Tales of Graces Total Beta Bug Fest
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Dec 23, 2009 14:54 JST
- Tags: Bugs, Namco Bandai, Ports, Tales of Graces, Tales Series, Wii
Fans of Tales of Graces have been pained to discover the title has dozens of bugs, some severe enough to crash the console and other locking players out of various parts of the game; with the game being released on the Wii, which lacks any hard drive, the impact is doubly severe as no patches will be forthcoming.
The several dozen bugs already identified are too numerous to list here, but include a variety of particularly severe issues arising on second play-throughs, including one bug which hangs the Wii completely, and a wide variety of bugs which render parts of the game inaccessible.
Apparently the thought that anybody should test the game after its initial play-through simply did not occur to Namco; some are taking this as more evidence of the Wii version being a mere beta edition.
With no proper patching possible on the Wii, the probability of a final version on the PS3 or 360 seems to have increased even further, not that this will come as much consolation to the existing owners…
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Dear god, whats wrong with the quality of video games recently, what happened to the old school beta testing? no one cares anymoar?
@Dash
I agree. It seems the worst in MMOs, but has spread into other genres where quality in even the same developers has gone down.
Oblivion had almost no game breaking bugs. Fallout 3 crashes randomly all the time and a part of Point lookout will always crash if you walk near it.
Bioware has many a nice title but in mass effect you could get stuck to a wall by walking next to it. Dragon age has a lot of bugs too.
You could stave it off as having to due with games getting more complex, but Oblivion vs Fallout 3 shows that is not always such. Also in Dragon Age: Origins one of the bugs stems from trying to choose a beard for a dwarf. Honestly, how could they miss that?
Fallout 3 crashes less for me than Oblivion.
Oh my dear goddes where there world going?
Last bastion where consoles have upper hand is fallen.
Free from bugs and thus no need for patches.
OMG. World is coming to end.
No need for patches? That's how it was during SNES days where it was actually difficult to tell others about bugs.
There is no computer program without bugs, unless you can mathematically prove otherwise.
All I want to say that all thing was better in past.
Even women were better. At last they were much younger.
Current RPGs can't beat such classics as Star Ocean 2 or Chrono Cross.
>Current RPGs can't beat such classics as Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger
Fixed that for you.
I wish that current RPGs could beat Chrono Cross.
With a sledgehammer.
But seriously, I don't see how anybody could have played that game after playing Chrono Trigger and consider it anything but a disappointment.
LOL I love how you can totally date the age of the weaboo posters here. Anyone who lists Chrono Cross as one of the greatest RPGs (or even classic) is far too young. Get off the internet and do your homework. Try the gym maybe, you need to lose some weight.
Exactly. Chrono Cross was...eh. Chrono Trigger, on the other hand--now THAT was a classic.
I've played both. Chrono Trigger first. And I can still say that Chrono Cross is the very best game ever made on PS1. It's serene surrealism was much more appealing to me as an artist. Besides equippable magic elements were awesome.
It's just a matter of taste, really.
I still haven't found an RPG that trumps Planescape: Torment.
All the good RPGS that ever were, were mostly split between SNES and PS1.
Although some only just invoke nostalgia.
I remember Tales of Evermore,
The Seiken Densetsu/ XXX of Mana games(especially legend)
Shadowrun (That game was as noob friendly as a gang war is to passerbys)
FF6 and 7...Those were the high points for me really.
Persona...
Chrono Trigger and Cross were both great but Trigger had an unmistakable charm that I find difficult to describe. Crono Cross was great, and a lot darker- but the story was harder to follow till I replayed it years later (i'm 20 so I was still just a preteen back then if I recall). Also the battle system didn't much do it for me.
The Tales games before this Beta testing fiasco were also fantastic. I disliked Symnphonia however. The original Destiny, Eternia, and the more recent abyss however stand as some of my all time favorites.
I got lost in nostalgia. In any case, RPGs are sorely lacking these day, and I mostly blame a lack of testing and decent feedback.
I have no comprehension of how they could honestly hire testers and these problems would not get sorted out. There is some fucked up process in game development that must be causing this shit somehow.
I am disappoint. No Suikoden?!
I have a friend who beta-tests games for EA. His experience doing so is, as he says:
- Checking possible bugs given in a list.
- Checking other stuff given in a list.
- Two hours of free play.
I think that if a game proves to have too many bugs, then the testing consisted mostly of the third point...
Do you also have an uncle who beta tests for Square Enix?
