Tales of Graces Total Beta Bug Fest


Fans of Tales of Graces have been pained to discover the title has dozens of bugs, some severe enough to crash the console and other locking players out of various parts of the game; with the game being released on the Wii, which lacks any hard drive, the impact is doubly severe as no patches will be forthcoming.

The several dozen bugs already identified are too numerous to list here, but include a variety of particularly severe issues arising on second play-throughs, including one bug which hangs the Wii completely, and a wide variety of bugs which render parts of the game inaccessible.

Apparently the thought that anybody should test the game after its initial play-through simply did not occur to Namco; some are taking this as more evidence of the Wii version being a mere beta edition.

With no proper patching possible on the Wii, the probability of a final version on the PS3 or 360 seems to have increased even further, not that this will come as much consolation to the existing owners…

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    Comment by ScarredBushido
    00:06 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    it be funny and awsome if it goes on xbox 360 only/aswell but it also wouldnt surprise me if its just ps3 seriosuly tho if namco keeps doing this sort of beta testing shit they are gonna be hated

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:39 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't care if they release tales games on all three consoles, they need to stop this Beta thing right now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:31 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "With no proper patching possible on the Wii, the probability of a final version on the PS3 or 360 seems to have increased even further"

    Uhm... no. Seeing the 360 is dead in Japan, I highly doubt we'll see large publishers release titles for it. Final Fantasy XIII will likely be the last big title for the system. The 360 is destined to become a system for "bullet hell" shmups and visual novels.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:21 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final Fantasy XIII isn't being released for the 360 in Japan.

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    Comment by Couchy
    02:02 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    More proof that it will be ported!:


    Coincidence? I think not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:22 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuckin' lol'd.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:59 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    namco should change the title to tales of disgrace

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:46 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The game isn't automatically shit just because it has about a dozen bugs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:02 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You're right, but it still sucks when it can interfere with the game at the least.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:02 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even if you're not a FF fan you have to respect the time and effort square put into their products, FF13 is technically flawless, no installation, 1 second in and out of battles, its a technical marvel.

    On the other hand you have a lazy developer like namco churning out unfinished games, they've just recently given the world a rushed out tekken6 full of bugs and shit netcode, now we have this garbage, a broken ass, rushed out before ff13 jrpg on the wii that's gimped and crippled.

    It should be a criminal offense to release titles so buggy, especially as its on an unpatchable machine.

    I remember the days when Namco were a respectable company, ever since they merged with bandai they've gone down the shitter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:17 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    So said Mr. Fanboy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:58 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not a fanboy, I hated ff8 and ff12 but I still admire the technical nature of the games. They are polished and bug free, how games should be.

    I still have nightmares over the technical mess that was lost odyssey

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:01 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would say something like "GOD FUCKING DAMMIT," but I'd actually rather it come to a different console and especially if it gets the Tales of Vesperia port treatment. I'd love for them to add a bunch of extra stuff. See how many freaking Tales/Namco/Anyonewhopayswellenough cameo costumes they can fit. I swear, they'll probably be a Dante costume for Yuri and a Bayonetta costume for Judith by the end of next year. They don't intend to leave that game alone anymore.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:22 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    When you make a game, you got to make sure they there are not too many bugs that could mess up the game. Otherwise, they have to go fix them right away. Isn't that what they basically do in company. Sometimes I don't understand this beta stuff since what I've heard about Vesperia being one. But this beta version game thing just got to stop. You cannot just finish and release the game that still has some bugs in it, expect gamers to run into them and all of a sudden make a complete version on another console. That's could be me complaining and saying nonsense but you got to make sure a game is fully complete and mostly bug-free so this won't happen again. I don't know if Namco-Bandai is messing around with this but it is getting on my nerve if they are doing it.

    Comment by Guumii
    02:46 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is why Namco is a shit company.
    They're liars, they never finish anything, and they overall just suck at what they do.

    Yea sure they've been able to crap out a few good games that actually worked. but those numbers are very small.

    they just need to get their shit together, just just be shut down. Or bought out by a company that will make them do a good job.

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    Comment by dehsue
    10:55 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Saw it coming a mile away.

