Square Enix: Final Fantasy XIII “Last of its Type”

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In what may be a tacit admission that the Final Fantasy series has become too staid even for Square Enix, CEO Yoichi Wada has said he thinks the company needs to move on from the established Final Fantasy formula.

In his recent Edge interview, he has this to say:

That period [the start of franchises like Biohazard and Metal Gear] really set in stone a certain style of Japanese development, which some might say has reached its culmination with Final Fantasy XIII.

How do you think these kinds of big-budget, long-in-development Japanese games stand up in the current climate?

I believe Final Fantasy XIII is going be something special, and that it’s going to be well received by the audience.

But whether we are going to continue to internally create this type of game remains to be seen, because I actually feel that the team that was involved with Final Fantasy XIII should next move on to create and generate some ‘next generation’ forms of play.

Internally and externally I feel there’s an expectation of Square Enix to offer something new, and I really think that the Final Fantasy team could create something completely different, but at the moment they’re strictly catering to the particular audience they have now.

Combined with his admission that he would consider having Final Fantasy titles developed overseas, and that he is personally a fan of western games, to say nothing of sacking large numbers of Japanese employees whilst procuring a western developer, it appears some big changes may be in store for both Final Fantasy and Square Enix.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    02:25 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How long did it take them to realize this again?

    We've done the FF thing. Many, many times. When you try to use a franchise as a cash cow, you kill it, that's just how things work.

    Now then, remember those experiments you said you wanted to avoid? The ones like WEWY? Yeah, get back to them. Because those were actually good.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:26 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wada says that they need to move onto something else with FF, people like Inafune says the Japanese gaming industry is dying, we're all saying jRPGs are getting stale, and those are reasons for Final Fantasy to change according to him?

    I have two words (well, three):

    Dragon. Fucking. Quest.

    Still the biggest seller in Japan. Still practically EXACTLY the same since the first game.

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    Comment by cats
    02:10 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Put the effort into it like they did with 7 or 10 and it could work.

    Create crap like everything in between and after them, and you get the same results..

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    Comment by shoranhimura
    01:31 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    western developers + square enix = doom?

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    Comment by ImBZppl
    04:20 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well with XIII released before XIII versus combined with all the negative feedback from how it is too linear and a few other problems that currently slip my mind i hope they wont make the same mistake on versus

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:02 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final Fantasy XIII was just a bad number is all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:52 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well i hope Final Fantasy doesnt change sides to the West, or Hollywood would probably buy it over first

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:56 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    whats with all these 'how crap is final fantasy XIII' topics? no-one cares in reality

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:08 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't take this seriously, its just wada rambling.

    He's not a game producer, so he had jack shit to do with game development.

    As long as new FF games sell millions, there is no need for change.

    There is nothing wrong with tried and tested game design, not everyone wants a revolution.

    Not everyone wants to be a casual wii gaming twat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:54 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Dear Square-Enix,

    Thank you for releasing Atlus' Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4 in Europe (even if I don't live there). You guys could learn a thing or two about developing good console games with them, something it seems you have forgotten how to do.

    Best Regards,
    Anon."

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    Comment by ntbxp
    22:43 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think next FF will be full action based because turn battle is too much unreal and boring for western.
    (Despite for japanese, western FPS is boring clicking game. Too few FPS made success. And when the thing is too hard, they simply stop to play because they play for fun.)

    Maybe it will be a Legend of Zelda style with tons of muscles.

    ...Why western is wanting realism in fantasy?

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    Comment by Severon
    23:51 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    no way 13 is a bad number

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:11 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wouldn't mind if they ended the final fantasy series and started working on something new, but it can't end with this as it's final game. They should go out in a blaze of glory

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:34 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    IMHO they shouldnt have released xiii in just japan first, it would be better if they just simultainously released it, bad feed back from jap earlier is just going to kill the franchise all together

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:49 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Final Fantasy series is getting stale, they have to move on to a totally new series.
    I personally enjoyed the FF series back in the PSX system (especially FF9), they come up with real neat FANTASY world and deep storyline..
    Ahhh.. Such a good old glory days.. :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:36 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its not that FF is getting stale, i think it has something to the w/ the character design, i mean come on look at them, they dont look like anything you want to root for

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:11 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah that's what I'm trying to say, not to mention with the creative fun factor inside the earlier series. I don't get that feeling anymore by playing the later series..

