UNICEF: “Freedom of Expression Should Be Restricted”

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The head of UNICEF has condemned Japan for failing to pass tougher anti-loli laws, dismissing concerns about human rights out of hand: “If it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted.”

UNICEF’s Executive Director Ann Veneman, an American career bureaucrat, made the remarks in a press conference, saying that Japan’s failure to pass more draconian laws was “a violation of the rights of children” and that it “allowed access to people in other countries,” apparently ignoring the fact that distributing pornography involving minors online or otherwise is already quite illegal in Japan.

Japan already rigourously enforces bans on the making and distribution of pornography featuring participants under the age of 18, and the efforts of the LDP to secure an even more wide reaching ban on “simple possession” were widely castigated as being unnecessary and likely to be abused; in the end the bill was defeated.

It should be noted that the UNICEF in question is the “real” UNICEF, and part of the UN proper, whereas Agnes Chan’s UNICEF Japan is actually an independent Japanese organisation which merely uses the UNICEF name (with permission) to give itself an aura of legitimacy and encourage donations; UNICEF Japan has nothing to do with the UN.

Via Asahi.

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    • Surely “Restricting the Freedom of Expression” won’t have any unentended consequences….

      Nor will recognising fictional (non-exhistant) characters as having rights, do anything harmful to other media…

      No siree!

    • First Posting Idiot says:

      “Likely to be abused” is RIGHT when it comes to enforcing simple possession. There have been several cases of people getting arrested in the U.S. after getting photos developed with their kids in bathtubs.

      I’m surprised the “Actual” UNICEF is wasting so much time while children in Africa are dying of Diarrhea(Polluted Water)and children are getting forced into marriage in some Muslim Countries.

      The new Prime minister should pass a Loli Bailout bill.

      • well, that way they’re safe. there’s no mafia for 2d porn, but the 3d porn is saturated with it. they’re just afraid of getting killed.

        which means, we need to form a 2d mafia, extorting money from conservative politicians with wrong world views, assassinating people like agnes and other shitheads for trying to mess with our profits and so.

      • They’d do Africa a favor by using all those sleeping nukes around the world and end their misery. Fund other real organizations that the world can benefit from. Not backwards civilization that the only contribution they gave the world is AIDS and disease.

      • I can see the connection to 1984 with the restriction of individual guarantees and government censorship(Miniluv fuck yeah!!) and totalitarianism and whatnot but… “brave new world”? I fail to see the connection. Care to elaborate?

    • Ah yes, UNICEF, home to Feminists & Islamists.
      Where Evidence is ignored and appeals to emotion rule supreme.
      Why they just rip themselve appart and stop trying to make live miserable for everyone else.

      They seem to be overly obsessed with non existent enities like drawn lolis and alah.

      • Wait.
        Don’t lump us (Islamists) together with the Feminists!
        We seek complete domination of men, so they are our natural enemies! We will help you, weeaboos, to destroy these heathens!
        /sarcasm

    • Mr.Turnabout says:

      Yes, I agree. This is all just getting REALLY stupid. Do they have ANY idea what the consequences will be if they begin banning all the regular stuff that they show. This is nothing more then a plan to contain and destroy individuality.

      In The Distant Future…
      There will be Millions of People, blowing their brains out….
      Just cause people like this win.

    • While some loli-cons like CP and child molestation, There are many of us who find this kind of 3D behavior disgusting.

      I’d be lying if i said loli didn’t promote some sort of pedo mentality, but on the other side it helps sate the inner immoral desires of some.

      Honestly, id rather people pulling their dicks or mashing their clams to something drawn rather than something in which an innocent was hurt/abused.

        • What exactly are the statistics for child rape of 3d children around the world? I promise that it cant be nearly as high as 2d rape, since it is perfectly legal to rape 2d children 2d children are raped by the millions! There are very few imaginary children in anime tha have NOT been raped (thank you very much rule 34). If 3d children where raped as opften, it would be considered the biggest crisis in history! Something NEEDS to be done!

        • Fighting fictional drawings that cant fight back is better than going against REAL rape which can get Agnes and *feminazi idiots fucked by the mafia & others real promoters of loli and the like.

          Bunch of hypocrites.

        • Real children are starving in Africa, real women are being raped in Africa, and real people are dying in Africa. Instead people like Ann Veneman, Agnes Chan and Equality Now are only concerned on spending large number of funds on complaining about fictional characters.

          Meanwhile I can guarantee you Ann Veneman, Agnes Chan and Equality Now heads are living excessively in expensive homes and feasting voraciously on expensive meals that they funnel from the actual funds that were supposed to go to the people who desperately needs it. There’s no way they can reach to the top status without being corrupted like them nowadays.

  • “UNICEF’s Executive Director Ann Veneman, an American career bureaucrat”

    As an American [USA FTW!!] I regard “Career Bureaucrats” as lower then pedophiles; lower even than USA politicians. Bureaucrats aren’t elected, so there’s no voting the vermin out.

  • Meltyblood says:

    Fuck UNICEF go help some real people in the world then waste money on this stupid ban.
    There are many people suffering in this world.
    They need great help right now and by doing this you are wasting money on valuable time and more people will die in this world.

  • there trying to make japan most hatted by this bullshit like usa is. usa sucks balls when it comes to shit like this i fully soport japs all togeather. fuck usa exsply since they voted in a fucking retarted
    then again (edited.)

  • To be completely fucking honest, id much rather fap to a perfect loli without any hitches in body or face, and who has the abbility to do whatever like grow boobs or whatnot.
    Then an ugly 4 year old that snots all over you and has no clue what sex is, then only to tell about it later on.
    Yep, loli is best, fucking politician retards thinking about useless shit.
    Soon we cannot even ejaculate.
    Grr!

  • With the world-wide child-slave market, the child-soldier situations throughout Africa, South America, & the Middle East, & the mormon men in Utah marrying 2 or more little girls in addition to their already having one or more adult wives, where does UNICEF get the time & money to worry about anime, manga, and video games?

