“Accidental” Loli Downloader Faces 20 Years
- Categories: International, News
- Date: Dec 9, 2009 04:50 JST
- Tags: California, Crime, Internet, Loli, Lolicon, P2P, Technology, USA
A man who “accidentally” downloaded and then subsequently deleted child pornography faces a possible 20 year sentence, even though he claims he immediately deleted the files and police had to reconstruct the images from deleted files.
The 22-year-old California man claims he was using the Limewire P2P network to download pornography, specifically “College Girls Gone Wild,” but that when he downloaded it he discovered he had also unwittingly downloaded pornography featuring minors.
He maintains he deleted the files and thought nothing of it. However, a year later the FBI asked to search his family home, and whilst prying into the depths of his hard drive they discovered illegal material which had been deleted.
“It didn’t appeal to me. I was looking for women my age, so I just wanted to download ‘College Girls Gone Wild’ and accidentally downloaded underage pornography.
I asked them, ‘Where did you get that? I don’t remember that.’ I asked them, ‘Could I access that if I wanted to?’ They said no.”
He has pleaded guilty in the hopes of securing the mercy of the courts – he faces a maximum of 20 years for possessing child pornography, but his counsel is hoping for a “lenient” 3 and a half year sentence, 10 year probation and registration as a sex offender.
The FBI advises people in similar circumstances to turn themselves in to authorities, although there is no guarantee they will escape prosecution, and (frequently permanent) confiscation of computers is likely.
Unencrypted P2P networks such as Limewire are heavily monitored by police looking to nab people sharing underage pornography – IP addresses can easily be gathered and traced to physical addresses, likely what happened in this case.
Deleting files from a hard drive in the conventional manner actually only removes the information as to where on the disk the data is stored – the actual data remains in place until overwritten with new data, likely what happened in this case. Data recovery tools and computer forensics software enable such fragments to be reconstituted or at least identified.
It is also possible to discover previously overwritten data by inspecting the physical structure of the disk, though this is far harder – only repeatedly overwriting the affected sections of the disk with random data can prevent this.
Computer users wishing to prevent such “accidents” resulting from the presence of previously deleted files can use secure deletion tools to overwrite previously deleted files with random data – such procedures prevent forensic recovery of deleted data and are approved for military use in ensuring classified files are rendered irrecoverable.
Complete hard drive encryption using utilities such as TrueCrypt is similarly effective, as is the use of P2P networks which are fully encrypted in the first place.
Fortunately for governments the use of such tools is still not common knowledge…
Via CBS13.
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This is how my tax money is being wasted.
What happened to catching real criminals I don't know.
Funny it's been more than a year since I downloaded some stuff.And it's almost like....wait someone is at the door. brb
what was it? the pizzaguy?
Funny thing is that you're most likely to get a lesser sentence for killing someone
also if loli 2d is illegal, than im screwed
Since the law applies to any depiction under 18 this really goes far beyond the scope of loli. Most people wouldn't consider Bulma or the yuri Sailour Scouts or Tuxedo Mask and Zoycite to be children, but legally they are minors and thus children since they're all 17.
This is so gay, seriously, the fucking law. This does nothing to actually rescue kids from abusive or exploitive situations.
It'd be find to have laws obligating people with the media to cooperate with police to track it down to its original location, but that's it.
You know these things are a just a power grab and a way to suck the system of tax money.
CP has been around longer than the internet. Chances are everyone has it in one form or another. It will continue that way through out the end of times without even directly hurting anyone.
unjust law are just for sheeples and the rich.
Deam, i've got whole 500GB HDD full of some downloaded stuff. And i havent even looked at what is it that was really downloaded...
Several times before i had a file downloaded through P2P being not what it should be acording to it's name but just some bunch of Porn...
And this file was laying for several month on the disc before i even managed to see him once.
Get a a pair of really big dogs, and train them to eat FBI agents. Just for safety.
MP5 > dogs
I would suggest you go full auto but it's illegal to own in most jurisdiction if you are not in the military.
Actually, you have to be pretty accurate to shoot a dog without letting it whelp one last time.
If you don't blow it's head off straight away, it will make enough noise to wake up the dead.
