Microsoft Bans Pirates from Xbox Live “Enjoy Your RRoD”


Microsoft has irrevocably banned unprecedented numbers of modded Xbox 360’s from its Xbox Live service, stressing that piracy will no longer be tolerated, and happily pointing out that such units have voided their essential warranties.

The official line on the bans, which have been meted out in large numbers in the US, Japan and elsewhere, runs thus:

As you may have read online, we’ve been actively banning consoles from Xbox LIVE that have been modified to play pirated games. Our commitment to combat piracy and support safer and more secure gameplay for the more than 20 million members of our Xbox LIVE community remains a top priority.

All consumers should know that piracy is illegal, and that modifying their Xbox 360 console to play pirated discs, violates the Xbox LIVE terms of use, will void their warranty and result in a ban from Xbox LIVE.

The health of the video game business depends on customers paying for the genuine products and services they receive from manufacturers, retailers, and the third parties that support them.

This would also be a good time to remind you that the warranty on an Xbox 360 console is not transferrable and if you purchase a used console that has been previously banned, you will not be able to connect to Xbox LIVE.

Considering the situation surrounding Microsoft’s hardware failure rate, a completely voided warranty is a virtual death sentence to many of the units concerned (assuming they could still be passed off as unmodded). Microsoft may as well have disabled the consoles outright…

The non-transferrable warranty and potential flood of banned consoles onto the second-hand market also conveniently double as ways of ensuring a significant disadvantage to buying second-hand units, though whether this is deliberate is of course not clear.

Just what effect all this will have on Microsoft’s somewhat depressed hardware sales remains to be seen. For a significant number of users, the ability to pirate Xbox 360 games was a major advantage to owning the Xbox 360 over the PS3…

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  • mmm, im saving up for a ps3 anyway. I’m sick of scratched disks and drama associated with my 360 when my buddy’s ps3 performs immensely better and he treats it like crap. It don’t give me bloodshot eyes in HD either lol, also there’s the fact that there are more like swordfighting and rpgs on the ps3 anyway (*shock and awe* i neither like nor have any skill for fps game other than fallout 3) so it’s a better buy, the free online is nice too

  • I don't mind buying good games, likely would buy MORE games if the method of selling to me was intelligent (it isn't).

    Piracy is partly a poetic justice sort of irony. The industry is so stuck on it's perceived rights, that it can't see that if it just changed it's method of delivery things might improve.

    We haven't 'needed' brick and mortar retail for a few years now. Locations that function based on reselling used copies likely kill more sales than digital theft does. Every time a used game is sold, the creator gets sweet fuck all.

    The thing is retail is essentially the only way most ever learn of the existence of games aside from online, and believe it or not online is not as visible as a lot of us like to think. Ever been to Matrix Games?
    it's probably the largest source of serious wargames.

    MS simply hasn't needed to get clever though, because it has the muscle of it's OS domination. The same way Sony has the muscle factor of selling hardware outside of gaming.

    I just can't fathom why so many are so devoted to a machine so reliably capable of breaking.

  • You guys that are all for privacy are funny, are atleast know something along the lines of eletronics. You could probably , depends on your computers motherboard mod ur xbox for couple dollars. Thus saving you alot of money. I know i have tons of games. Its funny because Lot of you people are idiots n dont know shit about any kinda eletronic device. Keep paying for your games. Im sure if you knew how to mod your xbox n knew what to do with the games all of you suckers would of been burning games. But i may have been banned with the modded xbox but give it a matter of time n we all will be out to get you lame as mofo’s. You really dont understand the door ms just opened for all of us elite. Just a matter of time….

  • theft and priracy is wrong, but i feel bad for the people who actually payed for live and ended up getting banned. also for the people who modded there xbox to play region locked games. stupid region block. bleh

    • Hey, some of these people should get together and file a lawsuit for this.

      I also have to disagree that piracy is ‘bad’ or that it is even ‘theft’. Theft is when you steal something that actually has some PHYSICAL VALUE… with pirates, they are just downloading and burning games that they wouldn’t be able to afford in most cases anyway, so the whole argument that ‘piracy takes dollars out of the hands of Microsoft and others!” falls flatter than a cat that’s been run over by a steamroller.

  • My friend’s 360’s disk drive is modified to play burned pirated games, he has been playing pirated borderlands online for a while now, even today, and he’s still not banned. His 360 has been modified for the past year or so and he’s been playing pirated versions of the most popular games for awhile.

    I think this ban only affects certain types of modifications. Like the kind that allows you to play ISO’s from an external HDD connected to the 360 by a modded 360 HDD.

  • Data is and should be free. This is a modern international problem where ‘censorship’ is given a thumbs up because of Information Distribution.
    I pirate games for PC because I have an addiction, srsly. I need to get my fix of new games ASAP. BUUUUUUT when I play these games I do it critically, because they are like books for me.

    I’ve bought 100% of my library of pc games AFTER playing the pirated version, in order to support the development team who did something good. Latest addition being Batman Arkahm Asylum.

    I finished the whole thing till 100%, pirated. I usually eat the game up in a day.
    I was utterly satisfied and said to myself that THAT is a game development team who needs the money. They wrote a ‘book’ I love and will be playing every now and then for the rest of my gaming life. I then paid about 60 bucks for adding it to my Steam game library. And there it will be, with much money going towards the team rather than to the distributors and middle men (while not entirely cut from the deal, there’s less comission).

    I would have never bought it if I hadn’t seen it was worth the cash. Sure, I had access to the demo (and played it) but demos are made in order to impress in short time spans, and often times I find that they are better than the game itself. It’s an inversion, I need to know what I’m supporting.

    Also, I hate people who don’t understand who are the ones pirating.

    There are guys who do it, like me, to broaden one’s knowledge, sometimes more like myself who work or study amidst the entertainment industry, and some do it for the shear possibility to do so, mostly because there is lack of access to the data as intended by the original distributors.

    Imagine you wanted to get your hands on, for example, Richard Dawkin’s “God Delusion”. Everywhere you turn you read it’s an exeptional book. Yet you live in a country whose backassed politics censor the work or lack proper distribution highways with the few who do charging up till 90% more of a 30 USD hardcover book.