  • “freedom of expression should be restricted”.
    I totally agree with this.
    And we should start shutting up UNICEF and that feminazi group (Idiocy now or something like that, don’t remember exactly)

  • As long there’s no pornography involving children (which is strictly illegal even if it’s a doujinshi) i’m personally not aware of any law demanding you not to keep nude images with drawn characters that my signify an age below 18.

  • It’s the problem with the moral people.

    There’s a difference between saying “I believe you shouldn’t eat meat because we can get all of the nutrients we need without killing animals.” And “It is now illegal to eat meat, if you eat it you go to prison, stop eating meat, only bad people eat meat.”

    Or “Porn is a vice, so as moral people against vice we should ban all porn and not expect negative repercussions.”

    “Video games are evil because violence didn’t exist before video games.

    I can respect concerned people saying “You might not want to ____ for health reasons.” And “THOU SHAAALLLT NOOOTTTT!

    I think it’s people that never experienced different kinds of pleasure telling people that since they never “needed” that pleasure or release, then noone else should have it because everyone should be as “morally upright” as them.

    Of course moral faggotry ends when the pastor against gays gets caught doing meth off of a male hookers chest.

    Some people believe that if they don’t push their agenda on people who don’t believe in what they believe then THEIR soul is destined for hell. So they’ll go through contortions to force you to behave in a way acceptable to them.

  • Strawberry Suicide says:

    Well, seeing as most medieval cultures had an average life expectancy of about 25-40, I don't think one can say that the lolicon fetish is an exclusively Japanese trait.

    I agree, mainly every culture let old geezers marry young girls…But I wouldn't call THAT lolicon, because :
    1. lolicon is always combined with obsession for cuteness…The higher the cawaii factor, the more are lolicon into a person or character…
    I never saw any woman/character being center of lolicon attention and not being cute/moé at the same time…We only have to look at the seiyuu casts, were on photoshoots they desperatly try to gain some moé level by cute posing or catears…etc…
    2. In contrary, Western culturess never idealized cuteness to the extent Japan did and does…Men rather choose ideal women for their feminim features and NOT for their cuteness…
    Also I've seen hundred times women like Beyoncé or Rihanna being tagged as 'cute' by Western ppl…Western cultures tend to make difference between 'child-like cuteness' and 'adult cuteness' and men usually feel attraction for the second…
    By lolicon however we can't talk about different kind of cuteness…Kawaii is kawaii should it be a child or an adult( which is to be the result of the childish appearence of Japanese beauties I mentioned in my former post )…And a high procent of Japanese men – mostly between the age of the demography 'seinen' – are almost obsessively captured by this cuteness…And that is the true lolita complex of Japan…
    Western lolicon have a rather 'japanized' taste in my point of view…Though I know quiet a few guys who are still into non-cute women but tend to prefer Asian/Japanese 3D and 2D loli…
    I can't really understand why child welfare organizations are so high on banning lolicon material…Even if I put myself in their position, it is a pointless action…
    If truly the worst is to come, lolicon will still not vanish…It will rather go from 'slightly mainstream' to underground…the difference is that underground material is less to be controlled —> child pornograpy could even increase…
    Also those pedophiles who could manage to restrict their sick desires to 2D lolicon material – well, even 3D by photobooks and DVDs – will now have no 'legal' availability —> I wonder how much that will increase the number of abuse and harassment victims…
    ( Oh, I just realized my last words were already written by Anon XD Well, good I'm not alone with my thoughts 😛 )

  • Strawberry Suicide says:

    Maikeru said:
    this doesnt apply to me, but alot of people might just think "if I cant get the animated version, I'll get the real version"…
    isnt that….far more dangerous ? ._.

    If a person thinks the way, you are referring to means automatically he has pedophile tendencies…
    As such the person is not to be considered a lolicon anymore, since lolita complex only describes the attraction to ( very ) young or young looking females or characters and NOT the actual sexually abusive behavior towards children…
    Also lolicon is a very special kind of complex that normally only applies to Asians / Japanese…
    1. Japan has a long history of sexual attraction towards young ppl – countless princesses were to marry at an age of 12-14…Prince Genji ( Genji monogatari ) himself had a 13 yr old princess as wife…
    2. Buddhist monks kept young, mostly abandoned boys as temple servants – and very often they were also used as sexslaves…
    3. In ancient times male children were introduced ceremonially at the age of 6-7…With the age of 11-13 they've began their studies and practicing swordsmanship…Between 6-11 they or their family had to decide on a master who will personally guide the boy – which in a lot of cases contained 'sexual education' as well, called wakashudo ( the way of the youth )…See Oda Nobunaga + Mori Ranmaru
    4. We also have to take into consideration that beautiful Japanese woman tend have naturally childish features – small and a slightly chubby body ( nowadasy rather slender because they do diets and exercise ), round face, cute eyes, small breasts…
    The lolita complex is a natural attraction of Japanese men for Japanese women having the above mentioned let's say 'retro' look combined with the cuteness mania of the whole nation…

    • Well, seeing as most medieval cultures had an average life expectancy of about 25-40, I don’t think one can say that the lolicon fetish is an exclusively Japanese trait. It was commonplace, even at the turn of the 19th century, for men as old as forty to marry girls as young as fifteen.
      Edger Alan Poe had an extremely young wife (I can’t remember how young right now, but it was something crazy like thirteen or fourteen.)

      Also, in the Islamic and Hindu world, it’s perfectly legal to marry a young child, as long as the marriage brings prosperity to both of the families. Though it has to be said that this practice is (thankfully) in decline.

      It’s a global trend, and I think that lolita art is a much safer grounding method than simply banning it. Once something is banned completely, it just goes underground, and people can get hurt by it. The fact that UNICEF seems to have missed this is surprising given the organization’s track record.

