Canada Bans Talking to Children Online

I smell a troll.

-Totally unrelated to topic at hand.
-Rude.
-Mention to some depraved sexual action.

5/10. I raged at first, but then I found you.

oooohhhh the internet Tough Guy speaks!

let me guess your going to come and get me?

Oh so not scared

hey anon at 11:02 8/12 how are any of those issues that persons fault? geez not all americans are yankees it just shows that you're a selfish little prick

Jeez, yukkuri itte shite, man.
I always thought canadians were fairly levelheaded and easy going. Regrettably you have points (regrettable in that, yeah, we suck that much, not that a Canadian can be right in conversation) But that doesn't mean you guys are perfect. Moreso, you're being an ass about it. Yeah, MasterYuke's a fag, and maybe a troll. Chill.

ok Rococo i admit that i might have went overboard but hey we canadians put up with people from other countries joking about us.
but When somebody says that because of a law that protects kids, but in very broad generalizations, can be interepreted and abused by a crown prosecutor if he tried to.
but facilitating means that some offender is communicating with kid for the purpose exploiting, however people overreacting saying how parents will not be able to text or IM their kids. teacher will not be able to email homework assignments. Any CP who filed against a parent or a teacher based on that, would be laughed out of court. And then some idiot claiming that Canada is fucked, because of that. I make a point of pointing out what there problems in their countries are. Also anon 12:57, I think you meant ignorant prick, but since you couldn't get that right, well it means you made my point. You Ignorant Prick!!!

What do you expect? Of course he/she is angry the anon lives in Canada. I'd be bitter too.

Hey i love Canada, free health care. mountains clear skies winter storms that make you feel alive to see them. Oh yeah, there was that war of 1812 thing were we you know burned down your original White house. We canadians have a lot to be proud of

Oh almost forgot everybody loves canadians too
because we don't come across ass egotistical assholes, Going we're #1. As canadians it's like we live next to the neighbourhood douchebag

@Anon 14:53, re Canada:

* "Free" healthcare ain't "free". Someone is paying for it.

* Canadian scenery and weather - I couldn't agree more.

* 1812/White House - yeah, that was funny.

* Governments - LIKE the U.S., Canada's government is fucked up. It's just fucked up in somewhat DIFFERENT WAYS than the U.S. government.

The whole US vs Canada thing is outdated guys, you'll never do it as good as HBK and the Hitman. Just drop it: both countries have problems and benefits that the other doesn't. Both could learn from the other. Both are fucked in terms of freedom of speech.

i thought this may be fun to respond to, even if out of boredom.

1. un important, but does show we are behind
2. are what people actualy watch, because real news, that "bla bla people died here, bla bla" gets so old and boring so fast its not worth watching, and if you need real news and not local news, online is and always will be better than national news.

and many of us also hate it when we have to hear a fucking cleberty going to rehab as real news
3. Gun control in general is bullshit. keep explosives and full automatic weapons out of un licensed hands, but gun laws only effect citizens, not the "bad guys" they are meant to hinder. and remember, America fought for its freedom, and the way things look, its possibly we may need to again in my lifetime (im 22)
4. A war on drugs is bullshit in the first place. so long as you are not forced to take the drugs and its your choice, the fuck should anyone care, aside form some of the worse drugs like pcp. im very libertarian in my drug views.
5&6. vitnam was a war on an idea, and unwinable in any form. iraq and afgan have an objective, and are "winnable" granted hard but still. its like if someone killed a person, and than every poliece department in the usa looked for the killer, thats kind of the equivilant, but realy there are more fundamental problems with those two countries that makes it more of a is it worth helping them?
7. no argument
8. a non issue, outside of sports where you fight, like boxing and the like.
9. they are bad
10. look at non reality tv in other countries, is it any better than our reality tv? not really, the only difference is with reality tv, those people are realy that fucking stupid
11. cant blame
12&13 dont see the issue there
14&15 yea, they sucked
16. the rest of the world has racism far worse and more wide spread, they just dont kill over it like the kkk did, but in america, its to hard to live as an outed racist, where as other countries outed racism is closer to normal.
17. they are stupid
18. see above
19. they can be a bit nuts, but alot of what they do is to prove a point of its my right, if it wasn't for them, pussies who are afraid of guns would have had them banned by now.
20. i dont get it.

