Christian Fundamentalists Behind Japan’s Loli Ban

Dropping out is fine too. I went to a Christian school for about 11 years in my childhood. Never really bought into it. Same with my parents. As soon as I graduated I could stop with facade.

They did give me a pretty cool Bible though.

iia, dakara, "not ALL Christians are this crazy."

Japan has Christian too?
I thought they have their own religion like Thailand...
Wee... I'll join their church when I get a chance to move to Japan :)

I thought I'm the only Christian anime fan, I was wrong xD

Three cheers for atheism.

ALLAH AKBAR MUSLIM BROTHERS! WE MUST CRASH CHRISTIANICK SEEDS OF EVUL AND SPREAD OUR HOLY SEMEN ALL OVER JAPAN LOLI BODIES!

ALLAH AKBAR MUSLIM BROTHERS! We must crash christianick seed of evul and spread our holy semen all over japanese womans body! Right after we cover them with scarfs obviouslky!

Thankfully, though its an irony by its own right, is contributed by those who "think they are in an extremely influential position" when they are just some where above the average Christians.

We have not heard anything from Rome so who cares about what these idiots say.

You should adopt a loli then marry her in your country instead. It's legal there, no?

Your god says no loli, no voyeurism, and no masturbation. What do you say to god?

i say to god:stfu fgt! gb2hevvn!

srsly you could make great hentai out of the bible
adamXeve=incest
sodom and gommorha=yaoi and raep
lotXhis daughters=loli incest
jeebus getting crucified=guro

Her eternal “Father” impregnating - “come upon you” (I am not making this up!) a Jewish 12 year old named Mary and giving her to a 30 something year old man named Joseph to sleep naked with and at least a Quicky on the wedding night to be fully legally married according to Judaism.

Must be some other religion there in Japan.

Yahweh agrees with Mo.

and he read it in the Bible and saw that loli was Good.

Curious, what religion is against loli?

I'm praying for everyone in this thread. May you one day know the peace and love of Christ.

Minority fag here and im proud that my religion, although small, really doesnt care enough to interfere with others

Spoilers: its not cause they don't want to its because they are to small to accomplish anything

I'm praying you one day learn the hate and disgust of MY lord Ieyasu Tokugawa. And you best pray he reaches you...before I do, for I shall not be as lenient.

Atheist Buddhist Christianity ftw

It's over 9000 !

sorry had to say that, but yeah a theocracy would be madness right now and they cant blame society's problems on porn.
If some videos and games can incite to rape/prostitustion/whatever that much, GTA would be cause to all car thefts and murders in the world.

Just sayin

All religious extremists need to be killed.
All religious leaders need to be killed.
All femnazis need to be killed.

The world would be a way better place without them.

What a tolerant and enlighten comment to make, Schrobby. Glad to see that Atheism offers us change.

You're not any better Anon, generalizing atheists. Speaking of tolerance, pfff... but femnazis indeed need to be killed.

I'm sorry, I didn't meant to sound like I was generalizing Atheist. I meant that was what he's pushing.

I'm a Christian and I have normal Atheist friends. It just seems that the internet is overran with extremist, from all creeds, and it really makes me mad.

Please accept my apologies.

There are religious extremists, and then there are atheistic extremists. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

extremists on the internet? Thats like saying there are girls on the internet.

@nocture: Only difference is, the Atheist extremist isn't doing things in the name of a glorified Santa Claus. It's doing things in the name of science and a better society.

:)

Science and better society? How does killing all Christians help science and society? If anything, there would be a backlash aganst Atheist and it would make you no better than Christians that want Atheist dead. *That wouldn't be a Christian though. A real Christian is tolerant.*

and who stoped scintific advances in the datk ages if it wasnt the cristians

And you still had professed Christians advancing Science. Point?

You are all missing that these people were not Christians. They were ignorant souls pushing their agenda.

It's too bad that people can't just respect each other's beliefs. If people just respected each other, instead of trying to force their beliefs on other people, the world would be a much happier place.

You said it, Panik.

When your beliefs revolve around there being an invisible man in the sky watching you and will eagerly condemn you to everlasting suffering if you don't believe in him, then there's really not much to respect...

I'm an Atheist and I don't believe in killing people but the religious extremists and ignorant people need to be removed from power and should be ignored. People like that help ruin the world and have done so before.

Anime-ist, that got to be the right way.

haruhi-ist?

horo-ist?

kannagi-ist?

kettle meet Pol Pot - wasn't he killing everyone who had the intellectual capacity to read a Manga or above?

