France is set to enact a ban on “psychological violence” occurring between couples, with accusations of insults and verbal abuse leading to criminal prosecutions.
The ban, intended mainly to “protect” women from spousal abuse, would redefine rows between married and cohabiting couples as “psychological violence,” on the basis that “mental and verbal abuse” occur, causing psychological harm.
Even supporters of the law admit that prosecution would likely be based solely on the word of the accuser versus that of the accused, already a significant problem with crimes such as rape.
One psychiatrist supporter of the bill argues for it even if there is “no proof” of a crime, though she concedes caution is required:
“I think it’s important to have a law but it must be formulated so there isn’t too much risk of manipulation or mistakes.
I treat people whose lives have been torn apart but they haven’t been hit. There are no physical marks, no proof.”
She suggests that recorded phone calls and the opinion of psychiatrists could be used in place of traditional evidence.
She insists insults lead to physical violence:
“It’s a relationship which is based on control and domination – and if you want to prevent physical violence, you have to take action early on.
Even if there are no physical blows, it’s still devastating.”
A lawyer supporting the law dismisses the notion that there could be any difficulties proving guilt in such cases:
“There are other crimes which are also hard to prove, such as bullying or harassment in the workplace.
For a long time people said you can’t have a law against bullying because it’s too difficult to prove, but now there is a law and people get convicted.”
The ban is said to have a good chance of passing, being supported by the Prime Minister, lawmakers and feminist groups.
It seems broadening the crime of “psychological violence” to include criticism of groups and individuals is the logical next step…
Via the BBC.
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love is about making the 1 u love happy...
Yeah, that is completely true. WTF is up with the world today.
Now love comes with a hefty price, literally.
Whenever you see a french one just call him/her "gabacho" and get ready to laugh xD
What is love
Oh baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
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nanuchan I'm french and I really don't get what you mean by gabacho.. It's not even a french word.. -_-
^HAHAHAHAHAHAA
insults exist because theres no nice word for "whore"
Maybe "woman" no?
Some ppl ask for it.
Words can't describe the stupidity of some people, but this is bullying and spousal abuse we're talking about here, if it turns out that nothing is wrong they'll move on. Though it is a giant waste of government money.
That simpson episode where homer is censored in his own home with an airhorn because he can't say a certain word anymore doesn't seem so far fetched now is it...
That episode sounds interesting. I don't watch the Simpsons often, but I would be grateful if you could share the name of the episode.
the fcc episode of family guy, not the simpsons
its family guy...
So if I say my husband swore at me and treated me rudely , he can go to jail??? The fuck....whats up with the justice system lately???
I thought that women are supposed to be happy that they can now oppress men.
This is pretty stupid. Since there are women who are abusive like that. Do men get any protection from that?
ROFL, protect men? If you can't tell, the Feminazis run the world.
marriage is about making your wife's bank account happy
Love is about shutting your bitch mouth up and doing what I say.
how the mighty have fallen. the great inventors of the beloved french fry and french toast and french bread are now a bunch of commies. oh, well i think that was about as much good as we could ask from them. leave the advances in science and math of the european nations to germany and the UK.
fun fact: french fries and french toast have nothing to do with france
French fries are Belgians/French. Nobody can really come to a decision between the two.
I believe I read somewhere that women psychologically abuse men more than the other way around.
This is a great chance to incarcerate all those women who psychologically abuse their spouses and achieve greater gender equality among the prison population.
I agree. As long as this law applies to both sides, it might be good if frames correctly.
I agree. If this law applies to both sides and is framed correctly, it can be good as it prevents private coercion.
"...achieve greater gender equality among the prison population."
EQUALITY NOW!
Oh noes...
No more Tsundere!
Girl: Baka Inu!
Boy: I'll sue!
Damn...
Yeah, does this swing both ways? Or will it be another feminist only thing that guys have to put up with for shits and giggles?
