A new legal ruling makes talking to children online a possible criminal offence, with the crime of Internet luring no longer requiring any sexually explicit communication or even any intention of meeting the child for prosecution to proceed.
According to a judge with the Supreme Court of Canada, the law against “Internet luring” now “makes it a crime to communicate by computer with underage children or adolescents for the purpose of facilitating the commission of the offences,” an expansion of the previous interpretation which required some intent to actually meet the child.
“Facilitating” is interpreted as including any act which might in some way increase the chances of a child somewhere being exploited.
Anything which exploits a child’s “curiosity, immaturity or precocious sexuality” is also criminalised under the new law, and the judge emphasised that such criminal contact need not be sexual in nature.
The judge maintains that the decision will stop the plague of Internet child molesters dead:
“Those who use their computers to lure children for sexual purposes often groom them online by first gaining their trust through conversations about their home life, their personal interests or other innocuous topics.
This is in keeping with Parliament’s objective to close the cyberspace door before the predator gets in to prey.”
The new ruling was prompted by an earlier case of “Internet luring” in which the perpetrator engaged in sexually explicit chats with a 12-year-old girl, but managed to convince the courts that he had no intention of actually meeting the girl for sex, exploiting an apparent loophole and resulting in his acquittal.
The updated ruling overturns this acquittal on the grounds that the judge’s interpretation of the law was too narrow.
Campaigners for tougher laws “protecting” children are delighted at the prospect of finally being able to lock people up for having the temerity to talk to a child:
“There’s been a very clear message that in fact this is something that is an offence, and as a result, I would think that there will now be more arrests and prosecutions of adults committing these kind of crimes.
If you’re an adult and if you’re having conversations with a child on the Internet, be warned because even if your conversations aren’t sexual and even if your conversations are not for the purpose of meeting a child and committing an offence against a child, what you’re doing is potentially a crime.”
Via CTV.
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This is bull. I'm Canadian and underage and I'm sure I've talked to a few adults on the Internet before, but that doesn't mean I'm stupid enough to go meet any of them in real life unaccompanied. I just talk to people who share my interests, I don't even care how old they are.
The government is way too paranoid about this. It was pointless when they banned loli too.
DFM and people like him: SPEAK UP WHILE YOU ARE STILL MINORS.
Seriously, fucking hell, if you wait until you're 18 then you'll just be labelled a pedophile. Now, while you're not someone who can get hurt from this law, but rather, someone who risks hurting others by communicating with them, SPEAK UP about it.
So now in Canada it is only legal to talk to a minor if you're a minor?
Which means minors are now only allowed to talk among themselves? Even though minors always have at least one legally aged friend, usually the one they use to buy booze?
Fuck this. I'm renouncing my citizenship.
I can see the writing on the wall, this is just the Supreme Court finding a way to legally put political enemies in prison.
What adult who uses the internet DOESN'T have some form of contact with minors? Look forward to lots of arrests of radical speakers.
I'm out. Fuck my country. God Bless America, etc.
Get the fuck out
Way to give lip anon. First anon: leave some directions for other pilgrims plox
you can't leave Canada like that , people will ask dumb questions.
You know what, I'm just going to stick my middle finger up at this law right now, they better re-think it.
Another reason for Quebec to leave Canada! XD
hey hey, they maybe french,but don't lump 'em in wth the pedophiles
Oh shut up anon that has nothing to do with that. Quebec wants to sucede and like the french they value democracy and expression'n shit.
This is another reason why America is better than Canada
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh you were serious
Not by much, though. Still too many Americans trying to use this same witch hunt to take away many freedoms all in the false promise of 'protecting the children'.
And in America, they'll be prevented from banning something (simple child nudity), but still go after it with hate mobs and also try to get it banned elsewhere. Japan actually has harsher laws regarding production and distribution of real child pornography than the US, but the American witch hunters (unicef/equity now/etc) deride and complain that Japan is soft on CP laws because Japan doesn't see the point of spending billions of dollars investigating/prosecuting/incarcerating for possession. America has been in love with the idea of throwing people they don't like in jail and throwing the keys away for the past 2 or 3 decades and it's led them to overcrowded prisons that they can no longer afford to keep running. Can you say massive budget deficits that predates the current financial meltdown? Good, I knew you could. And why should Japan follow this failed system?
Sadly, it looks like Japan is investigating laws regarding all this with a working team: http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20091207p2a00m0na008000c.html
I'm all for eradicating REAL child porn, but WAY to many people have such ridiculous ideas about what child porn is, it's impossible to have a intelligent conversation with them. For instance: Demi Moore once called a photo of her underage daughter showing a little cleavage as 'child porn' and wanted it removed from the internet (good luck with that). I've seen more cleavage at the beach on women of all ages.
Sadly as long as the fear mongers can demonize anyone who dares talk back and pretend they are doing it for the children instead of trying to force their narrow minded, bigoted religious views on everyone, they'll keep winning battles.
goddammit canada
I have a feeling that this law is made with assumption that children are innocent angelic beings who speak truth all the time. If they're asked to fill their age into the age form, they'll do it truthfully. If they're asked to leave a site because they're U-18, then they'll leave. It can't be more wrong... If they think that children don't have the thought of falsifying age, they (the lawmakers) are dead wrong...
