co.jp), as is standard practice.

12 名前:名無しさん@3周年[] 投稿日:2010/01/12(火) 15:32:42 ID:+EqKOmno
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外国人参政権反対署名(2箇所)
東京都神社庁 1月24日 必着
ttp://oniblo.at.webry.info/200912/article_4.html
外国人参政権に反対する会・全国協議会 公式サイト 1月20日 必着
ttp://www.geocities.jp/sanseiken_hantai/

ネット署名の効果は非常に小さいので紙面での署名です。
現在署名数が少なくこのままでは可決は免れないとのことです!!
日本のためにどうか署名とコピペお願いします。
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“Nobody takes any notice of online petitions so please send them letters, or it’ll pass!”

The poster’s details:

名無しさん@3周年<><>2010/01/12(火) 15:32:42 +EqKOmno<>★★★★★★★★★★★★★★★<>
<>gauze.capcom.co.jp<>219.101.226.2<>
<>Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727)

Network Information: [ネットワーク情報 ]
a. [IPネットワークアドレス] 219.101.226.0/25
b. [ネットワーク名] CAPCOM-NET
f. [組織名] 株式会社カプコン
g. [Organization] CAPCOM CO., LTD
m. [管理者連絡窓口] IY016JP
n. [技術連絡担当者] IY016JP
p. [ネームサーバ]
[割当年月日] 2002/08/08

Capcom, or at least an employee using company computers to post to 2ch rather than do any actual work, apparently feels strongly that letting non-Japanese permanent residents vote in local elections represents a dire threat to the nation.


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    Avatar of Smiling Jack
    Comment by Smiling Jack
    12:45 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I bet whoever posted those messages would be pissed if he lived in the U.S. and he didn't have voting privileges.

    Avatar of VillainousHanacha
    Comment by VillainousHanacha
    12:39 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm noticing that some people have their legal terms wrong. This is talking about letting a "legal perminant resident" able to vote. This is different than a naturalized citizen. "Legal Perminant Resident" means you are NOT a citizen, you just can live in a country you are not a citizen of. In the US, the more common term for this legal terminology is a greencard. Just because you have a greencard, doesn't mean you can vote, it just means you won't be deported for staying years on end, and and you pay taxes to support your government. You must be a citizen, naturalized or otherwise to vote, and thats true in the US too. I feel that if you want to vote, you should become a naturalized citizen. It weeds out those who actually care about the country, and those just in it for their own financial benefit (In the US at least, people who don't have citizenship yet but are actively trying still count in the former catagory of careing. Those who are just content with a greencard and aren't trying for citizenship at all are what I mean by just careing about their paycheck).

    HOWEVER, in Japan, it seems that the government makes it very hard to naturalize, meaning you could be actively trying and spend many, many years in Japan with just a Japanese "greencard" (hell, there are so many cases like that in the states, expecialy in my hometown of New York City). But, instead of letting "Legal Perminant Residents" vote (which I believe shouldn't be happening) the Diet should focus on making the naturalization process easier, therefore rendering the need for "Legal Perminant Residents" to vote null and void.

    Avatar of Artefact
    Comment by Artefact

    Try as they might the government is not going to be able to make the average Japanese see a non-Japanese as "Japanese." The conceptions of citizenship (which is essentially legal concept only in Japan, as you can only really be born and raised Japanese) are quite different. Residency is the only way they will enfranchise any immigrants.

    Avatar of VillainousHanacha
    Comment by VillainousHanacha
    13:45 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I do realize this, and what I stated above is only an idealized solution. The base problem is that the cultural and legal definitions of a citizen in Japan are often crossed, and one in the same in many people's eyes.

    Maybe I shouldn't be talking, coming from a country with no real racial or cultural traditions of it's own, and from a city where a good deal of it's residents are either 1st generation immigrants or "fresh off the boat". Maybe I would think different if I had centuries of directly traceable history behind me. Maybe I would feel different and instead of being 4 ethnicities in one person, I was purely one race, and I actually had a language, a culture, and a strong tradition behind me, so I actually felt like I had a place to belong. Maybe, in essence, we Americans are the weird ones, the odd men out. And we are the ones who actually need the reality check, when we think everybody else needs to catch up to us.

    Maybe, maybe not. Maybe these are just idiotic what if's, dreamed up by an overly indulgent 18 year old who feels like he was disanfranchised for some stupid reason, even though he was brought up well enough. Or maybe, I'm on to something, and what I'm saying is worth something.

    You be the judge.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:14 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I'm glad someone understands why the United States is very unique in regards to its cultural diversity and its history. Or rather, its conglomerate of "histories" combined in a cross-cultural storybook of sorts.

    Either way, only citizens should get the vote; immigrants and permanent residents need to become citizens to vote. It's not really driven by xenophobic intentions (though I'm sure it is), but rather common sense.

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    Comment by motaku96
    11:08 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow...2ch being troll/spammed by capcom.

    Avatar of ntbxp
    Comment by ntbxp
    07:58 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I read about it.

