Analysis of the content of the Blu-ray disc housing Final Fantasy XIII on the PS3 suggests some unpleasant compromises may be in store for the Xbox 360 version, in spite of assurances to the contrary and what many suspect to be reductions in graphical quality on the PS3 version in order to keep both versions identical.
The BD containing the game amounts to 38GB, whilst the Xbox 360 version has already been confirmed as being packed onto 3 DVD discs (offering an absolute maximum of 25GB or so).
Add to this the fact that each disc will have to duplicate key game resources and the amount of space available to the Xbox 360 version drops even further…
However, concerns over a crippled Xbox 360 version are misplaced – of the 38GB of data on the disc, only 8GB is game data, the rest being given over to sumptuous CG movies (see above), leading to the promise that the in-game elements will be “mostly” identical, whilst the movies simply enjoy far lower data rates to compensate, an admittedly dubious consolation.
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Why would you buy an x-box anyway ? (Except for Dream C Club right ...)
well there are other games that are of some interest on the 360 but not enough to make me want to get one to be honest :)
IDOLM@STER! sif you wouldn't.
The reason I'm not getting a 360 right now, besides the extra money I'd have to spend on games for it, is the fact that the only thing unique about it are a few exclusives. The most popular of these exclusives involve big guys in armor blowing shit up over and over and over(in America anyway). The few Japanese 360 exclusives that I might be interested seem to be coming to the PS3 anyway, and I rarely buy games when they come out, so the 1 year wait isn't much of a let down.
As for FF XIII, The majority of the game being CG movies isn't going to stop me from buying it.
Think of it this way:
Movie theater: $10 = 2.5 hours of entertainment
FF XIII: $60 = 50 hours of entertainment
6 times the cost of a movie, for 20 times the entertainment amount.(not counting a second play through)
Six Movies: $60 = 15 hours of entertainment
FF XIII: $60 = 50 hours of entertainment
(even if you match prices, long games like this are still a better investment of your spending money.)
I concur with your statement on the whole videogames are a cheaper form of entertainment. However I play on the opposite console, since for me the ps3 is still kind of a far off goal. Got two 360, one elite, one halo edition for significantly less than one ps3 when it was 500 bucks. ( 350 total )
It breaks down for me like this:
Movie theater: $12 = 2.5 hours of entertainment
Halo 3 Multiplayer $60 = 2 years of entertainment
Of course not everybody like FPSs but we all got our type of cake we like to eat.
my guess is 3 to 4 disks. 360 version would have a compressed cg movie. well it wont affect the gameplay in anyway or so ever.
I wouldn't expect the movies to look much different either. But I'm still get it on PS3 just because I have most of the other FF games on Playstation consoles.
You'm still get it on PS3 cause thats what you'm parents bought your fat weaboo ass. AMIRITE?
>You'm
I loled.
Actually, I'm not a weeaboo, my parent's didn't buy my PS3, and I'm not fat. So there, you comment has just been proven to have no effect.
i'm fat, i'm a weeaboo, and i bought my own damn ps3 with my tax return.
lol kamanashi..dud seem like cap fit ...
on topic
looks like the cap fit in ya head kamanashi.
on topic
THE XBOX IS SOOOOOOOOOOO OWNED, i have been watching this game in HQ and i may say, THISSSSSS IS A INSANEEEEEEEEE GAME, I SO LOVE IT, I AINT HIPING IT, BUT I CANT HOLD, that the linea sht that were being said back, will end in about 3 o 4 hour if u go playing quick, but if u want to do it slowly it will take some time, but an´way when u get to the green ground...DUD WOW even ff xii world stay small to what u will be able to walk or run or ride on a chocobo, BEST FF YET FOR ME(the history is seriously good, far better than ff xii, and comparable to ff x). and the town and so, yes there wont be any in the first 4 hours of the game but later on there will be plenty, weapons...not too diverses but yes there will be quite a amount of them for the different kind of weapons that the character uses..as spear and so ever.
this game is just a AAA in all sense, u all jrpgs lover and ff lover will love this. U BET FOR IT.
Really anon? I suggest you see the newest post saying how absolute shit FF13 is.
