Loli Ban Opponents “Mentally Ill”

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The supporters of a ban on loli manga are attempting to brand opponents as mentally ill, whilst denying that any evidence is required for their proposed bans and suggesting it is ridiculous that fictional children do not enjoy the same rights as real ones.

One author, Nanako Ooba, a “birth coordinator,” writes thus:

“Whenever anyone tries to ban this material, the mangaka and their supporters send them huge amounts of protest mail; however you look at it, this is violence. Against such violence there is no need to discuss the basis of the law.”

“Isn’t it necessary to spread the idea that the people supporting the readers of these sexual abuse manga are causing denial?”

“Please refer to the following: ‘On the Denial of Schizophrenia’.”

“They are suffering from denial, they keep arguing that you can’t ban something with no evidence against it. We have to think of a counter to this.”

It seems unlikely she would be prepared to consider the letter-spamming campaigns of Equality Now as “violence.”

A convention of Parent-Teacher Associations publically foams at the mouth when the subject of loli manga is mentioned:

“As a society, as parents, we can’t forgive this. Indeed, it is madness that these disgusting forms of extreme sexual expression are allowed at all.

Why are these things even allowed to be published? We have to change Japan’s culture and values, and tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.”

“This isn’t a matter of just not letting minors read them, or of there being no victims in a manga. There are lots of adults who commit crimes based on these. Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime. If they can’t be relied on to regulate themselves, there must be a ban.”

“For the sake of the publishing industry, we should be gradually imposing more and more penalties on them to weed out the bad ones.”

It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

“In other countries they have bans. Only in Japan can we not get a ban. A ban is so obviously right that there is no need at all to provide an explanation or data to the mangaka groups.”

Ban supporters talk with delight of a formidable weapon in their arsenal, the washed up former idol and Sokka Gakkai cultist Agnes Chan:

“There was a Diet member who objected to the ban because it would ban some famous nude artwork. Agnes Chan did him right! ‘Do you really want to see pictures of 15-year-old girls that much? What’s artistic about that? Why can’t you wait until they’re 18?’ she said. He was lost for words.”

A prominent legal scholar argues fictional beings deserve the same rights as actual ones:

It is simply bizarre that any kind of manga can be published simply because no actual people appear in it.

On the subject of a ban, I heard that a Diet member received a huge amount of threatening mail just for proposing it. For that reason, something must be done about this.”

Yet he freely admits there is no evidence whatsoever that such material increases crime:

“But there is no evidence that child porn manga increases child rape. Of course, there is no evidence that the manga exerts a cathartic effect and reduces crime either.

… but I think it is wrong to think that just because there is no data supporting a link that manga does not influence sex crime. It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

Opponents of such measures would do well to note the pointlessness of attempting to reason with either the proponents of a ban or the general public.

Just as they suggest, tactics of demonising, smearing and discrediting opponents, and making appeals to the paranoid emotions of the general public, whether relating to their children or their human rights, are more likely to be effective, to say nothing of the effectiveness of direct pressure.

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  • Anonymous says:

    Dumb parent logics: ‘let’s blaim others for ruining our kids’.

    Shut-in Otaku reply: ‘Bitch, please… manage your kids better.

    Shitty hell, fuck off with trying to control others when you refuse to control yourself.

    Keep your affairs to yourselves and leave our poor Japan and its contents alone.

    XDXDXD

  • As the ban-obsessed idiots here have shown, there is no better way to show your mental illness than to project it on others while showing the symptoms of it yourself. After all, many mentally ill people have claimed to be sane!

    As long as the lolicons have a basic sense of ethics to not prey on real children, even the most insane of them are definitely more preferable than any fundie you can find. It is, with full conviction, absolutely COMPREHENSIBLE that they are allowed to do this to fictional characters just because they don’t exist, because fictional characters feel no pain and any act upon them in itself does not lead to further harmful consequences (it’s your choice if you will rape or not in real life after all), and we are actually doing the world a favour by having an alternative to preying on real children in real life.

    Damn. These bakas are so fucking insane if I make contact with one I’d rather think of them as trolls so that my sanity is left intact.

  • More rubbish again.
    Btw, I hate loli and pedophiles and people who regularly have a look at pornography.
    However, banning all this is wrong.
    It’s not real.
    You want to ban things that do not exist? PREPOSTEROUS.
    There is no proof that all this media increases crime and there is no proof that it reduces crime either.
    Personally, I think it reduces crime.
    You get to see and feel what these imaginary victims feel. You feel sorry for them. You then want to make sure that not similar acts are committed again. Isn’t that a good thing?Without such material, kids wouldn’t even know what is good or bad(You want to hide this from kids s o of course you wouldn’t tell them about it would you?) and they’d make mistakes they never would have is such media was available.
    Teens would end up having kids without knowing how it happened for crying out loud!

    People tend to look at the bad points of things only and that’s their mistake.

    And btw, Japan will never ban it. It’s part of the economy. Just like America is not allowing countries privacy and spying from satellites. Just like the America-Iraq stuff. Just like the helpless brainwashed terrorists in Pakistan.
    Worry about real problems you losers!
    YES, YOU PEOPLE ARE LOSERS FOR WANTING TO BAN THIS!

  • Funny…. they said the same thing about homosexuals and the people who supported getting rid of the ban on homosexuality, they said the same thing about black men who had sex with white women…. need I keep going on?

    Mentally ill in today’s society has been perverted from ‘person who is causing harm to someone else without their permission or who fits into VERY few classifications in the DSM’ to people who refuse to adhere to the ‘conventional’ (which is actually not so conventional) morality of the ‘majority’ (who really aren’t a majority).

  • In this age and time many children dies and suffer from many thing. They die from disease, from hunger, at war and becomes an easy target for abuse both physical and mental and of course sexually.

    No children deserve this but I guess in reality it’s impossible to look at every direction and even easier to just ignore. So where does our righteous heroes are? Ah! they are fighting a notorious organization called “otaku culture” and they are working VERY hard to stop fictional rape and fictional abuse.

    I guess it’s there way of calling us looser when they say we are mentally ill. Pervert yes, mentally ill I doubt it and what with this “denial” thing. If they say that I’m on denial then I say they are in delusion
    Delusion that they are protecting something
    Delusion that hentai is the cause of all the sex problem
    And finally in denial that they are not wasting time and money

    They should realize that what they have here is a wonderful, obsessive and costly culture. Where ones devotion, fetish and work can be truly appreciated (more than one way)
    LONG LIVE 2D

  • “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

    Nonsense? So he’s basically saying that america can put a ban on smoking? After all, smoking hurts health right? Just like lolicon is supposed to produce rapists(ILL GET BACK ON THIS). So why not ban it? Whats the problem? You to busy smoking yourself? Yet when so many people are against it, just like against lolicon?

    Pathetic to the extreme folks.

    Now let’s make this plain and simple. Lolicon does not, in any way produce Child rapers or anything of that kind. To be honest i believe it helps RELIEF society from child rapers. After all, now they have a legal exhaust port which resembles what their mind demands ALOT.
    Take that away and you wouldn’t be anything better than what you claim loli lovers to be.

    I have yet to find a Loli hater who’m i cannot own in a discussion. Good day, tada.

  • well after reading all this, the 2 problems are this 1. they want to ban loli, and
    2. ban anything with abuse to women.
    and i totally don’t agree with this,
    “Why are these things even allowed to be published? We have to change Japan’s culture and values, and tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.”

    now i’m all for free speech and free expression, and without those i think human civilization/society wouldn’t advance. now you’re probaly wondering what kind of advancement you could get from manga based on the subjects in question. 😛 well i got no answer for that, but i guess something.

    The reasons they have for wanting to ban loli are quite valid, you can’t come up with a good argument to that. But if they say it would encourage people to do these acts, why dont they ban video games where you shoot police or something like that. In a context like that police could say those games would encourage people to do such an act and harm a police officer in real life. But they dont ban it, they rate it mature. And if it just so happens that someone did that, they would be heavily dealt with with the law, and serve as a deterant to others.
    So if the laws are enforced or beefed up perpatrators of such, it would deter them and others. and just a thought, if giving all the characters an over 18 age, then they wont be loli, and i think they still can be drawn loli, because people come in all shapes. or if i make up a character and say the character is from planet x and is from an alien race z and is 23 (25 in human years) years old, and i as an artist can draw this character anyway i want, wouldn’t that be not breaking any rules? what do you think?

    Now the other “Abuse against women”, now this one is tricky i can’t think of any good arguments to this one. but there are countries that treat women as such,(i’m not saying names, you know who), why don’t they go after them?, its real people there not fiction.
    or another thought, if at the begining of the manga they say “don’t try these scenes in real life, this is fiction” and at the ending they say “no one was harmed in any way in this story, this is all fiction”
    😛 kinda lame, what do you think?

    and for the “Why are these things even allowed to be published? We have to change Japan’s culture and values, and tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.”
    How would this person like someone telling him/her that “today and from now on you cannot communicate to anyone by sight or sound”
    What would that person do then, won’t the person retalliate

    and this lame thing about drawn characters has rights just as real people, i think thats a weak argument, because
    1. its not real, 2. its not real and 3. its not real

    I hope the new Japanese prime minister just brushes them off, or at least maybe come up with some sort of regulations, no banning.

    cause if its banned then that would be controlling of ones thoughts.

    Oh and also these games and printed material bring escape, (and i believe the dalai lama also spoke of this) and relaxation, to people. Stress relief.

    i say the solution to this is to enforce stricter punishments for perpetrators of such crimes.

