Fans Disgusted by Final Fantasy XIII

No kidding.
After all, games are bought to be played, not watched. If that weren't the case, they should have just made FF13 another movie a la Advent Children rather than a game.

And yet, Xenosaga was also known for it's many and long cutscenes. But instead of spite, it gets praised for it instead.

every time xenosaga came into conversation in my youth it was complaints that there were too many cutscenes. after i turned 18 i tried to play the game, but i got too pissed off at the main character. i think she was a do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do bleeding-heart idiot. on the subject of ff13, saying it's the worst ever. I think it has it's work cut out for it going against ff10. i'll rent it before i buy. i am looking forward to ff13vs.

Not to mention xenosaga was made around that formula from the beginning while the Final Fantasy series wasn't

Xenosaga had freaken outstanding game play tho, i absolutely loved the combat system, it was a real shame then changed it in II and III.

Xenosaga II was a similar visually overdeveloped fail to what FF XIII seems to be now.

Xenosaga I and III were both great, each in its own way.

XENOGEARS, however... best storyline ever and OHH, when will we ever see anime cutscenes with sex, blood and naked bodies in a mainstream jrpg again..

You guys now, you can't just say "The story sucks" It sounds like EVERYONE SAYS SO.. To criticize the right way, you have to at least say that it is YOUR OWN OPINION and proof WHY it is so. And not like "I don't like that pixel, the Game is crap" - wtf? Seems like many people don't get it, sorry. Wouldn't even have thought that some people seriously read my comment.

have you even PLAYED the game? Anyone who have played it will know the story is a half assed unrefined effort by the SquareEnix team. It's exactly as the review said, "unbelievably linear". Not spoiling anything, it's like playing an rpg written by a bad fanfic writer, shallow.

I have a feeling that Artefact has started trolling us about this game. It looks like Sankaku hates Final fantasy or something.
How many articles to you need to say the same thing?

As much as it is needed. ^^

The grim truth is, even though we would know it is bad, most of us would buy it anyways.

Maybe so, but if such a quantity of people with the game say it's bad... Maybe it's worth checking it in a rent before shelling the cash? I mean... These are recession times everywhere... I'd rent it first and then decide if the whole game is worth it...

hahaha lol buy. play yes, buy, even if its moar epic than xenogears and crono trigger combined, fuck no. xbox is free

The true grim truth is that since the advent of PS2 we didn't have a proper final fantasy. FFX was still a quality game and had the FF spirit, but it was a clear sign of what direction the company was taking...

I bought FF X-2 the first day it came out and regretted it dearly, so until a proper FF comes out Square Enix is dead for me.

In my humble opinion the more budget they use, the worst their games are. Being them i'd start releasing for ps1 once again, it would be better than this shame anyway.

I wish i could see the good old "Squaresoft" logo once again...

I'm confused as to why they used 12 as an example. I thought 10 would have been a better example. Only emo fan boys thought 12 was bad because it wasn't an emo love story and because if you don't know what weapons the characters would use its harder to make fan art to appeal too everyone. Other then that 12 was epic and made up for 10 and 10-2.

And while I'm at it 8 was better then 9! The only reason people hated 8 was because it wasn't like 7 (which is the first FF most people played) and they were expecting a sequel to 7 so they could be gay fan boys over it. 9 was not as good and even people who always say it was better cant remember all the characters from it because they were forgettable. Except for Eiko. She was the only proper loli in FF... We need more loli in FF.

Finally someone that I can agree with on all those said FF games. Hell, even in that order too. Except for one thing: the loli thing. I despise "underdeveloped" loli if you get my drift...the current Star Ocean's loli girl pissed me off so much. Sorry but, I couldn't stand that chick at all.

As for this new FF13 thing, I'll definitely buy it because I'll need my fill of some very shiny and explody stuff to happen in my screen... in an RPG next year.

FF7 was good, why? nobody who played it knew what the fuck was going on. don't try to kid yourself thinking "i understood the storyline." bullshit. It was confusing as hell. when a story line is comprehensible and one can actually follow it, suddenly the story becomes shallow.

