“Anime, Manga & Games are Killing Japan”

2D vs 3D: Dread Reality

A BBC journalist opining on why Japan is a doomed nation has suggested that Japanese men who retreat from the real world into anime and game fantasies are the reason the nation faces a demographic death spiral.

His screed runs along these lines:

Imagine a country that knows it is shrinking. A country that knows it is ageing more rapidly than any other major industrialised nation on earth. Which has the highest proportion in the world of people over the age of 65, and the lowest ratio of under 15s. That country is Japan.

As I reported on Wednesday, on current trends, the population of Japan will have halved by the end of the century.

It is, literally, a country that is slowly dying.

According to one United Nations estimate, it’ll need to import 17 million foreign workers over the next 40 years, just to keep its economy afloat and provide enough carers to look after the elderly. (By 2050, there will be more than a million Japanese over the age of 100.)

I’m no social psychologist, so I wouldn’t dare to come up with an explanation for why Japanese couples aren’t having enough babies.

But one theory is that Japanese women are increasingly reluctant to marry, because they think Japanese men have shown themselves unable to adapt to the needs of a new, more flexible society – and have retreated into a fantasy world of comics, video games and animated pornography where they feel less threatened.

Of course, anyone capable of actually reading what the Japanese are saying and not merely what people are saying about the Japanese might come to very different conclusions about the causes of the schism between the sexes in Japan.

2ch’s commentary provides the usual scathing insights:

“If everyone retreats into a fantasy of games and anime a new era of peace will dawn.”

“If reality was so appealing all that manga would soon end up in the bin.”

“’Japanese women are increasingly reluctant to marry… Because men have retreated into anime and games’

Don’t you mean men have retreated into anime and games because they don’t want to marry these women?”

“What would happen if we had even more people in such a cramped country, with no natural resources?”

“Love Plus is reality.”

“But real women won’t marry you if your income is less than $100,000 a year?”

“Manga and games are part of reality too.”

“Basically this is all the fault of men isn’t it?”

“This is just another trick by the ones who want to have eroge banned.”

“And for some reason being engrossed in films, novels and soap operas is OK?”

“Anime and manga can do this? We should export them to enemy countries…”

“This guy is just like the ones who think there are still samurai in Japan…”

“How can anyone in their thirties with an income of $35,000 ever get married?”

“They are desperate to ignore what is going on in the UK, so they fixate on other countries…”

“There is no way anime or games have anything to do with low birth rates.”

“After struggling with reality I gave in and got Love Plus.”

“What about all the single men who have no interest in anime?”

“The problem is onanism feels so good.”

“As expected of the world’s most declined developed country, Britain…”

“I wonder if blaming everything on Japanese men will really help solve the problem?”

“I don’t know about the UK, but in Japan the social and economic hurdles to getting married have increased enormously in the past 20 years.”

“There’s no way a guy spending $600 on the DVDs of a single anime series can afford marriage.”

“The charms of women are all but gone. You can do the laundry at the press of a button and get dinner 24/7 at a conbini. If the need for cleaning disappears there’ll be no need to nurture the world’s most haughty money grubbing parasite at all.”

“Probably the real reason is that a lot of guys now realise that once married your life is over.”

“There are only a few tens of thousands of otaku like this at worst. Just look at the sales figures for eroge or anime and you can tell in an instant.”

“The guy probably never even visited Japan, it looks like the kind of article a middle schooler could write using Wikipedia.”

“This is probably just due to low incomes, otaku are a tiny minority.”

(Quoting a column in the Nikkei BP:)

Why can’t young men wed anymore? I think it is because men can no longer say to women, ‘I can always protect you,’ in this dog-eat-dog world of restructurings and layoffs – such words are now unreal.

Women as a result now target two groups of men: “ikemen” (handsome, cool men), and rich men, the so-called ‘Hills tribe’ (referring to the ultra-prestigious Roppongi Hills residential tower).

But most men have neither money nor good looks, and as a result women will no longer consider them. Surprisingly, I’ve heard of cases where a chosen man will end up dating dozens or hundreds of women.