  • Setting aside the more trollish posts, some very good points have come up in this thread.
    My opinion (As a non-lolicon, but a 2D lover nonetheless) is that such laws eerily mirror the laws against homosexuality which moved Alan Turing (Grandfather of the computer and the scientist responsible for cracking the German “enigma” code) to commit suicide.

    Based on an absolutist moral faith, loli/shota really IS an evil that must be stamped out. Like the question of abortion, gay rights and all freedom of expression issues, the consequences are not important. What matters is the preconceived concept of absolute morality.

    But a consequentialist sees things differently. To the consequentialist, what matters is the result of an action, not the action itself.
    Does homosexuality really harm people, or is greater harm caused by restricting it? Is a human fetus capable of feeling pain? How much? Would the mother or her family suffer more than the child would if she were to carry on with the pregnancy?

    A consequentialist approach to this whole issue would require several steps back by people on all sides (Or better yet, analysis by a third, uninvolved party) so that the data can be processed rationally.

    The way I see it, (Once again, as a non-lolicon) 2D characters are works of artistic fiction. Therefore, it is absurd in the highest degree to prosecute or imprison those who draw or view such material.

    A side point which I think is quite relevant:
    The people who read loli-manga or play eroge don’t actually BELIEVE that their contents are true. The same can not be said of the followers of the Bible, which not only fails to condemn child sexual abuse, but actively encourages it (When you read the accounts of the invasion of the promised land, it is important to remember that the term “virgin” often meant “very young woman” in the original Hebrew) Not to mention the other, far more barbaric stories in the bible which include (but are not limited to):

    Infanticide,

    human sacrifice (including attempted -and later successful- child sacrifice by God’s chosen ones,)

    cannibalism (God punished the Israelites with a famine so great that “the mother would eat even her own child.” Later, the prophecy comes to pass,)

    incestuous rape (surprisingly, it was the daughters who raped Lot, and not the other way around)

    divinely condoned gang-rape as an alternative to homosexuality (First it’s Lot offering his two daughters to be gang raped, which may explain their later revenge, and later it is an unnamed Levite who offers his concubine, who not only gets raped to death [with divine approval] but gets her body carved into twelve pieces by her master, also under divine approval)

    And countless other cases of horrid acts against humanity. The scary thing is that, unlike the loli-lovers, they BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE, AND THAT AN ALL-LOVING GOD CONDONES IT.

    I don’t think it’s an exaggeration to say that the bible has justified and caused more child molestations than loli/shota art ever could, simply because of the belief factor.

    I’ve said my piece.

  • Manga and loli brings no harm to children UNICEF is being lazy by pushing for retarded laws vs actually helping real children.

    Why not go after companies like Nike which unlike manga do terrible things to real children by making them work in factories.
    BTW children who are forced to work in a factory in China or some other developing country are subject to even more rape then bible camp.
    There probably is more child abuse in a single factory that uses child labor then there is done by all so called lolicons in Japan.

    But like most moralists Ann is lazy,cowardly and greedy.
    Going after big companies would take an effort and they would fight back which means it would cost money plus there would be an element of danger counter suits,character defamation and assassination etc.

    There is some good news the US moral right now has nearly zero standing in the international community after all of the lies from GWB.
    So Ann Veneman may no longer be the #46 most powerful woman in the world anymore.

  • What’s wrong with keeping loli-doujin within my pc?

    I never look at real children anyway

    because they’re not moe just like in doujin

    It would be bad if I got arrest because I had Loli-doujin in my pc

    bah!

    • I think the UN out lived it’s usefulness when the Warsaw pack was dissolved.
      Now it just wastes money it did not prevent the War in Bosnia nor prevented a certain US president from starting a very illegal war in Iraq.
      Afghanistan was justified but there was no reason for the second Iraq war.
      It seems all they do now is make taxes in the EU really high.

  • Instead of the “Freedom Tower” replacing the WTC, we should get public support to create a building that’s horizontal that isn’t used for offices or businesses…instead it’s a horizontal train tunnel that rams a penis shaped train straight through the wall of the UN building that contains the security council to the room with the unicef and all of these fucker orgs gather in.

    The train would transport members of the American Pirate party into the UN, where they can loot and pillage for 30 minutes before returning on the car to prepare the next assault…

    “Pirate Party Penis Train penetrates UN from the rear.”

      • kajunbowser says:

        Wow, I’m surprised her moralfaegottry didn’t rub off on him. XD

        Plus, it’s easy to go after her and defeat her: flood the biznatches with the truth; cram it down their throats if you have to.

        • Easy, cry religious rights. Japan is not christian, thus western ideals hold less value. Western common laws are based of biblical ideals. Though the westerners reshaped their govn’t at the end of wwii, their system is not a replublic or parlaiment. I seem to remember them kicking out gaijin for a few hundred years because they saw right through them trying to gain power. Too bad they don’t have the balls to place embargoes on the US. It would be interesting to see them side more with china and less with US over #@$% like this.

  • They never thought that usually 2D lolis look NOTHING LIKE their 3d counterparts. Hell, 2D lolis are more often miniature adults (Jigoku Sensei Nube anyone? Kodomo no Chi… i mean, Jikan, anyone?)!

    • While i agree that 2d and 3d lolis look nothing alike and quite a few of us don’t find minors IRL sexually attractive at all.

      (As a fellow 2d loli-con) please don’t try to delude yourself that a majority of 2d loli-con are about adults; because it’s most definitely not.

      You are in fact sexually peverse; meaning that what you sexually desire isn’t quite the ‘norm'(at least to a majority of the world).

      The underlying fact is, that loli IS immoral and perverted but it ISN’T harmful to anyone; except for maybe for the guy excessively abusing his cock.

      We are as much pedophiles, as people finding enjoyment of killing others in a video games, are killers.

      People who have a problem separating fantasy from reality are the true problem.

  • “Free speech comes with responsibility and limits when it comes to harming others, particularly children. If the police overextend their power, then it’s up to the press to expose them.”