    You want it, you get it if the access to it is there. Royalties are not damaged by you, you are not a lost sale as people have been draged to belive.

    You are, in fact, a probable additional end user, eventually going to many extremes to get your hands on the product you consider great. Sometimes soon, sometimes later.

    But in the end no one is actually losing anything. If the market worked as people in business suits who have never developed information intended, you’d all have bought that horrible game about the Cat CEO, because if you don’t you are “lost sales”.

  • Piracy doesn’t need to be stopped. Piracy is the god damn EQUALIZER that the little man has against the companies that try to nickel and fucking dime everyone.

    Shit like RE5 Versus Mode DLC… Why are we paying $5 for SHIT ALREADY ON THE FUCKING DISC?

    Dragon Age ‘day one’ DLC. Yes, yes, WHY IS IT NOT ON THE FUCKING DISC?…

    Piracy doesn’t need to die, piracy is the last bastion of freedom we have against greedy capitalist corporations that think it’s morally ok to nickel and dime ppl now as opposed to making COMPLETE PRODUCTS for release. Companies that think it’s ok to RUSH HALF BAKED GAMES OUT THE DOOR and just patch them later, or finish them later with ‘DLC’ and make you pay extra…

    Piracy gives us ‘option 3’. No we won’t buy your half finished shit, but it looked good so we’ll try it… But no we won’t pay you out of principle… OPTION 3, WE’LL FUCKING STEAL IT 😀

    No, piracy is not legal. But don’t ever fucking try to say it is WRONG. It is simply ILLEGAL, doesn’t make it wrong. In my eyes, the current nickel and diming bullshit with DLC is far far worse of a crime than piracy EVER will be.

    +1 for freedom to take a damn stand.

    • Are you an idiot? Piracy is wrong because anything “illegal” IS WRONG dumbass. Piracy does need to die. You speak of greedy companies and state that they milk us for our money. Well I’ll tell you this now. THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO. THEY MADE THE PRODUCT. If I had a company I would do the exact same thing.

      Simply go by the saying “Treat others the way you would like to be treated”.

      By saying piracy is right your basically saying that stealing is right and if stealing is right then how about I just steal everything you own? How would you fucking feel dickwad?

      • *SIGH*

        His point is- like the oldfag remembering a 2600, is there was a time when game developers produced a product that gamers could be assured was a QUALITY product. (Quality assurance =/= ‘good’) That it was a COMPLETE work, and noone purchasing it was excluded from the experience for not paying more, and that the product WORKED. 100%.

        .. All of which are now false.

        Consumers are not treated as valued and loyal partners in the game market, they are simply resources to be exploited.

        • Consumers don’t really get anything other than what they pay for. Its not their job to treat you and value you highly. The only thing they care about is selling the product. Its your choice on whether you buy it or not. Just because people can’t afford things doesn’t mean stealing is ok.

  • Let the person who has never pirated anything in their lives(music, movies, ect.) cast the first stone!!! Becuz I can guarantee that just about all the people saying “stealing is wrong!” have illegally downloaded music on their iPod or has watched/bought a pirated movie OR knows someone who does download music illegally or has pirated movies and I’m willing to bet your not going to turn them/yourself in. HYPOCRISY ANYONE?

  • I rotfl’d so hard wen I first read the arguments posted against modders!!! It’s really hillarious! The way sum of u people on here talk u make it sound as if the game designers and workers at MS r gunna starve to death. Only 4 maybe 5 percent of xbox 360 owners are even actual modders! It’s like a loss of 4 bucks out of every hundred they make. They’re still gunna drive they’re fancy cars and eat their delicious food and buy their nice houses w/ or w/out modders. The only reason MS is even doing this is in hopes of driving up profit of new consoles bought by those 4 percent. The fact that they only cancelled Xbox Live accounts shows they still want a profit. Personally my account wasn’t shut down but that’s becuz I’m no idiot to be playing games that haven’t even been released yet online already. Those r inexperienced modders that got caught. As long as you play ur unreleased game offine until it gets released you’ll be safe. And to all the idiots hating on modders get over it. Just becuz you prefer to waste your hard-earned money on riddicuously over-priced games doesn’t mean I shud waste mine. I paid for my console and I’m damn well gunna do wat I want with it (eff the terms of service). Who really reads those anyway? As long as I’m not caught, and even if I get caught, im still gunna continue. I don’t tell you how to play your xbox so who r u to tell me wat to do with mine? Get off ur high horse and stop acting like uv never stollen a thing in your life either cuz I’m willing to bet all the music on your iPod wasn’t bought from the iTunes store. Or any of your CD’s dont have a mix of downloaded music. MS are the ones who are stealing money with their riddicuously priced accessories, faulty manufacturing of products for their own profit, costly live account and games at 60 bucks a pop. You wanna accuse sumbody of stealing look to the greedy crooks at MS. No matter what they do or wat you say there r still gunna be people like me finding a way to keep doing wat we do. If you don’t like it then tuff luck for u cuz while you pay hard earned cash on these over-priced products I’ll be finding a way to do it for free or cheaper! Im manipulating the system for my profit and I’m sure that ticks you off but that’s just the way it is and that’s the way it’s always gunna be.

  • Tallgeese_VI says:

    It’s not like I’m supporting piracy but….I’m living in a 3rd world country & I’m leading a normal life of a student & a worker.

    All I have is my PS2 (modded) & I play it for recreation only.

    I was planning on buying the X360 Since the PS3 is expansive & the games are expansive too. The pirated X360 are sold widely around my country & most of the people’s I’ve asked before are playing the modded ver.

    We don’t have the Xbox LIVE service in our country, moreover the X360 is gaining a good rep. here (we have some of those who bought the original ver. too) & when they’re asked about the modded ver. they nod their head in agreement that since we don’t have the LIVE service in our country (we can just play offline & no DLC’s….correct me if I get this part wrong)

    I’m not supporting piracy but seeing that Microsoft is banning them from going LIVE (not gonna affect us I think) and making their warranty void (the one which got me mad here) just seemed not to be a good way to put a stop to the people’s who are buying & playing the moded X360.

    Since the LIVE service is not available in my country , will the fans here be out of the ban ?