Since the ikemen and the rich monopolise the women, all that remains is a sterile desert, where normal men can no longer find a partner, so they flee to Akihabara and find love in the arms of an anime character.”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    21:07 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think it's due to the women having unrealistic standards and not men preferring anime. Men are just forced to cope with the situation by relying on fantasy. Most men would gladly give up anime for a real woman.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:03 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think you mean women have realistic but very high standards. It's otaku who have unrealistic standards, quite literally.

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    Comment by giascle
    22:31 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone has high standards. Women want perfect men, normal men can't get women, men turn to their perfect waifus. Real women can't compare anymore.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:45 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    heck yeah agree bro...

    you're damn right...

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:51 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^FTW!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:48 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    QFT

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:25 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why is it always a mans fault. it seems like everywhere it is the male that is at fault. Do I sense the development of a sexist society?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:34 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Society was already sexist. The reason women (especially Japanese women) have such high standards is because they're still repressed in their society. They can't get high paying jobs to support themselves, AND with new technology they have a lot of free time.

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    Comment by Ken
    00:42 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Welcome BACK to reality!!
    That's the 90% of the girls in Japan, the Idols you saw before are the rare 10% of the girls there...

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    Comment by Table-wanna-be
    01:13 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Akira Takizawa should gather all the otakus and send them away for a while to an unknown land. Then they'll all come back naked and tanned. :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:20 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That is the best comment I've ever seen on this site :3

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Or gather all the young women and send them to Islamic countries for a year, so they'll appreciate men of modern society more.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    bet a little gay too

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:29 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Women are the parasite of modern society. They can't handle a freedom that they din't gain. The freedom of women was a mistake of occidental society; a gift, not the result of a struggle given to people who show the can handle with responsability.

    Comment by Busy
    05:48 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually woman still don't have freedom or they wouldn't need a rich men to be abel to afford childs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:49 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can't believe there are movements like EN to support women's rights when society is already so centered around women. I wonder if men are actually too kind and modest to stand up for their own rights.

    Comment by Busy
    05:56 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually it isn't or japanese woman wouldn't earn in the most jobs only ~1800$ a month.

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    Comment by soup
    06:10 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Women earn less than men because of the different hours they work, the subjects they choose and qualifications they achieve, and the different careers they aim for..
    of course women still earn a little bit less than men after taking all that into account, but there has been quite a lot of research implying that women just don't negotiate as much as men about their wages..

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    Comment by Fonzer
    06:16 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol talking about freedom,it's not like men or anyone has it.

    The only real freedom would be if you could just go into some jungle or forest,hunt animals there without being bother by some animals rights activist,grow food and all the shit you want,make your own house there,can cut down any tree you want.Without ever anyone bothering what ever you do at your place.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:39 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Life for women is easier than for a man. A woman can find a job within days while men have to struggle for months. When men are contracted they look for someone who can handle responsibility and can be accounted for its mistakes. Women on the other side are decorative shits who comforts with low wages as long as they have the least responsibility they can.

    If women were capable of handling the responsibility of males without criying like the little bitches they are, they will begin to earn a little respect. For the meanwhile, they are no more than parasites and greedy bitches.

    I thinks its just the right time to establish an pro man/ anti women movement, because human society will not survive with almost half of population (the females) thinking than the old PORSTITUES of Sex in the City are a role model.

    Comment by Busy
    06:50 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not really, it is way harder for woman to find a job that pays enaugh that you can survive.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:41 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not getting enought money? Then go to do blowjobs, men don't even have that option.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:01 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Man, I love how much fallacy logic can come from the mouth of anonymous.

    "If two people are working similar jobs and they are of different genders, then there has to be some kind of gender related issue in all this!" (Their personal qualifications and abilities aside)

    "If a woman has the opportunity to get a job that a man can not, then it's obvious that men have less job opportunities than women!" (Regardless of the male-dominated spheres)

    "Some backwater 3rd world countries treat their women very poorly. Therefore we should send all of our women there to teach them that our society is the pinnacle of emancipation!" (Because in mathematics, any subset that contains more than another subset is considered infinite i.e. if 2>1 => 2=infinity!)