In the internet, people can't be sure on who's who on the other side. I can brag to people that I'm 14 or 122 years old - will you believe it? Well, one will need to be a moron to buy it. Do those lawmakers know this? If they don't know, it can be assumed that they don't know internet, and should not be allowed to make a law on one.
Hell, most teenagers I know are taking meth up the ass and fucking each other left and right.
Children are worse than most adults in regards to illegal activities. And they're perfectly aware of what they're doing.
Why do we have laws protecting the little shits again? They're not going to follow them...
Ban internet.
next! do not talk to people online! only animals! and A.I.
I tried talking to an A.I. once. It was convincing...until he told me to turn the game console off.
Fuck this indeed. I'm also from Canada, and this is bullshit. Fuck the supreme court, Fuck the conservatives and Fuck Harper. In the butt.
ALL the conservatives?
I'm a con myself and I hate this act.
Better rethink your word choice.
Yeah I have to agree with 11:28 here, don't generalize 10:21. Keep the hate focused on the people who pushed the bill, allowed it, who have the power to overturn and don't, etc.
Mostly that smug guy with the classes who was all THRILLLLLED about it.
Especially Harper!
The irony ><
One of the odd things I find is even with all this Canada still clings to it's right to beat the hell out it's kids, even with weapons and enough force to cause welts. Eventually the only legal way for adults to interact with a child will be to commit violence on them.
Hey, i got spanked by my parents when i fucked up. but i never got beaten with a weapon, sorry your parents told you it was legal in Canada , so they get away with beating you with one. Get out of the trailer asshole.
agnes chan would be so proud of canada, maybe she should move over there?
anyway... as absurd and unenforcable as this sounds, maybe... just maybe it's nobody's real concern unless they really like to ask shota and loli out on a date or something?
Who wants to rely on 'maybe'? All it takes is a butthurt person who knows how to exploit this to shoot their mouth off long enough until others cooperate to enforce their will.
Oh Canada.....You fucking retards.
What a pathetic country.
I can't believe they are actually putting restrictions on the freaking internet. The INTERNET. Restrictions. You know you're doomed.
CP ban is understandable, and I can tolerate that, but merely talking to children? Haha, oh wow. What's next, banned insulting people on the internet? Sad.
Meh, it's not understandable to all. That's a similar thing that leads to a lot of BS resource-wasting. Save the kids from the pornographers, then the job's done.
And an another overreaction on a single case.
Well as a Canadian.... thankfully living in the states atm... wonder how they are going to go about online MMO's where millions of adults play a game, where children also play and they interact with one another...
MMO's provides chat and nothing stopping someone from talking to children online thru a MMO... I can see a MMO ban in the making or mass prosecution to any gamer lol
Seriously this is sad, I cannot believe they actually approved this... dont think I will be returning to Canada any time soon lol
Can we get some under-age kids to talk to Canadian politicians and Judges via the Internet so that we can have them all jailed?
lehnerus2000
As if that'd work... They'd just concocta quick solution for themselves. "The person I talked to didn't identify him/herself as a minor!"
But if a common citizen does it:
"To jail with you! You pedophile!"
You are correct.
One law for "them" and another for "us".
lehnerus2000
Use their case as a precedent and copy/paste their defense wherever and whenever applicable.
And then see if they start to think that their law actually creates more loopholes than they could ever hope to close.
time to close down mmo's since childern in canada play WoW and could be talking to adults!
First of all since when does a law stop a criminal from doing whatever he wants to do. So let's get past the political smokescreen and see what is really going on. Therefore crimes are not going to go down. This law simply aids the government in being able to bust anyone that they suspect (and may not actually be committing a crime). It is a device to get legal niceties out of the way so that when they want to arrest and prosecute someone they can do it with legal impunity. It puts the burden of defense solely on the individual and since the law is so broad, anyone who is suspected will go to prison, no questions asked. It cleans up and goes overboard to make sure the problem is solved. Person liberties LOL. Secondly, have you been watching what kind of laws have been made concerning these types of freedoms in the rest of the Commonwealth? Canada is just a little slow jumping on the bandwagon. Do we have any Canadians out there who value personal freedom? Why don't you say something about it to your politicians?
Just watched the vid on CTV, and I must say. THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD SHIT I HAVE EVER HEARD.
Bald dude needs to take the stick out of his ass. He sounds like a faggot.
I would call him a pussified mangina,they are destroying society,when being affected by feminists.
They ignore the consequnces and problems that come from this, jailing innocents,demonizing men.
And they know they can get away with it and cause all those problems,becouse they don't need responsibility.Why would they need responsibility when no one can punish them for what they have done.
Now if there was a way to punish these people for wrong used laws,then we wouldn't have such problems today.
I didn't know I'm living in a world full of superbrains.
I know: This is all China's fault, right? XD
So I guess I can never play WoW or Halo again.
You're ... sad about this?
Ohhh dear. Hopefully this law won't be abused (hahaha, yeah right).
Thank God I don't live in Canada...I talk to so many underaged people, but I never ask them creepy things or try to meet up with them.
Well, this will throw off those Canadians that advocate, "Help the US citizens! Bring them to Canada, where they can REALLY live freely!" (and yes, I've encountered Canadians that have said this).
lol canadians
I lol when my fellow citizens say this. I'm thinking all "I'd love to move south, or better yet, west"
Does this include talking to relatives, such as your younger siblings or cousins?
ALL under 18s. ALL.
Doesn't matter who.