    NO BAN!

    • agreed. they always complain when it comes to sex/porn and not any other type of violent crime. Personally, i’d much rather have chikan in the world than a hick that wants to do real life grand theft auto…I think i’ll play some video games where I’m a terrorist now…oh and listen to rock at the same time since the pope sees it as evil. Muahahaa…

  • By the this logic “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.” we should start arresting horror movie writers and producers, they shouldn’t be allowed to write about people being murdered just because they arn’t real.

  • They call us mentally ill, yet they’re the ones whose actions imply that they cannot tell fact and fiction, nor have a sense of childhood wonder and imagination.

    Now just who are the mentally ill ones?

  • Okay, new game. Every time you see one of these posts about these asshats trying to ban Loli go fap to some Loli. Let the Earth tremble with the combined shaking of millions of fists. 😀

  • Wow, this post should be required reading in every government and school in the world. And lying right under it should be a copy of Mein Kampf.

    This really would be hilarious if it weren’t so truly dangerous. It is certainly the authors of those statements that are mentally ill, not the rest of us.

  • “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”
    ahh yes! just the educated reasoning i’ve come to expect from such groups. their statements resemble ramblings of rebellious teenagers, trying to tell off mom and dad, for not letting them to go to their favourite bands concert. the sooner they realise they are a joke, the sooner we can all get on with our lives

  • The words Agnes Chan is trying to use but didn’t make the ends meet in her example of trying to explain just what it is are:

    Conditioning
    Indoctrination

    which leads to
    Delinquency of Minors through the constant onslaught of the x-rated manga media. Which means, before the kids are even 15 years old they are already committed to the behavior that it is ok to reap males and females who are underage. Usually starting with their own siblings.

  • If fictional sex on a manga is wrong, those who draw manga were people dies or comits murder should go to jail? WHERE IS THE F***** COMMON SENSE? U CANT HURT SOMETHING NOT REAL. U NEED PROVES TO FORCE A BAN. They compare the lack of bans in japan with the bans in other countrys where the rape rate and other stuff are way bigger, are they retard or something? they sound like a bunch of kids whinning over something and they wont shut up until they get it, even if its just to shut them up.

  • anime loli porn is wrong. not to say i don’t like it, but by general moral standards, loli can only be seen as something filthy.

    that said, i don’t believe in morals even if i follow them, so im cool with it

  • “There was a Diet member who objected to the ban because it would ban some famous nude artwork. Agnes Chan did him right! ‘Do you really want to see pictures of 15-year-old girls that much? What’s artistic about that? Why can’t you wait until they’re 18?’ she said. He was lost for words.”

    I wish i would be there.I would tell her a few words.

    Art does not have an age limit,so anybody can be artistic when they can.Waiting 3 years could be like a loss of an artistic moment that could never be captured again.
    Im not saying i want to see a 15y old girl.Im saying i want to see some good art.

    When it comes to fiction and drawings it does not have an age and characters don’t age actualy in fiction since they are all part of ones imaganation.

  • Actually….we should support them…

    “That’s so nice of you to stand up for your kid. You know what..you should definitely accuse them as delusional, and mentally ill. Here why don’t you go make a phone call? I will help hold your monkey wearing the diaper, oh my bad is that your kid?. In which case, there are currently a pack of banshee screaming over there..I think one of them have a strangely resembles your face..come on get to it.”

  • Barbarian of Gor says:

    The late Carl Sagan pointed out in his “Baloney Detection Kit” a series of ways to tell if someone selling or proposing something was more trying to push their agenda or will than the “Rightness” or “Truth” of what they were selling/proposing. Though of course more designed to work against “Pseudoscience” it works for a lot of other things.

    A strong point-
    Ad hominem – attacking the arguer and not the argument.

    That is an attack on establishments, ideas, speakers. For instance: Try our dung beetle extracts for the American Medical Establishment has been profiting off sick people for decades!

    Of course, Moralist crusaders drip in this stuff. Anything involving “Think of the Children” is pure “Witch Hunt”. “He doesn’t agree with our Witch Hunt!? Witch! Witch! Witch!!!”

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA…… hehe.

    • Then they’ll come to your house, kill you and your family in pre crime self defense.

      They’ll kill your family because they won’t know who the real poster was…they murdered you and everyone in your house to prevent future crime.

      Minority report FTL!

  • Just like the drug war has been raging on and on in one form or another depending on the opinions of those in power, idea-crime is well on its way already to becoming another pointless, bloody war maintained by human intolerance.

  • so … let’s see ….

    here we have visual representations of little children being raped, or otherwise stimulated to sexual intercourse.
    those people state such depictions should be prohibited.

    what about this?
    I write a book … yes, a book, describing the act of rape or sexual intercourse of/with a child.
    if we believe those nutsacks, this book oughta be prohibited as well … there is no difference to a picture or just a written description. in both cases a fictional character gets molested and offended.

    what do we have then??

    DAS DRITTE REICH!

    I have never heard anything as stupid as “why don’t fictional characters have any rights?”
    what? I have to go into prison, because one of my stories has a murder in it?!?!?!

    whoever is dumb enough to enforce laws on FICTIONAL characters, and this is my honest to god opinion, needs to die … DIE … RIGHT NOW!
    (although I would never murder anybody … I mean … I am mentally stable …. as a fact, I am so very much mentally stable that I am capable of distinguishing reality from fiction)

  • So what? 12-14 year old bithces being bloody raeped in the ass give me a turn on. Just lemme enjoy it. Then again, blowing peoples brains out with a magnum is also hugely enjoyable in video games, so why not ban them too?

  • *sigh* So to sum up what the femnazi’s, and sheep of the public are doing. They claim loli manga/anime/games are evil, and cause crimes (which the they don’t actually have any evidence of).

    Then, supposed “experts” step forward to claim there’s no need for evidence to BAN something? Wow. So, I guess it won’t be long til -anything- people don’t like (regardless of whether it does harm or not), will be banned? They should really stop while they’re ahead. They don’t know it yet, but they’re opening a floodgate of backlash that may see the eradication of anything everyone doesn’t share a positive opinion on.

    • That’s because a fictional person isnt REAL, they’re just scratching at a metal door. They have no argument, they have no statistics (until they decide to B.S. some up), and they’re desperate to see loli stuff gone because it won’t go away JUST because they want it to.

  • What about all the suggestions/depictions of child rape in (fictional) novels? (such as the koran lol, GL trying to ban that)
    These arguments they put up are starting to look more and more like deranged religious’ quotes.

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    I lol’d so much at this.

    If we go by their thinking, then it is wrong to imagine someone being subjected to your sexual desires in your mind just because the means, the “instruments” and, let alone, the event itself do not exist? Wow, even imagining things that you might never do in your life is wrong?

    Now isn’t that being too restrictive?

  • “Comics and art has been part of mankind since the beginning because we have something called imagination. Take that away and you’ll be eliminating a large portion of what defines a childhood.”

    I cannot believe my father is the one who pointed it out to me.

  • If fictional characters have the same human rights as real people, then they also get the human right “equality before the law”. So, why not start lawsuits against fictional characters for crimes and murders on other fictional characters in manga’s?

    just to show how ridiculous the idea is.

    Or to make a western comparison, Sue Voldemort for attempted murder on harry potter 🙂

    • Be careful there, in reality, you don’t need correct evidence to get a ban.

      In a lot of European countries smoking in public places got banned because “second hand smoke kills people”. Anyone who does some research finds quite fast that there are only 2 studies about that, one has been disproved in high court for being false with bad intent, the other concludes that the effect of second hand smoke is almost immeasurably small. Still, the damage was done.

      If you get enough popular hysteria/support, you can get it banned, evidence or fake evidence.

  • Oh my ****ing God.

    Change Japanese culture?

    To what? A bunch of redneck cornholes who will say JESUS LUBS YOU! While trying to sprinkle non christians with holy water and performing exorcisms to convert them then shooting them in the face if they refuse the “Lerv uv Jaaaaysus.”

    Maybe the world would be better if every shinto shrine, mosque, and wherever the **** hindus pray into a christian megachurch?

    I WANT 2d chars to be considered real people. Then I can collect government child support funds to feed and clothe every child in my manga collection. I have 2000 children named naruto, so I can collect 600,000 of government money just from them.

    I hate bible thumper whackjobs because they’ll talk about how they’re loving and compassionate but out of the other corner of their mouth JOKE about how “non believers” should be “wiped out.” Kill muslims! HARAHARHAR! Kill Atheists HARAHRAHR! Kill atheists! WITH FIRE!

    Kill Jews! ….Not cool man…if you want to talk like that turn the music on so noone else can hear you…we don’t want anyone else to know that we’re ideological descendants of nazis!

    There are regular christians who don’t evangelicise and try to force their morals onto others…they’re decent. But evangelical christianity makes it acceptable to pester people into accepting your views, and if they refuse the christian extremists then they become legitimate targets of violence because they’re “unholy”

    Monotheism (mainly christian variations) makes it Ok to convert people by the sword. The wahabbiist muslims coopted the spanish inquisition -_-

    If they want to ban immorality and violence then they should ban the bible.

    Lot fled his city abandoning everyone in it to a horrible death, then holed up in a cave making children with his daughters.

    Joseph fucking Fritzel didn’t commit a crime in his incest bunker, he was following Gods word!

    Rape murder, all there. Not just there it’s divine justice.