    And my favorite, invented by our dear feminist friends:
    "If women statistically earn less than men, then there is obviously a social bias against woman that is enforced by the men-pigs!" (Because we all know men and women are 100% identical in both physical and legal terms.)

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    Comment by Tex_Arcana
    10:41 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    On the plus side, gender equality will take a huge stride forward when it's revealed we're all total douchebags, regardless of gender.

    Nontheless, It's nice to see someone taking on the bullshit from both corners.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:46 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    onanism is to blame but why blame something so good? and the answer is you dont.... so just blame otakus yes!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:47 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    my thought on this is:
    1)women only like men who can make them get off.
    2)woman has to much high standards.
    3)women never gets the right man, so, all the good fellers have to retreat to their bed room to fap it out.
    (Hey don't lie , I does it 2)0_0

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:43 02/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    @k

    90%

    lol

    looks like u havent been to japan

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:09 08/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Generally speaking, women in Asia are much more repressed than in the West.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:58 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Utter bullshit. In the end, it's the women who decide whether to have a kid or not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:03 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, they do not, and that's another theory that no one wants to hear : since Japanese always carry cellphones in their pocket, the birthrate of girls is far more superior to the one of boys.
    Genetics is also at work, people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Unless you can cite a source that supports the 'cellphones in pocket leads to having female offspring' hypothesis, I will call this bullshit.

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    Comment by Fonzer
    02:22 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    cats can lead to more male births nya.
    Can post proof if somebody wants.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:30 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    annon 00:42

    go kill yourself now and get the fuck out of our gene pool

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:32 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I meant anon 00:03

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:31 07/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Too late 04:32. Now its time to pay.

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    Comment by reckless
    23:32 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "normal men can't get women," Perhaps in your otaku fantasy land but there are millions of "normal men" getting women every day while otaku sit in their cluttered, computer lit room beating off to loli porn complaining women have their standards too high.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:44 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    women i believe have always had high standards. 35k a year is pretty standard here in america and women of all races cling to their breeding mate tighter than super glue on two grains of rice.

    Japanese women have high standards is like saying all black people love chicken. There is a percentage at work here that is quite invisible in the argument.

    If there were more men making a six-figure salary all around the world, this would point to an equally strong economy and a great career choice regardless.

    I mean, come on, what ever happened to accepting people as they are.

    And as far as being lolicon fetished obsessed fat asian men. I mean, COMPLETELY obsessed over everything from figurines to the latest release of voice actor work. This is the society japan has let thrive under there nose. Hell, we let a drunk pot head become president in america...

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    Comment by Kortaku
    04:32 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    A problem of true otaku and hikkikomori is the inability to function properly in society and in social networks. Thus, we get the anime indulged or the reclusive. For these people, the true otaku, or the highly fanatical few, are truly those unable to simply talk and associate freely with women. Due to asian (japanese culture especially), this is a growing trend, as more and more people join and enlarge this group of social misfits, who cannot adapt properly into society and thus thrive with a woman etc. etc.

    Obviously, there are exceptions as there are many fans (not otaku), who delve once and awhile into the anime world, but often lead very normal lives and are able to associate well with the opposite sex. Japan's primary (as well as Korea and other asian states primarily), problem is that this group of "otaku and hikkokomori" is growing ever larger as reality becomes bleaker and bleaker for the average person. Life and society is becoming harder to live in, and for those who could barely interact in society as it was before, are giving up and entering further into reclusion and fanatic interests.

    Yes, women's high expectations are a part of this, but its also many factors that all include, the dimishing importance of family (exemplified by the ages at which people marry now, [heavily getting higher for urban asian cities], which is now getting close to 30 and higher), the fact that the reclusive otaku and hikkokomori group is appealing as it is an escape from the reality of world problems, social life becoming harder to assimilate into, tougher job markets each year, limited 'prestigious' universities, growing sources of entertainment, and so many more factors. All anthropologists are studying these cases in the example of Japan's growing and coming crisis, but it is not a case limited to just Japan; Asia, especially Korea is also on the decline of social networkings, though it is far less severe than that of Japan.