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:00 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not sure what to think here. Whether they change FF to a different kind of game or stop the FF series altogether to start something new, it would be a stupid move on their part.
    FF is one of the most well-known franchises that even people who don't play the games (or games at all) know what it is. And if they change the series to something new, it wouldn't be FF anymore. It would be just like Street Fighter 2010.
    If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out AVGN's review on it.
    Either way, I'm scared for SE.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:43 25/03/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    well 13-3 i a timed game which make no sense what so ever with FF which lives off of endless hours of gameplay i think instead of doing something else with FF they should toss wada out the door. since he'll only put Square Enix and FF down the drain at this point

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:07 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wada might as well be admiting hes about to get kicked off from SE....if XIII bombs word wide (or dont do as good as expected) his ass is fried.

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    Comment by Amadeviant
    04:47 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    EVERYONE, they made the CONSCIOUS decision not to redo FF7. These people have no intent to bring FF back to glory. Everyone refers to the FF glory days of 7-9 and maybe 10. That's where it stopped, that's where the glory stopped. 11,12,13 show the direction Sqeenix wants to go. They received a server crashing amount of e-mails on the topic and they're not listening. FF13 wouldn't be better if they overhauled the character models, nor would any other if they kept the same standard for characters, while gutting what really counts, gameplay. Sidequests, missions, scandals (Aeris naked and not dead, sephiroth as a playable character etc...) And you intellectuals are crucifying the series based on character models??? The direction they want to head is action rpg (or just action) which is a travesty considering FF was designed and acclaimed as an rpg.
    I would personally pay 200 u.s.d. for a ps3 ff7 remake. Many people would. They don't care though. They are announcing that they plan to kill off FF as it once was.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:18 26/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Here's an idea. Anyone here play Valkyria Chronicles? Anyone else think a Final Fantasy in that style might work?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:46 13/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How about a new parasite eve? That series hasn't been touched for years.

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    Comment by OtakuNes
    04:46 18/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    IMO this doesn't sound too bad. They have been going at the rpg game for years and quite frankly destroying almost all other competitors. If XIII turns out to be an amazing game and receiving even half the acclaim that VII did it would be a fitting end to an era.
    I don't think they would give up on RPGs all together but they definitely need to focus on other projects. Square-enix probably realizes that they have a market that they haven't even touched and they could make into a beautiful thing.Also if their objective is just to put to rest FF and focus on other RPGs then that's cool too. Their RPG game is on point and they'll be able to show other games the same care that they've done with their flagship series. Hey maybe they'll finish Kingdom Hearts 3.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:53 21/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Square not Milking FF for all its worth? I find that hard to believe. I think such a notion would backfire, since I think we'd get more crap as a result of western development (especially considering how the aim to get purely western views)

    I doubt this would mark a return to the grand creativity that Square had in the Playstation era (which gave us various games like Einhander), since let's face it milking FF for all its worth makes more money than being creative.

    Maybe it's the partial realization that their attempts at mass marketing FF is starting to backfire.

    And to think FFXIII is an upswing in the series. It might be just as well considering how the original producer left square lately. All empires must fall after all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:10 22/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sounds good. Maybe they'll try making an ACTUAL rpg too, that would be nice.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:07 24/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If FF is going to be made in the USA, sign me up for a job!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:13 03/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Basically I'm going to say what a lot of fans have had on their mind for years but haven't gathered the courage to say what needs to be said....and that is Square[soft] undeniably has went downhill ever since merging with Enix. It has. The ultimate culmination of this fact is presently seen. You cannot, absolutely cannot, have a single, company-founding game in development for the better of 5 years and be THIS detached from the core of what your audience wants and what you ought to know what is required to make a masterpiece. It's embarrassing, delusional for all the factional teams involved in the development, and downright grounds for a serious internal review of design using 1997 as a ground zero template.