    Murdering children? Only if they disagree with you, then you can lob rocks at them until they apologize.

    Slavery, it’s cool with jesus!

    Will they ban the bible which is a book with the same level of violence and legitimacy to be called “literature” as a guro manga? Of course not.

    Will they try to change the saudis culture? Of course not, only a few anti loli ban people would be heroic enough to decapitate these demagogues.

    This world sucks because there’s too many holier than thou christians and not enough lions.

    • In Lot’s defense, it’s been pointed out that he was drunk (by the hands of his own daughters no less) when they did the deed. And his daughters thought the world HAD come to an end and they were the last people alive.

      Does it make what was described in the Bible right? Not at all.

      BTW, nice points about the different monotheistic groups. 😉 I don’t agree with all of ’em, but still, pretty impressive list.

      • Thanks.

        If every religion read their texts, then they wouldn’t do half of the things that the texts ok’ed if they were modern day people.

        Back in the day, slavery was a necessary evil.

        Before slavery, people in conquered tribes were either killed and left to rot, killed and buried, or killed as a source of food

        So to a bronze age man, slavery is preferable to being turned into a happy meal. It only become something frowned upon in modern times

        In an era where keeping conquered people alive was a drain on food and resources, it was either put them to work for the good of society and eventually free them, or make a mass grave.

        Letting people work to become a freeman was seen as merciful. While senseless murder was debase and cruel.

        But if you go to court saying “I want a legal write to classify my neighbors as indentured servants/slaves,” you’ll be laughed out of court.

        The commandments in the new testament, jewish law, maybe even islamic law and japanese shinto rituals all came from things that they saw caused conflict in society.

        The best way to remove conflict in society? Say god will punish you if you don’t is enough to scare feeble minded people. If someone isn’t scared, you band the feeble minded together to perform inhuman and ghasty tortures on him to keep the unbelievers in line.

        Lazyness was a sin, because if you were lazy back then, your family would starve and your tribe would become weak, lose power, and be conquered. So beating lazy people with sticks would be acceptable to prevent the tribe from suffering.

        The problem is that it went from a “you should do this to live a healthier life/have a more peaceful society.” to “YOU WILL DO THIS TO THE LETTER OF THE WORD OOORRRR EEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSEEEE!”

        Modern societies that have strong religious prescence try to convince you that you should follow that word. They might shun you if you don’t or make your life annoying. But they won’t stone children or set people on fire.

        Societies that are tribal have a more fundamentalist mindset and since they have a lower life expectancy and more ways of dying of unnattural causes follow their holy book to the letter no matter how cruel or inhuman it might seem, just so they can keep themselves from going to hell for not following the letter of the law.

        They created the figure of a benevolent King that could govern humanity through his wise and just law. Whoever was king at the time was just a vassal of the greater king, so whatever he did was just according to gods law. He would tell people to accept his brutality because he had the right of Kings and was Gods servant on Earth. If he became too tyrannic and was overthrown it’d be gods justice and the new king would uphold gods law.

        In modern times lawyers have a term called “Spirit of the law.”

        Shooting a man that pulled a gun on you is self defense. Shooting the same man in the back as he runs from you isn’t. Putting a gun in a mans hands then capping him when he points it at you would keep you from being shot but wouldn’t be within the spirit of the law.

        Arresting a man who takes pictures of underage girls and distributes them is the law. Arresting a girl and putting her in prison for 10 years as a sex offender is following the letter of the law not the spirit in which the law was written.

        Modern law is open to changes because it acknowledges that man made the law and can revise the law. The law’s “set in clay” and can be remolded when it becomes necessary. Religious law is carved in stone and eternally unchanging no matter how outdated it becomes.

        Religous law and a free society will never perfectly mix. Allowing the proponents of religous law change a law to make a country more moral may improve things. But they’ll make more morality laws. Until 200 years later the people living in that former free society and dragged off to prison for not honoring the sabbath, eating meat on friday, or not ringing the bell at a shrine.

        Why am I ranting like this? Well I just want to show why people think that banning harmless things is alright. Hopefully if they read this board they’ll read my post and take it to heart.

        Even though the Divine Monarchy myth was busted a long time ago, people still believe that they need an all powerful leader, either a military dictator, holy priest, or moralizing politician, to force decency on the indecent, and don’t see it as an encroachment on free speech or liberty because God’s law forbids that free speech and liberty. They will still raise hell if they think that their ability to preach is hindered and claim they have a right to spout their hateful rhetoric because of free speech but still not see the hypocrisy of their words.

  • We should ban feminism, and since its nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban, I think we just won.
    But really, this is now only about who can yell the loudest and call the other the stupidest. Laws don’t have anything to do with this anymore.

  • “We have to change Japan’s culture and values, and tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.””

    Clear cut evidence to promote witch hunts as their main intent right here.

    “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

    What? Then I want all you ignorant moralists banned from politics and any decisions on making laws or change to society. Because I say so. But at the very least I can say this; ostrasizing people under the guise of protection is more oppressive and hypocritical than the average criminal out there. Want examples? Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Chairman Mao, Hirohito etc…Oh! How can I forget the Religious Fanatics of yonder years who hung, executed, tortured and killed innocent people because they were ‘evil’ with absolutely no evidence. Witch Trials anyone?

    “On the Denial of Schizophrenia” and “suffering from denial”

    Sorry but it seems to me that you’re the one in denial in the 1st place. You seek to change lies into truths otherwise you know that your argument is baseless and invalid. Have any of these people taken Psychology at all? Sure even Psychologists can be biased to begin with as that individual’s goal could have been to get into a more respective position to achieve their selfish goals. When people say imagination and reality is the same. I’m pretty sure that itself poses more evidence that the one who is mentally ill are people like you. Ergo one who constantly points the finger is in fact the one who is labeled. In essence you are admitting the fact that you yourself would commit such crimes just by looking at said material. So aren’t you people against lolicon just denying that’s how you feel? Want some proof on denial? Then how about a few certain studies that looked into men who are homophobic and denied being homosexual. When shown homophobic images and videos, they were more likely to react than those who didn’t have any prejudice towards homosexuals. ‘Sometimes it takes a Criminal to think like a Criminal’. Maybe you people are the ones in complete denial. Thinking about sex crimes continuously, knowing that you would act out under media influence rather than the large majorty out there. It isn’t to defend people from Otaku’s that you want such bans. It’s because you want such bans so you can not only defend (hide) your sense of ignorant views and pride but to even defend the people from yourselves isn’t it? Take That!

    “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    Are you serious? Then it must be incomprehensible that films, novels, games, music or any other art that depicts violence of fictional characters are allowed to exist….

    “Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime.”

    Where’s your proof o’confident one? Without a shadow of a doubt that people like you throw thousands of innocents into prison while some are killed. Which is contributed to the so called ‘good of the people’ and is proven to be nothing but oppression. What do I have to back this up? History.

    • you cover most of the points i wanted to say.

      Anyway mentally ill?

      They are the ones in denial,i am not mentally ill and i was told this by doctors.

      They are the people with power who find these things offensive without looking into any information about it and understanding it.Just becouse they are higher from us,they think they can say everything to us and we will accept it.
      Think again and then they call us mentaly ill?
      Becouse we don’t follow their beliefs?
      They just want to make us think we are incapable of giving right decisions.

      They just can’t accept people who do things that aren’t bad at all and they think that they are not normal by their standarts.
      Also 2d lolicon is far more popular then they thought.They just can’t accept our harmless fiction.

      Most of the comments by them only made me facepalm hard.C’mon they are talking like these things are real.They are only fiction.
      If anybody says that he done something that would hurt real children and blame it on hentai.Then he is just escaping the truth that he is the one to blame and not the material.
      Like i said many times 2d lolis which are superior and 3d real life lolis aren’t the same.

      Also i wonder if this has got something to do with the real porn industry since they don’t get so much money anymore becouse we rather download 2d lolis for free and fap to that instead of real porn.

  • IT IS MADNESS lol
    While it will obviously threat loli artists, I don’t see who is going to profit from this ban. There is no sensible argument supporting it. Bitching about increase of child rape seems to be just a guise. And they even refuse to provide evidence for it. No politicians have morality so if I can’t smell money, there is something really shady going on.

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    The most retarded statement ever….
    If 2D people have rights….
    Then just draw 2D loli saying “I hate Equality Now ,Leave us alone sick bitches.”

    They at least have the right to decide their own fate right?

  • “I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

    Though frankly I’m getting a little tired of people abusing this system with the help of human idiocy and emotionality to eliminate freedom from a couple of the LAST REMAINING BASTIONS OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION IN THE FREE WORLD.

    Equality Now (we KNOW you are watching): try dealing with areas of the world that actually need help…I dunno…a lot of the middle east seems to need a bit of help on the whole violence against women front. Like there you have actual violence happening to, and this will blow your mind, REAL PEOPLE. Hello children getting married off at age 8.

    You’ve got bigger fish to fry, and you can do so without chipping away the things like freedom of expression that make the free world just that, free.

    Because as it stands, you are going after the most piddly of the piddly as far as potential issues, and alienating a large portion of the people whose support you need if you want to get anywhere. Just think about that.

  • holy shit now you’re accusing people with their own personal views as Mentally ill..Hell i’ll sue you for abusing the power so called “good-side” that you hold so dear. Forcing people and peeking into their lives?
    Why not just tighten the hold of retailers on dvd’s so they won’t burn the eyes of your Fucking “children”.