    Japanese opinion is this
    "If you want suffrage, get naturalized!!"

    Yes. Japan gives suffrage for naturalized foreigners.
    (Naturalized I understand something like as "becoming japanese".)

    This law, what I understood, is about give suffrage to non-naturalized foreigners.
    that means, you can vote despite you being foreigner and not naturalized.

    This maybe problem if have some troublesome neigborhood.

    Avatar of ntbxp
    Comment by ntbxp
    08:09 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/04/21/votes-for-foreigners-whips-up-storm-of-xenophobia/
    here and ctrl-F "Anonymous Japanese" and you will see the their defences.

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    07:57 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Unsurprisingly, they are the same people who made this.
    [http://img2.pict.com/91/a9/be/2561651/0/regionfascism.png]
    Let me just read that aloud for those on the blog and not the forum.

    WARNING
    This game is for use in Japan only.
    Sales, export or operation outside this country may be construed as copyright and trademark infringement and it strictly prohibited.
    Violators are subject to severe penalties and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    So basically, even though Japanese games and movies are about as expensive as it gets in the world, they don't want you importing them and likely paying more, as much as they don't want you pirating.
    If has no economic benefit for them to promote this message, and yet, it's right up on there on their Japanese games.

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    Comment by TehBoringOne
    23:05 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That legal thing is common in arcades and is like an analog to region locking. There are versions of it for North America, the EU, Asia, etc. Your argument is misinformed regarding this image. There is, however a "For sale and use only in Japan" message in game packaging. However, they don't enforce it. Why? They sell a little extra.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:59 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Legal stuffs. Whether or not it's actually enforced is a different matter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:09 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's the thought that counts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:51 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i guess the reasone could be that if foreigners vote it might result in a permanet ban for things like hentai, fanservise and everything else that a foreigner might find disturbing in some way.
    But who knows....

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:14 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I love how pissed off everyone gets about this. I bet at LEAST half of you don't even live in Japan. And besides, it's talking about permanent residents. Meaning, people who aren't technically citizens; but just happen to live there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:34 24/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ye gads, you're a dense one.

    First of all "AT LEAST half"? No shit, Sherlock. I doubt even a tenth of the people posting here live in Japan, if any at all. What difference does that make? Does one need to live in Myanmar to be against the junta there?

    Also, you're completely missing the point and probably haven't done any research on this matter. You think people who live there, work there, pay the taxes, but don't have official citizenship shouldn't vote. Now, normally, this wouldn't be a huge deal if it wasn't so ridiculously hard to get official citizenship. THAT is where the problem lies.

    Avatar of 国之常 さくら
    Comment by 国之常 さくら
    00:34 27/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Japanese spirit is not an accessory to gussy your own learning.
    But the Japanese spirit means national spirit which flames and explodes being confronted an aggression by enemy alien.
    http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm2873368

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:42 12/03/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

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    Comment by Anonymous
    10:39 24/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have an idea! We should ban black people, Asians Hispanics, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, and Slavs from voting!

    WHITE AMERICA!

    Avatar of ntbxp
    Comment by ntbxp
    07:07 28/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    See the all imigrants in America.
    They have suffrage? No? Can you tell to me why?

    If you want to satirize Japan with this commentary, give to all humanity in anywhere in the earth the right to vote and being voted in your country, with no restrictions.

    Sex, religion, Black, White, Cyan, Magenta, Yellow....
    These have no value to decide if this persons have right to vote or not.

    If you have loyalty on the country what you are now, where you borned and some bureaucracy (naturalization.).

    That is what counts to decide if you have right to vote or not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:03 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why is Capcom doing this? Leave such stuff to the President.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:01 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think foreigners voting at another country makes no difference.. Anyone will just vote for someone they think will be a better speaker

    Avatar of ntbxp
    Comment by ntbxp
    04:22 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You don't know but in Japan have REALY HUGE AMOUNT OF FOREIGNERS, at majority of chinese and korean.

    Chinese and Koreans hate so much the japan.

    Well, Thinking the vote as a key, for who do you will give the key of your house?

    For someone very friendly and what you have confidence?
    Or for someone what would like to see you dead?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:28 24/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If someone was living in my house, working for me, and paying the rent on time, then I sure as hell would give them a key even if they don't like me.

    Seriously, how many terrorist attacks has Japan had by zealous Koreans/Chinese?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:36 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Interesting that the link in that post by the Capcom employee is to the Tokyo Association of Shinto Shrines.
    The Shintoists have made a stance now against foreigners voting (and married couples having different surnames).

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:23 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ya best be trollin'.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:42 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    NON CITIZENS

    This cannot be stressed enough, this bill is meant to allow foreigners WHO HAVE NOT BECOME CITIZENS not only voting rights, but the right to partake in government offices.

