Tales of Graces Spectacular

"Cuz Final Fantasy graphics are the best"?

Amirite?

At least the gameplay and moves look good and that is what counts in a tales game.

This looks spectacular for a wii game...

Good news for all the cum eaters who pee sitting and happen to have a Wii ;)

You guys no nothing, Final fantasies these days have good graphics and shit story, Tales are a brilliant series, they don't need the graphics because their plots are top notch almost ALWAYS.

To anon at 20:14 that's what counts in all games, not just Tales.
Anon at 21:30 exactly right.

To bad Tales of Games are know for their not so good stories.

"To bad Tales of Games are know for their not so good stories."
You really don't know what you are talking about, aren't you.

To bad Tales of Games are know for their not so good stories.

I can't tell whether that was extreme sarcasm or whether this Anon's brains divided by zero.

Anon is right though, storywise Tales games are only so-so. A lot of melodrama and big settings are not subsitute for a good story.
Tales is built on great (mostly melodramatic) moments and atmosphere, most certainly not the overall story. But then again, melodrama is often mistaken for story.

Having said that, I love the series. Vesperia was only so-so though, so I have no hopes whatsoever when Graces is concerned (who came up with that ridiculous name anyway).

That is like someone calling something a cliche when it is just a trope. Tales has good stories that have a meaningful purpose and characters which fulfill their purpose in the story. Just because something seems over the top, dramatic, or anything(especially when compared to real, normally mellow life) doesn't mean it is bad. The story has a purpose, you should judge how it achieves that purpose.

No, it's just bad. Read a damn book.

The most popular books have been made into horrible games. That's saying something.

^ Speaks truth

Gamecube controller compatiability is apparently confirmed, so you shouldn't need to worry about that.

They need the graphics so they have something pretty and shinny to stare rather than the point.

I tried to find an RPG that doesn't have any of those and arrived at Pokemon.

I'm pretty sure it involved saving the world from Giovanni, at least the ones I played and the main characters wants to get stronger to protect... something!

Storywise, Final Fantasy Tactics blows any other RPG away. And I don't even like the series (meh'd at 7, hated 10, don't care much for 12 and only 9 I would like to play).

-Save the world: nope
-Beat evil empire: nope
-Protagonists/Antagonists had traumatic past: nope
-Good Guys=Bad Guys while Bad Guys=Good Guys: not really, Delita is too complex to just call him a good bad guy or vice versa
-Somone always wants to get stronger for revenge or to protect: nope, not really
-Somone is manipulated: yes, somewhat, but I'ld be dissapointed if that didn't happen in a very political plot
-Betrayals: not so much, more a trust no-one feel.

And even the clichéd themes it handles so well, I love that game.

needs moar mindfuck?

Two words: PLANESCAPE TORMENT.

ahhh the good old days of super mario, one goal: save the princess

1. Because only clones and the Chosen Ones have the priviledge of having anything happen to their body. Normal people would not be affected at all by mysterious tendrils of magical light.

2. He. Is. A part. Of the party members. Reading that tall declaration of "having lots of original ideas", I really wish you could at least comprehend the concept of having ideologies clash even amongst protagonists.

3. I wish you luck.

There will always be people who THINK they can become good story writers, but more often than not they just write crappy fan-fiction.

Get off your ass and go pitch your story to publishers if you think you can do so well and still remain as original as you started out when writing story after story for over 30 years because it's your livelyhood at stake!

Not every writer of non-interactive fiction is a good GAME writer.

Games are not books. They work differently. And the writing must acknowledge that. A lot of the clichés you mention are a nod to the fact that, primarily, the game is interactive and has a certain game system that should be prevailent (in this case, going through dungeons and battling).

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True, but if you flip your argument upside down, even games where the story IS supposed to be the main focus(visual novels come to mind) you still find age-old clichés and cookie cutter characters and plot devices.

In reality, coming up with this massively original plot never happens. If you consider more than games just about ever major plot idea has been tried. That's because when people think "original" they only think of the general scope of the plot. "protagonist is a villain but not really." every read paradise lost? What's original is the little details and how the execute the plot. A cliche has to be boring or poorly used. If it is good or atleast ok and is still interesting it is not a cliche, it's called a trope.

THERE ARE NO ORIGINAL IDEAS ANYMORE.

Unless someone adds another concept of life to "metaphor" into a game, then there will be no original stories. People fail to see how it's not just about the stories itself but the characters also relating the story. It's a mix of several other characters fan-fic writers never seem to understand.