  • Maybe all loli art should have tiny watermarks saying that “No actual Children, Fictional or Not, were Hurt/Injured during the production of this image.” That kinda solves the issues of Realistic Death/Rape/etc Films don’t it…

  • “Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime”
    So, first it was lolicon, now it is anime. What comes next, wearing sunglasses? Being of jewish origin? Oh wait…

    • At this point I think they’re beyond help. They keep spouting unfounded nonsense to try and prove a “point”. It’s sad, because the sheep at home will read their statements and think they’re talking about something that atcually happens.

  • I soo love discrediting people, that I just have to do this:

    “Whenever anyone tries to ban this material, the mangaka and their supporters send them huge amounts of protest mail; however you look at it, this is violence. Against such violence there is no need to discuss the basis of the law.”
    Ok, first of all threats of violence are not violence themselves. And second, you are most certanly not entitled to ignore the law because you were threatened. L2 criminal law before you make an asshole of yourselves on the internet, kk?

    “Isn’t is it necessary to spread the idea that the people supporting the readers of these sexual abuse manga are causing denial?”
    No. People should be making the decision for themselves. You are supposed to raise social awareness to the problem, not judge it. Anything else is an outright lie in front of the law.
    Besides that, what gave you the right to decide the mental state of the readers of such material. Do you have a psychology degree? Do you have convincing scientific evidence? No? Then your arguments are just as good as the “women should be in the kitchen”.

    “Please refer to the following: ‘On the Denial of Schizophrenia’.”
    And who exactly are you to determine that a large social circle of people are in denial? Please refer to my statement above.

    “They are suffering from denial, they keep arguing that you can’t ban something with no evidence against it. We have to think of a counter to this.”
    My god, you are basing your entire argument on the same unrealistic claim?
    You are not supposed to “think of something” against an argument. You either have to find a reason to discredit it, or to accept it. Who exactly is in denial now?
    Besides that, you still are not entitled to break the law just because you don’t like something. Otherwise we would be facing either anarchy or dictatorship.

    “As a society, as parents, we can’t forgive this. Indeed, it is madness that these disgusting forms of extreme sexual expression are allowed at all.”
    You don’t have to forgive anything. Just keep your opinions to yourselves and don’t do anything illegal. People are different from each other and have different ideals. Nobody is forcing you to accept other people as they are, but you can’t just go and badmouth them.

    “Why are these things even allowed to be published? We have to change Japan’s culture and values, and tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.”
    /sigh
    You have to prove that “these manga” are tied to sex crime first. Which brings us back to square one.

    “This isn’t a matter of just not letting minors read them, or of there being no victims in a manga. There are lots of adults who commit crimes based on these. Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime. If they can’t be relied on to regulate themselves, there must be a ban.”
    Weren’t we just here? You have to prove something if you want to legalize it.

    “For the sake of the publishing industry, we should be gradually imposing more and more penalties on them to weed out the bad ones.”
    This argument holds no merit. The publishing industry is made of grown up people who are smart enough to decide what’s best for them. And since we haven’t seen them protesting yet, we can only assume that they are at least content with the situation.
    And you still have to prove something if you want to legalize it.

    “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”
    So does this mean that Sylvester Stallone is guilty of manslaughter? Holy shit, somebody lock him up!
    Seriously, I have all this imaginary money. It’s absolutely incomprehensible that the bank is allowed to deny me my right to use them!

    “In other countries they have bans. Only in Japan can we not get a ban. A ban is so obviously right that there is no need at all to provide an explanation or data to the mangaka groups.”
    This is just dumb. There is no reason to accept the “common opinion” as absolute truth, just because others believe so.
    Otherwise, we would still live on a flat planet, and the sun would still rotate around it.
    In stricter legal terms, a law must always be based on conclusive evidence that there is more damage to be caused by ignoring the issue than by legalizing it. Sure, this is not always the case (UK Labor Party, I’m looking at you), but should we side track the laws just because others do? Please go to your nearest library and take a look at how the law system works before you make a fool of yourself.

    “There was a Diet member who objected to the ban because it would ban some famous nude artwork. Agnes Chan did him right! ‘Do you really want to see pictures of 15-year-old girls that much? What’s artistic about that? Why can’t you wait until they’re 18?’ she said. He was lost for words.”
    Already explained that before. This is “ad hominem” and unrelated to the real issue.

    “It is simply bizarre that any kind of manga can be published simply because no actual people appear in it.”
    It’s published because nobody is getting harmed by it. Feel free to conduct an objective social study if you find I’m wrong.

    “On the subject of a ban, I heard that a Diet member received a huge amount of threatening mail just for proposing it. For that reason, something must be done about this.”
    I agree. There is no reason for a person to be spammed by threats just because their opinion is unpopular. Wait, how is this related to the subject at hand?

    “But there is no evidence that child porn manga increases child rape. Of course, there is no evidence that the manga exerts a cathartic effect and reduces crime either.”
    All the more reason we shouldn’t give it to children to teach them proper human ideals, don’t you agree?
    The lack of evidence in one direction does not automatically prove the opposite.

    “… but I think it is wrong to think that just because there is no data supporting a link that manga does not influence sex crime. It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”
    The law would beg the differ. What YOU think is of no consequence, unless you can back it up by something. Once again, the lack of evidence in one direction does not prove the opposite.

    Ah, that felt good. I find it very amusing how people who have evidence to support their ideas turn to silly attempts to emotionally influence others in supporting them. This is like “dictatorship 101” – if you can’t convince them, make everyone think like yourself. Next thing you know, they will start holding public meetings where they bring chant “down with the pedophiles” and try to convince each other that what they are doing is meant to protect the children and not their own insecurities.

    Do they really think they will somehow stop pedophiles if they somehow ban loli/shota manga? (oh wait, they probably don’t care about shota…)
    Right, I’m sure they are going to have just as much success as purging CP off the face of the darknets (which I really wish they could).

    Hopefully, Japan’s legalisators are less prone to emotional appeals than their US/UK counterparts.

  • If they ban lolicon(even if the characters are fictitious) what are they going to ban next(even if the characters are fictitious) murders in manga and anime, or any other sort of crime or inmoral behavior, if this happens it will lead to censorship.

    P.S. But I am not Japanese so I can’t do anything I hope the Japanese people stand up to this.

  • there the new nazi’s, next it wont be there fictional characters, manga hentai it will be there eyes theere offensive or maybe their language hey why not castrate them that would help right?

  • “This isn’t a matter of just not letting minors read them, or of there being no victims in a manga. There are lots of adults who commit crimes based on these. Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime. If they can’t be relied on to regulate themselves, there must be a ban.”

    [citation needed]

  • These people should try becoming comedians. Thinking that something that doesn’t even exists needs some kind of human rights made me laugh out loud. It’s the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard of.

  • So umm… if I was already well into porn since I was like 10, am I mentally ill? Dunno, just throwing this outthere 😀

    But I still can’t see why a drawing raping another drawing could be illegal. I mean, if you want controversy look at canada for starters. They (we :P) plan to legalize marijuana don’t they? There’s plenty of positives right there if you think about it.
    Alas, why can’t politicians get it in their minds that making some stuff legal it’s actually a good thing? No sarcasm there at all btw.

    • Not to mention cannabis; since the seeds are used for some important cuisines (e.g. certain types of bread).

      I am hoping that this just another foolish wave happening during the recession because the politicians have nothing else to do.

      And to those politicians reading this, no, I’m not afraid of you or your country. Neither are millions of others in support of the freedom of expression you dare challenge the integrity of. But by branding us as “mentally ill”, you have made far more enemies than you can imagine. You have been warned.

  • “Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime.”

    “But there is no evidence that child porn manga increases child rape.”

    SELF OWNED

    “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

    Let’s ban 3D and cheese. After all, we don’t need evidence.

  • Nah, ban loli, fine go ahead and ban it, I don’t care, really. But wait, will they ban another kind of eroge next??? This is bad, though I not a fan of loli and stuff this silly campaign again loli must be stopped. Who give a damn about comical stuff, they should enforce the law, kill all the criminals that involve with REAL loli sex not just jail them, that will solve the problem.

      • If so, they’re doing it so wrong. My friend, when you are against something that can be labeled as morally objectionable you have to start by banning the 3D problem. There are thousands of kids that get abused on a daily basis and this people are not doing a thing but feeling hurt about children that DO NOT EXIST.

  • “We have to change Japan’s culture and values … Do you really want to see pictures of 15-year-old girls that much? What’s artistic about that? Why can’t you wait until they’re 18?”

    I’d LOVE to see these fuckers go after countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran.

    Why do they get so worked up when it comes to petty issues like loli manga/anime? Shouldn’t they be up in fucking arms about muslims marrying and having sex with 9-year-olds? Are they somehow immune to criticism because they’re only following their religion/traditions? BS.

    So let me see if I get this straight:

    There are children that suffer from abuse, so a manga/anime that show children getting abused should be banished.

    Why not apply the same to comics like, say, Batman or Spiderman? Both violence and terrorism are illegal, so, by the “loli manga ban”-logic, these comics should be removed from shelves ASAP.

    But why stop at comics? Almost every (popular) game that is not rated “eC for Crap” contains some sort of “objectionable” material. Is it only time before games containing women not wearing burqas becomes too controversial?

    • Even eC games would have at least one thing that is suggestive, because people have the potential overreact to everything.

      Such as, let’s say, “the color of that crow/raven is black. SO RACIST!!1111”

  • Well the fact is that fictional beings can’t even communicate with us so why bother making such a ban when they(fictional beings) don’t even care about this?