It's not so much the prospect of not being able to talk to a minor that pisses people off, but it's the prospect of being labeled a miscreant/deviant at will because the police or some jackass can arbitrarily accuse you of something as stupid as 'talking to a child' online.

It's the fact that the law leaves rooms for so much freaking privacy controversy along with interpretation difficulties. Frankly, the law can easily be abused, and is now a form of censorship more than anything. Their stance is pretty much antagonizing the freaking internet, and that's sure to piss off more than just pedophiles.

Law and order is great and all, but acting arbitrarily in the name of the greater good of the people is a freaking abuse of power.

I for one think that if they're that fucking concerned about their 'kids', they should put an age restriction on the internet claiming no retards under the age of 18 may use the internet. Of course, they can't do that, because the internet is now integrated into the motherfucking education system.

Well look at it this way. I used to play WoW. I started playing when I was 16. Technically I'm still a minor in canada, and would be included in that law. Does that mean my guild can't talk to me? (This was when WoW came out btw)

Laws like this are incredibly abusable, and a step in the wrong direction.

Hell, my brother uses the internet and he's 17, do I need to wait another year before I can IM him even though he's in the next room?

Yeah, according to this law psychologists giving advice to teens who have reached puberty or parents explaining what is sex to their kids online is a crime too.

jailbait

All helplines against sexual abuse for children and teens in Canada have to be closed now because they are talking to children online. LOL

Teachers all over the world are arrested for emailing their students homework or extra homework !

Dad gets arrested for talking to his daughter on MSN from work reminding her to buy groceries !

THEN BAN CHILDREN FROM THE INTERNET!!!!

I admit, this last one made me lol.

On another note, we are quickly becoming a more, and more pathetic society. Is it really a good thing to make adults so paranoid about even speaking to children? I feel like I'm going to be arrested for even smiling/waving at one x_x...

Yep. If I see a kid in trouble, I'll just keep walking. Seeya :\

While the law is way too broad don't forget it came about from "loophole abuse". Stupid as it may me the law didn't pop up out of the blue.

Someone tried to abuse the system and everyone suffers. It will be interesting to see how often this new law gets challenged. There is just way too much grey in it.

The real irony of this is, that real perpetrators don't even use the net. They wait before schools and stuff.

And I agree with the Anon from 01:02 08/12/2009. It's much easier to lock kids away from the web. I never understood why they could use it anway. The net has like the most hideous things of the world and all of them are easily findable by google. It's not going to work to keep the danger form your children, you need to keep your children from the danger.

01:14 and 1:26, doesn't Japan already have problems with that?

This already happened in Nova Scotia. A couple in their 70's waved at a kid while driving by, and were questioned for attempted abduction.

Damn, Schrobby you just won this debate

And you, sir, could win the stupidity award. Other countries like yours, whichever it is, will be and is as ridiculous as your vision of Canada by the simple fact that it is filled with humans, and humans in general have a bad reputation, wherever they come from and wherever they reside at the moment.

You would seriously disagree with a Char being a Char?

@20:18 anon:
Canada is mostly inhabited by the french. Do you SERIOUSLY consider the french to be human beings?
I agree with Char.

@22:30 anon:
"Mostly"? Haha. Oh wow.

Asteroid, Char? Have you run out of colonies already?

How about.. Only the Supreme Court of Canada for start..?

Anyway. +1 an asteroid drop.

lol "mostly"? 20% is not mostly...

French Canadians are not French. They're people who were kicked out of France cause they weren't French enough.

Fuck you loli-phedophile luring-kids into your van asshole because you live in your parents basement, I am really sorry you have no game you rotten-cockfuck. I think you shouldn't have Jackshit to say when your country can't come up with a fucking public healthcare option. Look to your own before critizing how other countries are asshole

wow, 22:30 you has less knowledge about canada then you do about sex

Next step, ban the usage of the internet for anyone under the age of 18, problem fixed. Online gaming may actually become tolerable

^This plz

I argee with all those replies above, I'm now ashamed to be Canadian and gaming would be better, if it was 18+ internet.

Less kids hacking our FPS games? Sounds like a good deal to me.

You all are dumbasses, I mean seriously an 18+ internet? Are your heads so far up your asses that you find SENSE IN THAT?

