France to Ban Insults


France is set to enact a ban on “psychological violence” occurring between couples, with accusations of insults and verbal abuse leading to criminal prosecutions.

The ban, intended mainly to “protect” women from spousal abuse, would redefine rows between married and cohabiting couples as “psychological violence,” on the basis that “mental and verbal abuse” occur, causing psychological harm.

Even supporters of the law admit that prosecution would likely be based solely on the word of the accuser versus that of the accused, already a significant problem with crimes such as rape.

One psychiatrist supporter of the bill argues for it even if there is “no proof” of a crime, though she concedes caution is required:

“I think it’s important to have a law but it must be formulated so there isn’t too much risk of manipulation or mistakes.

I treat people whose lives have been torn apart but they haven’t been hit. There are no physical marks, no proof.”

She suggests that recorded phone calls and the opinion of psychiatrists could be used in place of traditional evidence.

She insists insults lead to physical violence:

“It’s a relationship which is based on control and domination – and if you want to prevent physical violence, you have to take action early on.

Even if there are no physical blows, it’s still devastating.”

A lawyer supporting the law dismisses the notion that there could be any difficulties proving guilt in such cases:

“There are other crimes which are also hard to prove, such as bullying or harassment in the workplace.

For a long time people said you can’t have a law against bullying because it’s too difficult to prove, but now there is a law and people get convicted.”

The ban is said to have a good chance of passing, being supported by the Prime Minister, lawmakers and feminist groups.

It seems broadening the crime of “psychological violence” to include criticism of groups and individuals is the logical next step…

Via the BBC.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    08:38 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Why do I get the feeling that this law is going to do a lot more harm than good? Everyone says something they don't mean when they're angry.. then they have makeup sex for if (if they're a couple usually). Now people have to worry if they tell them something and that person takes it the wrong way and sues them. I guess in france you can just kill them though and say it was a "crime of passion" then get off.

    But however, banning insults? Isn't this something that leads to bottling up emotions as well? Does that mean you can't critize people anymore..? This seems like one of those bullshit handjob laws that politicians give chunks to the public to make them feel better.

    And it's suppose to help women? Are we suppose to believe women are so delicate if they're called a bitch that they'll be scarred for life? Is that the kind of equality people what? That's disgusting. I guess this is a law for everyone though.

    Let's see how long it lasts, or maybe in a few years it'll be one of those stupid laws you see like you can't eat ice cream on sunday afternoon or something dumb like that.

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    Comment by motaku96
    08:41 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's a nice idea trying to get at it early. But that's what couple counseling is for right? This is too impractical to be a law.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:41 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You know, at a certain point the vagina isn't worth putting up with all the rest of it. Women, men don't need you THAT much (well, as long as we have opposable thumbs).

    The best way to respond to this law is to not interact with women in any way at all, lest something insult her. Unless ignoring her is also considered under the law as being insulting! In which case, simply repeat "Bonjour!" to her no matter what.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:15 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank you ma'am. May I please have another?


    Comment by Anonymous

    Speaking to women without being a prick is actually pretty easy, you should try it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:31 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    In other news
    Marriage between men and women plummets. Marriiages with 2D spouses rockets.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:21 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Go France!

    Oops, I meant to say:

    Go away France! Far, far away.

    13:27 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    That has to be the stupidest law in history.
    Someone would have to have a lower glial cell count then a lemur to support such a poorly thought out bill.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:57 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So why the fuck don't they use their harassment laws instead of making new ones?

    Man, France is a shit country it seems.

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    Comment by Barbarian of Gor
    15:54 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And, what will this be other than another weapon in the hands of the "Modern Women who seek to destroy men" and the Corporation 1984 Big Brother working on getting an "Anti-Sex League" entrenched?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:32 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm insulted by the existence of the French.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:29 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is what happens when you follow feminist manifesto to its natural end; a police state that holds men to a different standard (unfair standard) than women.