With two dogs, you actually have to take both down at the same time.
And if the dogs are inside the house, it's near impossible to take them down without drawing too much attention.
I'm sure the sound of an unsuppressed weapon would give you away anyhow. Besides, attacking a FBI officer would more than likely bring a shit storm down upon you that you would not ever be able to fight.
FBI > You
I would suggest degaussing the hard drive, break the platters, and dump the fragments in a few different places.
USA huh? Do cops there usually randomly bust into your homes and cuff you for downloading illegal stuff?
Because I find it ridiculous they would invest much time and dedication to catch a completely random 22 year old guy who had a 1 year old deleted CP leftovers on his hard disk.
Over here the cops are near useless to the point where major criminals are left loose, let alone small fish.
No it's the FBI being a fantastically wasteful organization they have computers that do nothing more then log p2ps.
Often they'll run stings and it probably was a fed computer that had CP relabeled as girls gone wild.
They then rifle though these logs and look for who downloaded it.
He was stupid did not use an IP ban list ,did not use encryption,DL'ed from a mostly static IP.
Most people do not reset their broad band modems so they can have the same IP for months.
Yes these operations costs millions and yes it diverts resources from far more important things.
Often it seems members of the organization are far more interested in farthering their careers and getting more money from the government then actually protecting people.
Consider this latest screw up the legacy of having an idiot for president for eight years.
Though the FBI actions have been controversial through out it's history.
Every time they were given extra power without oversight they abused that power and eventually had it removed only for some other idiot politician to add it back for his latest war on the flavor of the month be it drugs,terrorists, or pedos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation
State and Federal laws tend to conflict each other in the U.S.
That is why their justice system is total fail..
Go after the real pedos like the church ministers.
The head of the Irish Catholics met with the Pope to discuss the 30 year cover up of sex offenses against minors perpetrated by clergy.
He probably begged the pope to let him go back to molesting altar boys because he hasn't had any for so long.
Thank God I'm not a pedophile...
Neither was this guy. Did you read the article?
That's what the guy "claim", for all we know he could be lying.
its quite possible. its like those of people getting "innocently" ban from some kind of mmo. But with how things work too with the government you never know.
"It is also possible to discover previously overwritten data by inspecting the physical structure of the disk, though this is far harder – only repeatedly overwriting the affected sections of the disk with random data can prevent this."
Btw, this is not true.
http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-guttman.html
http://www.actionfront.com/ts_dataremoval.aspx
Among other easily findable materials. Please don't repeat digital myths ...
Not true. Inspecting the platter directly is one way to go about it. But the more common practice is to use the analog signal detected at the drive head to deduce previously overwritten signal. And the feds don't need to recover the whole drive to book you, just a segment of it.
where would you get magnets from anyway?
do they have to be a like special strong types or something?
okay its a good thing i don't mainly rely on downloads, but if i wanted to download dance in the vampire bund i could be arrested cuase of the main female character being naked most of the time? one question where would i get a magnet lol
I think you could be arrested for it in canada. In the US it's all very complicated but is constitutionally protected.
Vietnam War rock
i can imagine the next one :
"accidental" 2D-loli downloader faces 20 years
why would any sane people assert 2d loli as a crime? The lolis are 2d and not even existing life form (only data form), so no child is being abused, no child is being harmed, just some people want to enjoy their life a bit more.
One argument: '2d CP will motivate some unfortunate fools to violate the law...'
Bull shark! Then why wouldn't they ban all 3d girls as a preventive measure?!
no. I don't believe that law and sanity are even remotely related...
In my country, an ordinary woman complained about the service of a certain hospital via email to her friends. Somehow, the email got forwarded to the lawyer of the hospital, things followed after another and the next time, she found herself being jailed for 3 weeks and fined a irrational huge amount of money.
sounds like indonesia
Did you detect any trace of sanity in this case?
Tell that to Christopher Handley...