Not to mention the fact that the blu ray contains uncompressed file formats (wmp? are u fucking serious?). Think about it, the 360 versions of many games are always the ones that load faster and run smoother. This is because of compression, and there is hardly if any reduction of quality the human eye or ear can notice. Most people can't tell between mp3 and wav so what the hell makes ps3 fanboys think uncompressed is better than compressed?
They'll find anything to make the PS3 seem superior to make up for the lack of games out for it.
OH, THIS IS THE PS3'S YEAR!!!
...is it? Because I've been hearing that for 3 years now..
compression would kill the game on ps3. with the overall slower load times with blu ray decompressing files on the fly would create 10 min loading screens. thats why blu ray movies are so uber, because the data is uncompressed if the ps3 had to decompress movies they would buffer for ages. a much faster drive would cure this but thats not going to happen. i would sooner have a slightly lower qualty (compressed) version than waste my life at loading screens. ill guarantee though that ingame where it matters the xbox will have the edge as usual. if people are complaining abbout 3-4 discs on xbox just install them. ya can always delete when ur done.
this is just my oppinion as i cant stand the ff series. id sooner watch paint dry.
people are forgetting tha fact tht ms are optimizing games for hdd in 2010. a form of super Compression snd cacheing to the hdd so games o dvds can be further compressed. i wouldnt be supprissed to find both versions identical when they come out.
Are ms really going to allow such a huge franchise be substantially worse on their machine. i dont think so...
ALL video on blu-ray or DVD is compressed. The difference is that the tracks left down on the blu-ray are so small that increases in disk speed cause an unacceptable error rate. DVD on the other hand is more robust and a good drive can spin up at 50 times normal speed where 4x for DVD is top end.
This slower read speed for blu-ray causes the slower load times. The advantage is more storage.
For a multi-media or state of the art game machine blu-ray appears to be the future.
The XBOX can not do HD 720P 3-D (accepted HD 3-D game resolution), besides the HDMI 1.2 port not having the speed to display double frames at 60Hz, the 10 meg video buffer in the Xbox GPU is not large enough for double frame or even true 1080P.
The XBOX design was as a low cost 720P game machine and as such the PS3 has a difficult time meeting the picture quality (doable but takes more work)consistently available in Xbox games. This in part because the PS3 was designed with 3-D and new HDMI standards in mind (upgradable vs optimazation).
yeah and that's why i hated lost oddyssey cuz it freaking loads all the time so i don't really care about the loading times or DVD vs BD since it can be remedied by installing it.
And also you do know sony invented DVD. Also they can also use DVD's on PS3 it's just that they don't want to cuz blu-ray has advantages. and i heard that FFXIV will only be released on DVD for the PS3 or it might be just downloadable from PSN.
Anyone interested in final fantasy enough to read this article should play lost odyssey and blue dragon
Lost odyssey yes, blue dragon fuck no.
Lol both are piss poor games. Blue Dragon has a story more basic than early NES DQ (but pretty pretty gfx) and Lost Odyssey is just a mess. Stop being a jrpg fat weaboo whore. If you played Modern Warfare 2 you'd probably be getting laid as we speak.
contrary to popular believe modern warfare 2 does not get you laid.
lolbelieve
but working your ass off, and paying for shit and giving up your entire life, will get you a wife, AND if your lucky it'll get u laid...and a sammich
lost odyssey was great better than any ff ive played
I never said they are good, just that you should play them if you're interested in ff, although I do find lo to be a fairly good game the first couple of discs
FFX was the only FF game that was good enough to make me but an action replay to beat it. And Blue Dragon gave me diabetes
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Player base, multiple good arcade games, dvd player, exclusives and especially multi-player element. Most people who buy Xbox360 is for the multi-player over instead of giving people head in PS home. Besides Blu-RAY isn't much of an excuse to leave out content.
Which is better Blu-Ray, DVD or that fucking 1-2 TB harddrive you got in the computer while browsing Sankaku?