    Europe's socialized medicine isn't such a bad thing, but the police state laws like:

    Banning violent video games for adults

    Three strikes your out (no internet for life) for P2P

    And a ban on even replica guns

    Has me saying no thanks to the social democratic countries of Europe.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:14 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's just laws... Don't be afraid, these laws almost never apply.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:53 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does this also outlaw criticizing politicians?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:10 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is possible to criticise them without using insults.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:14 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    hey Frenchies... Click this:

    Hehehehehe. Some day soon, that will be against the law.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:16 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Playing your average rap song in France will now generate about 32 lawsuits against you?

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    Comment by BlackEpsilon
    03:34 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can get behind that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:27 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Soon they will try to ban love itself.

    Sex will only be used for reproduction and robots will be introduced to satisfy all other bodily needs until a law is made to protect robot rights.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:18 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not knowing about this "law" (altough I'm french), I did some research only to found that the "ban" isn't sure to pass at all and that the law hasn't even been written yet. The guy (François Fillon) who proposed the law has been very clear that it wasn't about "mere insults" but real psychological violence (the article of the BBC provides an example) that can result in severe depression.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:32 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank you for being a rational human being, and not a whinning misogynist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:23 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just another silly law open to all kinds of abuse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:16 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Playing your average rap song in France will now generate about 32 lawsuits against you?

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    Comment by OTIKA
    04:18 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This coming from a world where real men are becoming a dying breed.

    For real men don't use words alone to convey their feelings, but through action. Words are just an accessory.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:25 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Welcome to the 21st century, my grunting, caveman acquaintance. Looks like men are going to have to act like civilised human beings, rather than continue being testosterone-filled meatheads.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:49 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What would Judge Dredd do?

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    Comment by Mikiway
    06:56 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry guys, but this is Bullshit.

    Although the law has good chances of passing because almost nobody heard of it, forget the "prime minister supporting the law" thing. This Prime minister is less than a presidents puppet: the President decides all, the president rules all, that's why we call him Nicolas the First and the press already call his son the Prince Jean (read Robin Hood again).

    By the way, the insults are already part of the french language, and the word "whore" is like the word "fuck" for U.S. Rappers... just a link between phrases.

    This well intended but useless law has good chances of changing nothing at all. And we have other issues here.


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    Comment by Ota-Kool
    07:16 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I know how about making a reality talent show FRANCE IDOL or FRANCE GOT TALENT to judge our fave judge asshole SIMON COWELL see if he can do what he usually do in France and got away from it!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:01 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I must say, the picture is cute though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:01 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


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    Comment by hurricane567
    05:23 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    05:33 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    How many revolutions do you French have to make before you realize your on a cycle?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    You mean "you're".

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:49 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I believe this law is an attempt to potentially criminalize _everyone_, at the discretion of the government, under the false guise of protecting the public.

    (At home, #1)
    "What the hell did you do to my Xbox 360?!"
    *zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    (At home, #2)
    "You loaned my Miata to your dumb-ass sister?!"
    *zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    (At a LAN party)
    "Ride my Quad-Damage Meat-Rocket, you raggedy-assed motherfucker!!"
    *zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    (On the street)
    "I don't have to say shit to you without my lawyer, pig!"
    *zzzert of Taser, then zikkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    (At home, #3)
    "Your hair? Oh, yeah. Well, it looks like you had it done at the Hollyrock Beauty Salon; did you always want to look like Betty Rubble's of the Flintstones?"
    *zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    (At home, #4)
    "You cheating little slut!! Fuck you, fuck him, and fuck your shit. Get the hell out of my life!! NOW!!"
    *zikkkkk of handcuffs - he's arrested*

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:17 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I believe you are exagerating the terms of the law. What they mean to criminalise the psychological abuse that causes trauma, not everyday insults you have mentioned.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:44 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So now adults can be "tattletales..."


    Comment by Anonymous
    12:49 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    listen guys I'm french and I've never heard about that...
    the only barely political stuff you can find in our newspaper are "a new song of the pres' wife just came out" or picture of them on holidays... ( presidential holidays are 32 weeks a year here )
    no, it's no like they do actual work ... I want to go to japan >>

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:17 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is completely messed up. This is the most ridiculious law i've ever heard about. God the world is definitely on it's way to getting rid of men.