  • red ring of doom, putting a virus in the manditory updates to frag save files that are shared online, and now the outright banning of modded xboxes. i see it as just another nail in the coffin for xbox. i can’t wait until xbox is run into the ground. i sold mine a few months ago. now i just play my ps3 and very seldomly i play my wii. won’t buy xbox ever again.

  • It’s funny, if you get console banned – the type of ban described in this article – Microsoft (under the ToS) doesn’t have to give you ANY explanation as to why you were banned.

    Your only recourse is to complain on their support forums, where extremely helpful moderators will reply to you with “All console bans are permanent” right before they lock the thread.

    Someone on an IRC channel I lurk on posted a link of to the Xbox support forums while the crack down was going on. This was where you were shuttled to when you wanted more information about why you were console banned.

    Microsoft can essentially ruin your Xbox and void it’s warranty, and they don’t have to give an explanation as to why they did it.

  • I pirate PC games so I can try the real game before I buy it. Xbox, there’s rental companies for this purpose.
    I justify PC piracy by the large amount of CRAP released, and it’s the ONLY way to try before you buy on the full product, since you can never trust a demo. But if a game is good, and worth buying, you go buy it. because lets be honest, playing on those private L4D servers fucking sucks. And as someone said, economically, they make money on games, not console sales, so yeah, if you buy just to pirate, they don’t, and SHOULDN’T give a rats ass about you. And for those of you complaining about your country’s taxes, that falls under the guy who said “So I can’t afford a car I should just go steal it”. That’s a bullshit justification. If you don’t like your country’s policies, MOVE, or, make a friend in country with lower taxes, and work through them, and have them send it to you as a “gift”, you may still have to pay the tax, but the retail price was lower that way at least.

  • Well, unlike most people here, I agree with Microsoft. Piracy needs to be stopped, and this is a pretty good way to discourage them. Besides, Modding your console is grounds for a voided warranty in any case, last I checked, so maybe they should’ve thought about that before they did that.

    Mysterious Voice: “Are you insane? ‘Pirate’ is a term coined up by those oafs in charge to demonize file-sharers. If there’s no other option to get the game, be it price or region, you must mod. It doesn’t contradict! With this move, Microsuck once again proves itself an idiot everytime it opens up its lying mouth.”

    You say that as though Microsoft wants to deliberately make gamers suffer.

    Mysterious Voice: “Gee, I wonder why…”

  • People trying to justify pirating. Lol, at least have some fucking pride.

    It is wrong to pirate, but that’s not going to stop me from doing it. At least I’m not some fag trying to make it seem as through it is right.

    I don’t pirate 360 games, so I don’t give a shit about this too much.

  • Why are you all trying to justify not paying for something you’re supposed to? Do you all honestly think that it’s okay to pirate games? That it’s okay to play a game that you’re supposed to pay for for free just because you can’t afford it?

    Well I should be able to steal a car because I can’t afford it and shouldn’t have to pay my entire four months worth of salary for one. Asshole Honda.

    • First Posting Idiot says:

      I’ll assume the country you were born in has low taxes and plenty of economic opportunity. Truth is, some countries don’t. In most of the world, Hard work and intelligence don’t get you the kind of money required to buy products like expensive video games. Should people in worse situations than you be forced to shell out tons of cash for overtaxed products? I think not.

      However, if you have the finances required to fund your gaming hobbies, then pay! Don’t complain to Microsoft or any other company about this if you’re making a good income and can afford to pay rather than pirate.

      (you can complain on the behalf of those less fortunate than you though)

      • Let’s be honest. It’s still stealing even if you are in a less than fortunate situation. In stead of stealing games go steal food. If your country has taxes that are too high that isn’t the developers fault. They shouldn’t lose money because your country is ran by assholes.

  • A lot of people downloaded bad MW2 rips; so Microsoft was able to ban a lot of people.
    Microsoft took advantage of this, and stated that “We’ve had enough of piracy, and now were going to ban you ALL.”
    It’s a scare tactic.
    Download good rips, and you’ll be fine.

  • ITT Pirates trying to justify piracy.

    I couldnt care less about pirates, its when they try and justify why they do that gets me annoyed.

    Just shut up and play your free games, and I’ll shut up and play mine that I paid for.

    • The sympathy for the pirates gets me irate. But I don’t give a shit ‘cuz I don’t play either PSNetwork [b]or[/b] CrackBox 360 Live anyway (not having either PS2 or XBOX [i]could[/i] account for that…).

      I feel more sympathy for the customers who will get boned over buying second hand shit someone else modded/pirated. Of course [i]’Caveat Emptor'[/i] holds true for them also. So my sympathies, while notable, will still be on the order of headshaking and going [i]’I told you so!'[/i]. ^_-

  • Often they do go too far in the anti piracy moves.
    They can probably get away with banning but purposefully bricking a console due to a mod chip would be outright illegal in the US as it violate the Magnuson-Moss warranty act.

    If they do this then all I can say is enjoy your lawsuits mircosoft.
    It also would destroy the credibility of their product esp after the tech sites and media get to trolling it.

    • It doesn’t apply in this case as you agreed to the ToS/EULA. Which is a legally binding contract and so overrides the situation. If you want to Mod your xbox don’t go online it’s real simple.

  • Fuck Microsoft, hope they rot in the fires of hell for all eternity! -_- i can’t stress enough how much Xbox Live fails. note to gamers get a PS3 and live a happy life knowing your not supporting their sorry asses. all this has nothing to do with piracy or modding btw, though they did ban my account because i refused to give them my credit card info (which is bullshit)

  • Dude, hasn’t anyone paid attention to the fact that a lot of players who are playing Modern Warfare 2 early are pirating the game? Considering that it’s close to the actual release date, it’s no wonder why they’re stepping up on the pirates.

  • the ability to mod the xbox360 was a big factor in a lot of gamers choices over the ps3. much like the former generations with the ps1 and ps2 topping off as the best modified system with the most games, gamers didn’t really have a choice this time around.

    while the wii can be modified it didn’t make much of a difference since there are no wii games worth pirating anyways. and as far as i know, the ps3 still hasn’t been unlocked/cracked. therefore, if you wanted to bootleg your shit, gotta get a 360 then. no choice.

  • Still, some smart people will figure out a way to get around it. Like, make a new modchip that will be completely stealthy, and will block any information about a pirated game installed on hdd to leak out to microsoft. Sorta like firewall.