Besides its an actual game machine and marketed that way compared to the PS3 which suppose to solve all your electronics needs as well as world hunger which it doesn't
"In an interview in Famitsu they state that the video and audio is compressed on the Xbox 360 DVDs while the Playstation 3 version will be uncompressed and appear on a dual-layer blu-ray disc. The 360 version will obviously be released on multiple DVDs."
uncompressed audio and video takes up a ton of space and can be compressed and still look very good.
Like fanboys care about that... If you don't watch it from 50 inch TV and from 1 meter away you probally don't notice any difference.
Compression was invented to take less space adding more content while maintaining good overall quality but PS3 took step back and decided to use uncompressed A/V
I don't see why wouldn't they compress it. More space, more content... but nooo its all about untouched uncompressed A/V
I agree wholly with this Anon
you obviously are not that sensitive enough to recognize some changes in quality when comparing compressed vs. uncompressed.
Try listening to a FLAC-based music file and compare it to an 320KBit MP3.
But it all also depends on the compression used. But my guess of course is that the PS3 version uses a lossless compression technique and the 360 version uses a lossy compression to lessen the file size more.
Music and visual are too different beasts when it comes to compression. Uncompressed audio though for 90 percent of people's setups won't matter.
Well I do notice difference when old and outdated codecs are used with very low bitrate and bad settings causing blockiness and blur.
Action packed videos are the ones that gets most effected by the compression, todays advanced lossy video codecs like h.264 though are a bit different. Good comprenssion and quality, with some setting tweaking you can squeeze some extra space and quality out of it.
About the audio though.. If you don't have extremely good audio system you can't notice no difference between 320kbps mp3/vorbis vs losless flac. 192kbs is somewhat minimum when it starts to effect the sound with standard audio system (good headphones, stereo etc).
the PS3 can still read compressed media/audio right? If anything wouldn't this be Square's choice seeing that if they did compress PS3 version having extra space that still wouldn't reduce the size of the 360 being already compressed that along with having more room for extra content meaning more discs would be required for the 360 version, probably something they didn't want to do. If anything they might release DLC to rake in more money
let me make this straight
the compressed the files are the longer the loading it will take that is why SE didint compressed that much on 360 instead they use 3 DVD9s
The reason for uncompressed PS3 version is because compressing HD video would actually cause problems... the Cell is a monster at streaming HD... nothing can even come close to touching it... so you play to the strength of the system and uncompressed HD is playing to the strength of the system. Microsoft however build their system with compression in mind (obviously because of HD videos not fitting on DVD)
The cell isnt all that good really. thats why theyre only being made for ps3 theese days. production stopped ages ago for most other applications. It was too much too soon and too complicated. ps3 would have been better with an quad core i7 or somthing like that. programming that would be a sinch compared to the overly complicated cell. My 12 yr old socket a amd pc can stream hd from the net or a disc and its no monster. it even playes compressed 1080p video without issue. my 6month old rig doesnt do hd any better just my apps load qicker and i have 2.5 TB of storage. and i can play newer games.so Really, The Cell is no monster.
Lots of PS3 games use uncompressed audio, for what reason I don't know. Perhaps they don't want to make use of the SPEs to do audio decompression which is practically what they were DESIGNED FOR. Lazy devs. Stupid fanboys. Xbox360 blows, PS3 blows. PS2 and Dreamcast were the last 'good' consoles. If you want good modern games, play NDS sadly. My 360 collects dust and my PS3 is just a bluray player.
There is so much wrong in your post that I don't know where to start.
Let me start for u...first..u dont have any of these console(if u do...then u does live under a rock)...second yes that may be said about uncompressed stuff by the ps3 side since bluray is just a huge storage disc base...but that doesn't take away that compressed files may differ sometime with uncompressed file, lazy dev or no whatever, but u saying...that if someone would want to play any good game go to the nds(sadly...im for u)...LOL ooh son, what did u said there....ds hardly has more appealing game than ps3...-(not to mention xbox)AND U DARE TO SAY THAT...look like u r one of these two option.
1 - A troll for nature
2- a guy that live under a rock..or who hasnt play games far beyond of just grabing a ds..or a wii lol. dud U SOO FAIL.
idc really as long as it doesnt massively reduce the graphical quality...