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    Comment by tyciol
    19:26 07/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    A big issue is that the characters are becoming too human-looking. I think we all thought they learned their lesson from 'Spirits Within' when they went to do stuff like FF9 or 11 (10 sort of had the same issue but at least had badass 1-armed hellions and furries) but then they resort to the whole pop culture pretty boy stuff that's just not memorable.

    We get more attached to odd-looking sprites like in 4/6/7 don't we? Then even when the graphics get tailored up it doesn't matter since they're in our hearts.

    But when it looks like Advent Children to begin with, there's not a chance.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:06 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    7/8/9 were memorable because they had good story and what the latest FF games lack... freedom. Personally i liked Advent Children though but disliked Spirits Within :P

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:26 16/03/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh well it's about time, New franchises plz? no more sad ppl.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:03 29/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Essentially I think it meanswill go the same way as front mission series, what was once a good stratagy mech game they turned into lazy mans dumbed down kiddie action game. I think reading this FF will just end like a platformer or action game series from now on. Tbh FF13 to me imho felt more like action game than rpg was just too linear or more like you watching a movie where they throw you bread crumbs few minutes play between scenes before next part of movie plays imo.

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    Comment by ILoveSky
    15:31 16/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What a shame, Final Fantasy is awesome.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:59 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    True FF fans would never say shit ! u guys are just too gay and pussy to play FF.go play ur master in gay helmet and gears of gaytard.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:31 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dude, do you have any idea how retarded you sound? Read what you've just posted and reflect on your stupidity.

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    Comment by Bronxdragon
    19:56 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Square should have stayed Squaresoft they started getting shitty when they became Square Enix......you may just need to fire half your staff.....

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    Comment by Bronxdragon
    19:58 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Square enix should have stayed Squaresoft....I don't remember who the joined up with and I don't feel like looking it up but they just need to break off.....who ever they brought with them screwed over Square.....

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:58 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've never played Final Fantasy, and from what I've seen, probably never will. But those graphics, those girls, fuck! Want!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:43 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Last of its type"?

    That's a relief.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:24 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    well theres always versus xiii

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:27 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final Fantasy died after the mediocre FFX. Gone are the good old days...

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    23:34 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So I guess this means even less world maps, mogs, chocobos, medieval to Victorian era fantasy, Odin, Airships, Ultima and Holy spells, and every single other notable thing about Final Fantasy.
    And we'll never see the crystals, white mages, red mages and black mages again.

    And that means more belts and zippers, more childish main characters, sci-fi, ugly reptile races that look like the belong on Tatooine, boring political "plots", and every other thing that's been ruining Final Fantasy on further edge.

    Gosh darn it, why don't they just call it "Final Sci-Fi" now?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:38 10/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    uh, the games are pretty bad right now(10-13), if they add more action but with open world it could be a good move, the linears japs woulnd buy it tough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:34 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Amen, bro. (I actually liked the futuristic divergences of FF7 and 8 though, but after that.. Bleh.)

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:00 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They should have stopped making this kind of FF 5 FFs ago.....

    Oh and square has destroyed the FF franchise already...well considering it takes them 3 or 6 games to make a good one these days....

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:32 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thought FF was already going in a new direction with FFX.. And it was a direction I didn't like.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:15 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Amen to that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:54 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final Fantasy + Wii sports = teh HORROR TEH HORROR!!!

    What can be done to save FF? well for starters GOOD PLOT Writers... I am fucking tired of cliches...

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:03 10/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, due to the production cycles, every subsequent FF has usually been done by a different team anyway (sorta like the interleaved production of Treyarch/Infinity Ward-produced Call of Duty installments).

    That's also why no two subsequent Final Fantasy installments are similar.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:13 10/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "catering to the particular audience they have now"

    WAT did he just call us linear?

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    Comment by Spiderkid
    14:05 10/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Mmmm.. brown on brown third person shooter Final Fantasy complete with exploding barrels and QTE's. Sounds delicious.







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