  • For a significant number of users, the ability to pirate Xbox 360 games was a major advantage to owning the Xbox 360 over the PS3…

    What a well thought out comment taking into account the opinions of a ‘significant’ number of users through some form of magical opinion survey device in a totally unbiased manner.

    For a significant number of users, the inability to pirate PS3 games was a major disadvantage to owning the PS3 over the Xbox 360…

    • That’s EXACTLY they reason why I chose to get an Xbox 360 over a PS3 2 years ago but then after 10 months, I got RRoD. Managed to fix it. Bought a PS3 so now I use my Xbox 360 for their shitty non-existent exclusives and other shitty games and my PS3 for actual exclusive games and other games which I think it’s worth buying original.

      • YOU fixed a RRoD error that you got TEN MONTHS into your consoles life? A console that has a THREE YEAR warranty for RRoD?

        You, sir, broke my bullshit meter. I’m guessing you either have no 360 because mommy and daddy couldn’t buy it or you’re just another retarded Sony dick-sucker. Either way, you fail for not knowing what a warranty is.

        • Lol although some of the things you said are true that about it going to the fagcrosoft for around 3 months I modded my xbox in april but bought it in the summer of 2008 and since my warranty was only for a year I just gave the middle finger to M$ and modded the console. Still hadn’t had a RRoD but I don’t think I won’t be able to fix it and besides. I don’t play too much. Prefer to watch animes instead of playing but when I want to play I play. As for the Gold. I couldn’t care less. They want money. Go get some other fag not me. Everything I have is either hacked or doesn’t even need it. That is my PSP x360 and PC I also have a ds but I play on it even less so yea.It’s not hacked well I just don’t have the stupid card to run the games but I don’t care. PC is rarely used as a gaming gear since it’s full to the brim with animes I want to watch so games are a really rare item on it.

        • Unlike you who’s blinded by the faggotry of your gaybox, I do own the freakin console. I live in a country where most of the gaybox are already modded so yea, the warranty issue is somewhat my fault but who cares, I heard even if you sent your gaybox back to microshit to get it fixed, you’ll have to wait like months to get it back and then it’ll someday die again anyway and sooner or later your precious warranty will die too. So in conclusion, you buy a gaybox for 300 bucks, play for few months or a year, it died, you send it to microsoft, you wait months to get it back, play for few months again, it died again and the cycle continues until you’ll eventually gave up and buy a newer gaybox which costs another 300 bucks. Not to mention you have to pay like 50 bucks or something a year for online gaying.

        • And yes sir. Your bullshit meter is broken. A RRoD can be fixed and that very easily. There are tons of tutorials for it and not to mention a ton of videos on Youtube But yea your a total retard for thinking that a RRoD can’t be fixed. Go do some research than bash at people.

  • Is this a marketing **** up?

    Why do people PAY for xboxlive? PSNetwork is free, why would anyone pay to play online on the 360 when it’s free on PS3?

    Analogy time….PS3 is a slut who wants to get as many people playing her as possible, and xbox360 is a high maintenance hooker who let’s anyone play with her as long as they pay.

    • Quite possibly because Xbox live is better than PSNetwork as many users who own both consoles attest to time and time again. Basically the only thing that PSNetwork has that Xbox live doesnt is its free while Xbox Live has much to offer over PSNetwork.

      • If you’re bitching about 30-50 dollars A YEAR, you have the wrong hobby. Maybe pressing flowers would be more your speed. It’s free, so it is better than video games.

        Free is always better, amirite?

        • Well if you knew how they rip us off here in bulgaria with cards I doubt you’d want to buy something online since they put way too many taxes no matter on credit card or normal bank account. Sure I’ve wanted to buy a gold account and MS points online over who knows how many times but heck just when I think that I’ll have to pay the bank the double amount of money that I spend on the good I’d rather pass. Think about it. If you buy a 1 year gold it cost’s 50$ or euros (depends from where you buy) but adding to that sum around 30$ more and it gets the same as to wether you’ll buy it online or from a shop that gets such goods once or twice a year. As for ragefags bulgarians yeah most of us are like this since here the way we treat with each other is different and most of the bulgarian population is quite aggressive but what I don’t get is what they got against other nations. Well I’d guess 70% of bulgarians are full idiots true I admit I was kinda pissed yesterday since I had a few problems with my x360 but the other 30% including me are quite peaceful and don’t have problems and yet the other 70% are total fags that destroy even more the bad reputation that bulgarians have and make it even worse.

        • Nope, I manage an online gaming store. We currently carry US, JP, UK, and will special order XBL cards for smaller areas. We even carry PSN cards for the areas which, IMO, is fucking stupid. If you have a credit card, you should be able to buy anything off any Playstation Store, but Sony wants to be a bunch of cocks.

          Anon @ 06:49 is getting ripped off big time and, instead of finding a better way to get his fix, he’s just bitching about it. In the grand scheme of things, XBL is very cheap. It’s the price of one game. Hell, most of us spend more than $50 a night at a club on some slutty skank and don’t even thing twice about it, but ask someone to pay $50 dollars for XBL and what do you here? “WHAT?! THAT IS TOO DAMN EXPENSIVE!” It’s stupid, really. These days, people expect everything to be free. Free MMOs are shitty, free games are mostly shitty, and free online is mostly shitty. (PSN gets it’s period every 2 weeks where I live and can’t descide if it wants to go down, stay up, or block voice/Home/PSStore. XBL never does this, but that is my experience. I’m not in America, Japan, or the UK so Sony doesn’t fucking care about me.)

          I have my XBL payed up for 5 years at 90 dollars because, instead of being some whiny little bitch, I’ve gotten my cards at a steal off Amazon and other sites that sell them under value. You just got to keep your eyes open, just like you have to do when saving on video games. Like I said, this hobby isn’t cheap and we shouldn’t act like it is.

        • Then you are getting a raw deal. I’m getting a US XBL card in Japan for 60 Yen. If you’re old enough to care about XBL, you’re old enough to get a damn job. I’ve done my reserch because I buy memberships for more than just the US and Japan. It is almost always a straight currency to currency conversion. Same with Microsoft points and online game codes.