I agree that we should all respect each other's beliefs even though there is that one guy in the crowd who would want you dead for what you believe in. As for radicals, let them be. There are very few radicals out of the whole of most beliefs and they don't pose much of a threat, 9/11 is about as bad as it gets.

"I agree that we should all respect each other's beliefs"
Agree 100% with ya....hmmm maybe I should get into Buddhism now...I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard they respect other religions/cultures and don't force their religion on others. Though of course every religion is gonna have it's extremist nutcases that try to force everyone to have their views...

Religion is a tool for those who wield it.

Why are you embarrassed?

Exactly my thoughts. It causes no harm, they're simply drawings.

Who said anything about not believing? If by written you mean how other people interpret it, no thanks. I read and learn for myself. I don't think giving some fancy speaker in a football-field-sized building money will save my soul. Nor do I think that all gays should be hung.

You're barking up the wrong tree if you're trying to make me second guess myself. Anyway, the torn comment was in jest. Yes, I love Rin to death, but she is DRAWN! I'm pretty sure God won't punish me for having a little affection towards an ideal. Anyway, my interest in Kodomo no Jikan goes deeper than "LOL LOLI PANTSU!"

@13:18, not all Christians take the Bible in its entirety literally. as 13:30 said, its a matter of interpretation, and certain denominations of Christianity are being a lot more flexible in policies and social views before.

I really don't understand this Belief vs. Not-Belief War anyway; I think I can much better grasp a Reasonable PEOPLES vs Stupid PERSONS War.

there's a reason racism was finally considered bad, folks.

This isn't racism, there is no "race" being discriminated against. It's a matter of accepting reality vs delusional thinking.

In te name of Allmighty god we will ban loli!
And Bear we will ban too.

@kairuu
As soon as your brothers and sisters in faith stop putting social stigmas on others (ex: homosexuals, satanists, lolicons) and impending scientific research (ex: stem cell, cloning) because it's against their god's will, I will stop having a problem with them.

Until then, I will keep considering Christianity an enemy of humanity and me personally. And don't go washing your hands with "not all Christians are like this". Like it or not, you are also part of their side of the argument.

It's pretty funny how some Christians will say "well, that guy isn't a REAL Christian because they're not interpreting the Bible correctly," and then the aforementioned "that guy" turns around and says "no, THAT guy isn't the real Christian, HE'S the one that isn't interpreting the Bible correctly."

That's pretty inconsistent, right? With religion being so open to interpretation, it's not like you can prove/disprove that a particular version is the "true" faith. I'm not sure you can do that with any faith, really ~ from each point of view the other view is a stain to the former, y'know?

"And Bear we will ban too."

Ban bears? But what will God use to rip to shreds kids who make fun of bald prophets, then?

Blame the catholics. Trying to destroy christianity with their lies of men and moral.

really i dont see much difference between modest civilised believers and atheists

you cant believe in the ilogical stories in the bible and listen to reason and sciece at the same time wich makes them religious in name only

religion will die out among the educated

Is win.

All religions are based in bogus evidence claims, hallucinations and appeal to emotion. When are you Christians going to wake up?

+9000

-9002

I lol'ed even harder! +1 to Anonymous 11:37.

According to many Christians, the Old Testament laws aren't applicable any more because Jesus died for ours sins.

Exactly. But he'll damn us for eternity if we don't give him donations.

Sounds like a bank.

Welcome to AIJesus

According to those same Christians the hate to homosexuality is justified because the Old Testament is the Word of God.

Regardless, Jesus is "one" with god that kills little babies to show off, demanded the sacrifice of animals to "appease" himself and ordered you to kill witches, homosexuals and rude kids.

Christ didn't even disavow that he was like "Oh don't fuck them now, "me my daddy" am going to fuck then for all eternity latter"

Stop worshiping that asshole.

Ok brosef, I never said Jesus commanded his followers to hunt Wizards, but God certainly did. Ironic, isn't it?
I'm also not hearing you deny that Exodus and plenty other parts of the Bible that are bloody, savage, and just plain ridiculous.
Want another example? How about the obvious brutal murder of Jephthah's daughter in Judges 11?

And, I hate to break it to you, but saying the Old Testament is no longer valid because Jesus died for our sins is such a huge fucking cop-out. If the Bible is supposed to be the "one true word of God" how can it contain all of the bogus, inaccurate, or no longer applicable information that it does?

As a moral guide or source for "truth" the Bible utterly fails (Pi is a round number?). It's not even that great of a book if purely taken as a work of literature. I'd rather read Lord of the Rings.