Not all people below 18 are annoying, whiny, or idiotic. Hell, I wouldn't even find it surprising if most of them had more common sense than HALF the adult/so called "MATURE" internet users. I know for a fact that most of my underage friends are a whole hell lot mature than my friends who are "mature" as you would say it.

Anyway, this whole issue REEKS of big brother tactics. I mean what the hell are they going to do? Actually track your IP? Have a government worker in your house all day? Have your ISP record everything you do, even when you AREN'T on internet? Or even stalking you?

Sooner or later Canada is going to be come a communist country if idiotic laws like this continue to be passed. I mean do some research on the subject, it always starts with laws like this to see if the citizens will tolerate it.

Come to think of it, this sounds like some of the same shit that Obama is trying to enforce here in the US. Seems that Governments all over the world are wanting more power than they actually NEED.

I mean seriously people really need to use the common sense that they KNOW THEY HAVE, but refuse to pay attention to.

Also, crap like this could EASILY be avoided if modern parents actually gave a flying flip what their kids are doing on the internet, instead of just giving them a laptop/desktop and saying "Have fun!"

People today are brain dead and stupid.

12 year old anon much?

HYPOCRITE.

Rather than a ban of internetz, why not just a ban of chat rooms? Where else would they get 'em then?

@17:34
I agree that now all 12yo kids are annoying. But you sure are. And do try to be less obvious when you troll next time.

On another note. The new law makes practically anyone aged >= 18 a criminal if they play any social computer game online.

"Coming up next - an evil pedophile has been arrested for daring to play WoW with a child."

looks like anon@17:34 is one of those under 18. you can always tell because they try as hard as they can to use big words and talk political. i suppose it is just the passion of youth. either way, you don't have to get all bent out of shape. it's not like what hugegnome said would become law. i think maybe if the chatrooms were bumped up to adult status, and the web browser net-nannies stopped access to them without a password things would be safer. but then even myspace and facebook could be used to talk with kids, however, when searching for friends on myspace it won't show anyone under the age of 18. so, i think you would have to know them first.

Re Hugegnome:

> Next step, ban the usage of the internet for anyone, problem fixed

There, fixed it for you. =)

theres a saying, "people who talks complicated stuff, complicatedly are either stupid...or those who talk about simple stuff to complicate things are morons"...and yes 18+ internets please...

we have nothing but porn on the internet...just a quick google can give you tons of porn site to go to....internet should be for 18 and above

but the question is how can we actually implement this law?

Or just add, 1 hour a week IT to schools, where they could teach about the ways to use the internet..

You shouldn't talk with kids, at least if you're canadian...

Well, as how the internet have grown up, it might be a good idea to make the internet +18. But I still think it's bad that the internet should be +18 just because people can't stop posting porn everywhere and molesters luring out heir prey.

It's like banning children from entering the kitchen because there's knives there.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to do with this internet world.

@Anon 18:58:

Nice approximation of the Hiratsuka Raichou (from Kyouran Kazoku Nikki) quote.

@All:

It will be the ultimate excuse for doing nothing. Example:

"Welcome to the Smell Corporation Technical Support Chat Room / Support Forum. I'm sorry, but we cannot assist you with your problem because this Chat Room and this Forum operate via the Internet, and you cannot prove that you are eighteen or older, so we cannot legally converse with you.

Have a nice day, and thank you for choosing Smell.

P.S.: This message was issued by an automated computer, not by an actual live human being, so there is no "person" to prosecute under Canada's 'Internet Luring' law."

to anon 17:34

what the hell are they going to do? Actually track your IP? Have a government worker in your house all day? Have your ISP record everything you do, even when you AREN'T on internet? Or even stalking you?

have you ever heard of echelon?

They should ban all people under the age of 18 from using the internet. I agree those that are under 18 are too annoying. I work at a gaming shop and everytime a bunch of first year high school kids are always yelling so damn loud that the businesses next to us would hear us. Sometimes these kids behaviors go through the roof, where all the sudden they would run around in our small tiny store and BAM they hit the wall with all my games, then they would walk like out like they didn't do nothing wrong. Bad thing is my manager and the police guy next to him said "That he would have to arrest me for talking back to them!?!?" and I was like are you f***ing joking?!?!?!? and he wasn't. So people older than them would have to let them throw out their frustrations through destruction while we can't do anything to the little pricks!?!?!? F@#$!