          You need to work on your anger management and use your damn brain. If you’re being ripped off that badly, maybe you should find other ways to get your goods. I you can’t, move. 50 dollars a month should of been a huge tip off that someone, somewhere was taking you for your shit. If I’m not mistaken, most your country runs off the UK servers, so get some cards from there. Should be around 60 to 70 euros a year. If you watch on Amazon UK, you can get them around 30 euros.

          I swear, every Bulgarian I’ve met is a fucking raging asshole. 12 of them got deported at my college for started fights against other nationalities. Even if they didn’t get deported, they were all in trouble for parting 24/7 and passing out bad booze. They were about as pleasurable to be in a class with as a having your prostate scraped with a rusty nail. You need that hair pulled out of your ass.

        • 30-50$ a year IN AMERICA! here in Bulgaria a 3 month membership costs around 50$ while a 1 year membership goes from 90 to 120$ well excuse me but shut your mouth when you think that those prices are the same for all the countries in the world. Do shut up and before you go blabbering your mouth up do a research. Not to mention that in some families the parents don’t let their children buy online with a credit card no matter how old the children are and they can’t afford the 50$ year membership but have to go off to a shit shop to get the membership while paying the double price. If I have to sum up what I said. YEAH! FREE IS BETTER! And before you go telling me that I should in that case get a PS3. Yeah I’ve been having that thought for over a year now but are you going to be the one who will pay it for me since here in Bulgaria a PS3 costs over 700$.

  • My Xbox ran out of warranty already and I’m having the RROD problem, meh it’s still fixable and it will be better then sending it to microsoft to get few parts changed and it’ll just broke down again 🙂

    DIY ftw

  • ScarredBushido says:

    i heard that some ppl are able to mod the xbox without xbox being able to dectect it the only reason i would eva mod would jsut to be able to play other region games so im just gonna settle this by getting a japanese xbox it would eb cheap since xbox arnt very popular haha

  • dont blame any1 for piracy….blame the distributer or manufacturer because they wanted to earn more so they put game in high price… what if they made original game price = to the piracy game price.. then piracy will be out… simple solution… if this happens why buy piracy instead of original

  • istuffedsunny says:

    I never felt the need to mod my 360. I have a job. Something like the PSP, on the other hand, now that’s worth modding. You just can’t take 60 UMDs and PS1 games with you wherever you go.

  • Who the fuck cares about Xbox Live. It’s not even free. After all the RRoD thing, I’ll pirate the crap out of the gaybox 3-shitty. It’s a good trade. A pile of trash that WILL die after a year with games that’s free. Not to mention it’s fixable. Already cured from RRoD for half a year and so the pirating continues!

  • Well Microsoft sells the Xbox at a loss. Same as the other companies. So it won’t affect sales. Since they make their money off the games than the pirates actually do hurt them. Plus no one really cares enough about pirates to argue for their sake.

    At best they’ll even make more since it will flood the secondhand market with screwed consoles and people will start to go for buying it new since they’re worried about getting a banned console.

    So all in all, nice move Microsoft. Very nice move.

  • theres just one problem concerning piracy that hardly noone remembers: some countries have high taxes rates for imported good like videogames and games itself so imagine you byuing your favourite game for lets say $200, assuming you already paid more than $800 for the console itself….that is, in the official market ofc…

    so…figthing agaist piracy have more to it than what meet the eyes…

        • My country has hard laws for buying online. I’m also only allowed to use 400$ online with a government certified credit card once a year. Not forgetting also that sometimes, the “good stuff” always seems to go “missing” after it reach customs and it may take from 3 months to more than a year for something to finally arrive on here. Also yes, I may get it for a cheaper price, but when I try to get it from customs I must pay an extra tax, taxes that sometimes are even more expensive that the thing itself you are trying to obtain.

        • 200$ is a fair price for a game here in my country. If the game is brand-new it may go up for 250$. And the consoles well, 800$? thats a dream, ’cause here, lets say the PS3 cost around 1400$ brand-new.

        • Dunno about the $200, but even where I live one can afford about 5 console games for an avarage monthly pay.

          IMO the main problem of piracy is game pricing. Look at Arma 2, it was cheap (about 50% of a normal game price for PC here) and it sales exceptionally well (for a niche game).

        • In my country, luxury good can get up to 75% (sometimes 100%) tax. Now, let’s say a company releases a limited edition of a game, which costs around $100, not including the expensive overseas shipping and insurance. Anything above $100 counts as a luxury good and will be subject to luxury good tax in my country if imported legally.

          Take into account that the average income of a fresh graduate is around $190 to $250 a month, and it could stay that way for years if you’re stuck with your position. How can we NOT want to get pirated versions? How can we NOT want to get emulators instead of the real consoles.

          Playstation 3 is almost $500 (maybe more, sometimes less, depending how the USD price against our currency which fluctuates everyday) here after all the taxes including VAT, while it costs you only $310 on black market.

  • Well doubt Microsoft will care that they lose the customers who only bought the 360 instead of the PS3 because they want to play pirated games.
    The money in the console biz is made with software sales, not console sales. The only reason they want to sell more consoles is to have a bigger market for their software. Meaning the useres who only bought the 360 but pirated the games were useless to microsoft from the start.

    Also i dont care, my 360 is unmodded since most of the games are dirt-cheap after a month anyway.

  • I’ve always thought xbox live was a rip off. Both wii ps3 and even ds and psp allow for free online play. Obviously it doesn’t cost much to run microsoft is just ripping idiots who want to pay for the internet conection and for microsoft to allow them to play online.

    • First Posting Idiot says:

      Good point. Microsoft makes you get a gold subscription for things the PS3 does for free, and it obviously doesn’t bankrupt Sony to do it.

      I think Microsoft is trying to shift the profit they’re losing in the Operating System war with Apple. Microsoft is Shifting it’s priorities. They finally make “Vista done right”, and I don’t see it anywhere. They’re too busy making their new motion controller, which I call “Natal that great”.

      Sorry to go slightly off topic, but Natal is not for the average working person. When someone gets home from a long day a work, they don’t want to jump around in front of their TV hitting virtual balls. I have to give Sony’s motion controller it’s props, because it looks like you could use it from a lounge chair.

