Master illustrator Geister’s latest portrayal of Izayoi Sakuya provides a convenient opportunity to highlight the rest of his superb depictions of Touhou characters, some of which are hopefully familiar – even better, higher resolution versions of many of his best works are now available.
I highly doubt he got girls to cosplay Touhou characters half naked so he could trace it, and all of the Touhou-specific stuff looks just as good.
What makes you so sure all of the artists you like don't heavily rely on references? The amount of detail an artist puts into it is purely preference. Geister obviously knows how to create his own work just as well as he references poses, so there should be no stigma over it. There is no reason to think he's relying on it for his art to look good, it's just a professional using tools to create a piece of art.
It's pretty obvious when an artist copies a pose, why do you think it's so easy to pick out that he did it? The coloring skill in parts do not match up with the pose "skill" if you know anything about drawing. Which most sankaku readers don't, otherwise they wouldn't be shitty their pants about how "amazing" he is. why do i even bother reading your drivel, i have no idea.
Guess my comment didn't print. So I'll do a redo with some revise.
Comment by Artefact
Who cares as long as he is not plagiarising other people's illustrations? It possesses rather more artistic merit than most of what you will find in gallery of modern art.
I am surprised to see that you dont hold Photography and Hand drawn images on the same level, at least to some degree.
It is one thing to use a photo as a Reference, it is another to completely copy every detail from a photo, and then claim it as your Original work. However if an Artist gave credit to the original Photo, Model, and Photographer, then there would be less backlash.
It is obvious that he hand draws these images by looking at photographs, but he does not (in anyway) alter or change what he has seen. He literally just copies it. Even doing a Franken-drawing would at least give some form of difference.
Then there are the people who draw food, by looking at a photograph of food. It is impressive that they are able to redo a realistic drawing, but again, just give some credit and be on your way.
Now when it comes to someone drawing a photo that they took themselves, then no credit is needed (obviously). Using your own body as reference is at least more original.
It IS possible to draw and paint this well without tracing a photo, you know. Not saying he doesn't heavily reference photos, but there's nothing wrong with that. If you choose not to reference anything when you're drawing a detailed human body, I can assure you it will come out wrong. The fact that the Touhou costumes etc. look just as good as the rest of the piece should show you that he definitely knows what he's doing and isn't taking shortcuts by any means. He does a good job of fitting animu face on a super-realistic body.
When you've developed your art as much as Geister, it's no longer an issue of whether you're using references. I guarantee you an amateur couldn't produce something half as good as this if they blatantly traced a photograph.
That being said his art is not ~kawaii~ enough for me, Mota is my idol!
2nd one looks too much like cut from cardboard, at least medium part of her body.
Then 6th, nothing seems wrong but I can't watch it without thinking, that she has disjointed her left arm. Sure some people are flexible enough but it still looks painful.
Comment by Artefact 06:43 16/11/2009
Who cares as long as he is not plagiarising other people's illustrations? It possesses rather more artistic merit than most of what you will find in gallery of modern art.
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0_o shocking that you think photography is not on the same level as hand drawn work.
The previous comment is correct. Remember the Slam Dunk controversy?
It is one thing to use reference (a lot of people do that, and continue to do that) it is another to CLAIM work as your own, with no credit given to where you got the image from.
He heavily uses photoreference in his work if not outright tracing them. It's more likely the latter followed by him drawing on top to make it look like characters.
"All artist have obligation to create the art from nothingness."
I absolutely agree. Any resemblance to persons living or dead, or any object or thing is plagiarism. All art must be pulled from the artists imagination (or their asshole).
It's time that the plagiarism vigilantes burned down museums full of portraits, landscapes, and photorealist works as encouragers of foul "quasi-tracerism".
Who cares as long as he is not plagiarising other people's illustrations? It possesses rather more artistic merit than most of what you will find in gallery of modern art.
Drawing a portrait implies you copied a person or a photo. Drawing an original pieces implies it's... fucking original. Don't try to compare drawing a still life or portrait to this. He's trying to pass off his art as not being copied but it clearly has.
so plagiarizing the work of a photographer and model who didn't give him permission to use the photos is okay? Lying to his viewers that he drew them from scratch is okay too?