Anon17:34 here.

I was not trolling and I was not defending anyone. I was just pissed off by a law like this since I have many friends who are below the age of 18 in Canada. I however am a 16 year old US Citizen.

I was not trying to troll, hell I don't even know what "Trolling" actually is. I was just stating my opinion. Plus it was around 2AM, I was tired, frustrated and just overall pissed off when I was given the link to this article.

I basically just took out all my anger and frustration from yesterday on the people I had replied too.

And think about an 18+ internet those of you who say its the ideal thing. I mean really put some thought into it, if that happened schools would no longer be allowed to have computer access for students. And you'd be taking away a form of free speech, which in the US in unconstitutional.

And what to you idiots suppose we should do for an 18+ Internet. Give our ID number before entering every site? Yeah that would be hepfull to big brother. We all gonna be in nice little boxes now.
And anyway let's not forget that we were teenagers a few years back and we sure as hell would have hate it if they didn't let us connect online.
Let's not forget where we where before we grew up because then the 55 year olds that want anime loli pics and anime ban from the internet are also right because they grew up and think we are little shitards for liking those things.

Obviously we shouldn't take away the internet for minors, but we should TRY to, to make the point that it's unfair to adults to make it illegal to exchange bits and bytes with their computers.

Who's Stan and why is his cock in Anon's mouth?

Why are you two blowing each other?

I thought that the Conservative party was running Canada right now?

As I posted on ZDNet:

Politicians are already implying that the only people who use the Internet, are "Pedophiles, Pirates & Terrorists".

Get ready for the next wave of drivel:
"Pedophiles, Pirates & Terrorists are voting in elections. We'd better ban all future elections!"

lehnerus2000

Oxygen = not air..

Air can have traces of marijuana, oxygen can't...

But higher concentration of oxygen kills, so it's still a valid suggestion ;)

Also said oxygen filled room must have lots of flammables and paper inside it at all times.
Politicians shall be required to ware polyester cloths as well.

All heat inside said room will be via open flames or hot wire resistance heaters.

Anon is wrong. A bottle of oxygen can have traces of marijuana in it.

Pure oxygen on the otherhand can't.

"This is a bottle of H2O, with traces of Sodium Chloride within."

emailing your kids to see how they are is not exploiting, you dumb fuck. I know police officers and they say that if they had something like that come across their desks,
a email message from a father to a daughter, or mother to a son, they would just toss it in the trash, because they are family. Also if a doctor's or therapist's office emails a an appointment. time same thing. Because it is a legitimate reason to be contacting your kids or patients. Sorry the law has eliminated your potential luring tools but hey that's how the pedo gets bounced.

Way to misrepresent the argument Anon: yes most responsible cops will toss out innocent shit, but eventually you're going to get a dick and a case with some grey area and shit is going to happen, it will.

So.. I'm being an idiot for pointing out the realistic problems involving this law that any logical person with a brain can see, and the potential loose interpretation by the lawmakers, lawyers and the authorities?

Only morons with an extremely narrow mind are unwilling to see there's problems here, and when the law you support so much is turned around against you, I hope you'll enjoy the long judicial process.

Online Chat Alternative Methods:
- Web cam (Direct face to face chat.)
- Massive Multiplayer Online Games (Same system as an online chat, but with more children in the environment.)
- Xbox Live, Playstation Network, WiiSpeak, Ventrilo, Teamspeak, etc. (Direct online voice chat systems.)
- Facebook, Twitter, etc. (Online social networks.)

These are all considered as online chats as well and all of these are popular chats systems for children. MMOGs are especially popular among children and adults alike, if a guild ever wants to hold a meeting together with everyone, it can be loosely interpreted as luring as well.

If you read this law clearly, relatives or even guardians of the child can be persecuted by this law, as long as it's an online chat. Even if you're playing an online game with another child is considered a legal violation of this new law. If you're already confused, then talk to a lawyer to explain it to you with diagrams.

Next time if you want to call someone stupid, explain your reason on why you think the viewpoint is wrong, other than a blatant name calling without a clear thought in your head. All you've done is present your own ignorance and inept thought process.