    • Real gamers use PCs? You’re no better than some console fanboy. Besides, I’ve had games that ran like crap because i didn’t have a particular line of vid card or something. I’d rather buy a game for a console where it’s been tested extensively for the hardware I have than take chances that some unforseen problem will arise trying to make the game run. Gaming is a leisure activity so why the fuck would I want to make it a second job?

    • This is a good move by microsoft. Now all the kids who got banned will just buy a new xbox 360 so microsoft will earn even more profit.

      Not that they weren’t already doing so with the RRODs…

    • Real gamers would have all 3 console and a gaming PC. If you actually think real gamers are solely PC users nowadays, then you are sadly wrong.

      The main problem with PC gaming is that PC users will just pirate it. Consoles actually have more exclusives coming out each month then PC. Take last month for example. Count up the amount of good exclusives and you’ll see PC barely had anything.

      This trend will continue for awhile because gaming companies know that if they release it on PC first, everyone will just pirate it. That’s why most PC ports gets their release later then console.

      • It is true, I remember the most popular games that was pirated was Diablo 1 and 2 untill Blizzard did there own crack down against Piracy for those who still play the PC game. When they did that forceing people to buy real copy of the game, sales of the game gone up.

      • The real reason is that its a lot cheaper to developer for consoles and their set boundries then it is to develop for PCs having to satisfy those who like fancy graphics and those that are not willing (or able) to spend a ton of cash on a high end rig.

        It’s much more cost efficient to develop for a console and then maybe release some half assed PC port.

        • PC titles demand higher standard in QC and testing, which companies should be doing in the first place. With consoles, you can cut corners far more easily, but that’s it. It’s not as terribly expensive as console fanboys would have you believe and it’s certainly not expensive enough to justify the lost profits.

          Besides, you can’t convince me that big names such as Sony, Square/Enix, Namco, THQ and LucasArts are too poor to release PC games.

      • Call me oldschool, but if you’re playing on a 480p and using a gamepad then you’re NOT a real gamer. There’s a reason why casual gamers and real gamers (read: “hardcore”) use different platforms (read again: PCs over consoles).

        Piracy really is a bigger deal on the PCs, but not because of the platform, but because 90% of consoles users just aren’t tech savvy (read once again: their dumb) enough to pirate it.

        • more like; 90% of people aren’t tech savvy

          I think most people I know just use emulators and ROMS. It’s a lot to work with for the average asshat

          I’ve yet to meet a modder outside of a few guys and gals who run shops in the city

        • Casual gamers are people who buy and play games for only a short amount of time. Hardcore gamers would play games regardless of the platform. They’d even go outside and play at the arcade.

          BTW, it’s “they’re dumb”, not “their dumb”.

        • No, you’re just having some superiority complex. Even back then, real gamers would hook up their gamepads to their PC to play games on their small CRT monitor.

          Casual gamers are people who buy and play games only to have fun for a short amount of time. Hardcore gamers would play games regardless of the platform, even go outside and play at the arcade.

          You’re probably too young to call yourself oldschool. At least you should have known the difference between “they’re” and “their”…

  • It’s the right move on Microsoft’s end. It goes without saying that modding your xbox voids your warranty and that you can’t play online with a pirated game.

    I too am interested in seeing how this affects future sales figures…

    • while it holds true that modifying a gaming console voids your warranty (at least to a certain degree), deliberately _breaking_ consoles that were modified in the past is clearly property damage and microsoft could find themselves sued for that.
      but, in this case, user’s consoles weren’t broken (or rrod’), but merely banned from using a supplementary service that requires acceptance of terms that disallow usage with a modified device. so, while it stays arguable if this was the right move, microsoft did nothing else than enforcing their contract. doing this even without prior civil action is rightful. if you got banned but did not violate their contract, you can force them to restore service for you, and if they don’t comply (which they’ll normally do), you can still sue them.

      oh, and the bit about warranties being non-transferable is utter bullshit.

      • That warranty issue is ONLY if you somehow sell a modded system, and it’s bought by someone else.

        then their warranty wont be in affect

        The non-transferable warranty and potential flood of banned consoles onto the second-hand market also ~conveniently double as ways of ensuring a significant disadvantage to buying second-hand units, though whether this is deliberate is of course not clear.~

    • Oww, I’m so sick and tired of this new defence line – “pirates are killing the game market”. First they used that line to explain console exclusives (with consoles being more secure), now they use it this way. I find this to be utter bullshit.

      Just consider “casual” users, another term used only for profit – more and more games are so awfully watered down that the “casuals” might play them. Devs don’t give rat’s ass about regular gamers whining (MW2 dedicated servers anyone?) because “casuals” actually already ARE the game market.Those same “casuals” usually are so damn cold that they’re struggling to even configure their firewall; they mostly see pirated games as pandora’s boxes – the source of all viruses. They buy their games like good kids do.

      So if you add things up, something’s not right here. Yup, that’s right it’s all about the money. Corporations are just trying to expand their legal monopoly to wherever they can, and all those slogans are just white collar talk to appease the crowd.

      It’s the world we’re living, and I’m fully aware of that. The only thing that drives me crazy are those lies. Damn, I’d love to hear a honest “Yeah, we’re ripping our customers for money” every once in a while, that’s all.

      • Of course it’s about the money. That’s the entire goal of a business. The bottom line is, if you don’t think a game is worth paying to play, don’t play it. If you’re willing to pirate it and play it it must be worth something. If it’s not the company will die. If it is, you’re lying that it’s not worth anything. If it’s overpriced, let the company know by avoiding it altogether. But saying a company should give things away for free and not recoup investments is just a copout to try and justify something that’s practically theft.

      • Sorry to burst your bubble, but I personally know of two computer software companies that were driven out of business because so many people stole their games that the company couldn’t pay their bills (i.e., their programmers, upgrading their equipment, rent, manufacturing costs, etc.). So don’t try to give me this crap that pirating doesn’t hurt anybody. It certainly does, and is the main reason why I am not programming in the games market anymore.

        Only the big companies with deep pockets can build the infrastructure of distribution and advertising to get enough people to buy their games to offset the losses they suffer from pirates. Smaller companies, and startups trying to get established can be, have been, and will be put out of business by pirates. That is a fact. Every game you steal through pirating is taking money out of the paychecks of the workers and programmers of these companies.