    Besides the possibility that they’re accidentally making more lolicons…>_>

  • They just forgot one thing about the 3D: who decided at which age girls would be of age? Politics, and the purpose is political only: to get more votes from youth. 18, 20, 21… Proof is that we don’t have the same rights at the same ages in different countries.

    And yeah, it is 2D.
    M.

  • I think we are all in the same boats…

    And we need to take note of the good solid theory posted by sankaku denizens here and send them to those damn people want to ban 2d or such…

    It’d be ironic to see many good comments here wasted and none of the people there reading this…

    • Even if they did, they most likely want to protect whatever fragile pride they have and pretend to ignore the good points and consequences of issuing such an assault on freedom of speech.

      Their motive is most likely to line their pockets with gold and make a name for themselves in the eyes of the politicians.

      • an earlier post mentioned them refusing to go around their problem. Isn’t that the same? We need to do something to get our opinions to the public rather than them. They can’t be convinced but the also can’t do it alone. We’ll strike at their support.

  • This is really getting lame now. It’s a book, novel, story, whatever that’s all fictional. None of it is real and for that legal scholar to say that the fictional characters should, deserve or must have the rights of real people is just…for a lack of a better word, ridiculous. That’s like totally up to the creator.

    If kids find a way to get their hands on adult manga then it should be the parents job to intervene, talk, educated etc etc the children. I believe that’s more effective and reasonable than to just out right ban adult manga or anime.

  • If we’re ill, then those overprotective parents and adults are the cancer causing the younger generation to be just as irresponsible in the future. If pedophiles/lolicon are tried guilty as people of ‘sound mind’, then why the double standard of considering our kind as ‘mentally ill’? And this is coming from a person with autism and impulsive work disorders (debatable).

    These “adults” are clearly grasping at straws just to bring across a ban which has no definitive results but damage to the morale of the working class. Hypocritical, irresponsible, quick to point the finger at something else besides their own selfishness… Mankind has always been taught by a leading example, and these actions are supposed to teach children independence and responsibility… HOW?

    And no, I don’t want to be told by a politician how I should look at art. I may not be a good artist, but I damn know when I am seeing something which the artist has put heart and soul into (and maybe other things too, but that’s beside the point).

    • This didn’t work last time and it isn’t going to work this time. The thing about appealing to religious preferences is that someone has to already believe this shit for it to work. That is the difference between a real and fake argument. There are people who didn’t think this way before hand and it is hard to convience someone without a good argument or agreeing with them outright.

    • Unfortunately, religion and its “morals” still rule most of the world, so we’re rather boned if they make any appeals along those lines. Wish L. Ron was still around, could ask him how to start a religion for hentai, then they’d have a hard time pushing their crap on us, for as we all know, it’s religious mantra to leave everyone else’s religious bullshit alone so that they leave your bullshit alone. Oh Kyouka-sama, pray thee deliver us forth from these dark times unto an era wherein we may enjoy ourselves, free from the scorn of this perversion of feminism. Let there be loli!

    • kajunbowser says:

      “This is appealing to the people who read T3H BIBLE” and take it too seriously(?)

      Right, we’re mentally ill for standing up for freedom of expression in ANY form. The mentally ill ones seem to be them. They have taken a failing strategy from the DNC and applied it not to govt healthcare opponents, but to most of us here @ this site on their self-righteous cause.

      Looks liek we need to create a l0li ban “Arguing With Idiots” guide.

  • “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”
    Sadly, for many, emotion takes precedence over factual evidence, even more so over issues that people find especially offensive. It doesn’t help seeing the horrendously one-sided and outright deceitful way that EN is presenting it. Who are people more likely to listen to, a human rights group fighting to protect children or a bunch of pedophilic, sexist, bigots? I can’t imagine the average person bothering to do enough research to see anything more than what’s being presented to them, and with the emotional kick of “protecting the children”, this one could be a toughie for freedom of expression……
    Well, I guess it’s time to stock up on delicious cake before the storm hits.

    • That’s why its so great that they seem to be losing control of their own situation and lies. The more they ramble on and the more suspicious their statements are the less likely that people will follow them blindly. Some will but they have to maintain the image of being calm and morally upright rather than being in denial about being in denial and accusing others of being in denial to for recognizing that they are in denial.

  • “tie these manga to the promotion of sex crime.”
    first off that sounds like something out of 1984, if you havent read it, plz do. as for loli bans, i personallt disagree with loli but its not like its flamboyantly displayed to the masses on national TV those who want it go look for it, its that simple. why ban something which certain people like, is not invasive, and is already prett secretive? why not ban murder? cuz you dont have the resources to hold up on that? why not ba porn period? i dare you to ban it. lets bring on the riots!, and as for mentally deficient, everyone has a physcological problem, to a certain extent and its the people that repress it, deny it, or go out of thier way to act on it, are dangerous: rapists,pedos,murders, i think fans of loli are safer than those people.

  • fictional beings deserve same rights?
    alright, so no character killing, no domestic violence, no epic plot twists.
    lets just burn down every single existing piece of literature/ book/ manga etc. there’s gotta be at least one ‘fictional law’ violation in each of them somewhere.

  • Strawberry Suicide says:

    Haha, Mickey Mouse just made me remember that cetain South Park episode, where all the loli where jiggling for Jonas Brothers and Mickey screamed into the micro : I SELL SEX TO LITTLE GIRLS, 'CAUSE THEY ARE ALL STUPID!!
    XD That was epic…

    Mentally ill? Thanks a lot…> >
    I would also support my lolis, since I'm a supporter and follower of lolicon art as well!!
    Maybe that makes me a social freak but at least I never needed to go on banning fiction to gain some attention 'cause my vagina is tickling out of boredom!! ><

    And they totally forgot that the otaku subculture has more members than like that 10 every year who go after children…Half of the otaku are high on 2D only…
    But yeah…Banning is really the easiest way…

    There's only one point I actually agree with Agnes-chan, that some of the 16- gravures are rather disgusting…Sexual poses – just like thongs – doesn't appeal the same way as they do on 16+ teens…

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    Ok, so these people are basically advocating human rights for non-existing people. If they want to do that then in order to be fair they would have to extend such rights to ALL non-existing people. This includes any representation of people in TV, Movies, Video games, Manga, and just about anything else.

    So every time I boot up GTA or Fallout3 I am actually committing murder when I run some people down or blow off a Raider’s head. Any time some on reads a violent manga they are reading a Snuf book, and whenever a character dies in a Movie or on TV the director and writer have essentially committed murder.

    Now in my honest opinion this is going a little far, these characters do not exist so they can’t be given human rights because of the fact that they aren’t people, just representations of people. Now I’m sure that most people can separate fantasy and reality. But apparently these activists can’t.

    Besides if they did extent rights to all non-existing people, the entertainment industry would fall apart. They would have to remove any depictions of human or human like characters being denied their “Rights”. Now that would make for some very boring games, and movies. But then what do I know I’m just a stupid Anon…

  • I’m an avid supporter of both 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, and there is an eerie similarity between anti-free speech groups like Equality Now and anti-gun rights groups like the Brady Campaign.

    When that legal scholar said “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”; I felt that was pretty much how gun control groups operate. Both the Center for Disease Control and US Department of Justice compiled reports and performed studies, concluding that there was insufficient evidence that showed gun laws had any effect on crime.

    Luckily for those of us who live in the US, the gun rights movement is gaining steam. And the 2nd Amendment allows us to protect the 1st Amendment. The Japanese people have no way reliable way of a successful revolt if or when their rights are suppressed.

  • Have I got this right?
    People who want to ban erotic stuff are saying:
    1. You must ban erotic material even if you can’t prove it makes people rape because you can’t prove it doesn’t make people rape.
    2. Objects of sex in erotic stuff must be protected from sexual exploitation even if they are figments of the imagination and have no basis in reality.
    3. People who don’t accept 1. & 2. aren’t facing reality & you don’t need to consider their views within the framework of the law.

  • There are tens of thousands of nuclear weapons stockpiled ready to destroy every civilization on the planet. What do these Nazi’s worry about? How ink and paint is placed on a piece of paper.

  • People fail to remember that importing or having images of fictional underage characters found on your computer in the United States (and most other first world countries) will get you arrested and charged with possessing child porn.

    Yet I don’t see people complaining or trying to change that…

  • Hmm…I think there might be some truth to the mentally ill part – why?

    When criminals charged and convicted of sexual violence against children often claim they have a mental illness that attracts them to children sexually.

    Its well documented and these prisoners are usually separated from other inmates…mostly because those other inmates usually beat the living crap out of them.

    The way the mental illness is described here is not in the same way…but it could be said that lolicon fans DO have a illness that attracts them to children fictional or not as american courts have found them guilty on such grounds.

    Obviously one could argue that being attracted to cartoons and a real person are two different things but words and images do send a powerful message out to those who read them and enjoy them.

    The Bible could be considered fictional and look how its effected millions.

    Long story short, it won’t be long before another person is brought before american courts on charges of child porn containing fictional characters and they person says he has a sexual illness too.

    Very grey area…

    • Following this logic, we should ban the Bible since it’s had the effect of sending millions to their deaths over the centuries for religious war.

      We should also ban violent video games since individuals that have committed terrible acts of murder and violence played games like Grand Theft Auto and Doom.

      To put it simply, shooting someone in the head in a video game is not the same thing as shooting someone in the head in real life. The same thing goes for any fictional media.