FFX was an excellent game. The characters had depth; the world had a strong structure that made it believable; limits, and SUMMONS; cool battles were also key.

I dunno about everyone else, but i started playing the FF series when i was a kid, and the games were a LOT harder than it would be now. If FF13 is easy, fine? as long as i'm actually about to use my big flashy summons unlike their uselessness in ff12, then great.

Finally on the topic of linearity: all rpgs are linear. FF7 sure as hell was. you have the "freedom" to go back a town or 2, but if you wanna finish the damn game, you press onward.

You clearly did not indulge in the Gold Saucer.

"... We need more loli in FF."-.YOU ARE A FUCKTARD,why do I get the feeling that young ppl these days look for a weird excuse to say that giving fan service to a game will make the game more enjoyable,and not only games,movies and comics as well,they keep giving what people want, the thing is,none of you know what you want,essentially since you know nothing about litterature(which is why the twilight saga sucks) and storytelling

Wether it is you say that the old gameplay formula was better or not,well yeah it is better,I've played FFXIII,but you can see it for yourselves,look at the FF14 reviews and you'll see what I mean,I'm in the beta and believe me that style of gameplay, it got old! japan is despised by the gameplay.

Square Enix tried to test something new,yet the story was so linear,well what about Metal Gear Solid saga, it got linear till the end,with way much more cinematic cut scenes than FFXIII, so do yourself a favor and face the facts that we're not in the 90s anymore.

i guess the main rebuttal is i wonder how many of the ppl commenting on western sites have actually played the game to know anything. it was funny cause there were A LOT of comments coming way before even the fastest intl shipping would have gotten it to anyone, nvm it being rather hard to believe that many of you really imported. i can be pretty sure most of you are just parroting one another.

not to mention while japanese player reviews have definitely been split, THAT chart is by far the most skewed i've seen out there, as most other charts have shown reviews to be divided pretty evenly (a lot of ppl like it, a lot of people hate it, and a fairly even distribution inbetween) but far from the case with "critical voices now far outweighing positive appraisals".

hell, its even funny that ppl keep bringing up FFXII as some sort of evidence why XIII is even worse.
"at least people still liked it!"
if some of you are so obsessive about what japanese gamers, who have just as many morons as western gamers, maybe you should see how they scored that game.
XII fared pretty much the same if not skewed LOWER than XIII is doing now.
XI skewed lower
X skewed slightly higher
X-2 skewed slightly lower
one pretty much has to go back to 7/8/9 to find a Final Fantasy that has scored a significant level higher than what FFXIII is doing now, IN JAPAN.

basically if there are a few things to take away from all this is that =
1) the japanese whine about their games as much as westerners do (hell, look at DQ9 yet they've still gone on to buy it in droves and make it the best selling DQ ever. and DQ9 is skewing lower than XIII's customer reviews too)
2)they troll website reviews as much as westerners do
3)westerners for some reason believe that those first 2 points DON'T happen (the japanese take their game reviewing totally seriously versus western consumer reviews!)
3)and westerners like talking crap about games they've never played so they over hype some stuff they're hearing from people hearing stuff from other people (who could very possibly just be repeating stuff they've heard from more people).

I don't think you even know what I was referring to.

i am going to go out on a limb and say that (much like everything else on the web) this is the whiney vocal minority. Despite constant pissing and moaning by some that the latest ff isn't 6 or 7 or whatever thier favorite is, I personally have managed to enjoy every ff that has come out for exactly that reason. If every ff was 7 then they really wouldn't be making new games, some people just can't stand change. Others just like to bitch.

haha everyone liking the game is too busy playing it instead of others whining online.

I was remarking on the idiocy of Templa's implication that an opinion is stupid. People respond differently to various things. Some people think bananas are delicious, while other people don't. Some people think linear storytelling is fine, while other people don't. These polar, contradicting perceptions are both valid in and of themselves. I have no idea where the profoundly impulsive tangents are coming from, but I can tell that the previous notion clearly went over your heads.

STFU EVERYONE this will be the best FF since FFX, which is the best FF ever. And the thing that made FFX so epic was THE CUTSCENES which made it feel like you were playing in a movie and got you really close to the story and characters.