Maybe they should ban brains. The politicians in France don't seem to use it anyway... ^_^
Or maybe natural life altogether, srsly people just HAVE to be protected from everything nowadays. We're all delicate flowers incapable of withstanding hardship of any sort without a net to fall back on apparently *shrug*
*signed in* ;)
Maybe they should ban women. Then law enforcement would be a lot easier, and it would be fair play most of the time.
This puts another dent into the concept known as marriage. If you can't take a little verbal abuse from the one you truly love, then why get hitched?
Only if the implementation is fair and by the way this all seems to be going already its probably just going to end being used as an oppression tool like all the others have.
We need a law against passive-aggressive behavior.
Ya reminds me of my Friend's Girlfriend. Any time she gets a little alcohol in her she starts throwing out the insults and the cussing, some times he'll say stuff back but only if she's really rippin into him. Then that's when the shit really hits the fan and she starts gettin physical, punchin, slappin; all that good stuff. He's never hit her back though. I've been witness to this countless times, in person and over the phone. I feel bad for him, but what can ya do?
Punch her back for equality?
Since if your a guy and did something like that it would mean off to prison,but the women isn't getting any problems.But not really sugesting this for a solution.
Anyway this is the best way to try it:
The way to get rid of this problem is to tell her when she is sober how dsyfunctional,unrespectfull and agressive she is towards him when she is drunk.And say change your ways,you shouldn't be drinking or it's fucking over with the relationship,he gives her a chance.Man need to get their balls back.
Or maybe he likes her that way,but i doubt that.He is just taking it all inside him poor guy ;(.
Yeah man, he's got to hit her back in the name of equality and justice!
I'll tell you what you can do. RECORD IT! Have as many videos of her acting this way -- and him NOT responding -- as you can, so that when she eventually tries to use the legal system to screw him over (by claiming that he hit her, or raped her, or whatever) that he'll have a slim hope of proving that she's lying. Otherwise, the legal system will be more than likely to believe her and send him to rot in jail.
If you don't think your buddy would go along with it, tape it without him knowing you're doing it either. You might be the guy that saves his life.
it's better to video record it.
Now judges can always actualy throw away the evidence you brought them against women and keep on protecting women since they are so tough(pussys)
record it and tell him he can now hit back
Boy: I hate you!
Girl: **insulted**
I smell instant fail.
Boy: Your face reminds me of my mom!
Girl: **insulted**
Girl: I support and am part of Equality Now!
Boy: **insulted**
Or does that work both ways? :P
Equality Now: All eroge players are rapists!
eroge player: **insulted**
Would this law still apply even if you're not in a relationship?
mmorpg:
player 1: OH GOD WHAT A FUCKING BUNCH OF BAD
FUCKING NOOBS
PLAYER 2
3
4
ETC: **Insulted**
I know insults are wrong and they hurt people pschologically, but it's still freedom of speech!
"I love swearing in French. It's like wiping your ass with silk."
-Merovingian (The Matrix Reloaded)
You can't go through life without being insulted. If you are going to be hurt or offended every time you are insulted, you might as well just go and kill yourself.
There's a world between insults and psychological torture.
that's why the quote is in the article:
“I think it’s important to have a law but it must be formulated so there isn’t too much risk of manipulation or mistakes.
I treat people whose lives have been torn apart but they haven’t been hit. There are no physical marks, no proof.”
Except different people have different levels of tolerance when it comes to being insulted. One person may be able to take any kind of insult (some may even take the insult as a compliment) where as another person may break down at even the smallest insult. It really depends on the person's mental stability.
I plead for more stable persons out there. I love to point out things I'm uncomfortable with. You got fat, even a cat can add 1 and 1, I think you're cute, but you're definitely dumb. Small things like that.
People need to deal with some words and it's really way to easy to abuse this kind of law. I admit there is such a thing as psychological torture, there really is. But I still think this is a step in the wrong direction. How about teaching children some morals so they can grow up to be fine adults who wouldn't do bad things on purpose?
reminds me of black adder :
Edmond : they say that verbal abuse hurts more then physical. Im going to prove it wrong by sticking this fork in your head .