    Even when you saw it was for the Wii, in the back of your mind you knew it was really a question of: "Do I buy this for the Xbox or PS3?"

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 25/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    One word: DISGAEA

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    Comment by El Chaos
    03:48 25/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "With no proper patching possible on the Wii".

    That's right, but there's nothing stopping NBGI from patching and rereleasing it later under the Japanese equivalent of Nintendo's Player's Choice if such a thing does exist for the Wii, and even then they could hurry and fix the bugs for the North American and European releases.

    Then again, they didn't bother to offer "perfect" low-res PS3 Vesperia's new contents on Live for the "beta" high-res 360 Vesp testers, so...

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:55 11/01/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tales of graces features DLC costumes. Sure they can patch a few lines of code, this post makes no sense at all.

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    Comment by Bronxdragon
    10:40 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They don't even care anymore...it really is all about the money.....well time to go on killing spree...now how much money does take to get a plane ticket to these places.....I'm gonna hit all the major branches of every game company....

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:24 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let's face it, the bugs and shit in this game are likely due to the fact that they push out like 20 fucking Tales games each year anymore. I used to love the series, still do for the most part, but Jesus Christ you guys.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:23 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's it, I'm done with this stupid franchise. They put out so many "beta versions" that they are now bigger trolls than kadokawa.

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    Comment by Icy-nee-san
    03:17 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Protip: Only buy your Namco games for Sony Consoles :\

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:23 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Protip: Don't buy Namco games period, because they're a shitty company.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:47 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What is it with Sankakus hard on for Tales of games. They are not my favorite but I like them just fine but.... WTF sankaku. Enough of Tales and Final Fantasy please.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:30 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bugs can and probably will be fixed for the US version.

    Then of course, they will release it again in japan (not the first time they release a game again with bugs fixed in japan).

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:46 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is what happens when you rush a game out before ff13, good job namco.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:25 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i don't think it's the developer's fault. Most companies nowadays just outsource QA and bugtesting, so i guess it was the fault of whoever they hired. Look in the credits.

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    Comment by drunkspiderman667
    15:13 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    man developers are getting really lazy nowadays, i think its time for some laws for required testing so that crap like this quits happening.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:25 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even so, it's getting some pretty good ratings over at jp amazon.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:27 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hmmm but don't about all rpg's have these issues?

    This is suppose to be a 70 hr rpg right? The longer they are, the more prone to bugs and stuff.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:34 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What this guy said, show me an RPG without glitches and bugs and I'll show you a game that's at least 5 years behind the times.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:02 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You want bugs, check out Fallout 3.

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    Comment by Sarissofoi
    20:02 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fallout 3 should burn on stakes.
    Where are Spanish Inquisitors where you need them?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:37 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If there are too many bugs, the programmers should encountered them in development phase and fix them.

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    Comment by Duran
    15:13 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kinda makes me wonder, will they actually release any Tales series on the PS3 first?

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    Comment by zerorequiem
    15:07 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


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    Comment by phisaki
    15:03 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If these guys would actually look for these problems instead of fooling around with their virtual girlfriends then this wouldn't happen!

    Comment by Anonymous
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    Comment by Aardbark
    15:00 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    my Wii has a hard drive...

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    Comment by rockbottom
    15:08 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    seriously? is it one of those micro drives?

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    Comment by Phenie
    15:12 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nah, mine also has a harddrive; just plugged into the USB :L. If you soft-mod you can then just keep all your games ripped (and/or downloaded) on there, much more convenient.

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    Comment by rockbottom
    15:17 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    that's pretty cool. i believe mine is hard modded but i wasn't the one who did it so don't really know. guess it's time to look into it.

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    Comment by Holly
    15:47 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah I soft modded my Wii as well, USB Loader GX is one of the best homebrew in my opinion, that and emulators. Too bad my Wii HDD died yesterday :(.

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    Comment by Dash
    15:00 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dear god, whats wrong with the quality of video games recently, what happened to the old school beta testing? no one cares anymoar?

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    Comment by BlaqCat
    13:21 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Funny enough, I was just speaking about this issue with my brother not long ago. The advent of dlc means lazy developers who skim on beta testing, and patch as they go. I still remember when I used to get "complete" games when I laid down my cash....