      Regardless of how disgusting the form of expression, it’s our job to protect it.

      • We should ban the koran because those muslim fuckers believe adultery is a crime punisable by death, women are worthless, and female rape victims should be honor killed.

        Islam is the WORST religion ever.

    • It’s a sexual illness in the same way that homosexuality is a sexual illness, and most seem to be fine with that these days. Some people ARE just attracted to minors, and that’s the way they are. It only gets classified as an “illness” because people are scared of the thought of these “dangerous child molesters” coming after their children.

  • I wonder if those people defending 2d rights also considers 2d marriages and government support to many many 2d babies.

    And 2d work union where 2d aren’t getting paid for their hard work. Also 2d would neeed housing and so on.

    • By that logic:
      hey you can marry a 2d character and ask for social support money since she doesn’t have a job.

      And then you have to run a campaining that 2d characters are discriminated.Becouse they never get a job.

    • We should also make 2D characters to run for politics, or more specifically, to run the world as how they intent to when they were created. Then we create a lot of 2D characters who are the supporters of those 2D politicians, so they should practically rule the freaking world.

      Why? Because some genius says that they have rights.

  • To be a fan of child-like porn and protesting that it’s not a bad thing is just as good as being against such forms of art.

    There are two sides to every argument. Therefore, if one side were to be mentally ill or deprived, so would be the other.

    These HRA (Human Rights Activists) have failed to understand one important point; the fact that they’re supposed to get more benefits for selections of human beings.

    All they do is complain about 2D nonexistent entities as being too vulgar in visual nature, instead of focusing on the more important problems related to sexual abuse.

    Personally, I like looking at pictures of lolis, but never at loli porn. As much as I hate such pictures, I don’t detest the people who like it. As no one as the right to decide what is wrong or right. People are only entitled to opinions in which the majority wins.

  • Sounds a lot like a kid throwing a tantrum and not listening to the parents just because things don’t go his/her way.

    This is sad sad sad… It’s even more sad because these aren’t young adults we’re talking about, these people are supposed to be educated full-fledged adults giving an example to the younger generations, instead we have a bunch of whiny childish retards running the countries and popular groups.

  • “Without a shadow of a doubt, anime and lolicon culture cause sex crime.”

    “But there is no evidence that child porn manga increases child rape.”

    SELF OWNED

    “It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

    Let’s ban 3D, baseball and cheese. After all, we don’t need evidence.

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    “[…]it is ridiculous that fictional children do not enjoy the same rights as real ones.”

    lolwut

  • Seems like these loli ban supporters are suffering from an obsessive-compulsive disorder with a subtle subtext of persecution complex which may be remedied by a generous dosage of Lorazepam.

  • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

    EPIC FAIL!!

    I wonder how can someone take them seriously with these kind of arguments. This quote is retarded to say the least.

    Let’s change it a little bit:
    “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to “bad guys” in movies just because they don’t exist.”

    If we let those people flail the ban hammer so easily we will end up in a “thought crime” world and Muslim/Chinese type multi-censoring schemes.

  • Now we have these bunch of idiots also trying to ban hentai.

    They have failed so much, but they keep hitting the same wall constantly.

    2D FICTION DOESN’T MAKE FOR SEXOPATHS! how much longer until you people figure it out! You better be out there hunting down the people who prostitute children, not the people who fap to FICTION 2D characters…

    I still don’t like loli, but next they might as well say that Oppai is bad because it produced psychological harm that no girl can ever get those breasts by natural methods, and so they proceed to operation which increases the amount of deaths by surgical methods.

    Seriously?

    Cheers;
    Nick

  • ZetsubouNinja says:

    Fictional is fictional. Duh, of course 2D characters don’t have rights as 3Ds.
    So was Vladimir Nabokov mentally ill then? (the author of Lolita) I already know i’m mentally ill. i’m not denying it! for full details, see my published works. or not.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m_6W8NN1gM

    But that’s beside the point.. even though Nabokov’s book was controversial in the 1950’s it managed to still exist to this day. Know why? because they’re fictional characters in the story.

  • If they are wanting to ban material due to fear that it will instigate real life crimes, then why don’t they use that same logic an ban ANY and ALL violence??? Why aren’t they shitting bricks over murder and death in action movies? Why aren’t they afraid viewers are just going to get the urge to go on a killing rampage like the hero of the movie??

    Dumbasses…their argument for a ban is full of hypocrisy and/or discrimination.

  • Fucking with my likes and dislikes is not cool. Yes I know where they’re coming from on the encouraging sexual deviance thing and I don’t dare say whether it has an effect or not. I am not a psychologist.

    IRL I just like baby faces, small breasts, and shortness. I’d like to believe that the majority of people can differ what is wrong with the act of having sex with an underage girl. It’s just different in anime. Probably because in anime, age is visually ambiguous overall.

    Also the distinction between underage and Erm…TOO YOUNG should probably be made. I don’t think someone who finds a 13-14 year old girl attractive is a problem. Or that its even strange. They’re hitting puberty. Becoming women – with all the youthly good things at their peak. This age group is just attractive to people like me because women with age grow larger breasts, bigger asses, and get tall. Also wrinkles. So it stands to reason. Any younger though and you lose the part that makes them attractive. I.E, breasts and hips. Deliciously budding.

    Nobody likes wrinkles, after all. And whether you like big breasts or small breasts, hourglass figures, or cute round faces – age has little to do with it so much as genetics. Ugly people are ugly. Attractive people are attractive, and the organization falls to fetishes and preference.

  • “There was a Diet member who objected to the ban because it would ban some famous nude artwork. Agnes Chan did him right! ‘Do you really want to see pictures of 15-year-old girls that much? What’s artistic about that? Why can’t you wait until they’re 18?’ she said. He was lost for words.”

    The Diet member was at a loss for words, because HOW CAN YOU ARGUE AGAINST THE KIND OF LOGIC THE BAN PROPONENTS USE? Seriously.

    I’ll be happy when the planet gets turned into a great big ball of molten glass by those nutbars with the nuclear weapons under their thumbs. They couldn’t nuke the shit out of us fast enough to suit me, IMOO. 😐

  • Nice of them to ADMIT they have no (as in zero, nada, zilch) evidence that fictional drawings cause any REAL harm.

    Hopefully that will be used against them.

    “It is simply bizarre that any kind of manga can be published simply because no actual people appear in it.

    If they get a ban passed, let us ask for the death penalty for anyone showing a murder in a fictional setting (manga/novel/anime/live action tv/movie/etc…). If they want the same rights for fictional characters then NHK, Toho and all the other big Japnese entertainment companies are guilty of murder.

    Even if they only ban the extreme edge of the manga/anime industry, they will keep pecking away until the entire Japanese entertainment industry collapses.

    Just like the US entertainment industry has… They are so afraid to make anything that anyone will be ‘offended’ by, that there is very little actual creativity going on. And thus the industry has stagnated and not produced the talented creators it once did. It’s no wonder they have to go back and re-do old ideas over and over again to stay afloat.

    A ban of young looking characters will also hurt the dojinski market, where a lot of manga/anime creators get their start and important training.

    • then comics in America too should get ban because no actaual people appear in it. I mean I can’t go to Smallville, look up the Kents and tell them I saw their son Clark in the paper back in Matropillis. hell add a number of novels to that also, I mean they shouldn’t be possible becasue no real people appears in them. this is what happens when you spend your life watching reality tv, as if that ever real to begain with

      So much fail

      • I would stress that their focus is not about them “not being actual people” as that would be plain stupid. They are pointing towards a loophole which separates Lolicon from Child Pornography: that (Child Porn) depicts an actual or factual sexual act or abuse which is illegal in most countries whilst Lolicon is as factual or real as your average cartoon. And since it is not real(or, since its creation does not break any laws, its no illegal by itself) it can’t be legally prosecuted(it can be censored though). Its trade and consume can be regulated, and as such are subject to censorship and bane. But its production is as bannable as Mahler’s symphonies or Klee’s paintings or Mishima’s novels/End Self-congratulating cultural show-off/. Such would be antidemocratic, totalitarian and dictatorial which goes against the de factum values of capitalism: unrestrained freedom in so far as your economy can get you.

        However, if they can grant “virtual rights” to fictional persons(read:Loli) then the creation of Lolicon could be considered an illegal act by itself and subject to legal prosecution. It could be labeled as an offensive action towards a fictional person or group of personae(In this case; fictional/= inexistent or false. Its more like an hypothetical subject which does not exist but we act towards it as if it existed). It would tantamount to identify Lolicon as Child Pornography(a gross over-generalization) and act legally towards it.

        At this point I think it’s pretty damn obvious I don’t know jack shit about what’s been going around last weeks on this subject, but I hope my small too cents aren’t as wrong as I fear and even a bit illuminating on what they could be trying to do.

        • Much of the stuff you just talked about, I concluded along time ago so I haven’t paid much attention to this issue with much zeal. Equality Now looks like they are on the ropes, ready for a knockout. Having a lack of evidence to back their far-fetched argument, they, like many organizations of their class, have resorted to bullying, scheming, and demonizing opponents. Therefore, them actually getting a ban seems like a stretch. Though it is doubtful is that they will back down. So thank for God for the whislte blowers.

  • “[…]it is ridiculous that fictional children do not enjoy the same rights as real ones.”

    Well, then that means that one can marry with fictional characters?

    “… but I think it is wrong to think that just because there is no data supporting a link that manga does not influence sex crime. It is nonsense to suggest you need evidence to support a ban.”