The idea that artists are somehow obligated to work only from their "imagination" flies in the face of centuries of fine arts development, not to mention every single art school, class, or program in the developed world.
Anybody who's so offended at this guy's work should probably be refunded for whatever they paid him for his services.
Wiring imaginary money ought to be pretty cheap this holiday season.
I'm pretty sure art school teaches you to draw from humans so you know how to construct them, they don't expect you to find nude people to draw from for the rest of your life, and def finitely do not expect you to look at photographs to draw from for the rest of your life.. unless your school tells you to do that?
Artistic integrity, no one here has any. There must be a way to block all sankaku comments so i can stop reading and raging at all this bullshit.
Seeing his pictures I thought they looked too much like obvious gravure traces. Apparently I was correct. As an artist, I find it sad when artists with such (or perhaps lack of) talent like this man take the easy way out instead of developing their skill and producing actual unique original artwork. All I can say is what a shame, but none the less, I enjoyed the pictures.
Are they cyborgs though? To my understanding, that "dennou" (電脳, electronic brain) thing they are talking about is a computer simulation of human brain. They... More
Damn. Makes my stuff look like the doodles of a child (quite depressing in fact).
Cool style.
Damn pretty awesome art.
What the fuck is that growth on Reimu's arse?
It's what happens when you copy a photo down the every detail instead of jut referencing it.
What a lamer, and people here are busting their nuts over this copier's half-art. You too can be great when you learn to copy!
I highly doubt he got girls to cosplay Touhou characters half naked so he could trace it, and all of the Touhou-specific stuff looks just as good.
What makes you so sure all of the artists you like don't heavily rely on references? The amount of detail an artist puts into it is purely preference. Geister obviously knows how to create his own work just as well as he references poses, so there should be no stigma over it. There is no reason to think he's relying on it for his art to look good, it's just a professional using tools to create a piece of art.
It's pretty obvious when an artist copies a pose, why do you think it's so easy to pick out that he did it? The coloring skill in parts do not match up with the pose "skill" if you know anything about drawing. Which most sankaku readers don't, otherwise they wouldn't be shitty their pants about how "amazing" he is. why do i even bother reading your drivel, i have no idea.
wow. those are simply superb ^^
finally some really good artwork!!
Very good coloring and all, but there is really something wrong with Sakuyas hands in pictures 2 and 3.
How can it be so awesome!?
Hey wait he forgot sakuya's pa-*knifed*
i rike them!
It's too bad he traces.
Don't give me that reference=tracing bullshit.
great!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this autor piant so diferrent very stranger
thanks ^o^
I think the guy is actually Chinese...
that surprised me a little but holy shit the drawings are awesome
fuck your country!You this shit!
i saw a fag
Guess my comment didn't print. So I'll do a redo with some revise.
I am surprised to see that you dont hold Photography and Hand drawn images on the same level, at least to some degree.
It is one thing to use a photo as a Reference, it is another to completely copy every detail from a photo, and then claim it as your Original work. However if an Artist gave credit to the original Photo, Model, and Photographer, then there would be less backlash.
It is obvious that he hand draws these images by looking at photographs, but he does not (in anyway) alter or change what he has seen. He literally just copies it. Even doing a Franken-drawing would at least give some form of difference.
Then there are the people who draw food, by looking at a photograph of food. It is impressive that they are able to redo a realistic drawing, but again, just give some credit and be on your way.
Now when it comes to someone drawing a photo that they took themselves, then no credit is needed (obviously). Using your own body as reference is at least more original.
It IS possible to draw and paint this well without tracing a photo, you know. Not saying he doesn't heavily reference photos, but there's nothing wrong with that. If you choose not to reference anything when you're drawing a detailed human body, I can assure you it will come out wrong. The fact that the Touhou costumes etc. look just as good as the rest of the piece should show you that he definitely knows what he's doing and isn't taking shortcuts by any means. He does a good job of fitting animu face on a super-realistic body.
When you've developed your art as much as Geister, it's no longer an issue of whether you're using references. I guarantee you an amateur couldn't produce something half as good as this if they blatantly traced a photograph.
That being said his art is not ~kawaii~ enough for me, Mota is my idol!
2nd one looks too much like cut from cardboard, at least medium part of her body.