Dungeongrinders can GTFO to Dragon Quest. Retards.

Final Fantasy X in my opinion was one of the biggest dissipointments so not so smart to compare

Do you want a dagger in your eyeball? No? Then never talk down FFX again.

Anon 07:40

I bought a legit HP notebook from a store less than a year ago. It had legit windows vista installed. It was simply unusable, slow and so buggy half of the software i normally use couldn't run without every sort of trouble.

Now take what i just said and repeat it for MOST of the people who used Vista, then perhaps you'll recover your grasp on reality...

Microsoft pushed vista on privates and companies (they said they wouldn't release directX10 on winXP...) and as soon as it came out all the pre-assembled pcs and notebooks had it installed by default.

Just like Microsoft did for Vista, S.E. pushed FF13 by paying various media to flatter something they had no idea about, obtaining the same result in the end...

I haven't played FF13 but when i read such factual data about its "features", which i clearly dislike at this point, i can be pretty sure i won't buy this game, especially after experiencing so many disappointments with the last S.E. games.

After all i dare you to call the story of any FF from 6 to 9 "linear", whoever played it will simply laugh on you and it will be over.

RWG

Role watching game

The FF series went down after 6. Seriously. Everything out recently just cant compare to the quality of the first 6 FF games. When 7 came out, square went ahead and went for quantity over quality. And this title proves it best.(now im guna get neg ranked and flamed by all the ff7 fanboys/girls, and possibly by others=P)

I wont deny that I didn't love the 2d sprites of 4 and 6. But I cant really think that FF7, the first leap into the 3d era of the series as far as with the core franchise, being anything less than a work on quality as it was quantity. To me, each and every entry up to 9, had a great cast, and had those few quirky character's or villains that just 'stuck with ya. I may not exactly be the "ff7" fanboy you're talking of.... but I do know I enjoyed 8 and 9 more than I did 7. 10 was when it hit the shitter for me. The only improvement I found past 10 was the voice acting in 12.

I honestly think 7 is overhyped.I bet most people who says it the best never played it,they just saw Advent Children & are emos & shit going "OOOOHHH, THEY DRESS IN ALL BLACK & IT'S ALWAYS GLOOMY, I LIKE THIS SHIT!!!!!"Oh yeah & Sephiroth looks like David Fucking Bowie, Rexfield.....out

Advent Children is not canon in the FF7 series. I won't admit it. Cloud was never that emo. Zack was never a main character, all the other 'supposedly' main characters are pushed aside (barret, cid, redXIII...) and Cait Sith never had a Brooklyn accent. By releasing Advent Children they've basically destroyed the FF7 legacy, congratz Square.

ALL HAIL DAVID BOWIE!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/JenxtheJinx#p/u/44/lFMDOOdlCh4

6:22

@11:54 HAHAHA you must not have replayed FF VII for many years. Cloud WAS that emo, Zack WAS of vital importance, and all the side characters took a back seat to Cloud, Sephiroth, Aeris, and to a lesser degree, Tifa.

Also don't watch dubs, moron.

awesome fantasy 7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs6TPOli6Hs

I think FF5 is the best FF with roleplaying

Well, story and characters ARE important. And, you hardly can roleplay in a videogame.

I agree FF5 was the best although FF1 through FF6 were great, flashy CGI cannot replace what these games had to offer.

I'm one of those people that started to wind away from Final Fantasy when it became 3d, but for one thing only: the extremely boring characters, I couldn't really stand the onesideness of everyone, specially the "Gee, I'm not a talkative person so everyone is going to think I'm some super cool guy with a lot of mystery", there's a newflash for you, saying nothing makes you have low social skills, really mysterious people are those that you can think you know them inside out for years until you realize you have no clue what the hell they're doing.

Every game just kept on putting you worse and worse characters, and while the story was good, with that kind of people I could never identify myself with, too shallow for my taste.

And I still remember the reaction many people had on 8: it's not about having great characters and battle systems anymore, it's about how good you can render the female's boobies (god, to think what would those people say if they knew back then about how this one turned out)

Sorry for my english, it's not my native.