    I don't understand why everyone's so butthurt about being left out of the Japanese government when A. half you don't even there, and B. Not even your own country allows it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:18 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is about permanent residents being given the right to vote in LOCAL elections. It is NOT about national government, nor the right to be candidates for office.
    Citizens of countries Japan does not have diplomatic ties with (i.e. North Korea) will not be given the privilege.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:03 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Permanent residents are permanent RESIDENTS. They live there, they work there, but as they have not yet become a citizen, their status is on the level of an immigrant. Which means, why the heck are they getting to vote?

    Still, being a citizen in Japan, no matter how hard that is, cannot change preconceptions based on physical appearance. If they're racist before, it'll take years/generations to change that notion.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:46 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Vote in your own country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:52 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lots of people everywhere don't want non permanents voting in their countries. How is this different?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:58 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You want to vote? Vote at the country you were born in!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:13 23/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And that will benefit the person where he lives, how?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:32 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think people should have the right to vote wherever, whenever and however they fell the desire to do so.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:09 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    To all the idiots that thinks "foreigners should be allowed to vote because it's their natural born human-rights" bullshit, think about this way......

    LOOK AT ALL OTHER COUNTRIES THAT DID THAT. The UK? Well, theres the loli ban. Ban on this, ban on that. The USA? Well, theres the frequent censorship, you end up with your soccer moms, your FCC, and those bullshit. You start getting more black people, and fat people, and all sorts of other ethncities into japan...

    Do you REALLY want jpn to end up like all other countries?? I like Japan the way it currently is BECAUSE of it's unique-ness (I know, that's not a word...).

    Not EVERY country have to be like the US you know. Let other countries run the way they want to. Jpn is the way it is now because they were able to isolate themselves with too much foreign influence.

    Hell, just look at what happens when FOREIGNERS do get a hold of Japan for just a while, look at the Rapelay and Equality Now fiasco. Look at the relationship between the US military and the neignboring villages.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:36 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    and how does censorship link to foreigners voting again ? you could at least try to make sense

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:02 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    More foreign influence=more foreign ideals seeping into other countries.

    And I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out where that leads to.

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    Comment by ntbxp
    08:45 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Vote is power to change the ideal of nations.

    If you give the suffrage for foreigner, it is giving to foreigner the right to change the nation what he is living at moment.

    "Japanese dont have right to decide how the culture of japan will be!! This deserves for foreigner!!"

    The problem is:
    The obtain of suffrage will be piece of cake on japan for non-naturalized foreigners. Easy mode.

    In USA, you have to get the GREEN CARD and go to ARMY. Lunatic? No. It's "CAVE'S LAST BOSS"!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You really think foreigners were the reason for the loli ban in the UK? I'm pretty sure the natives disagreed with loli too.

    The USA is practically the land of the foreign, look how many native Americans (or "Indians") are left. Blacks are the problem? No, look at the white blight.

    Allowing Japan to isolate itself from other countries will fuck itself over. It has fucked them over before, and it sure as hell will fuck them over again if they try.

    If your country significantly lacks diversity (ie. next to none), soon enough, the chick that you're banging could be related to you in some way.

    Oh wait, maybe that's why Japan is so fucked up and likes incest so much. I mean, they have isolated themselves before.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:20 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't justify Japan's willingness to stay Japanese with racist intentions. It's just the same as Britain's wish to stay English, France's wish to stay French, and Russian's wish to stay Russian.

    In other words, get out.

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    Comment by Gitami
    10:32 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Aren't the soccer moms the white middle class church going sort? And those ban on this and ban on that, ban on loli are the sort who clings to conservative values. Those who want to preserve their cultural identity are likely conservatives and white in European related countries. of course there are the progressive banners who want to ban things for being pc.

    Japan can do what it wants but find someway to be less insulting in their discriminatory practices.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:09 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I suppose that htey have too many clients
    TOO MANY
    so... let's help them

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:09 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    America is made out of italians, irish and blacks.

    So what are you talking about? Who would you allow to vote, native americans only?

    hohoho.

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    Comment by erochichi
    12:11 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You forgot 50 million Latinos.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:19 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thought I saw a white European guy somewhere. He was trying his level best not to offend anyone or be politically incorrect.

    He vanished into midair when he realized that his very existence was offensive... I sort of miss the chap. I think his name was America's Spine.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:10 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's not racism, it's nationalism.

    That's even worst in my book.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:40 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan's sex industry is horribly racist, 99% of their blowjob bars (pink salons) have no gaijin policies.

    It's a sad fucking country when a foreigner can't even pay for a blowjob.

    I seriously hate japan, the country is fucked up, thats why I can't stand all these western japonites that hangs on sites like this one who worship everything japanese, wait till you've been discriminated against and you'll soon lose your pro japan dick sucking attitude.

    Come to London, where I live. If you want sex they don't give a shit where you're from as long as you have the money.

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    Comment by erochichi
    12:08 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Or get mugged from your money in London.

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    Comment by Artefact

    What's left of it after you've paid 50% taxes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:58 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    As racist as that may be, think about it for a minute.

    WOULD you pay for sex? From a Japanese woman, no less?

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:12 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The UK might not give a crap what colour you are, but seriously they would ban sex if they could.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:24 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sex industry, eh?







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