    Funny, freedom of speech and freedom of the press are fundamentally related. At once, UNICEF exec director Ann Veneman calls for the curtailment of free speech, but then dismisses the possibility of civil rights infringements on the basis of a free press. I sense a fatal contradiction here.

  • Ok, what the hell? Is this what these groups have degenerated to; attacking art? These are nothing more than comics or drawn pictures. The law states that a minor should not be depicted. A minor is a living human under the age of 18. These characters are FICTIONAL; meaning NOT REAL. Therefore, by logical standards, they have no age because they do not exist in live form. There are always going to be people who are attracted to this and you cannot stop it, it is an inevitability.

  • I suppose if they feel this way they’ll need to go after Anne Geddes next LOL:
    http://images.google.com/images?q=anne%20geddes

    They’ll probably need to change a few other Japanese laws to be able to ban what westerners view as under age material. Most people probably do not realize that the age of consent for sexual activity in Japan is 13 years old:

    http://www.interpol.int/public/Children/SexualAbuse/NationalLaws/csaJapan.asp

    I hate how western ideals are forced upon non-christian nations. There was good reason Japan closed it’s borders and kicked gaijin out for a few hundred years. Why is the UNICEF spending their time on stuff like this rather than passing out condoms and rice in Africa? Wait, they’re politicians who get money from lobbyists. These are probably the same people that tried to ban the Japanese magazine Goth Loli in the USA thinking it is underage material before realizing awhile later it’s nothing but a fashion magazine…

    • HAHA Anne Geddes!
      I personally don’t like reading doujinshi etc where the characters appear too childish, but that is my personal taste and think everyone is entitled to their own.

      Does UNICEF have any data to prove that more molestation etc occurs because of this? I doubt it, just politics influenced by lobbyists as you said. What a waste of taxes! If the material sells, let it; the world economy needs to get back on track.

  • It should be noted that the UNICEF in question is the “real” UNICEF, and part of the UN proper, whereas Agnes Chan’s UNICEF Japan is actually an independent Japanese organisation which merely uses the UNICEF name (with permission) to give itself an aura of legitimacy and encourage donations; UNICEF Japan has nothing to do with the UN.

    Would have been nice to know the first time a post about UNICEF and Agnes Chan was posted…

    • That explains a lot. The UNICEF I knew was dedicated to fight against child labor, starvation and just plain slavery. I was not a bunch of feminazi activist obsessed with censoring manga.

  • We should tell the UN to tear their building down in New York.

    Ask people living in New York city if they like the UN meetings…the people that love it are people that love ****ing gridlock.

    We foot the bill for that unholy abomination of ineffectual nuttery.

    They didn’t have the ****ing balls to enforce their own 10 minute limit to the Qaddaffi speech…he took 1 hr 47 minutes for a 10 minute speech.

    If they can’t even enforce their own rules in their own building against a guy who’s only worldwide acclaim is having oil, then what use is that organization in solving real disputes like Darfur, Kashmir, Israelistine, Egypts dictator, American Contractors, or anything of world value.

    It’s like the world’s largest monument to futility, it replaced the worlds largest scale replica of a flaccid penis.

    Can we sanction that batshit crazy country that makes roannupur look like a tropical paradise, North Korea? Yea, but we don’t have permission to board ships that enter north korean territory and enforce those sanctions!

    Iran’s nukes? Well before we sanction them we have to check the economic data to see the effect of all proposed potential sanctions for negative repercussions to the children of the country then select the proper sanction to keep…………….10 minutes later….after 3 months it goes to the Security council and is then killed by china and russia.

    Can they fix Darfur? Sudan? Iran? North Korea? It’s easier to bitch to japan for an easy victory so they can flex their muscles and get a 1 cm chubby.

    • The UN makes you realize that the penis can be seen also as nothing more than an inverted vagina.

      I haven’t lived in NYC in years, but I can recall when I first learned the meaning of the terms ‘Dead Wood’ and ‘Useless’. In Webster’s Dictionary under those words, you’ll probably see the UN featured as one of many prime examples.

      The reason why the terrorists didn’t target the UN buildings on the East River but instead went after the World Trade Center towers? The WTC was a bastion of strength, morale-wise. The UN was just another piece of East River wasted development space… hell, destroying it would IMPOVE the area. XD

  • mechwarrior says:

    UNICEF is using the same logic that anti-video game pundits use, like Jack Thompson. The basic conceit of their fallacious statement is that “Its bad and will make other people bad”.

    Grand Theft Auto didnt kill millions of people, drawn porn wont turn normal people into pedophiles. Its a simple fact, and one that prevents grandstanding by clueless bureaucrats and washed-out media whores.

  • hmm well if it really gets banned its a good thing i know how to draw and i havent drawn in a while maybe this will inspire me to.

    if anything else, these articles that are posted are stimulating me and making me want to fap to my loli collection of manga.

  • The electromagnetic waves produced by televisions which display anything created through the use of Freedom of Expression cause children to DIE! We must immediately ban free thought so that we can bring about our own destruction!

  • i see the stupid has rubbed off on them as well. did they miss the part where the only thing proven about loli manga is that nothing has been proven regarding it’s affect on the rights of children?

  • The principle of freedom of expression lies in the freedom. Which means not restricted by any means. Therefore, restriction of freedom is an antagonism. Either you won’t restrict it, or you will not call it freedom anymore.

  • Well it’ll be Halloween soon which means that it’s almost time for Trick-or-Treat for UNICEF. But I’ll tell all of you this, if any kids show up trying to get money outa me for them I’m gonna tell them: “Get the fuck off my lawn.”, and if they are older without parents I might explain why they should throw that box away.

  • Hardly the first time UNICEF demonstrated it does not believe in an individual’s right of expression. The US dumped their support of UNICEF in the 1980s because the group wanted to censor and control journalists and reporters.

    Remember, the only place in the world where an individual has a right to free speech is the US. Everywhere else, free speech is a privalege granted to the individual by the government, and subjected to whatever restraints and prohibitions the government sees fit.

