Tales of Betrayal? Namco Recruiting Beta Testers!

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The latest Tales “mothership” title Tales of Graces is due for release just in time to be slaughtered by Final Fantasy XIII, but with the announcement of a Tales of Graces Wii bundle some have begun wondering if this might not signal a (PS3) port is in the offing even now…

Some observers can’t help but notice that each time a Tales game gets bundled with a console the game turns up a year later in a “complete” edition on another platform:

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In 2003, Tales of Symphonia was released bundled with the GameCube, only to be released on the PS2 a year later…

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And notoriously in 2008 the Xbox 360 received an “exclusive” release of Tales of Vesperia, also bundled, which found its way onto the PS3 a year later amidst much acrimony.

Now Tales of Graces is set to be packaged with the Wii. Might it not be released in “perfect” form before 2010 is out?

The real question may be why Namco feels obliged to keep recycling Tales games into complete editions rather than make multi-platform releases, although the answer may be obvious

Tales of Beta is available for pre-order on the Wii now.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    01:59 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This won't be ported....

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:02 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I hate Namco so much.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:37 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think they're just testing the waters...

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:02 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is an awful thing to deceive its customers, especially when the implication (correct or not) is that they are getting inferior products. In reality, I think the practical difference is little. Taking Tales of Vesperia as an example. Sure, the PS3 version had a lot of new content but the overall story and mechanics are the same. At the end of the day, it's the same experience.

    At some level, I am actually sympathetic to Namco's position. They don't make the best RPGs and I don't think they have ever claimed to reinvent the genre. Yet with most RPGs these days, there is always an expectation that a new game is going to be a classic that will be talked about years from now. A battle to protect its "integrity" to consumers is going to be a losing battle.

    But hey, maybe we are just so desperate for a quality RPG that we would take anything we can get to fill in that growing gap.

    19:40 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    As long as they're going to release a(nother) new loli, i'll be fine with that..

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:14 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    tales is fail

    ff13 will crush this loli anime crap

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:57 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't get it.

    Why not like BOTH games?

    Not like buying one brands you as a hater of the others and all stores in the world will forbid you from buying them for all eternity.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:04 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Too bad FF is an old tired franchise that should have tied long, long ago. I know I won't be buying a copy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:50 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, and they have to switch to action RPG for 13 Versus as to test the water since they already knew that turn-based is more and more like crap as time passed...

    So who can explain to me what's the fun in seeing your characters and the monsters taking turns to get fucked?

    01:35 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh my, not another "FF7 is the best and first RPG ever made" fanboy again..

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    Comment by Exitium
    00:54 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why not have the games beta tested before they are sold on any platform?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Beta test" in this case is really a red herring created to fuel the pointless console war. The Tales "beta" versions are all retail versions, bug-tested and quite playable.

    For Namco, the "complete" or "ultimate" versions are the real challenges, given that they have to be beefed up in content in order to justify people buying them a year or longer from the earlier release.

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    Comment by TNinja
    23:40 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Their strategy is really good for their income, but is it good for the fans? Not like THEY care anyway.

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    Comment by chriselric
    10:23 13/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sweet. Graces is on the wii. I better keep my PS3 in tip top shape for next Christmas.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:25 13/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Huh, if S*ny fanbois don't mind getting inferior (Wii level graphics) game after a year (= even more inferior)...

    Oh, wait, PS3 games suck so badly that no one will notice the difference anyway ;P

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    Comment by Bronxdragon
    13:59 20/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    But Tales have remade all of their games......seriously they really have remade all of there games.......All the mothership titles except Eternai have been remade......2 of them have sequals...

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:05 24/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually, Abyss/Legendia/Hearts/Innocence weren't remade and all of them are Mothership titles.

    Destiny 2/Rebirth/Phantasia/Eternia saw PSP ports with little to no extras (Phantasia was just given new sprites and a full voice over like Vesperia PS3 while I forget what little Destiny 2 got). However, the difference between them and their original counterparts are so little that they can't be considered remade.

    Destiny is the one Tales game I consider TRULY remade. It got new everything and the DC version even lets you play Leon's side of the story, offering another take on the storyline.

    Vesperia PS3 has enough content for it to be considered a remake but it still isn't quite there. Patty already had her role in the story but I just think that it wasn't possible to include the entirety of that game on the 360.

    I've got Graces and I think this whole beta issue is stupid. Missing data or bugs simply mean that either the game was rushed or Quality Assurance didn't do their job all the way. In Vesperia PS3's case, there are numerous reasons (most of them speculated) as to why PS3 got a "complete" edition. I didn't even expect Vesperia to come to PS3. I was hoping for a new Tales game but I'm not complaining.

    Besides, for their first real 3-D entry, Team Destiny still did an amazing job. If Tales remakes or so-called "betas" are bothering you, then stop paying attention to them. Tales games appearing across multiple platforms means that MORE users have access to that game, especially the PSP re-releases since that means portability and those games can be played anywhere.

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    Comment by GodOfSpeed
    02:10 22/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reason will be money of course ;)

    Exclusive doesn't mean anything in video games nowadays. Except for 1st party games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:04 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Logical thinking might be similar to this.

    But this isn't.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:45 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No way in hell I am even thinking about buying this for at least a year after that fucking stunt they pulled with Vesperia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:06 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, bitchers just wait for your supposed PS3 version.

    I'll go get the Wii version in just 2 months while you can wait.