The only honest conclusion is that the Bible was written by ignorant bigoted savages who knew nothing about how the world around them actually works.

LOL. There are hundreds, if not thousands of types of Christianity. Those who claim only christians "hunted witches" and the sacrificial lamb ceremony...do you even understand the basis of the religion to criticize it? No? Ah...I see.

Because the way humans interpret the same material is infinitely different, obviously youre gonna get some christians who read the bible who fully support a new crusade on the non believer and other christians who will keep to themselves.

Preach less anonymous unless you can seriously support arguments against religion with hard, proven facts that dont include the corruption of man and mind.

Kortaku...

There may be hundreds of types, and thousands of regional churches, but what's your point other than a veiled argument from authority. Of course Christianity wasn't the only religion to promote ritual sacrifice, but I don't see how that changes anything.

Also, what do you mean by "corruption of man and mind"? I think what you're getting at is that I can't use bloody conflict in the name of religion as an example of how religion does harm to society because their minds have been somehow corrupt by earthly desires...Am I right? On that same line of thinking, what about all of the minds corrupted by taking the words of the Bible literally? A good example of how religion poisons everything is how it shuns proper intellectual development and education, instead preferring indoctrination and blind obedience. One need not look much further than 51% of Americans rejecting Evolution and believing that humans were specially created in present form...DESPITE the inescapable truth that Evolution is a fact and forms the basis of all modern biology and genetic research.

To throw this back at you, let me quote Chris Hitchens, "Name me an ethical statement made or an action performed by a believer that could not have been made or performed by a non-believer."

@ anon 12:39
I love you.

The bible is best to be viewed as a written epic, in the same ranks as the Odyssey, Gilgamesh, and The Divine Comedey etc. Rather than a real document that is to be taken at face-value on every single word. That would almost seem like someone saying that Greek gods are what we should be worshipping because of the Odyssey... Which is obviously just amazing proof of the existance of the greek gods, since thats exactly what you're saying with the bible... What? its been proven that Jesus was a real person? and he actually did a few things? So was Gilgamesh. Does that mean that we can all go find wise old men who took part in an archetypal flood to revive our dead friends? No. It doesn't.

And this is why I hate having to live in a Christian household with a person denying evolution one minute yet being completely engrossed in the Science/History/National Geographic channel the next... O__O

Chalk it up to being a better writer than generations of Jewish scholars of varying temperaments, but:

Homer never actually says you should worship the gods, just that they're incredibly volatile and fickle, and you're pretty much fucked if you don't.

The odyssey, in particular, seems to suggest that being resourceful >
being religious.

Being the pet favourite of a somewhat more reasonable deity like Athena also tends to help.

"The pope is a goddam asshole"
That make me lol so fucking hard XD

The pope is a nazi. Thats true by the way. look it up.

yeah yeah. because he's german? and no, he isn't a nazi.

Wasn't the Pope a Hitler Youth or sumthing? I cud have sworn I heard them mention that on the news.

Well, I looked this up when he was inaugurated as well and... I believe he was in the Hitler Youth for awhile.

Actually he was a nazi when he was young lol. It's true.

Your options as a German kid were pretty limited in that era.

In hindsight, none of them were very good.

The pope and his minions are all hypocritical refuse of the Earth. I would not be surprised if it was found out they worship Satan when their day's work of destroying people's lives are done.

Not a single one of those "religious leaders" practice anything they espouse. They tell everyone to live in frugality and pray for forgiveness on their knees from their palaces and mansions. The archbishop of Canterbury has two palaces, no less.

Then you have the issue with condoms where contraceptives are forbidden to the point where people's lives are put into danger from diseases like HIV. A stance the church refuses to change even when contraceptives are not addressed at all by the Bible. At this point it's pure pride at the expense of the lives of men, women and children.

To drive the point further home, anywhere from 25% to 50% of pregnacies never make it to live birth, ending in miscarriages. So whatever the church claims about the "evils" of contraception, god takes it one step further.

Lastly, the pedophilia scandal... ex-prez Bush giving the pop immunity from molestation charges. I think that pretty much sums up the whole thing.

Damn, so much more I could go on... Yeah, so you Catholics better listen to the pope or you may end up as a moral, civil human being. This pretty much also applies to any form of organized religion.

No, don't go nuking them. Remember the last time we nuked something? We got Japan - driving economic and scientific force in the new world as well as a cultural influence that makes the Civilization games seem a little too realistic.

If a tiny nation of small yellow people who were too poor to afford bullets and had to use fucking swords, then imagine what it would do to Christianity? I don't look forward to the next crusade.