  • “apparently ignoring the fact that distributing pornography involving minors online or otherwise is already quite illegal in Japan.”

    I agree. And I don’t see how tougher laws (which we haven’t a clue on how to manifest one, let alone a series of laws) would actually result in the ‘better protection’ of rights of children.

    Anti-defamation movements and consciousness-awareness campaigns are probably more needed in Japan. I think asking for anything more is tantamount to outright censorship.

    Treat it like smoking ciggies, tax the living hell out of it.

    Seriously there are feminists (since I study them) that see censorship of pornography (although loli is a questionable genre – since its close overlap with paedophilia) as an inhibitor to actually protecting rights of peoples involved, namely women.

    I don’t even know how to define loli porn. Where do we draw the lines? If anything, they should go about making a UN declaration on the rights to produce hentai/obscenity/pornography; and give a rough guideline of what pornography is – allow the nation-states to ratify at their own will… and boom, let’s go from there. Since then we have a concrete starting point. If UNICEF’s work actually does any change, it probably will result in some international law that protect the absolutely most vulnerable people – like children who might be involved ‘behind the scenes’ of loli porn. And the whole: pornography is the filth of the nation that encourages sexual violence – yeah… there are other things in a rapists life that influence their decision to go out and violate people; not just hentai. lol people these days

    • Anonymous says:

      “I don’t even know how to define loli porn. Where do we draw the lines?”

      First, you start out with a single line that defines the loli’s flow of direction, then continue with three ellipses..

  • You all do realize that you are basically trying to justify child pornography, right???

    Yes, it’s drawn child pornography, but child pornography none-the-less. It sort of makes you all look like pedophiles, you know!!!

    Regardless, I can agree on the “it does not actually harm children” part. Also, restricting the freedom of expression is about always a no-no.

    UNICEF is making themselves look like pricks, and that’s probably not good PR.

  • The United Nations is THE MOST harcore ANTI-FREEDOM organisation on the planet !! They are into eugenics as well (mass murder)!! (not everyone in the UN but their leaders and the core of the oranisation).

    Just check out Ted Turner.. he’s a hardcore eugenicist.

    Google: ted turner eugenics
    Or Google: united nations eugenics

    They want a one world government.

    Go to YouTube and search for “Agenda 21 Explained” or “Agenda 21 for Dummies” and you will understand what the United Nations is all about.

    Agenda 21 is also called “sustainable development”

    They are anti-human, anti-freedom and anti-life.

    • wow… i agree completely…

      people need to go to youtube also to watch a movie called ENDGAME… it is professionally made documentary about the UN and Eugenics… very good and informative movie.

      please people you need to know what Eugenics really is and what the ruling elite of this planet wants to do to us all… it’s not pretty…

      we are all in the same situation as people were in Nazi Germany and the USSR… where they didn’t resist at first… they were lazy… though it could not happen… and next thing they were sent to the camps…

      the difference is that we wont be sent to camps… the whole planet and society is a death camp.

      if you inform yourself now, you can resist the tyranny which will only be increasing…

      the full name of the documentary is “ENDGAME: BLUEPRINT FOR GLOBAL ENSLAVEMENT”

      also… please don’t let them inject you with vaccines.

      you have the right to refuse vaccines.

  • I don’t understand, people around the world see Japan as a superior nation, at least in matters of education, culture and safety of their citizens. No one will kill you to take your shoes, woman’s don’t get rape every day at the corner of thir own houses, there’s not a sexual slave trade organization working inside the country infront of everyone. All this things happens in most of the countries, every day I wacth the news were I live and see some case of child rape, missing girls, starving babies, every day! And where the hell is unicef?! uh? As most scandinavian countries Japan’s standarts for education, culture, economy are in the highest ranks all over the world. Japanese shouldn’t let some ignorant and unusefull organization, throw that kind of shit on them, they should be more proud of their own nation’s achievements. Japaneses earn their freedom of expression with hard work and discipline, they souldn’t let anyone tell them that they are ignorant and brutal people who don’t respect their children or their own peoples rights. No one will come to my house to talk shit on my face like that, I repeat Japaneses shouldn’t let this to happen without saying a word.

    • Hey remember when the last time Japan get all pissed off?Pearl Harbour happened!!And WWII got escalated to a whole new level with all that Kamikaze and we fear no death stuff.
      What stop them?TWO ATOM BOMBS!!!Yeah 2 NOT 1!
      And 15 years after the surrender they rise to become THE ECONOMIC GIANT that RIVALS US AND EUROPE!!
      So please Unicef, DONT FUCK WITH JAPAN!!!
      NIPPON BANZAI!!!!!!!!

  • Pah, banning it would make it illegal. Yes, but they wont stop making delicious loli, the only difference is, that it would create a whole fat bunch of new burocracy wich ppl we could use in other parts. They wont stop lolicons from being lolicons -.-

  • Freedom of Speech and Expression!

    you unicef idiots can’t have it both ways where you can say anything you damn well please, the limit what we say!

    just some words for you

    Fuck You you Hypacritical Bastards!

    Free Speach for all! not just the privilaged, we don’t live in a damn oligarchy!

  • UNICEF should finally realise whats way more important then draw pronographie and especially what it was initally created for. It was created to help children in danger, so they should focus on that and help children in the third world. Besides nobody gets harmed, aswell never should the freedom of expression be touched unless someone gets harmed directly. Also surpressing just make things more uncontrollable, best sample is the “scene”. The more they case them, the deeper underground they go and the harder to control in any way they get. What they need to change if they want to change something effective is the mind of the ppl, thats the only way that works. So all together UNICEF, U FAIL. JUST GO AND DIE!

  • Sorry if this is a double post…but none of my comments have been displaying…even after reboots

    Miroku, We NEEEED to restrict Freedom of speech and expression.