    Hell this is going to be so messed up.

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    Comment by Kiljoy616
    14:36 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    When did you realize this, haha, another bad law to the books. I for one thing love is a joke, just have sex and move on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:12 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    so the french are banning...being french isn't all they do smoke not wash and ridicule others?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:26 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those are stereotypes, my friend.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:14 29/03/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nope, been there they really do have an odor about them as most of the population take showers and bathe less frequently as a way to save on water. Also dumbass take a class in psychology and you'll learn that most stereotypes good or bad have merit to them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:04 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pure idiocy. I hope it grinds their justice system to a halt.

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    Comment by Fonzer
    17:37 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    man french goverment people being affected by emotional irrational feminism too much.
    They truly want to show how tough they are protecting women,because i don't think this will help men when women start insulting too much and then they say take it like a man -_-(they mean pussy)
    Didn't know they had a bunch of pussified manginas in their goverment.Unless the law can actually be fair to both then try it.
    But still banning insults sound stupid,maybe they should make programs how to train people to do something themselfs in their relationship.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:28 22/11/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Work on your grammar, you misogynist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:18 09/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is a touchy subject. I understand and even agree that pyschological harm can be just as bad if not worse than phyiscal harm.

    That said, this is potentially a huge blow and problem to freedom of speech, something that is equally important to human mental health.

    This is not a black and white issue.I think it needs to be studied further for better decisions to be made.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:20 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    To state something else, "psychological violence" is a load of bullplop. It is meant to turn humans into weak-minded, whimpering idiots who shie away from even the slightest controversy or confrontation.... i.e. turning us into the slaves of government, which as an extreme liberal, I don't use that term very often!

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:26 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, as a French woman, I think this law could be good for victims. Really. My father kinda do that to my mother when they were married. He said everyday that what my mother did was no good, she was useless, she can't do something, even work... during 20 years. He didn't hit her but she died because of that. Depression and then suicide. I really, really think this law could be good.

    This is not a simple "oh you insulted me, I'll go tell the cops!" law. Arguing is normal in a couple but destroying somebody (woman or man) everyday is not right.
    I guess there will be something like couple specialists or psychoanalysts to determine if there is actually verbal violences.

    Et aux Français : regardez les infos de temps en temps, ça vous fera pas de mal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:28 08/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    what about men,there are more women then men,yet they are the most suicidal.Problem is that the male minority is treated like shit just becouse,most of the women are voters and can decide things on emotions,irrational things and everybody knows how wrong those decisions are and you want to force others to do things when you have such emotions.
    This law should be helpfull to men also,otherwise can it.
    It should be already canned since it's a stupid law.People have choices to leave a relationship or say something back.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:43 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tu reves, la... cette loi reste administrative et inapplicable. C'est avec de tels raisonnements que j'ai vote oui a l'Europe, et t'as vu le resultat?

    Les news? On les lit ailleurs.
    A trop regarder les infos on devient formate et on croit ce que le gouvernement nous dit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:03 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And there are ALREADY laws in France for those cases... and really, the person in question who is being 'torn down' by that, unless they are LOCKED IN A ROOM and HANDCUFFED TO A BED..... can LEAVE!

    Use the STONES and leave, or snipe RIGHT BACK at the person in question. Then, if that other person gets PHYSICALLY VIOLENT.... they can have that person thrown in jail for assault and battery.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:47 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You are insane if you REALLY think this law is a good law. The fact is that if someone is being verbally abused, they have a choice to LEAVE THE FUCKING RELATIONSHIP!

    They are not held in by a goddamned ball & chain in most cases. Financial? Sorry, DOESN'T MATTER!

    France needs to realize that there is NOTHING WRONG with insulting someone... EVEN YOUR WIFE... if she doesn't like you doing that... either she doesn't say the stupid comments, or if you are bashing her verbally for no reason..... SHE CAN LEAVE YOU!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:10 06/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cette loi est surtout un brin inappliquable :roll:

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:08 07/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    une françaisE sur sankaku...


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