    These are the reasons and explanations that I currently view and take hold of. I am moving closer and closer to the reclusive life myself, though college keeps me going out to classes. To be a true "otaku", means to be very poor because everything I buy is anime/proto culture related.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Your first failure is that you made a comment criticizing the very people who visit here. your second failure, is that you call the standard of $100,000 annual salary "very high standard" in a country where a person in their mid thiries makes $35,000 realistic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:05 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    35k average for a guy, not so great~ But if a male in Japan' average is only that much imagine a woman's. Hence why they're uptight about this crap. Also, you say that these women are unrealistic and some of them are, but I can't imagine a relationship with a 2-D person to be realistic, either.

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    Comment by Kortaku
    04:35 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Relationships with 2D is very simple, its all in the mind, just as the perception of reality is simply the mind analyzing the sensual readings. How sure can you trust your 5 senses? How sure are you of your mind? Noone is completely even sure that this reality is truly reality. Enough, abstractness though, but I'm just saying its easy for many and hard for some and impossible for more, to have a relationship with 2D.

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    Comment by Halconnen
    08:04 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    /chaos head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:29 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If $100,000 was the norm, women would want $200,000. And because people would make more money, prices would increase, and they'd be in the exact same situation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:44 03/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    VERY well said Kortaku!
    Especially your comment on perception (:

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 10/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    BS reality as a whole cannot be doubted or truly trusted. There is no answer, our world/universe/whatever is controlled by the laws of physics and the probability of ignorance+randomness (random only because of our ignorance). We go about our instincts and survive all the while any random event could ultimately destroy us in one moment. Our 5 senses are all we have and any experience is only true if all available senses are being utilized. Now I digress, the social standard is that everyone whats a hassle free life, women are more prone to liking rich handsome men becuz they'll have an easier hassle free life. The same goes for men in that having an attractive woman would result in a female with high self-esteem which over all is naturally attractive in a woman because being turned on by a shy self conscious low esteemed woman would mean that guy has a prowling fetish and has some fucked up view of women (hence attraction to weakness = CREEPER STATUS). People want to be happy and the powerful loud tones of fame and richness and physical attraction is the first thing they see and the first thing they want bcause from their point of view those "perfect" ppl are happy and live hassle free lives. In turn this would be false because people with power, whether it be the opportunity to help or just having money and bill responsibilities, have way more worries than most. Bottom line - no one knows what they want or where the fuck they are in reality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:36 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    "I think you mean women have realistic but very high standards. It's otaku who have unrealistic standards, quite literally."

    + MOTHERFOOKING 1

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:34 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Guys don't have high standards. Most would take anyone who isn't psychotic and isn't obese. When no one satisfies these extremely unselective criteria, there's no point in concerning oneself with real women anymore.

    The women's standards are realistic in the sense that there are people meeting those standards. They are unrealistic in the sense that for all the women possessing a certain standard X, the number of men satisfying X is a tiny fraction of the women wanting X. So you end up with alpha males who can choose pretty much anyone and women taking their turns with them.

    These men then turn away average looking women because they get all the pussy they can handle. Then women bitch that men's standards are too high because they can't get these alpha males. If someone has managed to find a partner, then his/her standard is realistic pretty much by definition.

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    Comment by Chris
    12:20 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    THIS is where all the "Where have all the good men gone?" bullshit is coming from.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:17 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    You deserve a medal, comrade!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:57 02/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    AGREE god like

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    Comment by SenseiSyaoranLi
    22:41 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I see much anime, and have many games by DS and PC, but even so that does not leave to me of the reality, for me, the manga, the anime and the games are only part of my entertainment after tired work and studies that I have.

    I do not abuse not lose the control of my entertainment!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:43 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lowest ratio of people under 15?! C;mon guys, don't you wanna save the lolis?! (Even if they are 3D...)