    Like if you lose 5 frivolous lawsuits on the same subject you’ll be fined and given a prison term for going to the public to gain support from the uneducated hicks that could believe his/her crap. Jack Thompson has been kicked out of so many courtrooms and he’s still legally allowed so espouse bullshit.

    Look at the people we’re up against.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

    That site is down for maintenance right now…but either this is the Dems spoof page, or there are more people that should be monitored by a mental institution
    than I thought.

    Guys, we NEED a good ol’fashion American MORALWAR!

    MoralWar on Alcahol = Italian Mafia’s Golden Age
    MoralWar on Drugs = Mexican Mafia’s Golden Age

    Other countries MoralWar

    Russia’s War on Porn = Rise of Underground Child Sex Trafficers

    Victorian Britain’s War on Indecency = Creation of a 2 tiered system where the wealthy would bemoan the moral turpitude of the teeming masses and how it’s eroding the high morals the nobility sets forth…while patroning child sex parlors in the slums.

    Ceausescu’s War on Abortion = Creation of the Hermaphrodite Vampire Twins Hansel and Gretel!

    War on Terror = 1st amendment 4th amendment cruel and unusual punishment illegal? right to speedy trial right to assemble? Tell that to the NWO thugs in Pittsburg.

    Hey Unicef and EN think that they’re real so you should too!

    China’s War on Capitalism = They own all of the world’s money >_>

    We need to use our world’s terrible track record of moral warfare for the good of american society.

    We need a War on Happiness, a War on Money, a War on Pornography, a War on Sex, and a War on owning homes.

    We wouldn’t see the result in our lifetime, but in 200 years our countries dimmest bulbs will usher in an era where the poorest American is a millionaire, owns a 3 story mansion, gets hummers non stop by cheap foreign women And when they’re tired of the sexual debauchery, they can relax with pornography so unbelievably wonderful that we could only imagine it.

  • Miroku, We NEEEED to restrict Freedom of speech and expression.

    Like if you lose 5 frivolous lawsuits on the same subject you’ll be fined and given a prison term for going to the public to gain support from the uneducated hicks that could believe his/her crap. Jack Thompson has been kicked out of so many courtrooms and he’s still legally allowed so espouse bullshit.

    Look at the people we’re up against.
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Main_Page
    http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

    That site is down for maintenance right now…but either this is the Dems spoof page, or there are more people that should be monitored by a mental institution
    than I thought.

    Guys, we NEED a good ol’fashion American MORALWAR!

    MoralWar on Alcahol = Italian Mafia’s Golden Age
    MoralWar on Drugs = Mexican Mafia’s Golden Age

    Other countries MoralWar

    Russia’s War on Porn = Rise of Underground Child Sex Trafficers

    Victorian Britain’s War on Indecency = Creation of a 2 tiered system where the wealthy would bemoan the moral turpitude of the teeming masses and how it’s eroding the high morals the nobility sets forth…while patroning child sex parlors in the slums.

    Ceausescu’s War on Abortion = Creation of the Hermaphrodite Vampire Twins Hansel and Gretel!

    War on Terror = 1st amendment 4th amendment cruel and unusual punishment illegal? right to speedy trial right to assemble? Tell that to the NWO thugs in Pittsburg.

    Hey Unicef and EN think that they’re real so you should too!

    China’s War on Capitalism = They own all of the world’s money >_>

    We need to use our world’s terrible track record of moral warfare for the good of american society.

    We need a War on Happiness, a War on Money, a War on Pornography, a War on Sex, and a War on owning homes.

    We wouldn’t see the result in our lifetime, but in 200 years our countries dimmest bulbs will usher in an era where the poorest American is a millionaire, owns a 3 story mansion, gets hummers non stop by cheap foreign women And when they’re tired of the sexual debauchery, they can relax with pornography so unbelievably wonderful that we could only imagine it.

  • By the logic that UNICEF (or was it UNICEF Japan?) has expressed, anything which depicts children acting the way they actually do (e.g. bullying each other violently) is committing violence upon a child and is illegal.

    Of course, one does not expect UNICEF to go around taking all the Soap Operas and Cartoons featuring child characters interacting realistically off the air since they’re just a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

  • “If it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted.”

    Freedom of Expression was one of the founding principles the US Constitution was based on. And I’ll be double-dipped in sheep shit if I’ll let this fucking stand!

    My forefathers (and mothers… they supported us also where they were) put their lives on the line to defend those Inalienable Rights, and to have some fellow from my own part of the World espouse restricting or banning Freedom of Expression? No…. just no. FUCK you!

    It’s time to kick the UN’s ass out of our country. They’re basically living here rent-free, they have diplomatic immunity, which basically means one of their ambassadors can get away with murder literally…. maybe they’ll be deported back to their Country of Origin and face criminal charges, but these motherfuckers also have connections back home making THAT scenario uncertain…..

    The UN has been as useless as tits on a BULL for decades now. It really doesn’t fulfill much of it’s original functions as it was created to. And now they attack the democratic principles which their host country fights to protect? At the end of the day, and one of those motherfuckers…. and I also include both genders in this…. can be replaced, just like any of us can be replaced where WE work.

    Your children are NOT our focus of sexual frustration…. your children are NOT cute necessarily…. other children around the world in worse situations get flushed into the gutters and die, yours are no exception. You may not approve of it, but many of you probably get an abortion when it’s convenient, even as you plot death threats against the doctors who actually CARE about whether or not you survive the pregnancy. Hypocritical, mealy-mouthed, plotically-correct moralfag ASSHOLES! hellish retribution lies ahead for you and your ilk. Not by my hands, but by all the hands of those who decry your actions and words as fals.

    Bear witness to it and despair.

    *******************

    Someone… please help. Send me a comfort loli. -_-

    Send comfort lolis to all of us who need them. It’s dark times ahead.

  • America NEEDS to declare war on loli!

    War on Alcahol = Al Capone and other mafioso gaining a stranglehold on the country with black market distilleries. Italian Mafia Golden Age.