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    Comment by kajunbowser
    07:24 30/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    srsly, what do you expect in a beta version? Since I have some QA testing experience, I'm not surprised at this stage having a lot of bugs. Now, if it has more bugs than it did @ the alpha stage (like a certain online game I worked on and shall not mention), something's definitely wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:47 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have a friend who beta-tests games for EA. His experience doing so is, as he says:
    - Checking possible bugs given in a list.
    - Checking other stuff given in a list.
    - Two hours of free play.

    I think that if a game proves to have too many bugs, then the testing consisted mostly of the third point...

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:43 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Do you also have an uncle who beta tests for Square Enix?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:52 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)


    I agree. It seems the worst in MMOs, but has spread into other genres where quality in even the same developers has gone down.

    Oblivion had almost no game breaking bugs. Fallout 3 crashes randomly all the time and a part of Point lookout will always crash if you walk near it.

    Bioware has many a nice title but in mass effect you could get stuck to a wall by walking next to it. Dragon age has a lot of bugs too.

    You could stave it off as having to due with games getting more complex, but Oblivion vs Fallout 3 shows that is not always such. Also in Dragon Age: Origins one of the bugs stems from trying to choose a beard for a dwarf. Honestly, how could they miss that?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:09 28/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fallout 3 crashes less for me than Oblivion.

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    Comment by Sarissofoi
    18:07 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh my dear goddes where there world going?
    Last bastion where consoles have upper hand is fallen.
    Free from bugs and thus no need for patches.
    OMG. World is coming to end.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:10 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No need for patches? That's how it was during SNES days where it was actually difficult to tell others about bugs.
    There is no computer program without bugs, unless you can mathematically prove otherwise.

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    02:34 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've played both. Chrono Trigger first. And I can still say that Chrono Cross is the very best game ever made on PS1. It's serene surrealism was much more appealing to me as an artist. Besides equippable magic elements were awesome.

    It's just a matter of taste, really.

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    Comment by A_Moose
    22:57 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    >Current RPGs can't beat such classics as Final Fantasy IV and Chrono Trigger

    Fixed that for you.

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    Comment by Min
    23:19 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wish that current RPGs could beat Chrono Cross.

    With a sledgehammer.

    But seriously, I don't see how anybody could have played that game after playing Chrono Trigger and consider it anything but a disappointment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:43 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly. Chrono Cross was...eh. Chrono Trigger, on the other hand--now THAT was a classic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:38 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL I love how you can totally date the age of the weaboo posters here. Anyone who lists Chrono Cross as one of the greatest RPGs (or even classic) is far too young. Get off the internet and do your homework. Try the gym maybe, you need to lose some weight.

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    Comment by nocturne
    03:08 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I still haven't found an RPG that trumps Planescape: Torment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:06 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am disappoint. No Suikoden?!

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    Comment by chriselric
    03:27 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    All the good RPGS that ever were, were mostly split between SNES and PS1.

    Although some only just invoke nostalgia.

    I remember Tales of Evermore,
    The Seiken Densetsu/ XXX of Mana games(especially legend)
    Shadowrun (That game was as noob friendly as a gang war is to passerbys)
    FF6 and 7...Those were the high points for me really.


    Chrono Trigger and Cross were both great but Trigger had an unmistakable charm that I find difficult to describe. Crono Cross was great, and a lot darker- but the story was harder to follow till I replayed it years later (i'm 20 so I was still just a preteen back then if I recall). Also the battle system didn't much do it for me.

    The Tales games before this Beta testing fiasco were also fantastic. I disliked Symnphonia however. The original Destiny, Eternia, and the more recent abyss however stand as some of my all time favorites.

    I got lost in nostalgia. In any case, RPGs are sorely lacking these day, and I mostly blame a lack of testing and decent feedback.

    I have no comprehension of how they could honestly hire testers and these problems would not get sorted out. There is some fucked up process in game development that must be causing this shit somehow.

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    22:17 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Current RPGs can't beat such classics as Star Ocean 2 or Chrono Cross.

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    Comment by Sarissofoi
    19:57 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    All I want to say that all thing was better in past.
    Even women were better. At last they were much younger.

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