I hate Nomura it's been going downhill for a while and they are so set on making a cinematic experience they are forgetting about the "game part", but that's okay after this piece of crap they'll release something related to Final Fantasy 7 which no matter how crappy it is it will please fanboys, possibly a remake

No, that's FF7 fags.

Real FF fans wait til they play the game and not listen to whining no-life trolls. If they don't like, they can sell it to GameStop or another place where they buy/sell games. If they like, they'll keep playing it.

Soon, you'll see FF7 fags becoming just like twitards. Which is not a good thing.

Real FF fans will whine until they get a game that plays like what an FF game is supposed to.

They have every reason to whine, and their opinions are very valid. They never whined about an FF game until this game was released, and they love good JRPGs.

Sure is "no true Scotsman" in here.

"Real Final Fantasy fans, wouldn't accept any piece of shit that it's thrown at them with the name Final Fantasy slapped on it..."

Spirits Within?

Well lol that wasnt exactly well received was it?

@ Anon 05:22

Nomura was the main character designer you idjit. Kitase was the executive led the development for FFXIII. Nomura is the director for Versus XIII.

Real Final Fantasy fans would want Square Enix to be more experimental and creative and not releasing 110293581 games every year because they all know that quality > quantity.

Real gamers will try and see if it's worth it. If it's not, they'll stop supporting either the product or the company... Plain and simple.

If it gets the FF name slapped on it, after the games they have released, shouldn't we be more careful?

Real gamers make there own games, they don't want offspring of failure to make it.

They were more captivating because Squaresoft actually spent time to make it so. CG should be used to enhance the story experience, not BE the experience.

I started with FF Mystic Quest and really got into FF with 4 - 7. 8 at the time it came out had amazing graphics, yet I hated it because of the convoluted story and just wretched characters. Secretly hoping Squall and Rinoa could die in space so the game would end on a happy note!

I haven't enjoyed an FF as much as I did 6 and that's a lot of years and games in between. They did it with 2d sprites, walls of text, and gameplay. Now they try to sell you with CG porn but with no substance.

Mainly, they're execution sucks now. Here's to hoping that all this outrage brings about a real change to SE's decision making.

It's a different market now.... targetted to shallow teenagers and kids that wannabe cool.

It was always inevitable. Final Fantasy is a lot more popular than it was back then. Square Enix has to accommodate the newer fans as well as the older ones. Taste obviously differs between older and newer fans so somebody will be disappointed. Looks like Square Enix decided to cater to the majority of their fans or to the Final Fantasy age group. Can't be helped; something has to give.

What's all this about "real fans"? People who think they're more fan-like than others just because they can't accept new ideas bug the Hell out of me. As if fanaticism is somehow a good thing... Please.

Quit your bitching, already. If you don't want to play the game, don't play it. No more whining about plastic fucking discs.

well said.

OH WOOOWWW..you must be the type of people who bought suzumiya's ENDLESS EIGHT DVD^^

Flaunting your e-penis and flaming everyone whose opinion differs from your own. That's how to be a "real" FF fan.

12 was mostly complaining about the shift to an MMORPG-like battle mechanic. Most could still say that it was a solid game with a decent story underneath it, witht eh exception of that "any FF after 6/7/8 sucks" crowd.

13 is looking to be a much more... unanimous disappointment, though I do see your point.

it's totally different, FF12 is a great game, just not what FF fans are used too, so they complain as much as they can, but with 13 it doesn't seem to be a good RPG even less a good FF game

imagine that FF13 wasn't a FF game, just a RPG made by another company, now imagine the game gets unfavorable user reviews... would you still consider buying it?

graphics alone don't make a game...

FFXII wouldn't be getting unfavorable reviews if it wasn't an FF game.

It's cool to hate on popular stuff, as Sankaku itself continues to prove with every article.

You can basically decide for yourself by trailers of gameplay and how the story seems to fair.

but anon, you haven't even played the game yet, how can you say that this isn't the same situation as 12?

Again, I digress, haters gonna hate.

Because I like Japan.

Japan is overrated. Final Fantasy is overrated. (getting on topic)