    War on Drugs = 70-80 of America using pot, even the people who legislate against it. Mexican Mafia Golden Age.

    Russia’s War on Porn = Rise of underground child sellers and snuff films.

    Victorian Britian’s War on Porn = A 2 tiered society where the rich would preach the evils of sex, then buy child **** toys down in the slums.

    Ceausescu’s war on Abortion = Hansel and Gretel become the Psychotic Vampire Twins in Black Lagoon…does this count? Unicef and Equality Now think that they’re real >_> <_<

    We need the moralizers to do declare war on, Happiness, Money, Freedom, Porn, Sex.

    If they do then in 100 years the poorest american would be a millionaire living in a small mansion getting hummers from easy women and when they're too tired to be with one, they'd take a break with the hardest of hardcore porn.

    We can only hope that they use our countries utter failure in moral warfare for the countries advantage.

  • I am not into loli but i still do not wish that it gets banned.

    I hope everyone involved with UNICEF that has the intention to support it dies of a fucking blazing fire burning through their rectums.

  • If they have problems becouse of the 2d loli and that it’s so easily available to everyone in the world and soo freely shared.

    Then probably it isn’t so wrong as they think,by most peoples who at least have an idea that fiction isn’t bad.
    Now the problem probably lies that in their country they illegalized drawn 2d lolicon and can make people go to prison for that which is stupid anyway.

    The only way to really get rid of their problem is to legalize 2d lolicon across the whole world.

  • “If it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted.”

    I agree with this statement. Only problem is, it doesn’t work in this argument, as lolicon art doesn’t harm children. Funny, I have more respect for the lolies in h-manga than I do for these “human rights activists”.

    I feel soiled for having collected donations for these people as a child trick or treating. Nice trick indeed, UNICEF. Giving me candy then so you can take away my cake now.

    • You are so wrong…
      Freedom of expression should not be restricted even if it poses harm to someone. Maybe the only exception being if it causes direct and serious physical harm (shouting FIRE in theatre).
      Even, if direct casual relation between lolicon and child abuse would be presented, still there is zero justification of banning lolicon.
      The current campaign is like Soviet Union banning all things “anti-soviet” – because they could cause social unrest and thus harm to state/people/society. If baning something because of secondary effects is justified – so was Soviet Union in banning books and films.

  • -__- and just who the hell does UNICEF think they are that they can declare that a country needs to restrict freedom of speech?
    This is the 21st century, not the medieval ages where you’d get killed for bad mouthing some king or emperor.
    -__- if they’re going to pull some bullshit out fo their ass, at least make a convincing argument.

  • why does america always have to butt in to everything… please just govern your own corrupted country and do your secretary job or w/e you do

    and why did they appoint ann veneman an american to be unicef head anyways

    america has a say in everything dont they

  • Strawberry Suicide says:

    “I believe that we must first make the crucial difference between, 2d loli and 3d loli,a love of 2d loli does not necessarily imply a love a 3d loli, for both do not have the same characteristics.”

    Anon, you wrote the words right out of my mouth^^

    2D loli is/was and will be the sexualizing of CUTENESS!!
    Childish features – like proportions and body measurements – are tend to make the impression of cuteness —> and cuteness knowingly attracts most of the ppl…
    Which means 2D lolicons aren’t ( 90% at least ) interested in 2 dimensional children, but their CUTENESS ( lately rather MOENESS XD ) being shown in
    sexually explicit content…

    So it has NOTHING to do with desire for sex with children…

    Too bad UNICEF – anykind – will never understand this logic, since they are too busy with banning 2D lolicon material, whilst everyday an actual child-molester gets out of jail after 5 years and moves next to a kindergarten…> >

  • Wait what? Isn’t freedom of expression the idea that we can express ourselves however we like, and just because somebody else doesn’t personally like it doesn’t mean we have to worry about it being banned?

    We should all be able to look at whatever porn or manga we like, regardless if other people find it weird.

    Also, why do all these groups think that fiction characters have real world rights?

  • Well then, it does kind of beg the question- Does it harm children?

    If so, it should be a snap to produce some accredited research showing that causality. As in, a study that wasn’t funded by UNICEF.

    Because otherwise, it’s just rhetoric- like telling us handguns cause crime, or comic books erode morals, or healthcare kills grandma.

  • Ahahahaha no.

    I’ve always grown up with the idea that “freedom of expression” means that everybody has the right to share anything they like, even if other people don’t like it. I should be able to download and fap to whatever I like, and not worry about what other people think or feel about it.

    • Freedom of expression means you can say what you want, share what you want, dress how you like, for as long as you do not infringe on the freedom of other people to express themselves.

      If anything, UNICEF is violating freedom of expression on that premise alone.

  • I believe that we must first make the crucial difference between, 2d loli and 3d loli,a love of 2d loli does not necessarily imply a love a 3d loli, for both do not have the same characteristics.
    Secondly what is loli, if they are prohibiting the distribution of 2d loli pics that are students and atleast over 14 years of is clearly a actitude that only mothers and christians believe in, these 2 groups seem to live in this fantasy world were 14 year olds do not feel any sexual desires.

      • So children likes 2D loli? I thought that just for ronery people… 🙂

        Anyway, I don’t think the intention is just to get rid this kind of stuff from the hand of kids but also by restricting this kind of material can reduce the demand of 3D loli thus make 3D loli safer… which I believe can also backfired.

        I don’t believe they can get any statistic on that… they are mostly presenting their case based on assumption.

        • Well yeah, it would likely backfire. All side have a down side that’s for sure. And they can’t really ban 2d loli like they can ban 3d porn, seeing how it is not real. I believe im going to quote some teacher or so said during a lesson @ school. “People are free to like whatever they want, aslong as they don’t act on it” well, something along those lines. Its not like they are trying to ban things related to necrophilia or similar fetishes, that are ‘legal’ to like but illegal to act.

          Meh, unicef and the feminists are just to into japan these days. USA =/= Japan, and they need to realize this fact.