Made of win

So do you believe in Christianity just because heaven sounds better than nothingness? Seems awfully naive to accept a belief on the basis of its appeal, rather than its actual merit.

I mean, just because you believe you'll go to heaven doesn't mean you're not also going to be worm food. The atheist just isn't in denial about it.

So is it proven that there is no afterlife? So just because there is a movement of modern science that is somewhat tending to be against religion, you will blindly follow it? Is that really different from religion? Is modern science infallible? Ah...foolish atheists who criticize religion and foolish religion theists who criticize atheism. Believe what you want, dont be an ass about it.

Lol, if you really think theres nothing after this life, damn,thats a pretty bleak existence.....

Study religion for a few good decades in its entirety and then choose your beliefs and/or atheism. Too many < 25 year olds who know nothing of what they dont believe in...ZzZ

It's 72 virgins. Go back to your trailer park.

Why 72 though? Bit much right? Maybe it's just 'cuz I'm a romanticist... Also do they have at least intelectual knowledge of sex? are they women? It be pretty nasty to get to heaven to find 72 inexperienced guys waiting for you... not only are they male but they don't know crap about anything.

durka durka

@Kortaku, 12:52

This is where Occam's Razor comes in. Generally, the most straightforward explanation is the most likely. In this case, that when people appear to die and rot, that they actually /do/ die and rot. If you want to introduce hideously more complex/complicated explanations involving conspiracy-theory-esque secretive superintelligences and a whole invisible kingdom of an afterlife filled with human minds, the burden of proof/significant evidence for that is on _you_.

If nothing else, observation of the effects of brain damage (to various parts of the human brain with the respective results) on the human mind is support enough for the perception that the human mind is damaged, ages and dies along with the brain[ it runs on].

Occam's Razor is a joke. The simplest explanations for things throughout history have almost always been wrong - "the sun revolves around the earth", "the heart controls the body", etc. Some things just inherently have COMPLEX explanations to them, including evolution, genetics, biology, quantum physics, etc.

Why people ever bring up Occam's Razor just baffle's me.

It's not that Occam's Razor is wrong - people just keep applying it incorrectly.

Occam's Razor doesn't say that "the simpler of two theories is usually correct." That's a misconception a lot of atheists go by.

What it says is more along the lines of "the simpler of two competing and observably correct theories is preferable."

There's a huge difference there, the two theories have to be already known to be correct and usually they're observably similar in description. What Occam's Razor really tries to do is to reduce the number of assumptions in an explanation to it's simplest form, NOT to say that the simplest explanation is the correct one (especially when the simplest explanation is observably NOT correct).

We know for certain that the 72 are girls.
The "boys as pearls" were the additional bonus package.

I just know bullshit when I see it. Atheism is the same old shit that extremist have been offer, but packaged for today's idealistic and materialistic youth.

Idiots like 11:12 up there preach their hate-filled spew, then get all uppity and holy when a theist says two words to them about their beliefs.

cool story bro.

Except that atheism follows the idea that observable and provable evidence is far more likely to hold true than a 2000 years old book that has been rewritten time after time during the early history of Christianity.

We have mathematics, physics, biology, chemistry, archeology, paleontology and a lot more. What makes your holy book more creditable?

Even if science has it's holes, scientists make claims based on prior knowledge. There is no single fact in science that isn't based on something that was previously proven. There are some ridiculous theories (hello, dark matter), but so far, the scientific method gave us electricity, atomic energy, flight, polymers, medicine, computers etc...

The bottom line, is that there is no difference between blind belief and delusion, unless you have the proof.

If you are an athiest, you believe that reality is what an individual makes of it, and that it is not controlled by supernatural factors.

Thus, if a person defines his reality by having a God, then God exists in his reality, until the moment of his death, when his mind is unable to function.
Even if it is his personal reality, science says, "I think, therefore I exist." So if your existence is defined by your thought, then logically to someone who believes in God He is as real as anything, because the world is an illusion generated by the mind.

God existing for him is as true as God not existing for you. In the end, 80 years is too short for anyone to prove anything. Whether you believe in God or nothing, you still die, so what makes Athiests so superior?

If you are happy while alive is what matters. Being a happy Christian beats a sulky Athiest anyday.

And Christian =/= Disbelief in Science. Your statements make it seem that all Athiests have a PhD or something.

Really, science is not a faith, it is logic.
Christianity inversely, is faith, not logic.
Logic doesn't clash with faith, because logic is what can be seen and proven true or false, and faith is what cannot be seen, but is believed.