        Terry Kepner

        • Got to agree with the anonymous above my post…. the fact is that these companies that are ‘failing’ because of ‘piracy’ are really not. The fact is that they are failing because they simply COULD NOT SELL ENOUGH OF THEIR GAMES because….. they were crappy or not worth what they wish to charge for them.

          Personally, I ‘pirate’ older games…… does that mean that I am ‘taking money out of the pockets of the companies in question? No, because I was NEVER GOING TO PAY THEM A CENT FOR THE GAMES IN THE FIRST PLACE.

          Why? Usually because they are VERY overpriced when they first come out and by the time they are in the price range I am willing to pay….. they are out of them in the stores…. so it’s ‘turn to the Pirate Bay’ for me!

        • soooo tired of this fucking age old argument that pirated games are LOST SALES


          people who pirate, will pirate and will either buy the game if it’s deserving, and they can afford it, OR they will pirate everything and only pay for the console…

          pirating has always been around and will always be around, these mythical LOST SALES FIGURES are bullshit because they assume that these pirates would HAVE TO buy the game, IF PIRACY WAS ERADICATED… which it never ever will be… so these “LOST DOLLARS” they spew at you constantly is just head games so anyone taking their side is just another fucking money monger

          same goes for music and movies… I personally never pay for anything – movies, music or games and never have – so there is no revenue lost here, unless you like spinning fantasy stories

          which they do… and it’s amazing how many “good folks” jump on the bandwagon to hate the BIG BAD PIRATES

          go fuck yourselves

        • Companies have been going out of business by people not buying their games way before piracy was a problem. Now though they have an excuse on why they went out of business. Some really good games have been financial failures and that was before piracy was considered a problem.

          This means that piracy can’t be a problem since otherwise there would have been a change when piracy became popular. Sales have been in general going up along with the money spent on making games over the years. If piracy was a problem then the amount would go down instead of up.

          Since there are no real differences caused by piracy then the only reason why a company blames piracy is to justify something. If a company goes out of business and blames piracy they have a better chance of succeeding in filing for bankruptcy. A company can blame piracy in order to put DRM on a game. (which gives their piracy claims credit in the eyes of the government and stock owners) It gives them the excuse to make a game platform exclusive so they can same money on development costs.

        • @kamanashi
          They already are. They call them monthly fees and DLCs, but most games today still cost a lot more than just the retail package.

          As for software copyright infringement, there is a reason it exists and only the brainwashed by MAFIAA and the like would consider the customers to be at fault. Massive illegal sharing is just the symptom of something far bigger.

          Also, a pretty chart for everyone who seems to be confusing some terminology:

        • That’s why I don’t plan to be an indy dev or a small software dev. Piracy is too much to worry about.

          Really, the only time i can see piracy being justified, at least in my opinion, is if they start charging $100 for a game. Once they hit that mark, they can say good bye to my money.

        • Terry don’t try and claim piracy killed those companies, it was poor products. They simply did not make products that enough people bought. The fact that people pirated their games means nothing, they were never going to get that money, so even if no one pirated their games, they would then just not have played them. Your assumption that every person who pirated a game would have bought it if they couldn’t pirate it is just plain wrong. Success in gaming is determined by how many games you sell….they didn’t sell enough. Boo hoo. Piracy has been around since I was a kid and used to copy 5.25 inch floppies yet somehow many companies have still succeeded in software….the fact that you know of some companies who failed is irrelevant.

      • Kyon Theorist says:

        Oh no, a business is trying to do what ensures it makes money instead of giving away its products for free. Call the police.

        Seriously though. Pirating does take money out of their gold lined pockets, and there’s no reason for them to support something that is both illegal and a loss of money.

    • If no one buys the game it’s either
      a) overpriced
      b) trash
      c) a and b

      A company which doesn’t get it’s doing any of the above deserves to die.

      And believe me, the video game industry is alive and kicking if it can grow in today’s economy.

      • BINGO! The fact is that most times the ‘pirates’ are people who simply cannot afford the games in question at the price that these companies wish to charge for them. If they would LOWER THE PRICES to about 1/3 of the 60 dollars they are right now, more people would buy and buy more often…… more often enough to totally WIPE OUT the lost money from lowering the prices.

      • I do think that if a game is trash, its normal that the company die. But just imagine that you spend a lot of time and dedication in one game, and that later that you want to sell it, you just sell 2000 copies and there are 15000 illegals copies of the game. That’s not fair.

        I do understand that a couple of games may be over priced, but if you think that they are overpriced, just don’t buy an illegal copy, because its not illegal to sell crap at a high price.

    • I finally bought an xbox360 last month when I found out that it was modded to play pirated games. And it did play the pirated games without any problems (as long as I was willing to live with the noisy it makes). But surprisingly….


      pirated games are playable, but original *payed* for games from another region (Dream “C” Club) are _NOT_! Microsoft should get their priorities right, breaking the console to play pirated games should be a lot harder then breaking it’s regional protection (not the other way around).

      I am sure that developers will be more worried about *pirated* games then about *imported* games.

      • you’re an idiot
        the XBOX360 ISN’T REGION FREE from the beginning. Modded or not, it’ll still not play games from another REGION.

        but luckily, the PS3 is REGION FREE, so if those games(Idolm@ster, Dream C Club) ever come out on the PS3, then it’ll be good news for me, because it is REGION FREE.

        • Because of Piracy and people braging on Xbox live you should thank the idoits who talking smack on Xbox Live for saying they have a Mod Xbox 360’s and playing Pirated versions of the games. People bitch about the price of a games when really Bargin Bin games cost around 9$ to 20$ there is no shame in geting a Bargin Bin used games I was lucky to get Spinter Cell DE that cost me 15 dollers I was happy it was a fun game.

          Thanks to people who brag on Xbox live Microsoft is cracking down on you.

        • 2 words: Price.Discrimination

          Take tales of vesperia. the game can be found in the bargin bins in the US because its out for a year there.

          then after begging for almost a year, namco bandai finally decides to release it in PAL territories for the full price of 64 euro’s ($95) with ZERO extras even though the pimped PS3 version was announced in the meantime.

          i kinda wonder if this is another reason namco bandai is sucking MS’s cock so hard this generation, because sony listened to their users for once by not locking down their PS3/PSP…

        • Developers CAN make games region free but it involves many programming problems due to the design of the xbox360. It’s possible but it makes things harder, and possibly the game could suffer.