This can't come as much of a surprise, frankly speaking (as an admited ps3 fanboy) I am often surprised by multiplatform games. A blu ray can store so much more and is capable of much better performance and yet they often try and make games the same regardless of platform or sometimes even worse for the ps3. It makes you wonder just how many people M$ has bribed at these studios.
True the blu-ray can store more, but the DVD still has the better performance. There is a reason the PS3 has to install its games. And what you said works both ways, some games have been made worse for the 360 to compensate for the PS3. Some developers even opt to develop for the PS3 first, then to develop for the 360 because its that much easier to develop for the 360 and if done in reverse, it would make the PS3 game function worse than the 360 iteration.
For a company to make a multiplatform game, as much as possible it needs to make the game as equal as possible or risk the anger of the fans of the inferior game. Its good business sense. You wouldnt want microsoft or sony withdrawing support for your company because you made their version of the game inferior.
Like ive said many times, console wars are good because it gets both companies to constantly try to improve their services. Sony has shown microsoft the importance of high storage media while microsoft still firmly leads in the online sector [even though you have to pay for xbox live, more people use it than PSN and that is M$ofts business success]. In the end the consumer benefits.
Much better performance? Read speeds are pretty much the same compared to DVD assuming sequential reads, performance dies quickly for random access on blurays. Add to that the need now to read much more data, and I can't see that "much better performance".
those blurays arent random access their read only
sequential reads that the PS3 doesnt use.
PS3 uses a 2x reader.
360 uses a 12x reader.
In the case of the console war, the DVD does have the better performance.
2x reading for a blu-ray is different than 2x reading on a DVD, they are different media formats. While the DVD is indeed faster than blu-ray (at least on the ps3, which uses the very first blu-ray drive commercially available), most PS3 games compensate for that installing the games on the HDD, taking usually less than 5gb of sapce and making the loads almost the same as the DVD or the 360 own HDD (which do not come with all models, while the ps3 one does). The Xbox360 doesnt have anything to compensate for the lack of space on the DVDs except dividing their games on multiple discs, which may not work nicely with all kind of games. As games get bigger and bigger, I really want to see how M$ will handle have all their games on multiple discs.
You idiot a 2x Blu-Ray reader doesn't even compare to a DVD 2x reader. It's a lot lot faster. It could very well be faster than 12x DVD or slightly slower.
When blu-ray readers improve to bigger speeds like 10x and more a DVD reader would need 120x to reach them.
Learn a little about technology before speaking.
shut down XD
@anon 23:24
This is the reason why i dont speak about the technological aspects of a console cuz one reason or another you will be wrong and sound retarded after someone corrects you.
IMO both versions won't look that different from one another, I will only eat these words if for any reason the 360 does perform significantly less.
PS3's 2x Blu-ray is about 7x DVD speed, and it's a constant 2x across the disc. 12x DVD speed is almost double, but only on the edge of the disc, on the inside of the disc is drops to 6x: the further out on the disc, the faster the read speed. Therefore at the center of the disc, Blu-ray is faster. So a 12x DVD speed averages to 9x it's only 29% better.
did you use calculus to calculate that? get the dr1 and the dr2 to find the dw1 and dw2? just curious...
2X blu-ray is about a 48x DVD, u dweeb!
CALV...
Anon 22:52, are you high? Blu-ray read speed at 2x is 72 Mbit/s. DVD read speed for "12x" which is only 12x at the edge of the disc is around 128 Mbit/s. In the center of the disc it's 6x about 64 Mbit/s. Therefore, even though Blu-Ray is CLV and is 72 Mbit/s across the disc, and DVD is CAV, it's still slower on average.
Actually I have read somewhere that seeking (for random access) is faster on PS3 compared to Xbox360. The logic is that BR disc have much higher density, thus when you need to read it randomly, it can get to the data faster.
I believe I read it somewhere on beyond3d forum.
access time of the blu-ray drive and constant streaming time is indeed higher on the blu-ray drive.
why you sometimes have to install a game is because every PS3 has a HDD, and the xbox360 does not and thus u have to hear the loud cry of a dvd drive which will break faster because the game developer didn't feel the need to force-install anything on the xbox360 (because it's a cheap piece of crap to start with, and only 50% of the users have a HDD)...