  • Why am I not surprised to read this? They have been making too many illogical defense.

    I wonder if there is any loli anime fans considering to join UNICEF or EN. If we can’t penetrate logic from outside, let’s do it from inside.

    • Well let’s look at is this way: their statement “if it causes harm to children, freedom of expression should be restricted” is completely true and accurate. The only argument you can make about THAT EXACT STATEMENT (emphasis so you don’t misquote me) is that it doesn’t matter if children are harmed, and anyone who makes that argument should be dragged out and shot. The issue we’re all leaning on is the “if”, because it’s a fucking big “if”. Since it’s REALLY hard to conduct properly scientific studies on whether 2D loli increases instances of 3D loli abuse, they’re just erring on the side of caution. A pain in the ass for us, but to be honest they DO have a point.

      • there’s one thing that I have a problem with that. Freedom of Expression is covered in words and drawings and not action. all those who take action are responcable for their own action. Freedom of expression is not freendom of action. And what about those who take action without words or images of encouragment?

        I lost what I was trying to say

      • no, they really don’t.
        legislation based on IFs is sketchy and tends to cause far more problems than it fixes. its a blanket cover to a problem they don’t want to analyze closer.

        -decisions based on IFs and possibilities of harm caused America to shove all Japanese ppl into camps because they might be traitors and we were “erring on the side of caution”.
        -there’s a higher probability of getting food poisoning from various meats and vegetables than swine flu, by that logic to protect the children we should be “erring on the side of caution”
        -meat is PROVEN to help cause heart disease and other health problems, “erring on the side of caution” we should simply enforce everyone to be vegans.
        -hell, obesity is a huge PROVEN reason for health problems in general, so “erring on the side of caution” we should create government mandated regulation on how much food is distributed to ppl and how much they can eat.
        -we KNOW you can get swine flu from other people with swine flu, “erring on the side of caution” should we eliminate them?

        extreme examples of “erring on the side of caution”? yes, but you should note all of them have FAR MORE grounding in some ACTUAL PROVEN LINK OR CORRELATION than eroge/loli manga/etc causing increased rates of violence against children. so if “erring on the side of caution” is such a god point, we should be starting with all those because those are all points of caution we have far more evidence backing.
        am I promoting those ideas? no, but my point is that’s how weak “erring on the side of caution” is as an argument for action. its a cheap appeal to the paranoia of the plebian. its an attempt to make a weak claim seem strong by blanketing it in a seemingly absolutely justifiable logic. its an illusion of reasoning when in reality its the absolute abandonment of any attempt at deeper reasoning.

        • correcting shoddy editing =

          -there’s a higher probability of getting food poisoning from various meats and vegetables than getting swine flu, by that logic to protect the children we should be “erring on the side of caution” and wholesale eradicating various foods from the Earth. Like the Egyptians did to all their pigs.

      • Think of it this way, when the first scream came out some kids went and killed their mother mimicking the move. Yet there were 3 sequels. Even if there is an effect, the number of people who are not effected greatly out way the number of people who mimic and commit crimes. Scientifically we do not look to the media if something goes wrong with 10 out of 10,000,000 we look to those 10. This is true for science and politics.

        • banning things is all fine and dandy sure. I got a question for the UNICEF people though, what about all those children dying of starvation and disease in 3rd world countries? not to mention the thing that they’re so worried about happening is already happening in those countries so… where do they go?

        • Who says so, failtroll?

          Saying that ero manga MAYBE harmful to childs is just the same that If my grandma had wheels instead of feet, she would be a bicycle.

          Try a better one. Nobody supports feminazis here.

        • To clarify things for you i’ll break it down.

          “If wishes were wings, pigs would fly.”

          “If the glove don’t fit, you must acquit.” or “If you pass GO, collect $200.”

          See the difference? Good.

        • It’s not a red herring. By your argument, you say that if porn were to produce real harm, then there would be merit in restricting it – which was exactly my point, counter to the posters above me. The question then becomes, does it do harm? Which is much harder to prove or disprove because everybody on this board is a blowhard with no facts, just “well, it doesn’t affect ME!”

          By the way, academic studies have shown that extreme porn desensitizes people… it takes more and more to get aroused if you’ve been using crazy porn. Porn does produce a “feedback effect” – I wouldn’t cross the line and say it manufactures pedophiles, but that’s not as huge a stretch as posters make it sound – hence debatable.

        • The “FIRE!” example and others are red herrings. They result in REAL harm. 2D is 2D, not real. And claims that “it encourages the real thing” are as stupid as saying you can’t have an actor yell “FIRE” in the movie that’s showing in the theater because it might encourage someone in the audience to stand up and do the same thing in real life.
          The day they ban the depiction of ALL criminal acts from display (“encouragement”) in movies and books is the day I’ll accept the 2D loli ban. Until then, they’re a bunch of hypocrites.

        • There’s plenty of American precedent for legitimate restriction of free speech. True free speech is stupid.

          original example: you can’t yell “Fire!” in a crowded movie theater.
          you can be arrested for making a public disturbance. you can be taken to civil court for harassment, slander, etc.

          America is a better country because of these principles.

          Porn laws aren’t exactly the same, but it is the same general idea of sacrificing expression for (debatable) community good. I’m not saying the censors are right in this case, but anybody who says there is no reason to censor free speech is crazy.

  • “simple possession” were widely castigated as being unnecessary and likely to be abused; in the end the bill was defeated.

    Well japanese are smart,they won’t allow aresting innocent people like america does.
    Since all the histeria in the US causes lots of problems even for the parents with their innocent pics.

    Other ones that are troublesome should be taken care of by the police when it comes to actual abuse in vids or pics.

    But banning 2d is just pointless anyway.

  • Saying that this is ‘real UNICEF’, I say it is still retarded to ‘restrict freedom of expression’. I still call arms for the ban of all media if they think ‘freedom of expression violates human rights.’

    Let’s just bow down to our soon-to-be feminazi overladies.