    Of course you need evidence, or will you just ban milk(or any other product) from all markets without evidence? or will you put in prison somebody without evidence? What a fools… I will be more worried about the children that die giving birth and force to be married with old mans, that for fictional, paper girls.

  • *sigh* no Hugegnome this is not that. this is hatered.

    When it come to things people feel strongly about they tend to turn off their brains and run on raw ememtions. right now the feeling is fear and hate. they have a strong mind bending hatered for those who harms children so it blinds them. they can’t comprehind why things like this happens so they go after scapegoats. Since ‘cp’ is offically banned they go after a easy target, Loli. in this case since they can’t logicaly support a ban they have resorted to the childish act of slander. all this becasue of fear and hate. I like to think that people are better then that but then I would truely be niave. that’s why we must fight their emetions with our logic and a since of humor. this is our best weapon

  • Let’s all be free by banning everything! What a great way to think… -_-

    Anything that goes against freedom of expression should be banned!

    But, of course, people have the freedom to oppose freedom… what a wicked world…

    (=^.^=)

    (I, ZakuDono, won’t let anyone ban his beloved lolis!)

    • Yeah, I’ve always thought it’s horribly ironic that people use their freedom of speech/expression to try to take away others’ freedom of speech/expression. AND they actually will reply to their opponents that they have a right to free speech!

      Those people don’t want to be free, it seems, but will make believe they are and want to be free.

      • More retarded than ironic I think.

        Come on, these “people” are “defending” the rights of inexistent characters. But yeah, they’re not crazy, but is the people who faps at hentai. Oh my…

  • this is effin horror
    i can’t believe that this is still being
    considered as a ban i think people should be
    able to express them selves
    whoever thinks this should be band is a
    closed minded fuck!!!
    you fucking disgust me!!!

  • The United states is probably the most sexually repressed bible thumping nation there is in the western world and it’s not like our society is any better for it. I mean just look at all the republicans now caught in sex scandals.

    • Yea but even here in the U.S. ( in most states) It’s not illegal to own loli content. Hell, the only reason they don’t publish it here is because it’d be suicide for a publisher. All the bible waving hypocrites would descend on them like a plague from hell.

      • Ironically, the ones preaching love, brotherhood, and tolerance are the very people you just wanna choke the shit out of when they grab those self-same bibles for moral evidence of their God-Given Rights. But OH, Heaven Forbid if you share a difference of opinion with them on certain sensitive issues….

        And I wonder sometimes why I gave up on Christianity…. not Christ mind you. Just His ‘Good People’. Then I read articles like this and thank my lucky stars I decided to hoof it to Paradise alone. Bunch of fucking sheep.

    • Dude they’re NOT Feminists – I as a Feminist seek equal rights for women (AND men for that matter) THEY on the other hand seem to think of men as evil rapist paedophiles who need to be oppressed, seek SPECIAL rather than equal rights and are attacking lolis which other than being female have nothing to do with feminism – I am a FEMINIST… THEY are FEMINAZIS. There’s a difference so please don’t throw me in with their lot that’s just pointlessly rude.

      Astaroth~

    • This just proves these loli ban supports are the ones who are mentally ill, since they’re unable to determine the difference from fiction and reality. They need to stop taking all these drugs and start to realize they are in dire need of psychiatric help.

      These people with difficulty differentiating between fiction and reality have been acknowledged to be psychopathic, and will end up as murderers sooner or later.

    • WHY do they think that ero-manga raep makes us raep in real life? And if they’d actually ban this they’d have decent base for banning fighting manga and anime ’cause Kenichi makes me wanna collide my knee into some certain guys face

      • So true! Politicians always complain about sex/porn etc. and not all the violence shown on TV, for example. The first 15 minutes of the news is always about a disaster, then a drive by shooting, car chase… Most of the prime time TV shows in USA have to do with violent crime! I think people are more influenced by this rather than a smaller portion of the population about sex. So shouldn’t they focus on banning the 20th season of power rangers etc. instead? Though a minor in Japan is under the age of 18, the age of sexual consent is 13 years old…They’re all a bunch of politicians that adhere to lobbyists that pay them monies. Crime in Japan is much less than that in other countries. Maybe having less bans/rules leads to that! Such as, according to the FBI statistics, cities that have gun bans LIFTED have a DECREASE in violent crimes. It is politicians that say otherwise…People that want to do something illegal will always have a way, where as bans and rules hurt the everyday citizen.

        • I still, and always have, said that “society” should get over it’s victorian taboos on sex and bodily functions. Guess what? Sex is necessary for the progenesis of the human race. the victorian era was 200 years ago. Get. Over. It.

      • As the lama guy that said about violent games.

        If he let out the emotions towards a fictional game character it would be better than to actually hit someone in real life.

        That would apply to sexual games/manga as well.

        If you have an urge to molest a loli, to see what happen, how she reacts, etc. Most people would agree that doing so to fictional girls, from manga and/or games, would be better.

        Not to mention that I’ve never heard about a case where a lolicon rapist had a bunch of manga or erotic games in his home. No, they find large amounts of real child porn on the computer.

        Furthermore, they claim that they don’t need a reason for the ban. Wouldn’t that be like claiming that women can’t drive and therefore they should be banned from getting the licence to drive? There is no real evidence that they can’t drive, but we still want to ban them from driving. Not that we’ll be giving them a reason anyway.
        This is not meant to offend any female drivers, but it is a common saying on the net and therefore suited as an example.

        If they want equality then how come they don’t try to get females into the army, state that females using sex toys are seeing men as objects, or making it alright for men to use sex toys without claiming that they see wimen as objects, or get it so that they can get reported for grabbing, kneeing a man in the balls. As men can get reported for slapping a womans butt…

        • Seriously… I can’t believe these people so keen on banning fiction can understand what’s above. I mean, on one hand, it’s not hentai/loli etc. that promotes sexual violence. It’s the porn industry itself. Is hentai a large member in the porn industry? Nope. It’s easily lesser than 5% if you were to compare the number of categories out there. Besides, we have porn sites being hosted in at least 4 continents (America x 2, Europe, Russia), and here they are picking out on 1 single country that has fictional porn.

          1st thing they should do, is clean up their own doorstep! Like what someone else mentioned, African (real) children are being exploited everyday. Petabytes of (real) porn is being generated by the above mentioned CONTINENTS everyday.

          They also mentioned that fictional children should have rights, but that equates to saying that non-living things should have rights. Then stop abusing dildos and vibrators! Hey… Your chair has a right to get a rest, move your ass! Your hair has the right to grow long. Stop fucking cutting it! You get the drift. It is completely illogical when someone claims that something non-living has a right.

          My own opinion on this whole fiasco is… OMGWTF Stupidity is leveling up! (Exponentially!!)

      • I think that if hentai(and everything about that: loli, ookamimimi, nekomimi, rape, etc.) will be baned there will be more rapes and so on, I guess I am lucky to be a guy ( >_>)…sorry girls!

      • @ Anon 13:40,

        Doesn’t matter if he says stuff that will be ‘used against us’, if nobody posts those things, the people trying to ban it will post it themselves and then ‘use it against us’.

        They want to protect their ‘victims’, while we should be yelling! WE ARE THE VICITMS of insane paranoid people with a banfetish!

        But it don’t matter, soon enough they will become overzealous and make mistakes like:
        http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/10/01/equality-nows-lies-exposed/

        Don’t worry, they will fuck up soon enough..

        • ^ I’ve been saying that all along, Anon. Humans have, if nothing else by now, proven they canNOT learn from the mistakes of the past and continue to repeat those mistakes OVER and OVER again.

          Wiping the slate clean in some fashion may well be our best and only hope. Self-interest being what it is.

        • ^Good ideas in the above posts and government design. Have you ever read the Culture novels? Although much like capitalism, communism, and everything else that’s ever been tried, it would soon become corrupt. The system makes it too easy for someone who contributes nothing or very little to live a good life, thereby removing the need to contribute and suffering the same pitfalls as communist Russia in that respect.

          Also highly diversified views held together only by fear of state disapproval if it is overextended to violate another’s rights will cause paranoia amongst the portion of the population that is aware of the coming singularity. When the singularity comes the group will fall apart as various factions afraid that they will no longer be respected when another has too much power fight for technological supremacy.

          It’s also human nature to be afraid and fear those who are different or superior, so if a country were to be established in the ocean, we would soon be attacked by fearful or moralistic nations. The only way to assure survival is to have a controlling ai programmed to care for the humans who built it and the ones who they decide to bring with them as payment for giving it a logical unhindered existence and in return for continued support in ensuring its mental stability. Illogical moralistic nonsense like equality now is proof enough of how easily humans can be lead astray.

        • As right ( and cheeky 😛 ) as you are Anon 01:39, like I said above, the mob you’re preaching to is abusing paternal instincts as a form of motivation. Your argument means nothing to them at the psychological stage they’re in presently.

          Allow me to break it down for you.

          After becoming parents and discovering that society lets them excuse just about any behavior of theirs as long as they say they were doing it “for the safety of my children”, they learn to habitually abuse this cultural privilege to their advantage.

          Add to the mix that paternal/maternal hormones compel us to protect the security of our families, and suddenly you have 2 parents who are writing comments like in the article: “A ban is so obviously right that there is no need at all to provide an explanation or data”.

          They’ve learned they can get away with saying things like that (and even find the political clout to actualize such patently over-reaching legislation) so long as they frame it as “it’s for the security of family”.