Is it bad if I found a grammar error in the end of the article? "Complete hard drive encryption using utilities such as TrueCrypt is similarly effective"
The verb 'Is' doesn't agree with the noun 'Utilities.' :D
Also with full drive encryption... I've seen videos of people leaving their laptops and such in use using Windows BitLocker... People can freeze down your RAM with some really cold spray and remove it while it's in use. The cold will help preserve the data in it, because it doesn't fully wipe out when you turn off your computer. (It takes a minute or two) They grab some program and hook up your RAM to some adapter and dump all it's contents to their laptop, then they scan it for the key and bingo, encrypted hard drive access. Pretty sure the FBI is capable of this, considering I saw it online. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDaicPIgn9U for more
Anyway, here's a Protip: Store all of your 'bad' files on a cheap old 10 or 20GB hard drive, then when the FBI rings your doorbell... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcT_AvCRgT8#t=1m26s
That's only if you happen to have thermite lying around. It's totally not overkill and won't get you arrested for anything.
"Complete hard drive encryption using utilities such as TrueCrypt is similarly effective"
Actually the sentence is fine. The base sentence is "Encryption is effective." 'Using utilities' is modifying 'encryption.'
Although I see where you're coming from, in this case you're wrong. It's saying 'encryption that utilities use' as opposed to 'utilities that use encryption' is effective.
Actually... No. TrueCrypt, the example used, is 'a utility that uses encryption', several types in fact. :D So the correct verb should be 'are'.
The sentence is just weird because the modifier for utilities is a long fragment, 'Complete hard drive encryption using.'
Yay for my 11th grade English class. :D
Wow this is some hardcore shit. Time to get me some magnets and keep it in a black box within hand's reach.
What happen to those police's mind.I think there is plenty of case that need to be solved more than this.
This is madness.
Let's why I advise the use of Kremlin Secure Delete.
Plus don't use limewire.
Most importantly, I don't get what is the big fuss about it. Even if he is doing it intentionally big deal. I mean that's nothing. Stop acting like a group of kids, and be a grow up by going to war like me. (I have been to Vietnam War)
YEAH
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You think that is bad? Up here in Canada the law considers 2D hentai cp... So anyone who has any Hentai anime/manga on his HDs is pretty much going to jail if found out.
No one is safe since the laws is as ambiguous as can get. If the 2D chick "looks" under 18, BAM! your gone for 20 years...
And what about Europe?
Not sure about Europe, as every EU member has differences in laws...
In Canada though... Here's the deal: anything the courts decide features "under 18" children in sexually exploitable situations is a no-no.
Evangelion or To Aru Kagaku No Railgun are probably okay, but say Dance in the Vampire Bund...
Hidoi !
And BTW what is considered loli 2D porn ?
Can something like Evangelion or To Aru Kagaku No Railgun be considered to contain child porn ???
By USA Dude:
Someone posted "how do you accidentally download illegal porn."
Well, you can very easily. Many of the P2P files are not what they say they are. Looking for a title-A, and get Video-B which something completely different happens a lot.
I was looking for something obscure - and ended up getting some U.S. Movie in Spanish. Or something worse.
So this guy can be telling the truth. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to have a good attorney.
There should be MORE evidence that this guy is into that stuff. If only one file that was erased a LONG LONG time ago is their only evidence, then its weak.
If someone went through my computer, my porn is Asians (usually Japanese), some Anime/manga and regular American porn. So for THAT guy - if they see stuff like that, and only 1 erased file - he should be "innocent" of a purposely mis-labeled file.
If he was into little girls, he'd have hundreds or thousands of files, photos, videos whatever. He should have a history.
What the fish? So far I think people're only concerned with recovering their lost data and here we find dozens of people panicking about how to eradicate their data permanently.
Anyway, I gain a lot of knowledge here. Thanks everyone!
Will exploding the hard drive work?
Everyone's panicing about eradicating data because this is some real BS. One file. A year later.
But to answer your question it really depends on what you explode it with. If the FBI is determined enough to send you away for life for a single deleted file, they're determined enough to sweep your place for hard drive fragments.
lol... then I should grind my hard drive into smithereens, burn them into ashes, try solving the ashes with some powerful concentrated acid and throw them away in the toilet.
If you grind it into powder I'm pretty sure that's beyond even the FBI's patience to try and recover.
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