    What I'm trying to say is: getting a game a year earlier (and its own way, complete) is also a good thing.

    And them adding so much new stuff is apprecicated too. I'd also buy Vesperia PS3 (despite already having the Xbox version) if they release it in the west. If they just had done a straight port, I wouldn't.

    Like this, I can enjoy a good game twice.

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    Comment by Vetus
    18:25 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Resident Evil 4, Viewtiful Joe and Killer 7 were the huge Capcom "exclusives" for Gamecube. And it was supposed that Resident Evil later games would be exclusive for the Nintendo system. Not a long time later these three games were released for PS2. And not only that but it released a sequel of Viewtiful Joe as well.

    "Exclusive" my ass! The only exclusives that are actually exclusives are Rareware games and DOA francise.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:08 13/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    It was Capcom Five precisely, with PN 03 and Deadh Phoenix (and the first remain an exclusive title).

    Btw this article is crap.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:12 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    wtf is ruri doing in there

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    Comment by Rokudaime
    11:26 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Question: Is Namco and Bandai the same company? Because I hear of Bandai Namco, but in some games it says Bandai, and in some it says Namco, so I'm confused....also, Namco are indeed not nice for backstabbing like that all the time, but I can't hate them if they are Bandai....they gave me the Narutimate Naruto games for the PS2.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:15 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    if Graces goes PS3 I might finally go out and get one

    screw the Wii I don't want one anymore anyways

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:55 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Vesperia wasn't enough?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:11 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That would be perfect...too good a game for a shitty console like the wii.

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    Comment by Rokudaime
    11:19 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wii is a great console. But ic lacks in third-party games, and graphics. PS3 is also a good console. XBox 360 fails for ruining your disc if you bump it even a little bit while it's running, and for notoriously breaking down so much (red ring of death). I'l probably still get one though....I wanna play Gears of War 2, and the non-crappy version of Bayonetta.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:15 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    GC/PS2 and 360/PS3 were similar in capabilities. A Wii -> PS3 port would suck unless they completely redid it, which doesn't seem like something they would do.

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    Comment by Bastille
    14:25 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only commenter with logic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:10 14/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually RE5 producer said JP devs are happy
    with up coming PS3 remote to fold console
    with Wii ports so It make sense in japan

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    Comment by taz0x
    15:23 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ah but if it sells extremely well then that may change. Remember what they did with the remake of Tales of Destiny. You just never know until about 3months after a work's release

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:30 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If the developers have PS3 in mind in the first place, they could just dump down the quality to make a Wii release. Many games these days have PS2/PS3 parallel release with PS2 version being a stripped down PS3 original. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:18 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why not port to 360 too?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:00 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because there's too few 360s in GLORIOUS NIPPON.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:28 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Also interesting is that neither of those Playstation versions made it to NA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:37 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Inversely, however, the US release of Abyss was more complete than the Japanese version and featured additional Hi-Ougi's and character cut-ins, though the voice acting for skits was left out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:28 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    as long as its a mothership tales game, its worth its price, tales games are famous for being so complete in content and gameplay.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:50 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...so what platform is Tales of Betrayal going to be on?

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    Comment by CJLopez
    16:40 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i c what ya did there, +9000!!!

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    Comment by Stev0isnub
    13:19 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Doesn't affect me. Wii version will be out waaaaaaaaaaaay before I get a PS3.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:11 13/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Be happy, cuz you won't be playing any other games for the next year anyway.

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    Comment by g0dslay3r
    13:08 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    the thing is that those tales games were all made on non-sony systems.if they were made on a sony system i doubt they would be remade

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    Comment by First Posting Idiot
    13:22 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If they were made on the PS3 first, they'd have to downgrade the graphics to port it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:20 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sure, just like FF13 is being downgraded...other than square enix saying it'll be the exact same. Or how Bayonetta was...oh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:46 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hasn't stopped them in the past. Graphically the PS2 version of Symphonia was inferior to the Gamecube ver, as was the PS3 version of Vesperia compared to the 360.

    Comment by Guumii
    13:07 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is why Namco is the worst game company on the face of the earth (next to Data Design Interactive).

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    Comment by DK
    13:16 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Namco Tales Studios to be exact. Katsuhiro Harada's division loves their foreign fanbase and goes out of their way to try and please everybody (even if they don't work sometimes).

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:26 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you think namco is a bad game company, then cannot be over 10 years old.

    You fail at every possible level.

    Honestly. I tell you this as a full time game developer. If you were trying to work in the game industry, don't. Just don't even try.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:20 12/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you think namco is a bad game company, then cannot be over 10 years old.

    You fail at every possible level.

    Honestly. I tell you this as a full time game developer. If you were trying to work in the game industry, don't. Just don't even try.>>>>>>>>>

    Why do you say that?
    Namco, continually screws over there non japanese fans with the Tales series and also xenosaga series.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:53 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Making games in XNA doesn't count.

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    Comment by the7k
    14:47 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They're turning the Katamari series into a Dynasty Warrior-esque "Minor Upgrade for $60" deal, Soul Calibur 4 was notoriously broken and lacking in content, and they continuously waffle on exclusitivity, whether it be Tales of Vesperia going to the PS3, or Tekken 6 going to the Xbox 360.

    Worst? Yeah, I suppose that's a bit harsh. However, I can certainly see how many people would be disappointed with them lately.

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    Comment by eon789
    14:59 11/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Prove it.





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