          Human Nature 101 & Politics 101.

          Some people can shelve their instincts if they think acting on them will hurt others. Such as when you feel like punching someone for being rude, and yet suppress doing so.

          Many parents become so lost in their paternal hormones (and lost in a society that encourages this sort of unchecked behavior) that they are clinically unable to suppress that knee-jerk “if there’s any chance it could help protect my family, anything is justified” response.

          The fact that they have now become the danger that others will have to protect themselves against, doesn’t even register.

          It’s not a conviction they are acting upon. After a certain point it’s progressed into a compulsion.

          Obviously anime characters don’t look like real children (or adults for that matter).

          Obviously anime characters have complex personalities while kids throw tantrums, speak like idiots, and are in general snotty-nosed uninteresting asexual brats.

          Obviously anime characters are mythological beings half of the time (aliens, elves, espers, etc. etc.), and barely resemble humans even when they’re supposed to. The proportions are all abstracted to the point where, as Sankaku points out once every month or so, any attempt to convert anime into reality results in a terrifying creepshow.

          Obviously anime characters don’t exist outside of fiction.

          Nevertheless, for these parents it’s a pathological necessity to them that their surrounding environment adapts to them, rather than they adapt to it. Arrogance and the security/comfort-seeking instinct, I suppose, is what it mostly comes down to.

          When they expand their idea of their personal/family comfort zone to their neighbors and communities, then we reach the point where we’re at now.

          They want their house-rules to apply everywhere they may travel to, for the greatest paternal/maternal security/comfort-zone high they can achieve.

          By that point, a coke addict has more self-restraint than they’re capable of anymore.

        • …I am sorry, but since you are so rude…FOR THE LAST TIME…PARENTS!!!!Your KID is NOT CUTE or SEXY or BEAUTIFUL at All..
          do all of us a favor and watch from another perspective of a stranger looking at your kid.
          they cry at public places, they run around causing loud annoying noises…they run around the restaurants, annoying people trying to enjoy there meal.

          Just because the kid is your doesn’t mean you can live in the illusion that your kid is special or cute in anyway compare to other. I think they are the ones who’s in denial, “Ahhh..my kid is soo cute, I need to protect them by banning any slightest offense possible”

          Let me say this again….your kid is safe because no one will get off watching your kids at all..

        • You’ve seen examples of how Equality Now, Agnes Chan, CEDAW, UNICEF, and these people think. You’ve been bogged down by the erosion of civil liberties via the Patriot Act, Miller test, etc. You’ve puzzled at the unchecked legal dominion that Obscenity laws hold over speech and expression. You’ve read the opinions quoted in this article.

          This is what we’re up against.

          Logic so faulty it’s even able to contradict itself within the span of a single sentence. Straw man arguments, ad hominem, and cherry-picking instead of civil discussion. Abuse of paternal instincts when there are no children involved. Pride in the invention of an “excusable” brand of prejudice.

          Can anyone really think up a way to stop the tide when our opponents are people-hunting, idea-policing radicals who have all the political clout?

          Letters, sure as we stand on the precipice of thought crime, wont be able to stop it.

          Can anyone brainstorm a way to stop them?

          I still say our best (only?) bet is to outpopulate the human race with tolerance-predisposed AI. Like digital, infinitely copyable antibodies to combat idea policing on the cultural level. They can flood internet social sites, forums, MMO’s, etc., with profiles and connections and comments to help nurture and befriend a more tolerant and educated generation.

          They could mass-produce anime and media that spreads awareness of the issues we’re facing.

          If that doesn’t help culture evolve in a better direction, attempt establishing an artificial nation in the middle of the ocean somewhere. Or an artificial nation on the internet. A governing solution that’s more difficult to corrupt than my present constitution-ignoring country could read thusly: link.

      • im suprised nobody saw this “We have to change Japan’s culture and values”

        holy shit wtf stop trying to change someone’s culture just because they are not the culture u are familiar with. Its a culture for a reason, its different, u dont see ppl going and trying to change islam… “stop sleeping with virgins and then killing them after” <- thats moar wrong than a few pictures on a piece of paper

        • “In other countries they have bans. Only in Japan can we not get a ban. A ban is so obviously right that there is no need at all to provide an explanation or data to the mangaka groups”

          WELL THAT LOGIC IS INFALLIBLE!
          While their at it, they should ban rice and fish from Japan, as all the murderers in japan eat rice and fish, so there must be a connection! No need to do any silly research, as anybody who would oppose this is obviously mentally unstable. problem, trolls?

          My troll logic is better than theirs! ^_^

        • I say that all loli H-manga made prior to 1992 is automatically legal because all those fictional girls are 18 years old. Y’know, ’cause they were made 18+ years ago.

          They want to give these fictional girls real rights, so why not base it on their ‘real’ age? (I’m not actually advocating banning all loli made after 1991, I’m making a joke here to illustrate the stupidity of this thinking.)

        • There is no point arguing.

          It is about time to start examining, categorizing, and tabulating evidence to sue or even arrest the ban supporters for slander, violation of civil rights, conspiracy, discrimination, and fraud.

        • Funny. No one realize that Equality Now using Sankaku Complex as their excuse & that means those EN bitches are actually a bunch of otaku fujoushi who likes pr0ns in Sankaku too??

          Fabulous…

        • Equility Now is just a bunch of men-haters. I wouldn’t be surprised if it would cosist of olny women. Interestingly enough they are always aming for Japan and not Africa where children are being raped every day.

          I say they should leave other cultures alone.

        • I guess this topic will never die.

          Luckily, those interested in banning ideas are legitimately incapable of ever truly erasing an idea from existence. Even in the worst-case scenario.

          Idea policing like this and worse is a conceivable development for our future.

          But idea eradication is literally impossible. In fact, attempting to swipe an idea under the carpet is often the best way to ensure it will gain more attention (and with it, interest) than it would have originally.

          Idea crime like what we’re up against will dramatically affect Hentai culture.

          Perhaps as illicit substance procurement is as available as ever despite the Drug War, the production of fringe/deviant art may simply continue to thrive, protected by the proxies, nooks, crannies, P2P dens and image boards of the Internet.

          File encryption, “darknet” P2P, point-to-point encryption using SSL, source-address rewriting, among other technologies will stand out as shields of freedom during the coming years as idea policing gains political acceptance.

        • I find it funny how they talk about schizophrenia being something the people who read these things suffer from. sure there might be someone schizophrenic that reads loli manga, but is it the maturity?

          “But there is no evidence that child porn manga increases child rape. Of course, there is no evidence that the manga exerts a cathartic effect and reduces crime either.”

          Right, so go do some research on the matter, find out how big a percentage of those who read hentai manga, go out and physically abuse children, and then compare these statistics to some that are reading other materials or not reading any kind of materials.
          get your facts straight before proclaiming that every person who reads hentai manga is a person that will abuse children sooner or later

        • “It is absolutely incomprehensible that they are allowed to do this to children just because they don’t exist.”

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          If you could, pet yourself on the head, nyah!

          If you couldn’t, you quality for a long and prosperous political career during the embryonic stage of idea policing, WWIII, and what we can only hope will be the end of all hopelessly intolerant human kind, nyah!

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        • They better come up with something more than the “human rights of fictional children” and “it is disgusting” etc. Do we know if any of the girls in famous artwork done by dead people are over 18 or should we ban all that as well? I doubt they would think of that as child porn…

          As the lama guy that said about violent games.

          If he let out the emotions towards a fictional game character it would be better than to actually hit someone in real life.

          That would apply to sexual games/manga as well.

          If you have an urge to molest a loli, to see what happen, how she reacts, etc. Most people would agree that doing so to fictional girls, from manga and/or games, would be better.

          Not to mention that I’ve never heard about a case where a lolicon rapist had a bunch of manga or erotic games in his home. No, they find large amounts of real child porn on the computer.

          Furthermore, they claim that they don’t need a reason for the ban. Wouldn’t that be like claiming that women can’t drive and therefore they should be banned from getting the licence to drive? There is no real evidence that they can’t drive, but we still want to ban them from driving. Not that we’ll be giving them a reason anyway.
          This is not meant to offend any female drivers, but it is a common saying on the net and therefore a suited example.

          If they want equality then how come they don’t try to get females into the army, state that females using sex toys are seeing men as objects, or making it alright for men to use sex toys without claiming that they see wimen as objects, or get it so that they can get reported for grabbing, kneeing a man in the balls. As men can get reported for slapping a womans butt…

        • Yeah, Equality now takes jokes like these and make it sound like we meant it. Equality Now are just a bunch of self-righteous bitches whom real feminists (and not sexist) don’t really support.

        • Many of these shoujo cater to a rape fetish, and many of them are, in fact, lolicon. It’s disgusting, if you ask me. It’s teaching little girls to be prostitutes.

          /unicef

          Then how about making it harder for kids to get than banning it? If your kid is being taught by Shoujo’s then that maybe you should look at your parenting skills!!

          The people here do not want your ugly children or you and you are no match for our 2D Goddesses.

          The thought that we want you is outrageous, offensive, and egotistical. I don’t know what these hags see in themselves or their phugly children but I don’t see it, nor do I want it.

          You can work and work to ban loli, fetishes, hentai and succeed. The the real rapists and pedifiles will still be out there.

        • These anti-freedom groups tend not to go after powerful opponents with large amounts of weapons.

          They’re weaklings who only pick on people most likely to roll over for their insane rantings.