Funny enough, I was just speaking about this issue with my brother not long ago. The advent of dlc means lazy developers who skim on beta testing, and patch as they go. I still remember when I used to get "complete" games when I laid down my cash....
srsly, what do you expect in a beta version? Since I have some QA testing experience, I'm not surprised at this stage having a lot of bugs. Now, if it has more bugs than it did @ the alpha stage (like a certain online game I worked on and shall not mention), something's definitely wrong.
my Wii has a hard drive...
seriously? is it one of those micro drives?
Nah, mine also has a harddrive; just plugged into the USB :L. If you soft-mod you can then just keep all your games ripped (and/or downloaded) on there, much more convenient.
that's pretty cool. i believe mine is hard modded but i wasn't the one who did it so don't really know. guess it's time to look into it.
Yeah I soft modded my Wii as well, USB Loader GX is one of the best homebrew in my opinion, that and emulators. Too bad my Wii HDD died yesterday :(.
If these guys would actually look for these problems instead of fooling around with their virtual girlfriends then this wouldn't happen!
True story
sigh....seriously...wtf!
My first play-through had no problems at least...
Thing is, if they port this to 360 or PS3 it will be severely lacking in the graphics department, and hence I really don't think they will.
Actually the Wii emulator that runs on PC has shown that some of the Wii games already have HD textures (maybe same with ToG?) and with most native 360/ps3 jrpgs not being graphic beasts it wouldn't really look all that worse to be honest.
Edit: On top of that they already have the engine in place on the 360/ps3, so unless if they're in a contract with Nintendo it'd be dumb not to do a port.
Interesting.
I was actually going to get some screenshots of Vesperia vs. Graces to argue how different they really are, but err... they are a lot more similar than I remembered. Vesperia has a much smoother look going for it, but the overall quality of backgrounds/trees/buildings is well... not much different.
I so remember Vesperia looking so much nicer... must just be the HD.
Namcos pretty smart. Instead of having to pay beta testers, they have people pay them to get to test it.
Namco is smart? Have you never played a MMO before, or known anyone who has? Hell, PC games in general. You could always patch them post-release.
Ugh, it was a joke. And yes I've played an mmo before in fact quite a few. Although you can hardly compare an mmo to a single player game...
Don't mind the children with their reading comprehension problems.
good catch, artefact! was going to buy this game for sure but now i will probably wait.
Kinda makes me wonder, will they actually release any Tales series on the PS3 first?
man developers are getting really lazy nowadays, i think its time for some laws for required testing so that crap like this quits happening.
i don't think it's the developer's fault. Most companies nowadays just outsource QA and bugtesting, so i guess it was the fault of whoever they hired. Look in the credits.
Even so, it's getting some pretty good ratings over at jp amazon.
Hmmm but don't about all rpg's have these issues?
This is suppose to be a 70 hr rpg right? The longer they are, the more prone to bugs and stuff.
What this guy said, show me an RPG without glitches and bugs and I'll show you a game that's at least 5 years behind the times.
You want bugs, check out Fallout 3.
Fallout 3 should burn on stakes.
Where are Spanish Inquisitors where you need them?
If there are too many bugs, the programmers should encountered them in development phase and fix them.
So this is the RPG equivalent of Sonic 2006?
I remember how bugged Castlevania POR was, I swear it's like they never checked it for bugs before shipping out, anyone who came into GameFAQs etc asking for help, was immediately accused of being a pirate and was given no help.
But infact it was widely known POR had so many bugs no matter if it was pirated or bought, the one that bugged me the most was the warp portals, it would sometimes randomly freeze.
All this aside, it got on my nerve quite a few times but that didn't change the fact that I had a great time playing POR. And if ToG is any good I'm sure the bugs wont affect my enjoyment of it either.
Also one of the benefits of being an english speaker is the localized version of a game usually has had further time in beta, so if ToG gets localized then they may work out some more bugs.
Though Tales doesn't have the best track record of getting localized, so I guess we'll wait and see.
The girl in the middle is my Favorite.
The girl on top is always my favorite.
Yesss come... COME TO THE PS3.
It's gonna happen. You know it's gonna happen. THey're going to release a new version of the game on the PS3 and it's going to be one big trap. Sadly I can see the logic in releasing an incomplete game to save the cost of hiring beta testers.
I hope they fix the worst bugs at least with the us/eu release of the game, it would really suck if it's that much fucked up, that you miss whole areas of the game. And waiting for a complete release on another console fucks with my patience.