        • Developers can make their games region free if they so desire to. Mushihimesama Futari Ver 1.5 is being released November 26th in Japan, and is entirely region free to allow people to import it. If it gets imported enough, Cave will start making more region free games.

          If the devs would be.. smarter, they’d make all of their games region free. I don’t see the point of “region locking” in this generation of gaming, especially that there is more and more people who import from other regions, and so many games in Japan that doesn’t get anywhere else.

          At least PS3 and PSP games are region free, so for the moment only one of them understood this. Let’s hope the others will join in on the next generation.

        • Microsoft are the people who decided to put the region lock on the system, the publisher might control the region locking on each individual game but ultimately it is Microsoft’s asshat nature at fault.

        • Lolz. They rely on online gaming. We should just boycott xbox live. Those of you who have chosen to buy an xbox due to pricing differences have already paid more for your live accounts than the cost of a ps3 system. Plus, sony’s cool about piracy; they don’t bitch and get greedy, they accept and adapt with the pspGO. I still don’t know if the ps3 is modable. I don’t mod shit, anyways. I totally wanna do that xbox chick. AHHH, to be a cartoon. Oh yeah, fuck GameInformer for your crazy ass biases. As of now the only cool games for xbox 360 are uhhh… halo and l4d. The highlights of xbox 360’s future??? Sequels to halo and L4D!! Anything else can be bought on the very reasonably priced ps3 system. Now if I had anything nice to say about 360, I’d say it. For example, I like their reversed xmb, and the combination of Home mii (homiis?) styles. Just proof that Micro is and always will be a parasite of other company’s developments. Forget about NATAL, baby. They capitalize on hype, just like Molyneux. Srry for hatin’ just pissed at undeserved success. Oh yeah, headsets are better on xbox 360. Wii has like 5 good games, so yeah. I hate ur systems, but luv u gamers, gimme a five!!!

      • i would have modded mine if would defeat the damn region lock. but somehow MS made it easy to play burned games but nigh impossible to defeat the region lock.

        its like MS really does not want us filthy PAL residents to play the games we bought the fucking thing for. *cough*blazblue*cough*ToV*cough*

        • Klingengeist says:

          Thats why i love PC gaming, no fucking region locks. For my Saturn is used the swap trick, my PSX is modded and for my Dreamcast i used the Utopia Bootdisc. Good thing the NDS got no region lock…

          Every enterprise can move its production to china or other countries with cheap labor but they try to stop the consumers from playing foreign game releases?! WTF

          The people responsible for this should die..

      • think of the third world, where games are not even distributed officially, and them (and the consoles) cost as much as 10x in most stores. Since we are not a market they can extract meaningful amounts of money frmo, Piracy is the only way for us to access games.

        Hopefully, digital distribution IS a great help for us, as we won´t be forced to buy highly overpriced physical games anymore..

        • anon 23:31

          I’m sorry, but your AP micro-econ high school level education doesn’t apply in the real world. Piracy used to be a laughable vagrancy in the 70’s when mid-level chumps would try things like emulating shoddy recordings from concerts and selling them for a quick buck. But now that variables such as improved technologies and the internet have cut out the middle man entirely, the question is only, “What shall I be taking today?” rather than “Hmmm, when will I be bringing the economic system to a halt?”.

        • Pirates get owned, its their damn fault, so I don’t really care. I believe the term is; “If you cant take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.”. If you are a thief, then good luck to you, but you will inevitably get your ass kicked.

          You just stepped on Microsoft’s property, and they just gave you the proverbial shotgun blast to the face.

        • Darkrockslizer says:

          Anon 11:11,

          So who will stay living in those 3rd world countries? 😀 Say you are a respectable manager in a small local enterprise getting 300$ a month having well fed family kids and respect.

          Or, you can risk with never meeting your family or friends again and go make burgers and live in downtown for 2000$ a month. But in a developed country!

        • Anon 14:57 wins.

          By the way, since when is it a necessity to play video games? If you live in an underdeveloped nation, save the money you waste on your console to move to a First World country. :/

          Problem solved! <3

        • market power in oligopoly will result in decreased quantity and increased price
          allocative inefficiency not achieved (ie. some who deserve to get the gd does not)
          piracy provides contestable market, resulting in innovation on microsoft’s side
          heres abit of theoretical microeconomics for you
          unfortunately R&D is done to remove piracy
          how about slamming anti-trust laws on microsoft again? 🙂

        • To Anon 9:57

          There are so many people that want to kick your ass and many others

          But anyways,

          You know it’s only a matter of time before WWIII, I mean if people keep stealing so much and they got this ‘Way of Thinking’ that they “Don’t Give A F**K!” attitude. People are already at each others throats when they play against each other on Xbox360 with cursing and racial slurs, that we are actually dealing with a bunch of retards. I haven’t played my Xbox360 since the ring of death and that’s been like 4-5 years now.

          Humans are idiots, and we deserve our oblivion.

        • To all of you who are for piracy. what makes you think you are entitled to the product for free? even if you are poor that doesn’t mean you should get the game for cheap cause you cant afford it. Its like saying, i cant afford a ferrari so they should sell it to me for a $1. Its like you are saying the developers or industry shouldn’t get paid for their hard work. Stop blaming the industry and get a job.

        • @01:44 anon

          No, u’re just a fucking ignorant. There are some places in third world countries where people have very high life standards. But those countries in a whole are usually poor and/or undeveloped, so they charge people with absurd import taxes to “increase the use of national goods over imports”, and then u have some very overpriced stuff.

        • i got my xbox 360 from someone that was traveling to usa… cost me about 430 US dollars
          here it cost 800-900 US dollars
          i make 200 / month… i saved and got my console…
          but i cant pay 1/4 of my salary to get 1 game…

          i leave in the third world and i work 8 hours / day for 6 days a week…

          and i say… FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

        • If anything… I believe that this is just a transitional stage to avoid future piracy to improve the gaming market.

          Hypocritical, yes, but with the way things are, it may better to make piracy not so damn easy and let online distribution and/or more complex encryption help fix the Video Game market.

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