Then 6th, nothing seems wrong but I can't watch it without thinking, that she has disjointed her left arm. Sure some people are flexible enough but it still looks painful.
the 6th has a misplaced ear, I would say.
Comment by Artefact 06:43 16/11/2009
Who cares as long as he is not plagiarising other people's illustrations? It possesses rather more artistic merit than most of what you will find in gallery of modern art.
____
0_o shocking that you think photography is not on the same level as hand drawn work.
The previous comment is correct. Remember the Slam Dunk controversy?
It is one thing to use reference (a lot of people do that, and continue to do that) it is another to CLAIM work as your own, with no credit given to where you got the image from.
Great Job!
but... will have pics of chen, tewi, or udnoge?
remilia & sakuya pic it's great!
:'( http://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/327999/bed-bra-geister-hoshino_aki-izayoi_sakuya-lingerie
Where are Sakuya's pads?
She says they're natural, so they are.
They are nowhere because she doesn't need use of such things.
e__vampire?
Udonge's looking a bit too loli, I'd prefer her with bewbs...
His rendition of Sakuya is awesome, nonetheless.
I prefer the other two images of Sakuya compared to the first, especially the 2nd image of her which is just awesome.
It's still an incredible artwork even if he heavily uses photoreferences, i'd say that's also one way to work...
Looks so nice that it makes it hard for me to care that he traces everything.
interesting artwork~
...wasn't Geister highlighted in an earlier posts in sankaku already?
personal opinion wants more Cirno. And yes. Lot of these has been already on Sankaku
Not featured per se but some of his art was posted, and I think someone accused him of being a tracer.
He heavily uses photoreference in his work if not outright tracing them. It's more likely the latter followed by him drawing on top to make it look like characters.
"All artist have obligation to create the art from nothingness."
I absolutely agree. Any resemblance to persons living or dead, or any object or thing is plagiarism. All art must be pulled from the artists imagination (or their asshole).
It's time that the plagiarism vigilantes burned down museums full of portraits, landscapes, and photorealist works as encouragers of foul "quasi-tracerism".
Who cares as long as he is not plagiarising other people's illustrations? It possesses rather more artistic merit than most of what you will find in gallery of modern art.
Drawing a portrait implies you copied a person or a photo. Drawing an original pieces implies it's... fucking original. Don't try to compare drawing a still life or portrait to this. He's trying to pass off his art as not being copied but it clearly has.
Leonardo da Vinci would place a rectangular grid in front of the subjects he was drawing, in order to trace them more effectively.
"bleh, art is art, regardless of technique..."
Plagiarism is plagiarism, regardless of technique.
All artist have obligation to create the art from nothingness.
so plagiarizing the work of a photographer and model who didn't give him permission to use the photos is okay? Lying to his viewers that he drew them from scratch is okay too?
The idea that artists are somehow obligated to work only from their "imagination" flies in the face of centuries of fine arts development, not to mention every single art school, class, or program in the developed world.
Anybody who's so offended at this guy's work should probably be refunded for whatever they paid him for his services.
Wiring imaginary money ought to be pretty cheap this holiday season.
I'm pretty sure art school teaches you to draw from humans so you know how to construct them, they don't expect you to find nude people to draw from for the rest of your life, and def finitely do not expect you to look at photographs to draw from for the rest of your life.. unless your school tells you to do that?
Artistic integrity, no one here has any. There must be a way to block all sankaku comments so i can stop reading and raging at all this bullshit.
Seeing his pictures I thought they looked too much like obvious gravure traces. Apparently I was correct. As an artist, I find it sad when artists with such (or perhaps lack of) talent like this man take the easy way out instead of developing their skill and producing actual unique original artwork. All I can say is what a shame, but none the less, I enjoyed the pictures.
bleh, art is art, regardless of technique...
still, nice pics anyways
I like/
konnichiwa nyoooo *O* then if this of brococly illustrations O.O
I like your like. I approve.
Then Everybody Win!
no... its a Tie! no one lost or win hehehe... ^_^
and yeah cool gallery >_< i like it...
SUPER NICE!
If nobody Loses, then nobody has won!
Then everyone has lost!
Then Nobody Loses!
Yeah! Superb artwork!
surrealism is awesome
Realism!
Surrealism?
Like... very much... -bookmark~-
Really some of these guys are just TOO GOOD for their own good.