    Comment by Schrobby
    23:56 30/09/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think it's due to the women having unrealistic standards and not men preferring anime. Men are just forced to cope with the situation by relying on fantasy.

    Exactly.

    Most men would gladly give up anime for a real woman.

    No way!

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:47 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Women in Japan have 'unrealistic' standards because society forces them to be that way. They can't support themselves financially and they're under pressure to stay as pretty and as in shape as anime/game girls (which is usually physically impossible). Beauty = money. I have no problem with otaku holing up in their rooms and playing porn games with 2-d girlies, but don't make it seem like all women are whining and complaining about them without a reason.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:21 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    What I know about Japanese society suggests that many Japanese women marry for money and because it is expected of them, not because of love.
    I guess social Darwinism is going to kick in.

    Comment by Busy
    01:24 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually without much money a marriage is not possible since it coasts lots and lots of it.

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    Comment by soup
    03:08 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    in the end.. it's all due to ego..

    As some dude once said - 'Shyness has a strange element of narcissism, a belief that how we look, how we perform, is truly important to other people.' - same with paranoia..

    A woman chooses to spend large amounts of money on clothes, cosmetics, jewelery, and other blah blah not because society forces them, it is because they are paranoid and want to compete with other women, their own ego is the driving force for them..

    not that there is anything wrong with that..

    I just want to try and troll some women..

    anyway..

    'Only a woman who is capable of selflessness should be allowed to become a mother..'

    I personally think it's a good thing that women like that aren't getting married or attempting to have kids..

    in the end a child born to a selfish parent will inevitably have problems and when it is their turn to have children they themselves will become selfish.. cycle repeats..

    nevertheless.. it's all irrelevant..

    the only real way of solving Japan's population problem is with mass immigration..

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:31 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Doesn't exactly cost a lot of money if the marriage isn't done inside a church or something. Once you have a spouse, you get benefits... not to mention, you can share the household bills and such.

    So really, I'd say that marriage could be quite cheaper. You just have to find the right sort of person to half-and-half things with.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:44 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not if you mary with an asian cow who doesn't want to do shit.

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    Comment by Chris
    12:22 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Marriage doesn't cost a lot of money - in fact, it should be saving people money, just like living with a room mate saves you money.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:40 02/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    'the only real way of solving Japan's population problem is with mass immigration..'

    Japanese people can't accept immigrants. Japanese people would rather have robots than Philippinos. Japanese people would rather get rid of Brazilians of Japanese ancestry than preserve the once-Japanese genes.

    Look for robots.

    And then Rei Ayanami clones.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:07 05/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd take 2 or 3 of those "Rei Ayanami clones." xD... now seriously...

    Me myself have very high standards, but i think of them just as a protection for how i spend my time, erh... i study electronic engineering and I value every second i have, so i can't go spending it somewhere with someone that isn't a clearly thinking-self commited intelligent person...

    @And for the ppl who said most of anime lovers would give anime for a real woman: it's kind of abvious you aren't one of them (of us, xD), if the woman is worth our time she has to be able to accept us how we are, our likes and dislikes, and as long as there's a balance there should be no problems.

    LOL, and if the girl doesn't like anime (and alike) just look for the right ones to watch beside her, did that with my last girlfriend and now the likes even naruto and other types not just mahou shoujo, =P xD...

    sore da!

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    Comment by First Posting Idiot
    05:48 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The solution is an onslaught of well made Anime and Manga glorifying parenthood. Also, tell the women to lower their financial standards in a partner.

    The country should also promote friendship between the men and women.

    http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/09/29/25-think-friendship-between-men-women-impossible/

    As friendships get closer, they'll be more "accidental" pregnancies. They'll get married due to this(see my first solution)

    Or..... do the opposite of what China does and pay people for multiple children.(tax increases)

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:11 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg&feature=channel_page [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg&feature=channel_page]

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:12 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I have to go save japan!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:09 01/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    nope i won't even give up 2D for 3D pigs retard anon













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